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Undenatured Whey Protein vs Whey Protein Isolate

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Created April 05, 2011 at 3:49 PM

I know whey protein is in the paleo gray-area, but when it comes to muscle growth and repair it's hard to beat. Is anyone knowledgeable about the differences/benefits between whey protein isolate vs undenatured whey protein? I have heard that undenatured whey is micorfiltered and not heated so the protein stays in tact, and has benefits that include boosting glutathione levels in the body....but are there any other reasons that undenatured whey is better than a plain old whey isolate? Or is whey protein isolate better for any reason?

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on January 31, 2014
at 10:10 PM

I am an independent consultant for a health and wellness company that has protein powders that are made with pea, cranberry and rice proteins (plant-based) and there is no whey, gluten, or animal-by products. If you want more info. send me an email puresafewellness@yahoo.com

I'd be happy to give you an ingredient listing and send you a sample.

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on January 05, 2014
at 01:20 AM

Are you still searching for an undenatured whey free of pesticides, antibiotics, soy, artificial sweeteners, fillers, colors, addititives etc?

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on September 15, 2013
at 04:28 PM

I never noticed any benefits from CLA supplements specifically. Went through 3 bottles of the stuff, no change. Perhaps CLA from actual grassfed meat makes a difference, but then I don't have a way of separating it out from the meat to test it specifically against other components in grassfed meat.

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on June 20, 2013
at 03:57 PM

just seeing this. Most valuable part of your answer is your keen insight on pasteurization. Man. I've been scouring that internet to try to find out what that word meant. Thanks so much for clarifying. As for your "whey protein comes from cheese".. well that can be true, but doesnt have to be the case. I have made pure whey from raw milk on my countertop in my own home. Takes a few days. So, um, there's always that. Many whey proteins on the market are made from raw milk. After re-reading through your stupid answer littered with immature verbiage, I must say you fail, mr personal trainer dude.

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on May 07, 2013
at 04:15 PM

Update: Bluebonnet now lists Soy Lecithin in the original flavor as well. I inquired via email and a rep confirmed it. She also said they are going to put out a soy free original flavor using sunflower lecithin instead of soy.

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on February 14, 2013
at 03:43 AM

proserum, non-denatured is all Ive been recommended from chiropractors...

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on August 27, 2012
at 03:30 PM

Hi jj - the original flavor of bluebonnet doesn't say that. as for Whey Factors... I can't find their ingredient listing. And the one they put out that says "ingredients" can't possible be true. It's chocolate flavored, and mentions nothing to indicate that in that "ingredient" list. Very strange.

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on August 27, 2012
at 01:42 PM

I just checked out the BlueBonnet and it says it "Contains: Milk, Soybeans"... makes me wonder if they put soy lecithin in it? Jack, what do you think about Whey Factors 100% Natural? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003FO6U6Q/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B003FO6U6Q&linkCode=as2&tag=space001-20

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 26, 2012
at 03:25 AM

Yep, poo protein is just around the corner. Gut bacteria (what poo is mostly composed of) have lots to do with how you absorb nutrients.

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on August 25, 2012
at 10:49 PM

Hey, you mad bro?

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on August 21, 2012
at 07:36 PM

I have a hard time taking someone who uses the word "BRO" seriously. Just reminds me of the stupid kids who hang out in front of the beer store asking the adults "Can you get me a six pack bro".

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 14, 2012
at 02:14 PM

You obviously didn't understand what I meant by "a placebo for people that believe that they can't get enough good quulity protein from simply eating real food"

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on June 14, 2012
at 02:07 PM

Go figure, because it seems nobody cares about your opinion either. My point is that you did not contribute any value to the discussion. Nitpicking semantics to be "right" is annoying so my defense is in the integrity of the discussion, nothing personal. BTW if you want to have a who's right contest, whey protein is not a placebo because it actually accomplishes what it's meant to do physiologically. I'm guessing you don't really know much about it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 07, 2012
at 03:35 PM

I don't care about your opinion of my post. If you want to guzzle down whey protein, just go ahead. I don't mind. I was just explaining that it isn't a grey area. I don't know why you have to get so defensive about it?

