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Does Zero Carb cause Histamine Intolerance?

Answered on March 08, 2016
Created February 15, 2013 at 6:16 AM

Please help!! I am so confused and don't want to add another diagnosis of histamine intolerance to my leaky gut-gluten intolerant-lactose intolerant-GAPS-FODMAPS situation...

I recently decided to go zero carb from low carb. On LC I was just eating meat and vegetables and about 50g carbs a day from leafy greens and the occasional sweet potato. But my digestion was moving along like a snail, I looked like I was 5 months pregnant, and was only having BMs once or twice a week. I have bad eczema and eczema-like hives that I really wanted to control, but for some reason, along with slow GI tract movement, my skin wasn't getting better, in fact, sometimes it got worse, even when I was the most well rested I had been in my entire life (bed by 11, wake up a few times at night, up by 7, which was amazing for me) So I decided to cut back to ground zero and it's been 2 weeks on ZC. I've eaten bone broth with ACV, grass fed beef, salmon, mackerel, sardines, lamb, and cooked everything in conventional lard and seasoned only with salt.

My acne cleared up amazingly and my skin glowed for the first week. My bloating went away and I had a BM every 2 days. However, my eczema didn't get better. This week I bought salmon and sardines fresh and started eating fish everyday. My acne has come back and my eczema has started weeping pus and weird hive-y rashes are on my legs. Yesterday, I had bone broth with salmon, lamb with cumin, and grass fed bef slow cooked in bone broth seasoned with cinnamon and garam masala...so EVERYTHING was high histamine and I woke up at 3am SO ITCHY and saw that my eczema and the hives had gotten worse. Couldn't sleep and googled around and came to the conclusion that I am histamine intolerant, and now pretty depressed about it. I'm pretty sure I have it too because I feel full all the time and never poo, which is an indicator of histamine intolerance. This also explains why my skin weeps pus when I put coconut oil on it and why in the past few years when I had coconut products, dark chocolate, and sulfite free red wine that I still had bad reactions.

I don't know what to do. Before my naturopath had told me to go heavy on the CLO for a month or two (6 tsp a day vs the reg 1) so that probably caused buildup of histamine. Apparently histamine is released in high fat and protein diets...something about copper too. I am taking a zinc supplement daily because a few months ago my hair started falling out in scary bunches because of copper toxicity from the leafy greens I was eating on LC. What am I doing wrong??? I just want to get better. I'm sad and desperate right now. Please help!

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on March 08, 2013
at 03:58 AM

wow thanks! didnt even know about salicylates but that explains alot now too. my mom always thought I was crazy when I told her I got hot and sweaty whenever I ate grapes and pineapples. obviously i dont eat them anymore because of the carb content but is there anything else you suggest now that I have an intolerance to salicylates as well?

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on March 03, 2013
at 03:37 AM

Also, I no longer take any supplements, not even calcium. I weigh around 130, and I eat anywhere from 1500-2500 calories on average each day, depending on my activity level sometimes, other times I just feel like eating more :) When I notice that I've gone more than a day or two without a good BM it always correlates with me having consumed a little too much protein and not enough fat. I usually then eat a higher than normal fat meal (85%fat) and usually within that same day I have a good BM and I feel great. What is your fat/protein ratio each day. I try to average 80/20

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on March 03, 2013
at 03:32 AM

I was previously taking everyone under the sun including probiotics, fish oil, Vit A,b,c,d., digestive enzymes, candida herbal remedies, etc.. Having BMs every 2 days is perfectly normal on a ZC diet. During the course of adjusting to ZC the first 4 weeks, my BMs have ranged from once daily, to up to 8-10 times on those days when my system was clearing out all the yeasty strange substances in my body and my weight was adjusting. Check out the ZIOH forum or Raw Paleo Diet ZC forum for lots of great advice and check the journals. Keep eating all the meat/fat you like without worrying,

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on March 02, 2013
at 06:04 PM

Taking 500mg in one go is a poor way of supplementing magnesium. There is simply no evolutionary precedent for a dose of that nature, so the fractional absorption will be quite low. I'd recommend splitting it up and taking it with several meals. 100mg magnesium glycinate 4 times a day with meals completely knocked out my histamine intolerance.

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on March 02, 2013
at 05:07 AM

so i just read your other responses and I found the answer for my supplements question. my new questions are: how are your BMs? how many calories do you eat a day/what are your stats? i feel like each day my appetite is getting bigger and bigger for meats!

