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Trying a zero carb, anything I'm missing

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created May 14, 2013 at 5:16 AM

I keep getting these recurrent shingles / zoster virus infections, and it's starting to piss me off.

I've been doing a Paleo diet for a few months and love it, so that will probably stick with me for a few years to the rest of my life.

My weight is a bit low (maybe 8%), but I have decent muscle and am generally healthy enough. I want to get rid of this damn virus though. Normally, I go to the doctor every couple months and get antibiotics or antivirals.

Any thoughts on removing carbohydrates from my diet and adding exercise to burn it off?

I'm thinking lots of seafood, beef, chicken, pork, eggs, coconut oil, and butter ghee can get me through the next few weeks. I might pick up some fermented cod liver oil. Is this a waste of time, or a good idea?

Edit: I just google'd lysine sources, as my doctor recommended these supplements. I read 'Your best bet to find lysine is in meat products.' That's a good sign. Also, B vitamins, which is high in seafood. I think this might work. (Not a cure, but at least get this stuff off my face and stop my back from going numb every 20 minutes, then I'm back to eating good food.)

Edit: No way I can do this for a few weeks. I'm going to get tired of living on animal real, real quick. In reading about insulin resistance, I'm wondering if it would be smart to eat a tiny bit of carbs. (I don't feel like I need them at this point though.)

Edit: I was going to eat a carrot and some blueberries, but I don't like the lysine/arginine ratio. Hrm. Maybe a papaya tomorrow.

Edit: Coooool. Last night one spot went straight to uninflamed, while the other spot got deep, itchy, painful in the nerve, and wet/puffy/hot/blistered (not good.) I hit the sack, and that spot is now unusually flat (though, I can still feel it in that nerve.) I think I'm past the worst of it. Normally, these can fester in that blistery/pre-blistery area for a good week to a month. Feeling pretty drained today.. not sure if low carb flu or not enough sleep. Going to drink plenty of fluid and take it easy. One more day of meat and papaya, then I'm going to vegetable it up tomorrow.

Last edit: Remarkable healing time. The zero carb was likely unnecessary (possibly counter-productive), but the high-b12 seafood and the optimal lysine/arginine intake seems paramount. This Paleo stuff is for real.

Dd74e6399ae697d8603dc9aa74fbafae

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on June 02, 2013
at 07:36 AM

It's not necessarily the adrenaline. People experience this on ketogenic diets in general and it is most likely caused by BHB whose structure is very similar to GHB and may have some similar effects in that it is a mild agonist of GABA receptors.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 17, 2013
at 07:48 AM

You could say I had a... defishiency.

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on May 17, 2013
at 05:58 AM

I came here just to say this.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 15, 2013
at 09:52 PM

Very interesting. I most certainly have been deficient in several areas for a long time. This Paleo movement was way overdue. Exciting how well eating real food is working out for me (and viewing food as medicine.)

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on May 15, 2013
at 09:38 PM

Good call. Paying close attention to my body. I was feeling my muscles get pretty sore all over so I had a papaya at the end of the 2nd day (first source of carbs.) It was like I could feel the mitochondria fireworks light up in every cell. Definitely was helpful. The goal is to be stronger than weak. Thanks for the info, I will be ending this much shorter than expected due to positive results and for further boosts.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

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on May 15, 2013
at 01:18 PM

And yes, my shingles, I think was directly related to a b12 deficiency that I was unaware of at the time. Or shingles was the straw that broke the camel's back, which set off a firestorm of methylation cycle issues that had always been there, but were not being expressed.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

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on May 15, 2013
at 01:16 PM

The best way to determine if you are getting enough nutrients is to plug your food into an app like Fitday. I do it daily just to be sure I am meeting at lease the RDA requirements. I find it most difficult to meet iron and calcium, but am not terribly concerned about that.

8d3cb0be5f31c75a05f853cb3b5c245a

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on May 15, 2013
at 12:45 PM

I didn't list all of the dangers.. just an example of one of the dangers. How do you know you won't develop hypothyroidism? Or that your cholesterol will be in fine shape? Those were two cases that developed - OVER TIME - because of people who had infections. also detailed at the perfect health diet. Anyway, be my guest to do zero carb you've obviously got all the answers and are going to end up looking like that ripped swedish athlete everyone talks about I am sure. Best of luck to you! also Michael is right.

