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Green vegetable free?

Commented on September 22, 2014
Created September 19, 2014 at 3:49 PM

I hate vegetables.  All of them.  No matter how I prepare or cook them.  Perhaps I'm missing something but I don't see any reason, nutritionally, why I wouldn't be fine just eating meat, fish, bone broth, tubers, fruit, berries, nuts, and seeds.  Maybe occasionally something green and leafy, a lettuce salad base perhaps as it's tasteless, but that's it.  Thoughts?

 

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A141571ee2453db572c9d3222657bf6b

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on September 22, 2014
at 02:55 PM

Yet relevant. And while homo sapien sapien is a relative newcomer to the north, neanderthal was not, and their diet is also highly indicative of the available and consumed foods.

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on September 22, 2014
at 02:02 PM

African stool samples? Northern Europe is a tiny late subgenre of the paleolithic. People ate what they had to in an inhospitable place. Inclusivist not exclusionist diet. 

A141571ee2453db572c9d3222657bf6b

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on September 22, 2014
at 12:25 PM

Yet stool samples suggest they were not a significant if any portion of the diet. And you know what bacon is? Pig and salt. Your animosity is curious but misguided.

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on September 22, 2014
at 12:12 PM

? You'd eat the beet and skip the greens? Cruciferous greens like cabbage grow quite well up north, thank you. Fry them with your Neolithic bacon.

A141571ee2453db572c9d3222657bf6b

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on September 20, 2014
at 01:55 PM

Your knee jerk reaction is blinding you to the substance of my question.  Alas, northern European Grok had virtually no green vegetables in his diet which consisted of the foods listed.  Nevermind the primarily carnivorous HG of today.  My dislike just provides the basis for examining whether or not I actually have to put in effort, time, and money, just to make unpalatable and ultimately Neolithic foods tolerable when they are not necessary for health. Modern veggies are on par with dogs in human breeding manipulation.  Their original forms would have been even more disgusting.

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on September 20, 2014
at 01:45 PM

Hating a food has nothing to do with paleo. Your hate is blinding you to the health benefits.

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on September 22, 2014
at 12:00 AM

As evidenced by the foods you listed, green leafies obviously aren't the only healthy way to get more plants in your diet.  Berries, nuts, and many others are very nutrient dense, and combined with the fish, meat, and bone broth, I don't see any deficiencies at all.

A141571ee2453db572c9d3222657bf6b

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on September 22, 2014
at 12:39 PM

 I said I hate them. I'm not hating on them.  Almost all plant leaves are toxic.

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on September 22, 2014
at 12:02 PM

That's no defense against hating on green vegetables. Our ancestors ate what was at hand, and leaves are always at hand. It makes more sense to hate on wheat, bacon and coconut oil which are truly Neolithic foods.

A141571ee2453db572c9d3222657bf6b

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on September 22, 2014
at 02:34 PM

Find your nearest tree and have at it. Let me know how hot the nurses are.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on September 22, 2014
at 01:30 PM

Toxic? No. 

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on September 22, 2014
at 02:56 PM

This is silly. Our ancestors have already done the experiments. No need to repeat. Do a sid-by side of beets and beet greens. http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/ Neither contains very many calories in 100g. The greens contain a lot more minerals, especially calcium, iron and potassium. I'll eat both, but with butter or bacon the greens taste better. Better than liver, so I exclude that from my diet.

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on September 22, 2014
at 03:46 PM

good luck getting enough vitamin K and magnesium from berries and nuts.

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56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on September 19, 2014
at 05:55 PM

I assume you mean  leaves and broccoli. They are the major contributor of magnesium, vitamin K1, plus folate and vitamin A if you do not eat liver. Various other carotenoids too (lutein etc.). Other than that you should be fine. I think the problem are the first two, but my mother used to boil all the vegetables (including the green ones) in very little broth, then strain them to separate the fibers. The resulting blended "minestrone" was quite acceptable to me and my siblings, with a little olive oil  and bread croutons on top.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on September 19, 2014
at 09:40 PM

Vitamin K from tea? Not going to happen. Unless you're brewing your tea in olive oil. 

A141571ee2453db572c9d3222657bf6b

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on September 19, 2014
at 06:28 PM

With enough butter, broccoli is tolerable, but still unfavorable.  But I've considered all those. Fortunately they're all found in abundance in berries, fruit, nuts, and fish.  I drink a cup of green tea every morning and it's an excellent source of K1.  I've never been a big believer in obtaining vitamin A from carotenoids anyway and take cod liver oil daily.  Admittedly it's nutritional reductionism but so far I'm unable to find anything in greens, from asparagus to spinach, that cannot be obtained in sufficient amounts from the preferred foods.

A141571ee2453db572c9d3222657bf6b

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on September 19, 2014
at 09:51 PM

It depends on how much leaf matter makes it into the tea (cheap commercial bagged tea is no good), but yes.

A141571ee2453db572c9d3222657bf6b

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on September 19, 2014
at 10:23 PM

I am finding that kale contains the largest amount of vitamin K, twice the amount of the next largest, in one of the anticoagulation food lists I found.  I'm fine with raw kale in a smoothie with blueberries and coconut oil.  Can't taste it at all.  Blackberries are a really good source too.  I just find every way I prepare green vegetables as a side dish to be disgusting, and I doubt Grok went through a bunch of elaborate master chef preparation to make some paleolithic chard palatable.

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on September 22, 2014
at 07:23 AM

You like bone broth? Why not try cooking some green veg in bone broth, along with onions and possibly galric, then use an inmmersion blender to turn it into a soup? You could at this stage add finely chopped cooked meat to heat through and pretty much completely disguise taste / texture of the greens?

A141571ee2453db572c9d3222657bf6b

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on September 22, 2014
at 12:30 PM

I consider onion and garlic to be medicinal and not for regular consumption in the absence of disease. But I'm fine with carrots and celery in my broth. The carrots are roots and the celery is, for the most part, tasteless.  Paleo carrots were nothing to write home about but at least they aren't disgusting.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on September 22, 2014
at 01:32 PM

Onions/garlic are medicinal? You have some odd preconseptions about food. Stop trying to recreate a authentic paleo diet. Paleo isn't paleolithic, it's a whole-food nutrient-dense diet. 

A141571ee2453db572c9d3222657bf6b

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on September 22, 2014
at 02:32 PM

Yes, they are. I'm not recreating anything. I'm stating reasons for why greens are unnecessary given the preferred foods.

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on September 22, 2014
at 03:45 PM

they are medicinal in that they have some fibers that are good for your gut flora. as such, a bit of allium every day is optimal, as the Japanese (and a number of other populations) do. Potatoes are medicinal too.

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on September 20, 2014
at 01:14 PM

Hey. Its good if you eat vegetables. Try to eat them fresh, just add them to pasta or rice and mix, really its quite tasty. After eating such meal you will get used to the taste.

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