E8022f05c250e19a65b92207dd1630ca

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on June 07, 2012
at 03:05 PM

Thanks paleo police. This contributed nothing to the discussion. Yes, whey protein is not paleo but it has some proven health benefits and it's an easy go-to if you're in a pinch. It isn't just body-builders that use it for recovery, undenatured whey has been shown to boost immune function by boosting serum glutathione. I agree with you that people should spend more time getting good quality foods in their body but that's not what this discussion is about.

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on June 05, 2012
at 05:28 AM

Whey protein is going to do no more to combat the stresses of toxins than fresh food.

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on June 05, 2012
at 03:44 AM

Good luck with that. Lecithin is added to the vast majority of whey proteins to instantize them (make them dissolve quickly in water). Most of the whey proteins I've seen that specifically contain no soy lecithin contain sunflower lecithin instead. I did, however, find this one with egg lecithin: http://proteinfactory.com/shop/soy-free-whey-protein/

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on April 23, 2012
at 12:25 AM

Hi Christie-- just to note, in case you come back here, you will likely be suspended or worse for self-promotion. See the FAQ for more details...

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on February 27, 2012
at 11:03 PM

what about CLA????? who takes protein powder for CLA? Maybe discussing the additional benefits in the actual meat of an animal things like CLA would come up, but certainly not in powder.

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on February 23, 2012
at 06:27 PM

Actually it's not just the fat where corn and soy leave their signature. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=that-burger-youre-eating-is-mostly-corn

E8022f05c250e19a65b92207dd1630ca

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:10 AM

All I can say is wow. Thanks for covering this one Jack.

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on January 18, 2012
at 02:38 PM

Really? This was their response to me..."The soy lecithin is used in the agglomeration process to instantize the whey to enable to stir into liquids, it is a minute amount, as whey needs a lipid to keep it from flying asunder when opened as well." The question I asked was, "Your whey protein isolate does not list soy lecithin in the ingredients, but the label says "Other ingredients: Undenatured whey protein isolate, natural vanilla flavor. Contains: Milk, soybeans". What form of soy is in the whey protein isolate that the label would have to list soybeans in the contents?"

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on January 05, 2012
at 08:11 PM

No disrespect to you either, but you don't make a very strong case for your point. *"have some pasta and drink water"*? Seriously? You can also try to get all essential vitamins and minerals from food and forego all supplements. But does that mean anyone who takes any supplements is clueless and wasting their time/money? *"Muscles can get big and have gotten big with out any of that fake crap"*. Obviously, but that wasn't the point of this question. Leaping to a conclusion from one true statement doesn't always guarantee you have leaped to a sound conclusion. Oh, and welcome to PaleoHacks :)

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on January 05, 2012
at 07:51 PM

what about CLA?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on January 05, 2012
at 07:50 PM

Their response: *"There is no soy lecithin in the Whey Protein Isolate, however the Dual Action does have a bit of soy lecithin."*

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on January 05, 2012
at 07:50 PM

My emailed question to Bluebonnet: *"The ingredients do not list soy lecithin. Can you please confirm whether or not it has soy lecithin in it at all?"*

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on December 12, 2011
at 08:04 PM

I think that guy sells a lot of really weirdo stuff on his website. I think if dozens of companies were all making blatant false claims about cold filtering whey protein that they probably wouldn't get away with it for too long. Thanks for the link CP.

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on December 12, 2011
at 08:03 PM

I think that guy sells a lot of really weirdo stuff on his website. I think if dozens of companies were all making blatant false claims about cold filtering whey protein that they probably wouldn't get away with it for too long. Thanks for he link CP.

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on December 12, 2011
at 06:19 PM

Jack: How would you respond to this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huI2rLVYjt0&lr=1&user=proteinfactory

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on September 15, 2011
at 02:24 AM

That's where I usually get my protein. Decent prices for quality protein.

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on August 19, 2011
at 05:55 PM

Thanks Jack! Just the information I was looking for.

