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ZC'ers: How long did it take to start losing weight?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 02, 2011 at 11:34 PM

This question from the other day re-piqued my interest in going zero carb. I was LC and VLC for a while, with no fat loss success. Eventually I had some unrelated health issues come up though and while I stayed mostly paleo-compliant (no grains, dairy, legumes and usually no sugar), I stopped worrying about my carb intake. I'm feeling better now and after 11 months with no weight loss, I'm looking for new alternatives.

For those of you who do ZC or have past experience with it, how long did it take to see weight/fat loss?

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on April 10, 2013
at 03:24 AM

maybe its the fructose your sensitive to. this includes trace amts of fructose in eggs, dairy, good amounts in vegs and in fructans (wheat, onions, garlic etc.)?

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on June 03, 2011
at 08:37 PM

Thanks Rose. I'd have a hard time making a rib eye and bacon reward-free too. I'm also sold on insulin as the answer but I struggle with a very strong set point and am always looking for ideas on how to break through.

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on June 03, 2011
at 08:28 PM

I didn't add any exercise at all for the first several months on ZC and lost just fine. OTOH, before that, I exercised 4-5 times a week for an hour, about half of it weight lifting, and I didn't lose anything, except hope.

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on June 03, 2011
at 05:51 AM

Until you experience and reflect on the deliciousness and the disappointment that is a 3 Musketeer's bar, you don't understand food reward.

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on June 03, 2011
at 04:44 AM

That sounds a little like some of the experimentation around the 'Shangri-La' diet, at least among users of the forums. The idea is that consuming tasteless calories (fat/oil or plain sugar water) separate from flavors will lower the set point - and I have to say it worked a bit (it was my "entre'" into geeky diets that ultimately led me to Paleo). One user even clamped her nose for all meals and had amazing results (flavors trigger insulin)... Anyway I'm with Rose on this (as usual!) - it was almost immediate for me, but if it's to be more/faster I have to do ZC. Even nuts throw me off...

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on June 03, 2011
at 02:54 AM

Shari, I've been reading the comments at his blog and pondering for the last few days. Based on my experience alone I'd say it doesn't apply to me -- my food is not just delicious (I know that's not the entire definition), it's highly palatable. We're talkin' bacon & ribeyes! Plus, my experience on low-cal, high-carb "bland" diets was that unless I got down to around 500 cals, I often actually gained weight. So for my body, I'm pretty sold on insulin. That doesn't mean I think he's wrong for everyone, but I think it doesn't apply to a lot of obese people, especially women.

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on June 03, 2011
at 01:54 AM

Rose just wondering if you have any thoughts on the idea that ZC may be a form of altering the food reward system a la Stephan Guyenet. Just finished listening to Chris Kressers podcast with Stephen and I couldn't help thinking about ZC and what a perfect example this may be of what he is talking about. His assertion of course would be that it wasn't about carbs but about the body lowering set point by eating a very bland, monotonous, diet with little "reward" from the food. Do you think there is anything to that?

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at 01:30 AM

Thanks for your insight, Rose. I agree, our body are very mysterious. Frustrating and mysterious. I don't know that I could stick it out that long with no results. I don't need immediate gratification, but a little something here and there is nice reassurance.

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on June 03, 2011
at 12:52 AM

I ate only animal products for three months as a self experiment. While enjoyable and fine overall, my weight was constant. I didn't lose anything. I wasn't trying to but I monitored to see. I was lean before, during, and after.

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3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on June 03, 2011
at 01:04 AM

I'll just copy my comment from your other comment, kinetic:

The weight loss was pretty much immediate. Within a week I was down two pounds. At four months in, I was 155, the lowest weight I'd been since I was a teenager. Over the course of the next year, with some tweaks (dropping wine and dairy, for instance) I made it to 146, a weight I hadn't seen since I was twelve years old.

