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Pre-Workout Supplement....

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 16, 2010 at 3:43 PM

So I have been doing paleo for about a month now, but I make a few exceptions: my workout supplements. I am currently using a cycle of N.O. Explode: Black Powder for a pre-workout, but I'm looking for something more natural to replace it with.

Anyone use any pre-workout supplement for energy and harder lifts?

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on September 27, 2011
at 01:12 PM

After about one year of trying different pre-WO strategies I found no real difference in how I think I perform going in either fasted in the LG16/8 fashion, or going in with some combo of protein and fat in me about two hours pre. Which means that I go in fasted now. I just like feeling really empty while I'm under the bar. Afterwards I eat.

B124653b19ee9dd438710a38954ed4a3

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on September 27, 2011
at 11:41 AM

how did it work out?

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on April 06, 2011
at 02:05 PM

last sentence was great, ha ha

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on February 17, 2011
at 11:41 AM

After food if possible, with food if not.

C2502365891cbcc8af2d1cf1d7b0e9fc

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on February 17, 2011
at 01:48 AM

I like to have a few drinks with the boys after football training. Where would you recommend timing that in relation to the cool down and the feast?

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on February 11, 2011
at 04:30 PM

I used it all @ one time (probably @ the same time too!). Since transitioning to paleo I have found that I don't need a pre-workout supplement to increase my energy. I train for strongman and need to be amped at every workout and I have had no shortage of 'amp'. If you feel like you need something I would say try L-citrulline. It is an amino acid, and can be found here: http://www.easycart.net/BeyondACenturyInc.//Aminos_A-L.html#0105 Peace, brother

Ddb0e3a41f15d69d30677339ccf9c7b6

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on September 18, 2010
at 08:26 PM

Haha, well, it's my first and only cycle of it. I usually use SuperPump250, but like I said, trying to go a more natural route. Seems that caffeine is the best choice. Probably finish this cycle, though.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 17, 2010
at 05:12 PM

Pre paleo I tried "Go Explode" ... Didn't improve my performance more than caffeine, but explosive restroom performance. Pass

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 16, 2010
at 06:40 PM

The natural method is steak ;)

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 16, 2010
at 06:36 PM

Poliquin wants to sell you everything he recommends tho

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 16, 2010
at 06:35 PM

http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html

1a8020e101199de55c1b3b726f342321

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on September 16, 2010
at 04:32 PM

Poliquin's been recommending pre-workout BCAA's for years

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

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on September 16, 2010
at 04:30 PM

There is no empirical evidence that creatine leads to hair loss. The assumption is that it raises base testosterone levels which creates a higher DHT turnover that results in male pattern baldness. BUT, working out generally causes raises in testosterone; very inconclusive evidence.

Ddb0e3a41f15d69d30677339ccf9c7b6

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on September 16, 2010
at 04:17 PM

I actually used to use Purple Wraath. Is that more natural, though? lol

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on September 16, 2010
at 04:11 PM

Leangains recommends BCAA for pre-workout? Interesting. I always thought it is to be used for recovery. Do you have a link to that?

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on September 16, 2010
at 04:01 PM

It's great. You take it 30 min before your workout, holding it under your tongue for 10 sec. Sometimes I can literally feel it working.

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on September 16, 2010
at 03:57 PM

Actually, I am currently supplementing with creatine now (in cycles); more for gains, than energy. I'm using pills, though, so maybe I'll check out the liquid; I'm sure it's easier for your body to absorb.

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B4aa2df25a6bf17d22556667ff896170

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on September 16, 2010
at 04:16 PM

i use purple wrath as well. The beta alanine in it helps, which most bcaa supplements dont have. Creatine is helpful but can also lead to hair loss (im serious, look it up) which is why I avoid it. Caffeine is probably the best pre workout supplement in my opinion. There are drinks out there geared towards working out.. ive heard good things about biotest preworkout surge.. but coffee works for me

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

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on September 16, 2010
at 04:30 PM

There is no empirical evidence that creatine leads to hair loss. The assumption is that it raises base testosterone levels which creates a higher DHT turnover that results in male pattern baldness. BUT, working out generally causes raises in testosterone; very inconclusive evidence.

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on February 11, 2011
at 08:51 AM

Caffeine, BCAAs, sniffing smelling salts, a scoop of whey, or some coconut oil for MCTs.

A hard slap can do wonders too.

Imagine Grok in pain and fighting for his life - workouts should be this intense.

4d10a09dadeb266681418f5fe06c3f00

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on April 06, 2011
at 02:05 PM

last sentence was great, ha ha

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9d741bcbe702044635f2ce3078043054

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on September 17, 2010
at 05:08 PM

Two really big glasses of water for me.

I read about that NO Explode stuff. Looks scary to me. You're putting some potent s**t into your body, and I'm not sure anyone understands what it's doing.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 17, 2010
at 05:12 PM

Pre paleo I tried "Go Explode" ... Didn't improve my performance more than caffeine, but explosive restroom performance. Pass

Ddb0e3a41f15d69d30677339ccf9c7b6

(513)

on September 18, 2010
at 08:26 PM

Haha, well, it's my first and only cycle of it. I usually use SuperPump250, but like I said, trying to go a more natural route. Seems that caffeine is the best choice. Probably finish this cycle, though.

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4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

on September 16, 2010
at 03:59 PM

Pre workout: Water and a little caffeine. Train hard fully fasted for Autophagy.