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on March 02, 2013
at 04:55 AM

exactly what im doing!! ive felt alot better. although I still only have (regular) BMs every 2 days and my chronic eczema has not cleared up. What supplements did you take/are you still on this diet?

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on February 15, 2013
at 09:40 PM

Last time I got it checked, 6 months ago my D3 was around 55. I take 5000 iu from non fish liver source a day and try to spend an hour a day in the sun everyday, take 500 mg magnesium citrate a night. Not to keen on getting retested for updated D3 and magnesium because my insurance doesnt cover these tests and I still have not been able to pay off the 500+ bill of the tests I got half a year ago :/

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on February 15, 2013
at 11:27 AM

And when my Histamine Intolerance symptoms are bad (not often), I take 1000 mg ascorbic acid every 1/2 hour until symptoms subside.

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on February 15, 2013
at 10:34 AM

How are your D3 and Magnesium levels? Got rid of my eczema by dialing in my D3 and Magnesium keeps things moving...

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75bf87379aa119821e3f6f4115f1145a

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on March 02, 2013
at 03:55 AM

I also have a histamine, gluten, salicyclate, all-vegetable, etc intolerance, and all my issues cleared out when I eliminated bone broth (causes MSG-like symptoms due to glutamic acid) and all seafood, and stick to only high fat beef and lamb. Just meat, fat, water, not even salt, and everything got better for me. Have you tried eliminating down to just these basics?

75bf87379aa119821e3f6f4115f1145a

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on March 03, 2013
at 03:37 AM

Also, I no longer take any supplements, not even calcium. I weigh around 130, and I eat anywhere from 1500-2500 calories on average each day, depending on my activity level sometimes, other times I just feel like eating more :) When I notice that I've gone more than a day or two without a good BM it always correlates with me having consumed a little too much protein and not enough fat. I usually then eat a higher than normal fat meal (85%fat) and usually within that same day I have a good BM and I feel great. What is your fat/protein ratio each day. I try to average 80/20

520cb551296ccc3f36ced59ddf9ee96b

(154)

on March 02, 2013
at 05:07 AM

so i just read your other responses and I found the answer for my supplements question. my new questions are: how are your BMs? how many calories do you eat a day/what are your stats? i feel like each day my appetite is getting bigger and bigger for meats!

520cb551296ccc3f36ced59ddf9ee96b

(154)

on March 02, 2013
at 04:55 AM

exactly what im doing!! ive felt alot better. although I still only have (regular) BMs every 2 days and my chronic eczema has not cleared up. What supplements did you take/are you still on this diet?

75bf87379aa119821e3f6f4115f1145a

(224)

on March 03, 2013
at 03:32 AM

I was previously taking everyone under the sun including probiotics, fish oil, Vit A,b,c,d., digestive enzymes, candida herbal remedies, etc.. Having BMs every 2 days is perfectly normal on a ZC diet. During the course of adjusting to ZC the first 4 weeks, my BMs have ranged from once daily, to up to 8-10 times on those days when my system was clearing out all the yeasty strange substances in my body and my weight was adjusting. Check out the ZIOH forum or Raw Paleo Diet ZC forum for lots of great advice and check the journals. Keep eating all the meat/fat you like without worrying,

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on March 08, 2016
at 03:56 AM

I hope you find your answers by now, but it is obvious from the diet you discribed that you ate a lot of histamines so there is no surprise about your histamine reactions. You need to go on a low histamine diet.

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on April 13, 2013
at 07:49 PM

I think it does.

I was like you: ate fat, meat and veggies and was stopped up all the time. My gastritis was bad too.

I've been feeling much better since I really scaled back the fat content, and started eating more starch.

I've actually found that since eating this way, I can better tolerate foods that trigger a histamine reaction.

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on February 15, 2013
at 04:33 PM

If you increased fish and fish oil, and then your ezcema got worse, then the logical thing to do is drop the fish and fish oil and see if the ezcema gets better. The jury is out on how much of the stuff we actually need; what seems to be important is the O6 to O3 ratio, so keep both really low. It may have nothing to do with histamines at all; you may just be allergic to fish oil.

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on February 15, 2013
at 11:43 AM

Have you looked into Salicylates? Do you have many salicylate rich foods?

520cb551296ccc3f36ced59ddf9ee96b

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on March 08, 2013
at 03:58 AM

wow thanks! didnt even know about salicylates but that explains alot now too. my mom always thought I was crazy when I told her I got hot and sweaty whenever I ate grapes and pineapples. obviously i dont eat them anymore because of the carb content but is there anything else you suggest now that I have an intolerance to salicylates as well?

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