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on May 15, 2013
at 09:48 AM

@paleot vit c isn't stored in the body, doesn't matter what you had before

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 15, 2013
at 04:27 AM

(Also grass fed eggs when I was talking about that chicken family).. lol.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 15, 2013
at 04:21 AM

(Also, the chicken is probably my only source of external carbs at this point.)

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 15, 2013
at 04:19 AM

I'm getting a bunch of omega 3 in fish, and it's grass-fed chicken breast. Honestly, I've never eaten this well of a 3/6 ratio in 30 years.

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on May 15, 2013
at 03:39 AM

Chickens are pretty high in inflammatory omega 6. I'd be more worried about that than cholesterol.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 15, 2013
at 02:28 AM

I'm looking to do this for maybe 5 days. Feeling good enough that I'm wondering if maybe I have some sort of fodmaps issue. I'm like the nutrigrain commercial today.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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at 02:13 AM

(Or maybe I am getting enough nutrients -- 3 eggs, 2 salmons, 1 chicken, a healthy amount of coconut oil and butter ghee, and 2 glasses of green tea.) Going to get some beef liver now.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 15, 2013
at 02:12 AM

This definitely isn't going to be sustainable. (Not getting enough nutrients). The carb thing doesn't seem to be bugging me much at all. So far, so good. Face isn't getting any worse, but I've still got that zinging numbness on a regular interval.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 15, 2013
at 02:11 AM

Good call. Good, good call. I'm going to go buy some now.

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on May 15, 2013
at 02:09 AM

As someone who has been doing LC/VLC/ketogenic diet for years, I would advise against going 0 carb.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 15, 2013
at 02:09 AM

Yeah, now that I can't help it, I suddenly don't care as much. I just ate an entire family of baby chickens. Just the physical thought of it running through me at 500% isn't pleasant. This won't be sustainable for me, but you're right. No big deal.

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on May 15, 2013
at 01:50 AM

Paleot, what's your concern about dietary cholesterol? In the absence of carbs, you have to eat SOMETHING and adequate protein plus paleo-healthy fats are what's left. The theory that dietary cholesterol causes cardiovascular disease is not supported by the research.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 10:57 PM

Ah, perhaps. Typically, I hate adrenaline. In the past, I would feel kind of anxious and would call that excess adrenaline. Or I wouldn't get tired at night (insomnia) and call that adrenaline. Since paleo, it's been impressively stress / anxiety free living. Tomorrow or the next day, I should have a better idea of what this is.

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on May 14, 2013
at 10:39 PM

the euphoric feeling is the adrenaline being released. that can feel pretty damn cool for a while. until it feels really not cool.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 10:26 PM

Almost euphoric?

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 10:24 PM

I guess I'm looking at this like a fast. But a fast where I'm able to eat lots of delicious meat, drink green tea, and a little exercise. I actually feel fantastic 2 days in.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 09:39 PM

B12 was what I was looking at, and getting it from seafood. (google b12 shingles, they sometimes inject you with it.)

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 09:36 PM

It looks like I could get a tiny amount from green tea. I often have 3 or 4 cups in a day.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

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on May 14, 2013
at 09:33 PM

I am very interested to hearing your experience with lysine. Please do keep us posted.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

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at 09:32 PM

B? I know B12 and other contributors to the methylation cycle are essential for viral immunity. What Bs are you referring to?

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 09:32 PM

I want to say, I've had at least a gram of C most days for most of my life, haha.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 09:31 PM

That's actually the main thing kind of bugging me, is I have all these organic blueberries, organic orange juice, organic lemons, organic limes, etc, that I'm not using that are going to go bad.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 09:30 PM

Prior to this, I drink / eat a ridiculous amount of vitamin C. A ridiculous amount. I have zero risk of scurvy, haha.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 09:24 PM

Yeah, I've probably been watching too much BBC hidden life of the cell. (really cool depiction of virii.) I hear lysine / b is what you want to take, so, I'm going to try living on it for a minute.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 09:23 PM

Yeah, I've probably been watching too much BBC hidden life of the cell. (really cool depiction of viri.) I hear lysine / b is what you want to take, so, I'm going to try living on it for a minute.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

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on May 14, 2013
at 09:13 PM

I should point out that this is coming from a fellow shingles sufferer. I've only had it once though.. during an extremely stressful time, but when I am stressed again I can feel the neuralgia pains in the area that was originally affected.