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on June 27, 2011
at 09:29 PM

hey thanks jack. im still on ON nutrition's but i'll check the bluebonnet when i re up. I've def read good things about their vitamin sourcing, etc.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on June 27, 2011
at 08:08 PM

haha! "You can't take hm serious style." Nice one. Welcome to PH Nazarath. Post a pic of yourself or I will just assume that I can toss you 10 feet with my scrawny body! lol. Oh and I take isolate myself now, but the concentrate is not fake.

E8022f05c250e19a65b92207dd1630ca

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on April 08, 2011
at 07:06 PM

What are opinions of the product Whey to Go by Solgar http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=SL-2308 It says microfiltered, no RBGH cows, no artificial sweeteners and reasonable price

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 06, 2011
at 02:15 PM

I have been using Whey Cool for PWO drink for about 6 months. I recently switched due to price only because I found myself limiting the amount I was willing to consume. It's $60 for 30 servings. Compare that to other options and you can see that Whey Cool is pretty expensive. Right now I am using True Whey from Source Naturals and just tripple scooping the serving for 24g per PWO shake. http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-True-Whey-Premium-Protein-Powder-16-oz-453-59-g/8180?at=0. Still much less expensive than Whey Cool for nearly the same product.

E8022f05c250e19a65b92207dd1630ca

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on April 06, 2011
at 12:38 PM

Cool thanks Doc

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on April 06, 2011
at 02:51 AM

whey cool is the whey we were talking about. I asked Chris today and this was the answer.

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on April 06, 2011
at 01:52 AM

Awesome Jack, this is very helpful thanks!

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on April 05, 2011
at 06:16 PM

+1! That looks like a really good deal. And kudos for compressing all the pertinent info into a single answer. I've been wondering about this and whey-related issues for a long time now.

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Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 05, 2011
at 04:33 PM

I've done quite a bit of research on this because Paleo or not, I do take whey protein at this time.

There's a fierce divide on this in the bodybuilding community. The vast majority of bodybuilders (especially the big guns) use the isolate because it is more concentrated protein. They also call it more 'pure', but that seems like a poke in the eye to the folks who claim that the concentrate is inherently more pure. This is because the protein isolates have gone through more processing that includes high heat and usually some acidic compounds. So when people say that isolates are more 'pure', they are really referring to the fact that isolates are just higher in protein content. So to use it in a casual sentence, it would be something like "Whey protein isolate is basically pure protein." And that is true. Isolates are usually in the 90-94% protein content range, while high quality concentrates most normally fall in at about the 75-80% range.

Non-denatured whey concentrate is technically more "pure" in reality, taking the literal meaning of the word. The cold processing is less brutal and many people report better digestion and absorption with concentrate because it is techincally concentrated whole proteins, versus isolated amino acids. The reason some people believe concentrate is not worth the money is because it has less actual grams of protein per ounce of powder. This is because a small portion of the concentrate is still the milk lactose. (really not that much though).

I believe the food quality of the cold processed whey protein concentrate is more natural (even though it is still processed into a powder) than the isolates variety. I like the fact that the cold processing of concentrate allows some of the beneficial bacteria to remain active. This also significantly boosts levels of the master antioxidant glutathione. As a bit of a side note, many of the concentrate options out there are made from grass fed cows, and while the fat of grass fed cows is where the goods are, the protein concentrate still does retain some of the naturally occurring CLA, which assists in developing lean muscle mass and shedding tummy flab. It worked for me. I am not necessarily against isolates though, as many people have experienced great results with that option as well. There is only one brand I know of that makes a non-denatured Isolate compound with no fillers or additives (in their non flavored version). I may try this one day. NutraBio..

UPDATE--> Nevermind on the NutraBio. I found that it does actually contain soy lecithin. It's not the worst choice for an isolates mix, but I now take BlueBonnet whey protein isolate - Original Flavor. It met all of the same criteria that I liked about the concentrate except much more reasonably priced. It's cold processed using no chemicals and/or dyes. It's grass-fed and has only 2 ingredients: whey protein isolates and vanilla. No soy lecithin. No sweeteners. No gums. It's also a great deal and tastes amazingly good.

Cheers!

(in case you missed it, check out the new answer from "Naz" below --> hilarious. "Jack is whack" haha +1.)

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on March 27, 2015
at 03:01 AM

Thanks for the thorough analysis. I'm going to try the BlueBonnet.

