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[Meta] What happens to trolls?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created January 14, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Cliff originally posted this question:

User AndyM changed my answer from:

"Low carb diets basically trick your body into thinking its starving which lowers your metabolism. Eating more carbohydrates typically raises the metabolism and allows more calories to be eaten."

To:

"Low carb diets allows your body to lower your metabolism, leading to increased longevity. Eating more carbohydrates typically requires them to be burned off immediately, raising the metabolism and allowing more calories to be eaten."

This shouldn't be allowed and is plain psycho dogma imo.

The mods take such issues seriously. If you are suspended, it means you have done something wrong. The most common reason for suspending is being a troll. Being a troll means being willfully rude and cruel in answers and comments. The site also monitors vote trolls. For example, someone who downvotes a user across multiple threads in a short period of time is a possible vote troll. There aren't very many trolls here, but every time we suspend one, we annotate their account to create a record of their behavior. Repeat offenders will be permanently exterminated.

Exterminate! EXTERMINATE!!

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

(1457)

on January 18, 2012
at 03:11 PM

So u guys mean I dont hav 2 check my speling or grammer 4 corectiness nemore? Sweet! Thnx in advncr for all the hardwrk u'll be doin ;)

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on January 18, 2012
at 09:32 AM

I agree that fixing tags is more important than adding line breaks and commas, etc. But I do edit spelling in *titles* because I think it makes the site look more "spiffy" for people who are just glancing at it. Kind of like: good public relations for paleo.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on January 18, 2012
at 09:31 AM

Warren D brings up a good point. That sort of mistake is *exactly* the kind of thing we can fix for each other. We all misspell things sometimes, but correcting spelling in **tags** is very helpful for the site because it helps us navigate between questions and answers. I have just fixed the tag Warren referred to.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 15, 2012
at 07:18 PM

I didn't say you said it was a good idea. I was just giving my opinion. BTW I wonder if one of the better spellers on the forum wants edit the spelling on the "potatoe" search tag?

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 15, 2012
at 06:02 PM

Kamal, I have rep points, but Melissa points to my answers not being the best. So, which is it? Correlation isn't a cucumber either.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 15, 2012
at 06:00 PM

I didn't say that it was impossible for new people to ask sophisticated questions. It just seems fishy, that is all.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 15, 2012
at 04:26 PM

@Kamal, but remember correlation is not causation! :-))

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11488)

on January 15, 2012
at 02:22 PM

@Warren, I didn't say that it's a good idea to allow anyone with 2000 points to edit others' posts, but that's the way the site is currently set up. I do feel that poor spelling, usage, formatting, etc. distract readers from the message of a post. Obviously, if someone can't spell, they shouldn't be editing other members' spelling.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on January 15, 2012
at 01:52 PM

Yeah you're right, I apologize and totally take back everything I have said.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 15, 2012
at 10:02 AM

I am an admin on three message boards. We only allow mods to edit others posts and only if the posts contain broken links or porn. As for spelling, punctuation etc, what does it matter as long as people understand what is meant? One board I visited had a moderator declaring he was going to edit bad spelling etc and it turns out that he is one of the worst spellers on there. Even his thread title was misspelled "A little editting please" (You can find it on Google). I just think of bad spelling as a strong foreign accent. It may not be perfect English but I know what the person is saying.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on January 15, 2012
at 01:07 AM

Thank goodness I rarely (ever? mabe once for tags?) edit posts. Cant throw stones when living in glas hous. My spelling is horendus :)

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on January 14, 2012
at 11:41 PM

irregardles...ggggrrrrrr!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 14, 2012
at 10:09 PM

I should have been a proof-reader instead of a restoration technician Mis-spelled words irrigate me (piss me off). I mean no harm but rather mean to fix errors so others won't be distracted by them.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on January 14, 2012
at 08:00 PM

Plus, rep points are likely (at least weakly) correlated with average answer quality.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on January 14, 2012
at 07:53 PM

Implementing a "points" system is a good way to try to get users addicted though. Am I right or am I right?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on January 14, 2012
at 07:46 PM

I never did put any stock into the "points" that I or anyone else has earned or not...nothing in particular against this site but I find that particular aspect next to worthless. So, popular consensus amongst the current regime gets more votes than less popular conclusions. Meh, not all that groundbreaking IMO.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 14, 2012
at 07:36 PM

Kasra, I see two annotations for trolling on your account already, so I would be careful. It may seem amusing to you to post sarcastic answers or links to "funny" sites as an answer, but such behavior is antisocial and unhelpful.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on January 14, 2012
at 07:31 PM

Yeah this is so offensive.