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on May 14, 2013
at 09:02 PM

I suggested macadamias because they liquefy easily, and the drink actually isn't horrible. Also, anything that doesn't come from an animal—nuts included—will have no cholesterol, the other reason I suggested nuts at all. Two things to add: not all nuts will liquefy as easily, and dietary cholesterol doesn't cause elevations in blood cholesterol.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 08:48 PM

The difficulty is in not eating an excessive amount of cholesterol. While, I'm not afraid of it, there's no need to be eating 300-500% on a daily basis, I don't think. (Any thoughts on this?) Maybe the nuts would be superior in this area. I think I might eat more fish over other meat, perhaps to balance it better.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 08:44 PM

That sounds like a horrible drink, lol. On IgE, I supposedly have a slight allergy to certain nuts, though, I generally avoid them for flavor. I could switch it out for walnuts.. but I don't know about a liquid walnut drink. I'll stick with small helpless animals for now. (Coconut fried chicken hearts, yum!)

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on May 14, 2013
at 04:55 PM

if you don't need to lose weight and want a dense, carb-free source of calories, take a jar of macadamias and put in a food processor until it's a liquid. drink.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 02:47 PM

About 2 months ago, I was mostly corn/gluten/soy/milk based and not feeling all that good. I started this from a low-cal high carb approach (lots of rice and fruit), but have been slowly moving toward less and less starches / sweets and more vegetables / meat. Though for now, I'm thinking I'd like to see what my body does on as close to zero as I can go. 24hrs in and I don't feel horrible, haha. I've got 2 salmon fillets, 3 eggs, and a lb of chicken to get me started tomorrow. The trick is not to lose more weight.

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on May 14, 2013
at 10:13 PM

Yeah. You're missing the most important thing. CARBOHYDRATES!!!

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 10:24 PM

I guess I'm looking at this like a fast. But a fast where I'm able to eat lots of delicious meat, drink green tea, and a little exercise. I actually feel fantastic 2 days in.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on May 14, 2013
at 10:26 PM

Almost euphoric?

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on May 14, 2013
at 10:57 PM

Ah, perhaps. Typically, I hate adrenaline. In the past, I would feel kind of anxious and would call that excess adrenaline. Or I wouldn't get tired at night (insomnia) and call that adrenaline. Since paleo, it's been impressively stress / anxiety free living. Tomorrow or the next day, I should have a better idea of what this is.

Ee6932fe54ad68039a8d5f7a8caa0468

(2668)

on May 14, 2013
at 10:39 PM

the euphoric feeling is the adrenaline being released. that can feel pretty damn cool for a while. until it feels really not cool.

0d7be15fd1a76c7a713b0e2e75381e75

(307)

on May 17, 2013
at 05:58 AM

I came here just to say this.

Dd74e6399ae697d8603dc9aa74fbafae

(695)

on June 02, 2013
at 07:36 AM

It's not necessarily the adrenaline. People experience this on ketogenic diets in general and it is most likely caused by BHB whose structure is very similar to GHB and may have some similar effects in that it is a mild agonist of GABA receptors.

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8d3cb0be5f31c75a05f853cb3b5c245a

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on May 14, 2013
at 09:25 PM

what? I direct you here, you can absolutely get into trouble going zero carb:

http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2010/11/danger-of-zero-carb-diets-iii-scurvy/

especially if you're constantly on antibiotics or antivirals, your body needs vitamin C to fight these infections, and your liver's ability to manufacture glucose may be impaired because you're in a state of viral infection. Obviously I am not a doctor, but PLEASE I BEG YOU Don't just do this because this person on that website who you really like said it was a good idea.