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on November 12, 2014
at 05:28 PM

Hey jack if you are interest their actually is a great ahead out there with undenatured 100% grass fed cows from New Zealand that I absolutely love. You can PM me if interested! My number is 423-794-8595

E8022f05c250e19a65b92207dd1630ca

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on April 06, 2011
at 01:52 AM

Awesome Jack, this is very helpful thanks!

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on April 05, 2011
at 06:16 PM

+1! That looks like a really good deal. And kudos for compressing all the pertinent info into a single answer. I've been wondering about this and whey-related issues for a long time now.

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on June 27, 2011
at 09:29 PM

hey thanks jack. im still on ON nutrition's but i'll check the bluebonnet when i re up. I've def read good things about their vitamin sourcing, etc.

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on August 19, 2011
at 05:55 PM

Thanks Jack! Just the information I was looking for.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on December 12, 2011
at 08:03 PM

I think that guy sells a lot of really weirdo stuff on his website. I think if dozens of companies were all making blatant false claims about cold filtering whey protein that they probably wouldn't get away with it for too long. Thanks for he link CP.

5de6c215713504a05f8578c59753d8a8

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on December 12, 2011
at 06:19 PM

Jack: How would you respond to this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huI2rLVYjt0&lr=1&user=proteinfactory

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on December 12, 2011
at 08:04 PM

I think that guy sells a lot of really weirdo stuff on his website. I think if dozens of companies were all making blatant false claims about cold filtering whey protein that they probably wouldn't get away with it for too long. Thanks for the link CP.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on August 27, 2012
at 03:30 PM

Hi jj - the original flavor of bluebonnet doesn't say that. as for Whey Factors... I can't find their ingredient listing. And the one they put out that says "ingredients" can't possible be true. It's chocolate flavored, and mentions nothing to indicate that in that "ingredient" list. Very strange.

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on August 27, 2012
at 01:42 PM

I just checked out the BlueBonnet and it says it "Contains: Milk, Soybeans"... makes me wonder if they put soy lecithin in it? Jack, what do you think about Whey Factors 100% Natural? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003FO6U6Q/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B003FO6U6Q&linkCode=as2&tag=space001-20

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on May 07, 2013
at 04:15 PM

Update: Bluebonnet now lists Soy Lecithin in the original flavor as well. I inquired via email and a rep confirmed it. She also said they are going to put out a soy free original flavor using sunflower lecithin instead of soy.

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on January 05, 2012
at 07:06 PM

"It's grass-fed"

Not a slam but I just wanted to comment. Whey protein from an animal has a predetermined amino acid sequence which will not, can not, and shall not be changed by its diet. It is biologically impossible to tell the difference between grass-fed,grain-fed, or garbage fed animals with regards to their amino acid profile.

The difference is solely in the fat of the animal with regards to the types of acids present.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on January 05, 2012
at 07:51 PM

what about CLA?

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on February 23, 2012
at 06:27 PM

Actually it's not just the fat where corn and soy leave their signature. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=that-burger-youre-eating-is-mostly-corn

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on February 27, 2012
at 11:03 PM

what about CLA????? who takes protein powder for CLA? Maybe discussing the additional benefits in the actual meat of an animal things like CLA would come up, but certainly not in powder.

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on September 15, 2013
at 04:28 PM

I never noticed any benefits from CLA supplements specifically. Went through 3 bottles of the stuff, no change. Perhaps CLA from actual grassfed meat makes a difference, but then I don't have a way of separating it out from the meat to test it specifically against other components in grassfed meat.

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on September 14, 2011
at 05:16 PM

check out the protein factory. Sale on mix of isolate and concentrate from grass fed austrailian cows. very reasonable.

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on September 15, 2011
at 02:24 AM

That's where I usually get my protein. Decent prices for quality protein.

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on April 23, 2012
at 12:16 AM

Personally, on the very rare occassion that I do consume whey, I use the fully denatured Isolate b/c all I want is the amino acid profile and none of the bovine growth factors.

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on June 27, 2011
at 08:03 PM

What silly speech goes on here. Listen to what bodybuilders do take the isolate. Jack is whack with that teenage scrawny body, you cant takes hm serious style. Jack, go be a real man and put down the fake protein bro.

