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whey vs. no whey?

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Created November 01, 2012 at 9:38 PM

i am a crossfiter and am thinking of using whey protein powder for getting in protein in the mornings and after working out. what are the guidlines or where does whey powder fit with paleo?

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on December 30, 2012
at 02:23 AM

Thanks everyone. I've decided to have whey powder when I want to gain more muscle.

C9e65b8cb739280cadd884c785d70922

on December 28, 2012
at 10:18 PM

@truithhrtys I never said I was paleo !!! I was for 2 years and yes I am saying that I could not eat my protein requirements to grow my muscle and lose weight but protein shakes as well as a high protein and low carb ( apart from workout times) helped

4a3611b0503cbc5ee14d8d1d566c7f44

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on December 28, 2012
at 07:22 PM

Please don't be rude. Calling someone an idiot is rude. Also, what's with your obsession about soccer moms?

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on November 03, 2012
at 02:35 PM

Also, whey protein isn't completely devoid of potentially detrimental parts of milk. You have to get isolate to avoid all of the lactose, and the OP didn't specify such.

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on November 03, 2012
at 02:09 PM

That's a poor counter-argument. If you're sensitive to the milk "nasties", then maybe you should just find another source of calories. Processed is processed, regardless of what macronutrients we're talking about. What about processed fats? Those aren't processed carbs, and they're even worse! Avoiding processed foods is a cornerstone of ancestral dieting. If you want to fit that into your personal diet, fine, but don't delude yourself that it's Paleo.

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on November 03, 2012
at 03:33 AM

Bastardizing? C'mon, processed protein =/= processed carbs. Processing milk into whey removes all the milk nasties.

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on November 02, 2012
at 03:51 AM

It's unnecessary, but whey is pretty innocent as far as non-paleo foods go. Whey powder is not paleo. Not even a little.

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on November 02, 2012
at 02:15 AM

Two flaws, and I'm a Cate fan. 1. She's assuming people are throwing down low-quality, garbage protein. It's a similar stance to eating horrible quality red meat. There are plenty of quality-sourced protein supplements available and there is a market for them 2. She's also coming at this from a "optimal health" position. As I had said before, for people who are trying to optimize life solely with diet and do not actively strength train, probably shouldn't consider any type of protein supplement. Eat the highest-quality, whole food protein possible.

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68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

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on November 02, 2012
at 01:43 AM

Depends on goals.

Wanting to put on weight, hit certain protein marks, don't feel like eating a ton after a workout? Whey is awesome.

Once a week, after a massive training session, I'm shooting for 300-350 grams of protein. I'll usually get 18-24 oz of grass-fed beef and 6-8 eggs. That's a massive quantity of food and it's only in the 230-260 gram range.

On these days, Whey is a great way to get that extra 40-80 grams both before and after training.

Obviously this doesn't apply to everyone, but I really do believe in some cases, it's completely unrealistic to try to consume that much whole protein. In-comparison, most Whey proteins are "cleaner" than eating a lot of collagen protein supplements often times found in supplements and most protein bars.

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F694fc245d03b64d6936ddb29f4c9306

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on November 02, 2012
at 01:37 AM

If you want to be strict about it, whey protein powder (and most shakes, for that matter) isn't Paleo. There's no way that taking a whole, natural food like milk and mechanically bastardizing it into a fine white powder fits into an ancestral eating platform. That being said, some people like it, and if it works for you, then fine. Fit it into the 20%.

I used to use it, but I stopped about 6 months ago. I try to avoid liquid calories in any form, because they tend to be absorbed extremely quickly and aren't as satiating as solid foods. Also, protein powder is more insulinogenic than pure sugar. It's just a huge burst of glucose and protein waiting to be converted into glucose. This also being said, if you're not insulin-resistant, then it's probably not a biggie.

E253f8ac1d139bf4d0bfb44debd1db21

on November 03, 2012
at 03:33 AM

Bastardizing? C'mon, processed protein =/= processed carbs. Processing milk into whey removes all the milk nasties.

F694fc245d03b64d6936ddb29f4c9306

(2613)

on November 03, 2012
at 02:09 PM

That's a poor counter-argument. If you're sensitive to the milk "nasties", then maybe you should just find another source of calories. Processed is processed, regardless of what macronutrients we're talking about. What about processed fats? Those aren't processed carbs, and they're even worse! Avoiding processed foods is a cornerstone of ancestral dieting. If you want to fit that into your personal diet, fine, but don't delude yourself that it's Paleo.