I really recommend you peruse their whole site, which is dedicated towards fighting the viral, bacterial, and fungal infections we all face on a continuing basis.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 09:30 PM

Prior to this, I drink / eat a ridiculous amount of vitamin C. A ridiculous amount. I have zero risk of scurvy, haha.

8d3cb0be5f31c75a05f853cb3b5c245a

(1601)

on May 15, 2013
at 12:45 PM

I didn't list all of the dangers.. just an example of one of the dangers. How do you know you won't develop hypothyroidism? Or that your cholesterol will be in fine shape? Those were two cases that developed - OVER TIME - because of people who had infections. also detailed at the perfect health diet. Anyway, be my guest to do zero carb you've obviously got all the answers and are going to end up looking like that ripped swedish athlete everyone talks about I am sure. Best of luck to you! also Michael is right.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 09:36 PM

It looks like I could get a tiny amount from green tea. I often have 3 or 4 cups in a day.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on May 14, 2013
at 09:31 PM

That's actually the main thing kind of bugging me, is I have all these organic blueberries, organic orange juice, organic lemons, organic limes, etc, that I'm not using that are going to go bad.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on May 15, 2013
at 09:38 PM

Good call. Paying close attention to my body. I was feeling my muscles get pretty sore all over so I had a papaya at the end of the 2nd day (first source of carbs.) It was like I could feel the mitochondria fireworks light up in every cell. Definitely was helpful. The goal is to be stronger than weak. Thanks for the info, I will be ending this much shorter than expected due to positive results and for further boosts.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on May 14, 2013
at 09:32 PM

I want to say, I've had at least a gram of C most days for most of my life, haha.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on May 15, 2013
at 09:48 AM

@paleot vit c isn't stored in the body, doesn't matter what you had before

2
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on May 15, 2013
at 01:38 AM

I didn't see any organ meats in there, I'd definitely recommend some liver.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 15, 2013
at 02:11 AM

Good call. Good, good call. I'm going to go buy some now.

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06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

on May 14, 2013
at 09:11 PM

Burning off a virus? Not sure that exists. Fasting is a tool to use for viral infections, but never heard of keto dieting for a virus.

I would think that if you are having recurrent shingles outbreaks, but are otherwise young and healthy that there is some kind of stressor happening. Why put more stress on your body with keto dieting?

Seems cray cray to me.

Maybe try high dose vit c to bowel tolerance and lysine supps. Eat more carbs, experience less stress.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 09:24 PM

Yeah, I've probably been watching too much BBC hidden life of the cell. (really cool depiction of virii.) I hear lysine / b is what you want to take, so, I'm going to try living on it for a minute.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on May 15, 2013
at 02:12 AM

This definitely isn't going to be sustainable. (Not getting enough nutrients). The carb thing doesn't seem to be bugging me much at all. So far, so good. Face isn't getting any worse, but I've still got that zinging numbness on a regular interval.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on May 14, 2013
at 09:23 PM

Yeah, I've probably been watching too much BBC hidden life of the cell. (really cool depiction of viri.) I hear lysine / b is what you want to take, so, I'm going to try living on it for a minute.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on May 14, 2013
at 09:32 PM

B? I know B12 and other contributors to the methylation cycle are essential for viral immunity. What Bs are you referring to?

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 09:39 PM

B12 was what I was looking at, and getting it from seafood. (google b12 shingles, they sometimes inject you with it.)

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

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on May 14, 2013
at 09:33 PM

I am very interested to hearing your experience with lysine. Please do keep us posted.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

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on May 15, 2013
at 01:18 PM

And yes, my shingles, I think was directly related to a b12 deficiency that I was unaware of at the time. Or shingles was the straw that broke the camel's back, which set off a firestorm of methylation cycle issues that had always been there, but were not being expressed.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 15, 2013
at 09:52 PM

Very interesting. I most certainly have been deficient in several areas for a long time. This Paleo movement was way overdue. Exciting how well eating real food is working out for me (and viewing food as medicine.)