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Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on June 27, 2011
at 08:08 PM

haha! "You can't take hm serious style." Nice one. Welcome to PH Nazarath. Post a pic of yourself or I will just assume that I can toss you 10 feet with my scrawny body! lol. Oh and I take isolate myself now, but the concentrate is not fake.

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on August 21, 2012
at 07:36 PM

I have a hard time taking someone who uses the word "BRO" seriously. Just reminds me of the stupid kids who hang out in front of the beer store asking the adults "Can you get me a six pack bro".

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on April 05, 2011
at 05:00 PM

Master john posted a company that had whey that was completely unprocessed but quite pricey... I'll look up the name when I get home

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on April 06, 2011
at 12:38 PM

Cool thanks Doc

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 06, 2011
at 02:15 PM

I have been using Whey Cool for PWO drink for about 6 months. I recently switched due to price only because I found myself limiting the amount I was willing to consume. It's $60 for 30 servings. Compare that to other options and you can see that Whey Cool is pretty expensive. Right now I am using True Whey from Source Naturals and just tripple scooping the serving for 24g per PWO shake. http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-True-Whey-Premium-Protein-Powder-16-oz-453-59-g/8180?at=0. Still much less expensive than Whey Cool for nearly the same product.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on April 06, 2011
at 02:51 AM

whey cool is the whey we were talking about. I asked Chris today and this was the answer.

E8022f05c250e19a65b92207dd1630ca

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on April 08, 2011
at 07:06 PM

What are opinions of the product Whey to Go by Solgar http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=SL-2308 It says microfiltered, no RBGH cows, no artificial sweeteners and reasonable price

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on January 05, 2014
at 01:19 AM

@reburns Are you still looking for an undenatured protein?

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Ca3c83a2ce9e7c61c1f9c1dd2b533db3

on December 10, 2013
at 11:39 PM

Body Builders will benefit more by using undenatured Whey Protein. Remember more is not better, not better at all. So taking more grams of protein Isolate does not necessarily mean the body is absorbing more. Why use something that will be lacking in nutrient when there is an a better option that is often times just as cost effective or better.

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on December 10, 2013
at 11:36 PM

How can you benefit from using Isagenix IsaPro? More studies are revealing how important protein is for satiety, as well as muscle growth and maintenance. It was found that individuals who add leucine-rich protein, like whey protein, to their diet have more lean muscle tissue and lose more body fat. Protein is also vital to overcoming weight-loss plateaus. Another benefit of the whey in IsaPro? It also works as an antioxidant to support the body’s immune system.

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Ca3c83a2ce9e7c61c1f9c1dd2b533db3

on December 10, 2013
at 11:35 PM

It is all about how Whey Protein is Processed or NOT :) undenatured Why Protein is superior to Whey Protein Isolate. Here is why.

Undenatured whey Protein is not "Isolate" Think about that word isolate. Most shakes or protein powders are protein Isolate, they have been treated with high heats and acid to extract the protein. Using this process changes the food from it's natural form, stripping it of many nutrients. Often times synthetics are added back in and this is no longer considered to be whole natural food, Undenatured Whey Protein is cold pressed through a membrane leaving all nutrients in tact including important branch chain amino acids vital to our health. The undenatured whey protein is considered whole food; because of this the body recognizes it as whole food so the absorption rate is much higher. Just like synthetic vitamins the body does not absorb as much nutrients from synthetic or altered foods. Example typically the body will only absorb about 17% of a synthetic vitamin but ill absorb apprx 82% of an all natural (careful) vegetable based vitamin. Same goes for proteins. The absorption rate will be much higher from the undenatured whey than it will be from a high percent protein that is from isolate. Fresh wholefood is Paleo so combining Undenatured whey is a great way to get our needed protein and can enhance those who practice Paleo diets, not to mention it is very convenient and cost effective. Isagenix Protein shakes and protein powder are the best you can get, they are from New Zealans a GMO free country so the whey comes from grass fed cows, with no GMO feed, no hormones no Soy proteins, no synthetics etc. and it is cruelty free always. The cows are not kept perpetually pregnant, they are milked seasonally only.