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11488)

on January 14, 2012
at 07:29 PM

Are new users incapable of formulating "somewhat sophisticated questions" and legitimately insightful answers? For example, Robb Wolf is a relatively new user.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on January 14, 2012
at 07:25 PM

Loon: I disagree. Humans tend to be strictly objective when evaluating the opinions of those in their group versus those outside of their group. Oops, I meant Vulcans. Not humans. :)

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 14, 2012
at 07:24 PM

Not cool at all! I read that answer and assumed, of course, it expressed your opinion. Sorry, AndyM, but IMO such behavior warrants a suspension. OH, and I see that he was.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 14, 2012
at 07:22 PM

um, I personally monitor the site and delete users with suspicious downvoting patterns, such as downvoting a user on multiple threads over a short period. The system alerts the mods to these things. I suppose it's easier to think there is some kind of conspiracy rather than that your answers might not be the best in the world.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 14, 2012
at 07:22 PM

Not cool at all! I read that answer and assumed, of course, it expressed your opinion. Sorry, AndyM, but IMO such behavior warrants a suspension.

96e3a46b1429e402ff81f363761236d5

(20)

on January 14, 2012
at 07:00 PM

any suggestions on more relevant places? i'm interested.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on January 14, 2012
at 06:57 PM

I should mention that this does not appear to be at all typical. In fact, I can't recall any other examples like this in my (way too many) hours reading through posts.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on January 14, 2012
at 06:55 PM

That is not cool. Thanks for bringing this up.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 14, 2012
at 07:27 PM

According to the site records records, Andym has trolled before and been suspended. Considering this is a second offense and a rather offensive offense, he will probably be permanently banned on the site. Also, I am changing this question to be a meta question.

Edit: AndyM has been permanently banned. We are sending a clear signal that antisocial behavior will not be tolerated.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on January 14, 2012
at 07:31 PM

Yeah this is so offensive.

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6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11488)

on January 14, 2012
at 07:18 PM

Cliff,

Anyone with 2000 reputation score can edit another user's post, but that doesn't mean that they should.

PaleoHacks relies on the courtesy and good will of its users, which does not always work for those who don't exhibit these qualities.

For those who are not clear on what constitutes acceptable etiquette in editing other users' posts, I will spell it out for you:

  1. All edits should respect the original intent of the author of the post.
  2. You are welcome to edit posts for spelling, punctuation, formatting, usage, grammar, clarity and/or adding relevant links.
  3. If you don't agree with a post, you are welcome to downvote or make a comment.
  4. If you find a post offensive or otherwise inappropriate, you are encouraged to flag it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 15, 2012
at 10:02 AM

I am an admin on three message boards. We only allow mods to edit others posts and only if the posts contain broken links or porn. As for spelling, punctuation etc, what does it matter as long as people understand what is meant? One board I visited had a moderator declaring he was going to edit bad spelling etc and it turns out that he is one of the worst spellers on there. Even his thread title was misspelled "A little editting please" (You can find it on Google). I just think of bad spelling as a strong foreign accent. It may not be perfect English but I know what the person is saying.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 15, 2012
at 07:18 PM

I didn't say you said it was a good idea. I was just giving my opinion. BTW I wonder if one of the better spellers on the forum wants edit the spelling on the "potatoe" search tag?

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11488)

on January 15, 2012
at 02:22 PM

@Warren, I didn't say that it's a good idea to allow anyone with 2000 points to edit others' posts, but that's the way the site is currently set up. I do feel that poor spelling, usage, formatting, etc. distract readers from the message of a post. Obviously, if someone can't spell, they shouldn't be editing other members' spelling.

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8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 14, 2012
at 06:08 PM

PH has been "broken" for quite some time now. It seems like for some people, hoards come along in and upvote certain people, and do drive-by downvoting of people they either don't like, or of people who support the viewpoints of people they don't like. Either deal with it, or find some place more relevant. Just look at some of the "new" contributors who have churned up lots of points in such a small time. And, people who have supposedly been here for only a day asking somewhat sophisticated questions.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on January 14, 2012
at 07:46 PM

I never did put any stock into the "points" that I or anyone else has earned or not...nothing in particular against this site but I find that particular aspect next to worthless. So, popular consensus amongst the current regime gets more votes than less popular conclusions. Meh, not all that groundbreaking IMO.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on January 14, 2012
at 07:53 PM

Implementing a "points" system is a good way to try to get users addicted though. Am I right or am I right?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on January 14, 2012
at 07:25 PM

Loon: I disagree. Humans tend to be strictly objective when evaluating the opinions of those in their group versus those outside of their group. Oops, I meant Vulcans. Not humans. :)

96e3a46b1429e402ff81f363761236d5

(20)

on January 14, 2012
at 07:00 PM

any suggestions on more relevant places? i'm interested.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 14, 2012
at 07:22 PM

um, I personally monitor the site and delete users with suspicious downvoting patterns, such as downvoting a user on multiple threads over a short period. The system alerts the mods to these things. I suppose it's easier to think there is some kind of conspiracy rather than that your answers might not be the best in the world.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 15, 2012
at 04:26 PM

@Kamal, but remember correlation is not causation! :-))

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11488)

on January 14, 2012
at 07:29 PM

Are new users incapable of formulating "somewhat sophisticated questions" and legitimately insightful answers? For example, Robb Wolf is a relatively new user.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on January 14, 2012
at 08:00 PM

Plus, rep points are likely (at least weakly) correlated with average answer quality.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 15, 2012
at 06:02 PM

Kamal, I have rep points, but Melissa points to my answers not being the best. So, which is it? Correlation isn't a cucumber either.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 15, 2012
at 06:00 PM

I didn't say that it was impossible for new people to ask sophisticated questions. It just seems fishy, that is all.