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 15, 2013
at 02:13 AM

(Or maybe I am getting enough nutrients -- 3 eggs, 2 salmons, 1 chicken, a healthy amount of coconut oil and butter ghee, and 2 glasses of green tea.) Going to get some beef liver now.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on May 17, 2013
at 07:48 AM

You could say I had a... defishiency.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on May 14, 2013
at 09:13 PM

I should point out that this is coming from a fellow shingles sufferer. I've only had it once though.. during an extremely stressful time, but when I am stressed again I can feel the neuralgia pains in the area that was originally affected.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

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on May 15, 2013
at 01:16 PM

The best way to determine if you are getting enough nutrients is to plug your food into an app like Fitday. I do it daily just to be sure I am meeting at lease the RDA requirements. I find it most difficult to meet iron and calcium, but am not terribly concerned about that.

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10121ac7b6beb99c0fbfbf1522c50adb

on May 14, 2013
at 10:51 AM

I would say go for it but add a multivitamin if you can find a quality one you're okay with. When looking keep in mind all of the colorings added to make pills green or blue or red or pink. Also, I don't know how low carb you are at the moment, but if you aren't already super low, be ready for low carb flu???although the low carb flu does sound better than shingles/zoster viral infections and their accompanying medications.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 15, 2013
at 04:27 AM

(Also grass fed eggs when I was talking about that chicken family).. lol.

10121ac7b6beb99c0fbfbf1522c50adb

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on May 14, 2013
at 04:55 PM

if you don't need to lose weight and want a dense, carb-free source of calories, take a jar of macadamias and put in a food processor until it's a liquid. drink.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on May 14, 2013
at 02:47 PM

About 2 months ago, I was mostly corn/gluten/soy/milk based and not feeling all that good. I started this from a low-cal high carb approach (lots of rice and fruit), but have been slowly moving toward less and less starches / sweets and more vegetables / meat. Though for now, I'm thinking I'd like to see what my body does on as close to zero as I can go. 24hrs in and I don't feel horrible, haha. I've got 2 salmon fillets, 3 eggs, and a lb of chicken to get me started tomorrow. The trick is not to lose more weight.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on May 15, 2013
at 04:19 AM

I'm getting a bunch of omega 3 in fish, and it's grass-fed chicken breast. Honestly, I've never eaten this well of a 3/6 ratio in 30 years.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 14, 2013
at 08:44 PM

That sounds like a horrible drink, lol. On IgE, I supposedly have a slight allergy to certain nuts, though, I generally avoid them for flavor. I could switch it out for walnuts.. but I don't know about a liquid walnut drink. I'll stick with small helpless animals for now. (Coconut fried chicken hearts, yum!)

10121ac7b6beb99c0fbfbf1522c50adb

(1193)

on May 14, 2013
at 09:02 PM

I suggested macadamias because they liquefy easily, and the drink actually isn't horrible. Also, anything that doesn't come from an animal—nuts included—will have no cholesterol, the other reason I suggested nuts at all. Two things to add: not all nuts will liquefy as easily, and dietary cholesterol doesn't cause elevations in blood cholesterol.

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on May 15, 2013
at 03:39 AM

Chickens are pretty high in inflammatory omega 6. I'd be more worried about that than cholesterol.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 15, 2013
at 04:21 AM

(Also, the chicken is probably my only source of external carbs at this point.)

3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

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on May 15, 2013
at 01:50 AM

Paleot, what's your concern about dietary cholesterol? In the absence of carbs, you have to eat SOMETHING and adequate protein plus paleo-healthy fats are what's left. The theory that dietary cholesterol causes cardiovascular disease is not supported by the research.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on May 14, 2013
at 08:48 PM

The difficulty is in not eating an excessive amount of cholesterol. While, I'm not afraid of it, there's no need to be eating 300-500% on a daily basis, I don't think. (Any thoughts on this?) Maybe the nuts would be superior in this area. I think I might eat more fish over other meat, perhaps to balance it better.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on May 15, 2013
at 02:09 AM

Yeah, now that I can't help it, I suddenly don't care as much. I just ate an entire family of baby chickens. Just the physical thought of it running through me at 500% isn't pleasant. This won't be sustainable for me, but you're right. No big deal.

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