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Ca3c83a2ce9e7c61c1f9c1dd2b533db3

on December 10, 2013
at 11:32 PM

How can you benefit from using Isagenix IsaPro? More studies are revealing how important protein is for satiety, as well as muscle growth and maintenance. It was found that individuals who add leucine-rich protein, like whey protein, to their diet have more lean muscle tissue and lose more body fat. Protein is also vital to overcoming weight-loss plateaus. Another benefit of the whey in IsaPro? It also works as an antioxidant to support the body’s immune system.

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It is all about how the Whey Protein is processed of NOT :)

Paleo his whole natural food. Undenatred whey Protein is not "Isolate" Think about that word isolate. Most shakes or protein powders are protein Isolate, they have been treated with high heats and acid to extract the protein. Using this process changes the food from it's natural form, stripping it of many nutrients. Often times synthetics are added back in and this is no longer considered to be whole natural food, Undenatured Whey Protein is cold pressed through a membrane leaving all nutrients in tact including important branch chain amino acids vital to our health. The undenatured whey protein is considered whole food; because of this the body recognizes it as whole food so the absorption rate is much higher. Just like synthetic vitamins the body does not absorb as much nutrients from synthetic or altered foods. Example typically the body will only absorb about 17% of a synthetic vitamin but ill absorb apprx 82% of an all natural (careful) vegetable based vitamin. Same goes for proteins. The absorption rate will be much higher from the undenatured whey than it will be from a high percent protein that is from isolate. Fresh wholefood is Paleo so combining Undenatured whey is a great way to get our needed protein and can enhance those who practice Paleo diets, not to mention it is very convenient and cost effective. Isagenix Protein shakes and protein powder are the best you can get, they are from New Zealans a GMO free country so the whey comes from grass fed cows, with no GMO feed, no hormones no Soy proteins, no synthetics etc. and it is cruelty free always. The cows are not kept perpetually pregnant, they are milked seasonally only.

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on September 11, 2013
at 09:01 AM

@reburnsTry Isagenix IsaLean or IsaLean Pro, they make powder shakes that are dairy free and use undenatured whey protien. I use the dairy free berry harvest one every day. The IsaLean are for weight loss and lean muscle building, they are lower calorie than the IsaLean Pro which is for weight maintenance or athletic performance. They have a lot of other items that are great for a healthy lifestyle. Check them out at Isaproduct.com or my site at http://jasonsnyder.isagenix.com/us/en/landing_cfl.html# to order. If you sign up with me for a $29 annual fee you get a 30% discount off retail price, or you can just order retail and not worry about a being required to make monthly auto ship order. If you have questions about the products or want to sign up just use my contact info on the site.

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on February 14, 2013
at 02:05 AM

Try "Whey Factors" by Natural Factors 100% Natural Whey non-denatured

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on December 22, 2012
at 10:46 PM

For great undenatured whey isolate, you can't beat Prolacta from Lactalis. This is a WPI that is extracted directly from skim milk via microfiltration first to separate the casein from the whey protein, lactose and ash. It is then ultrafiltered to separate the whey protein from the lactose and ash to create a concentrated source of whey protein. The whey protein only goes through a single pasteurization step and is not derived from a cheese making process. Lactalis sells it in bulk form and it is not instantized. The only retail source that I'm aware of is the Protein Factory and they buy it from Lactalis and have it instantized before selling it to the consumer. They also sell Wellwisdom's Proserum whey protein concentrate which is made much the same way.

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on September 23, 2012
at 03:46 AM

On this blog, there has been a lot of discussion about non-denatured protein. Perhaps I can add some more information.

Non-denatured whey protein (also called undenatured whey protein) was discovered in the period 1981-1988 by Dr. Gustavo Bounous at McGill University in Montreal. He was testing a whey protein from a Swiss company and noticed that it had a beneficial impact on life span and disease resistance of rats. After much research, it was discovered that this whey protein produced that beneficial effect by enhancing the rats’ intercellular production of glutathione. Glutathione, which has been called the body’s master antioxidant, currently has over 103,000 articles on it in the US National Institutes of Health PUBMED database.