Post workout when you body has cooled down, then feast on whole foods.

BCAA's impede Autophagy.

Creatine is better post workout with your feast if you're taking it.

Edited to represent a better understanding of impact On autophagy. Recovery remains great with post workout feasts, no supplements.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 16, 2010
at 06:35 PM

http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

(3761)

on September 16, 2010
at 04:11 PM

Leangains recommends BCAA for pre-workout? Interesting. I always thought it is to be used for recovery. Do you have a link to that?

Ddb0e3a41f15d69d30677339ccf9c7b6

(513)

on September 16, 2010
at 04:17 PM

I actually used to use Purple Wraath. Is that more natural, though? lol

1a8020e101199de55c1b3b726f342321

(1973)

on September 16, 2010
at 04:32 PM

Poliquin's been recommending pre-workout BCAA's for years

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on September 16, 2010
at 06:40 PM

The natural method is steak ;)

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on September 16, 2010
at 06:36 PM

Poliquin wants to sell you everything he recommends tho

C2502365891cbcc8af2d1cf1d7b0e9fc

(2437)

on February 17, 2011
at 01:48 AM

I like to have a few drinks with the boys after football training. Where would you recommend timing that in relation to the cool down and the feast?

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on February 17, 2011
at 11:41 AM

After food if possible, with food if not.

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Fbbbdf1d0a7d6d5067a106af062c7ce6

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on February 11, 2011
at 05:05 PM

  • Caffeine
  • Vitamin B50 or B100 complex
  • Lecithin

Reasoning? Caffeine, for reasons I don't need to state, as it's a proven ergogenic. Lecithin adds phosphatidyl choline, which is converted to acetylcholine---essential for the stimulant effects of caffeine to work properly. The B complex helps with conversion of fats/carbs to energy via the Kreb's cycle, and some also act as nootropics.

Been my cocktail of choice for years.

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on February 11, 2011
at 04:15 PM

Granted I'm only 6 workouts in with it but I've shifted from 3 hardboiled eggs 2 hours PreWO to totally fasted with 4 scoops of Xtend. Its got fakesugar but its a self experiment to see if i can rock the sixpack before summer gets us.

PostWO one to 1.5 pounds baked sweet potato and about 12 ounces roast beef.

The workout im referring to is starting strength heavy resistance training.

B124653b19ee9dd438710a38954ed4a3

(1634)

on September 27, 2011
at 11:41 AM

how did it work out?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on September 27, 2011
at 01:12 PM

After about one year of trying different pre-WO strategies I found no real difference in how I think I perform going in either fasted in the LG16/8 fashion, or going in with some combo of protein and fat in me about two hours pre. Which means that I go in fasted now. I just like feeling really empty while I'm under the bar. Afterwards I eat.

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C89241e7ae7599e04473f415be107152

on February 11, 2011
at 09:37 AM

I take rhodiola 110 and endurance cubes to energize my workouts...more natural stuff than what you would find at vitamin world or GNC

http://www.amway.com/portinpacific/Shop/Product/Category.aspx?dsnav=N:4294966628

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on February 11, 2011
at 09:15 AM

Before I went Paleo I used to use NO-SHOTGUN...which I guess worked quite well but really I am sure this was mostly down to the stimulants it contains.

I mostly workout fasted now, sometimes after a cup of coffee and rarely I will have a tablespoon of coconut oil. Of course I drink water throughout my workout. I love the feeling of being 'light'. The idea of chugging down a bunch of chemicals makes me feel nauseous now, and artificial sweeteners taste really bad to me.

It was mentioned in one of the posts about what to do PWO that unless you are an elite athlete or bodybuilder, the differences are probably very minor. Of course I can understand the need for a 'kick' before you work out (I exercise in the morning, usually very early so this is a familiar thing for me too) - but a cup of coffee solves this.

You could try a cup of coffee with a tablespoon of coconut oil / MCT oil? I have mixed the two in the past and got a good buzz. Either that or perhaps something like pemmican if you have access to it?

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on February 11, 2011
at 03:07 AM

Somewhat kidding, but somewhat serious here. Just the thought of using products named as absurdly as these are makes me wonder "WTF?". Trust me, I've taken protein powders, creatine and other supplements before (am currently trying BCAAs for the first time) but anything with an ingredient list that looks like a page out of an encyclodepia cannot be all that "good" for a person.

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Bc6aa0b0bcf04c9d937c4393262db8e5

on February 11, 2011
at 12:17 AM

I've been good with MUSCLEPHARM ASSAULT

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A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

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on September 16, 2010
at 03:49 PM

I have had some success with pure creatine monohydrate (in liquid form). It's natural, your body produces it, and it gives a little extra "oomph" on those tough workouts, and heavy lifts. I'm not an expert, but I know creatine maximizes the use of ATP in your muscles. Here's a helpful website if you're interested: http://www.creatinemonohydrate.net/creatine_background_2.html

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

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on September 16, 2010
at 04:01 PM

It's great. You take it 30 min before your workout, holding it under your tongue for 10 sec. Sometimes I can literally feel it working.

Ddb0e3a41f15d69d30677339ccf9c7b6

(513)

on September 16, 2010
at 03:57 PM

Actually, I am currently supplementing with creatine now (in cycles); more for gains, than energy. I'm using pills, though, so maybe I'll check out the liquid; I'm sure it's easier for your body to absorb.

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