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D5c8768927c463b363b109f18b7c16c4

(375)

on January 15, 2012
at 11:00 AM

I was outraged by this as well, I wanted to address this in that answers comments, but had to go out. When I got back, this post was up. I'm glad the site doesn't approve of such a behaviour.

1
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 18, 2012
at 09:12 AM

I know a lot of peope here are busy adding commas and line breaks to other peoples post but I was just wondering if anyone wanted to edit the potatoe search tag? Hehe.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on January 18, 2012
at 09:32 AM

I agree that fixing tags is more important than adding line breaks and commas, etc. But I do edit spelling in *titles* because I think it makes the site look more "spiffy" for people who are just glancing at it. Kind of like: good public relations for paleo.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on January 18, 2012
at 09:31 AM

Warren D brings up a good point. That sort of mistake is *exactly* the kind of thing we can fix for each other. We all misspell things sometimes, but correcting spelling in **tags** is very helpful for the site because it helps us navigate between questions and answers. I have just fixed the tag Warren referred to.

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64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on January 14, 2012
at 08:19 PM

I'm surprised at the amount of edited questions.

I've only done it once, and that was because someone used the word irregardless, a pet peeve of mine and probably many others.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on January 14, 2012
at 11:41 PM

irregardles...ggggrrrrrr!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 14, 2012
at 10:09 PM

I should have been a proof-reader instead of a restoration technician Mis-spelled words irrigate me (piss me off). I mean no harm but rather mean to fix errors so others won't be distracted by them.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on January 15, 2012
at 01:07 AM

Thank goodness I rarely (ever? mabe once for tags?) edit posts. Cant throw stones when living in glas hous. My spelling is horendus :)

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

(1457)

on January 18, 2012
at 03:11 PM

So u guys mean I dont hav 2 check my speling or grammer 4 corectiness nemore? Sweet! Thnx in advncr for all the hardwrk u'll be doin ;)

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6f4042472049c09bf0339959a6e4b8f4

on January 14, 2012
at 08:10 PM

If you see misinformation, vote it down. Insert comments indicating what, specifically, is wrong. Even better — edit and improve the information!

Like Wikipedia, this site is collaboratively edited. If you are not comfortable with the idea of your questions and answers being edited by other trusted users, this may not be the site for you.

"Low carb diets basically trick your body into thinking its starving which lowers your metabolism." "Low carb diets allows your body to lower your metabolism, leading to increased longevity."

Equating standard fat metabolism to starvation is contentious at best and unnecessary to the answer except to advance a particular agenda. The link between longevity and caloric restriction is a well documented feature of discussions of the natural diet.

"Eating more carbohydrates typically raises the metabolism and allows more calories to be eaten." "Eating more carbohydrates typically requires them to be burned off immediately, raising the metabolism and allowing more calories to be eaten."

The physiological processes that speed the storage and/or usage of blood sugar aren't controversial. In keeping with Cliff's opinions, excess carbs are burned directly for energy rather than stored, thereby raising the metabolism.

I apologise that this has been seriously offensive, it was not the intent but a ban is certainly within the rights of the moderators. But please don't let this obscure the science on the benefits of a slower metabolism through paleo/low-carb caloric reduction.

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8f13b4dc437a8ceb35828c469a332a85

on January 15, 2012
at 10:17 AM

From the FAQ:

If you see misinformation, vote it down. Insert comments indicating what, specifically, is wrong. Even better ??? edit and improve the information!

Like Wikipedia, this site is collaboratively edited. If you are not comfortable with the idea of your questions and answers being edited by other trusted users, this may not be the site for you.

"Low carb diets basically trick your body into thinking its starving which lowers your metabolism." "Low carb diets allows your body to lower your metabolism, leading to increased longevity."

Equating standard fat metabolism to starvation is contentious at best and unnecessary to the answer except to advance a particular agenda. The link between longevity and caloric restriction is a well documented feature of discussions of the natural diet.

"Eating more carbohydrates typically raises the metabolism and allows more calories to be eaten." "Eating more carbohydrates typically requires them to be burned off immediately, raising the metabolism and allowing more calories to be eaten."

The physiological processes that speed the storage and/or usage of blood sugar aren't controversial. Excess carbs are burned directly for energy rather than stored, thereby raising the metabolism.

Why the witch hunt? Is this really just like all the other internet 'communities'?

If you don't agree with an edit to your answer, you can roll it back. There's no need to throw a tantrum, this is meant to be a mature process of finding the most informative and neutral answers to specific questions. Not a forum for championing personal views.

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5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on January 14, 2012
at 07:30 PM

I see no difference between the two answers.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 14, 2012
at 07:36 PM

Kasra, I see two annotations for trolling on your account already, so I would be careful. It may seem amusing to you to post sarcastic answers or links to "funny" sites as an answer, but such behavior is antisocial and unhelpful.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on January 15, 2012
at 01:52 PM

Yeah you're right, I apologize and totally take back everything I have said.

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