VLC worked for me to a point; I went from 220 to 190 (roughly), but then stalled for over a year. ZC did the trick, but I still don't know why. I'm pretty sure it's a simple matter of carbohydrate in my body: my weight tracks perfectly with carb intake (even in cream and eggs). Add some, and up I go. Take some out, and the weight drops, even with a lot of bacon, ribeye fat, and butter. (My other theory -- more interesting but possibly less plausible -- is that I'm extremely sensitive to most plant matter, and that inflammation from their so-called "secondary compounds" is causing me to put on body fat.)

I do want to add that I've known of at least a couple of overweight women who stuck with it quite strictly for over a year who didn't seem to lose any weight at all. They're in the minority, but they exist. Very mysterious, these bodies of ours are.

65660697ed243c7980725fd014eb00e0

(494)

on June 03, 2011
at 01:30 AM

Thanks for your insight, Rose. I agree, our body are very mysterious. Frustrating and mysterious. I don't know that I could stick it out that long with no results. I don't need immediate gratification, but a little something here and there is nice reassurance.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on June 03, 2011
at 05:51 AM

Until you experience and reflect on the deliciousness and the disappointment that is a 3 Musketeer's bar, you don't understand food reward.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on June 03, 2011
at 01:54 AM

Rose just wondering if you have any thoughts on the idea that ZC may be a form of altering the food reward system a la Stephan Guyenet. Just finished listening to Chris Kressers podcast with Stephen and I couldn't help thinking about ZC and what a perfect example this may be of what he is talking about. His assertion of course would be that it wasn't about carbs but about the body lowering set point by eating a very bland, monotonous, diet with little "reward" from the food. Do you think there is anything to that?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 03, 2011
at 02:54 AM

Shari, I've been reading the comments at his blog and pondering for the last few days. Based on my experience alone I'd say it doesn't apply to me -- my food is not just delicious (I know that's not the entire definition), it's highly palatable. We're talkin' bacon & ribeyes! Plus, my experience on low-cal, high-carb "bland" diets was that unless I got down to around 500 cals, I often actually gained weight. So for my body, I'm pretty sold on insulin. That doesn't mean I think he's wrong for everyone, but I think it doesn't apply to a lot of obese people, especially women.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

(2997)

on June 03, 2011
at 04:44 AM

That sounds a little like some of the experimentation around the 'Shangri-La' diet, at least among users of the forums. The idea is that consuming tasteless calories (fat/oil or plain sugar water) separate from flavors will lower the set point - and I have to say it worked a bit (it was my "entre'" into geeky diets that ultimately led me to Paleo). One user even clamped her nose for all meals and had amazing results (flavors trigger insulin)... Anyway I'm with Rose on this (as usual!) - it was almost immediate for me, but if it's to be more/faster I have to do ZC. Even nuts throw me off...

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on June 03, 2011
at 08:37 PM

Thanks Rose. I'd have a hard time making a rib eye and bacon reward-free too. I'm also sold on insulin as the answer but I struggle with a very strong set point and am always looking for ideas on how to break through.

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on April 10, 2013
at 03:24 AM

maybe its the fructose your sensitive to. this includes trace amts of fructose in eggs, dairy, good amounts in vegs and in fructans (wheat, onions, garlic etc.)?

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on June 03, 2011
at 08:26 PM

Like Rose, I started losing immediately. The first time I tried ZC, I had been VLC for about 3 weeks, and had lost about a pound. I lost about 10 lbs in the next 3 weeks ZC. Weight loss slowed after the first couple of months, and dramatically slowed after my first year. I was down to about 140 from about 180. Since then, in the last half year, I've lost about another 10, and my size continues to decrease, too.

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on June 03, 2011
at 05:31 AM

For weight loss...

Be sure to walk 4-5 times per week. Weightlifting is even better.

I really like 3 meals of protien and green veggies. Not zero carb but still very low carb. Not much fat but you can experiment with that aspect of it...

Every person is diffrent.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on June 03, 2011
at 08:28 PM

I didn't add any exercise at all for the first several months on ZC and lost just fine. OTOH, before that, I exercised 4-5 times a week for an hour, about half of it weight lifting, and I didn't lose anything, except hope.

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