F694fc245d03b64d6936ddb29f4c9306

(2613)

on November 03, 2012
at 02:35 PM

Also, whey protein isn't completely devoid of potentially detrimental parts of milk. You have to get isolate to avoid all of the lactose, and the OP didn't specify such.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 27, 2012
at 11:56 PM

It is NOT Paleo. Not even close. No protein powder is paleo but if you have to use one stick with egg protein.

Ignore 90% of what you read hear. Most people here are atkins or soccer moms who can't hack paleo and keep "adding".

Make it easy- lean meats, vegie, fruits and nuts. Case closed.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 02, 2012
at 06:29 AM

Quality whey protein isolate (sans casein and lactose, which are problematic for some people) without artificial sweeteners and other fillers is an excellent source of protein.

Whey protein has a higher bioavailability than meat, chicken or eggs.

See article, PROTEIN ??? WHICH IS BEST?

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on November 02, 2012
at 02:10 AM

Dr. Cate Shanahan ( author of Deep Nutrition) suggests avoiding protein powders. "Simply refining the protein away from its source turns normal, healthy amino acids into harmful compounds." She is an advocate of real, whole foods. I make "smoothies" with whole, pastured (yes raw) eggs instead.

68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

(5795)

on November 02, 2012
at 02:15 AM

Two flaws, and I'm a Cate fan. 1. She's assuming people are throwing down low-quality, garbage protein. It's a similar stance to eating horrible quality red meat. There are plenty of quality-sourced protein supplements available and there is a market for them 2. She's also coming at this from a "optimal health" position. As I had said before, for people who are trying to optimize life solely with diet and do not actively strength train, probably shouldn't consider any type of protein supplement. Eat the highest-quality, whole food protein possible.

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C9e65b8cb739280cadd884c785d70922

on December 28, 2012
at 01:44 AM

If you are going paleo to build muscle it's probably not the best way but if you are doing paleo because you want that lifestyle -go for it . My guess it depends on your goals. Paleo did not meet my needs in terms of muscle growth and shakes were the answer and as I am female it's a lot harder for me to build muscle ( before all you cave men blast at me about how easy it is on paleo!!) go go back and ask yourself what are your goals they might be mutually exclusive !

C9e65b8cb739280cadd884c785d70922

on December 28, 2012
at 10:18 PM

@truithhrtys I never said I was paleo !!! I was for 2 years and yes I am saying that I could not eat my protein requirements to grow my muscle and lose weight but protein shakes as well as a high protein and low carb ( apart from workout times) helped

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on December 28, 2012
at 01:14 AM

I use whey because its not always practical to have real food on me before/after exercise. The main thing is finding an organice, grass fed sourced whey that's non-denatured (basically meaning the manufacturing process hasn't destroyed the whey)

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on November 02, 2012
at 01:30 AM

I am so disappointed whether Wayne or Garth was more paleo....

I am in the pro-whey camp. After I workout I am just not hungry. And if I don't drink my protein shake, I won't consume anything -- eating post-workout just makes me feel sick! So for me it gives me a good source of fat and protein that I can consume right after workouts which is better than not consuming anything.

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on November 01, 2012
at 11:08 PM

it makes no difference what so ever, a nice piece of chicken breast would do the same. the only difference is whey is an easy and quick way to get to your protein goals!

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on November 01, 2012
at 10:23 PM

I'm with you. I see no problem with the protein supplements, and use them after each workout. Just check out the ingredients to make sure you're comfortable ingesting everything involved. The recovery aspect is worth it!

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on November 01, 2012
at 09:57 PM

People may not nescessarily agree with me on this, but I use a recovery drink of 100% Apple Juice and Whey. I do not add glucosomine as some suggest because I am not normally working out for longer than an hour or two (I do not want the calories). If you are a serious athelete you may want to look at your protine intake and make sure you are at the correct levels for your size and work out routines. I need like 149 grams per day at the level I am training right now. I don't see any big issues with whey.

And the recovery drink has made a world of difference in my training!

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 28, 2012
at 02:53 AM

Girlonamission - Are you sure you are paleo? Or one of these soccer mom fools who eat gallons of butter and cocoa because some goof here said it's paleo?

Are you telling me a diet in rib eye steak, fillet Mignon and chicken breast won't increase muscle mass? You are an idiot. I had t scale down my work outs because I was getting Lesnar sized and XXL was not teh size I wanted to wear. So just STFU.

4a3611b0503cbc5ee14d8d1d566c7f44

(124)

on December 28, 2012
at 07:22 PM

Please don't be rude. Calling someone an idiot is rude. Also, what's with your obsession about soccer moms?

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