There are several books written about the development of Immunocal, all very good reads.

In order for cells to produce glutathione, they must have three precursors and the one precursor that is rate-limiting is double-bonded cysteine as it is not easily obtained by our bodies through diet. It turns out that this special whey protein provided the double-bonded cysteine to the cells and thus glutathione production was enhanced.

This double-bonded cysteine is very sensitive and if broken does not provide glutathione enhancement. It is broken by pasteurization at too high a temperature, excessive agitation and oxidation.

Thirty years of research by Dr. Bounous and his colleagues resulted in the development of a product called Immunocal. Immunocal is specially produced from cow milk using cold pasteurization with extensive screening and filtering. Immunocal is packaged in a nitrogen atmosphere to prevent oxidation.

Immunocal has around 100 patents, is recommended by the 2008 Nobel Prize winner for Medicine, Dr. Luc Montagnier, is listed in the U.S. PDR (Physician’s Desktop Reference), CPS (Compendium of Pharmaceuticals and Specialities), Pharmacists’ Red Book and is on the FDA’s website. As well, Immunocal is reimbursed by Medicare and Medicad in some states.

It has been cited for its beneficial impact on immune system diseases such as cancer, fibromyalgia, and many other such diseases. For more information and many testimonials, go to:

                    www.ForGoodImmuneHealth.com

which is one of the most extensive sources of Immunocal information on the Internet.

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on September 23, 2012
at 03:40 AM

In answer to the post by ‘reburns’ on Feb 23:

The non-denatured whey protein that you seek is produced by a company called Immunotec. The product name is Immunocal. The best information on the internet is at:

                 www.ForGoodImmuneHealth.com

This website, one of the best on the internet, provides several hundred testimonials and articles about non-denatured whey proteins and the impact that they have on immune system diseases, toxins and other things. Immunocal is clinically proven to enhance glutathione and provides energy to the body. It has been successful in mitigating/reversing many neuro-degenerative conditions. Briefly, Immunocal is made from cow’s milk but is specially processed. It is free of lactose, fat, and gluten. As well, it is free of preservatives, antibiotics, herbicides, pesticides and bacteria. Immunocal is produced as a pharmaceutical grade product, not as a food product, which means that every envelope has a serial number and a lot number thereby making it traceable. Packaging is done in an oxygen free environment by replacing oxygen with nitrogen.

I will provide more information in another post.

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on August 23, 2012
at 03:20 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm9ULKdffCQ

Whey Protein: The Simple Facts


The guy explains it pretty well.

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on August 21, 2012
at 06:51 PM

here's a grass fed whey protein with no soy and sweetened with stevia

http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

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on August 21, 2012
at 06:37 PM

If you are looking for a protein without soy or soy lecithin you can check out Arbonne Protein it is vegan made with pea cranberry and brown rice. It has 20 grams of protein per serving. Comes in vanilla, chocolate and there re flavor packs if you want to change up the taste without adding other fruits vegs etc. It is great for those with issues with dairy,egg etc. Check out my site under shop online Essential Fit. This is a thirty year old company that puts lots of time into finding products that show results.

www.gduncan.myarbonne.com

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on June 05, 2012
at 01:17 AM

Totally confused by all of you. What I need is a clean Whey product, without, soy or lecithin. I am trying to gain weight, and will use it to supplement meals. In all of your humble opinion, which is best for me, a senior female, who still works out, and cannot hold onto weight due to fast metabolism, and lifestyle. Thanks.

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(5959)

on June 05, 2012
at 03:44 AM

Good luck with that. Lecithin is added to the vast majority of whey proteins to instantize them (make them dissolve quickly in water). Most of the whey proteins I've seen that specifically contain no soy lecithin contain sunflower lecithin instead. I did, however, find this one with egg lecithin: http://proteinfactory.com/shop/soy-free-whey-protein/

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(0)

on March 13, 2012
at 08:20 PM

Check into Isagenix.

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on February 23, 2012
at 06:12 PM

**I started a new link for this...because I didn't see the "email me" box. Please respond to the new link if you can assist in locating the protein I need.

I am on the hunt for an un-denatured (non-denatured) whey protein that does not contain malt, as malt breaks down into MSG.

My bestfriend has a neuro-degenerative disease and the diet calls for this criteria; yet I can't find a protein powder that satisfies the Gluten Free/ neuro-degenerative needs of the diet. Help would be greatly appreciated here.

***One small comment here about adding supplements to ones diet; back in the day we didn't need to supplement our diets because we were not exposed to the stresses our bodies are exposed to now. Today we have an abundance of toxins in the air we breathe, water we drink and foods we buy in a rush. To adequately combat what we are exposed to, supplements are a good option if we consume the correct ones in the "purest" form possible.

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(78467)

on June 05, 2012
at 05:28 AM

Whey protein is going to do no more to combat the stresses of toxins than fresh food.

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(0)

on January 05, 2014
at 01:20 AM

Are you still searching for an undenatured whey free of pesticides, antibiotics, soy, artificial sweeteners, fillers, colors, addititives etc?

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on January 31, 2014
at 10:10 PM

I am an independent consultant for a health and wellness company that has protein powders that are made with pea, cranberry and rice proteins (plant-based) and there is no whey, gluten, or animal-by products. If you want more info. send me an email puresafewellness@yahoo.com

I'd be happy to give you an ingredient listing and send you a sample.

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Df8e903ab49451e5c9ce6b157a7b467a

on January 05, 2012
at 06:45 PM

The Bluebonnet brand lists in their supplement info that it contains milk and soybeans. I'm not sure what the difference is in that and soy lecithin...but thought I would point that out if you are trying to stay away from soy altogether.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on January 05, 2012
at 07:50 PM

Their response: *"There is no soy lecithin in the Whey Protein Isolate, however the Dual Action does have a bit of soy lecithin."*

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on January 05, 2012
at 07:50 PM

My emailed question to Bluebonnet: *"The ingredients do not list soy lecithin. Can you please confirm whether or not it has soy lecithin in it at all?"*

Df8e903ab49451e5c9ce6b157a7b467a

(0)

on January 18, 2012
at 02:38 PM

Really? This was their response to me..."The soy lecithin is used in the agglomeration process to instantize the whey to enable to stir into liquids, it is a minute amount, as whey needs a lipid to keep it from flying asunder when opened as well." The question I asked was, "Your whey protein isolate does not list soy lecithin in the ingredients, but the label says "Other ingredients: Undenatured whey protein isolate, natural vanilla flavor. Contains: Milk, soybeans". What form of soy is in the whey protein isolate that the label would have to list soybeans in the contents?"

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(8)

on December 14, 2011
at 02:38 AM

with no disrespect to any of youse, yall are all clueless. None of that stuff matters - your'e wasting your time and money. Muscles can get big and have gotten big with out any of that fake crap - whey or isolates or what ever crap they come up with in the next decade (pooh protein ??). Eat some raw this some raw that - have some pasta, drink water and pump real heavy steal/iron - you'll be big and strong and healthy. And seriously, clueless just means not knowing the real truth about something - it doesn't mean you're stupid.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on January 05, 2012
at 08:11 PM

No disrespect to you either, but you don't make a very strong case for your point. *"have some pasta and drink water"*? Seriously? You can also try to get all essential vitamins and minerals from food and forego all supplements. But does that mean anyone who takes any supplements is clueless and wasting their time/money? *"Muscles can get big and have gotten big with out any of that fake crap"*. Obviously, but that wasn't the point of this question. Leaping to a conclusion from one true statement doesn't always guarantee you have leaped to a sound conclusion. Oh, and welcome to PaleoHacks :)

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(851)

on January 23, 2012
at 02:10 AM

All I can say is wow. Thanks for covering this one Jack.

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(4029)

on August 25, 2012
at 10:49 PM

Hey, you mad bro?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 26, 2012
at 03:25 AM

Yep, poo protein is just around the corner. Gut bacteria (what poo is mostly composed of) have lots to do with how you absorb nutrients.

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(8280)

on April 05, 2011
at 04:27 PM

Depends on what you're looking for. Whey's used for several different things. For the health/immune system aspect, you want undenatured whey (an undenatured whey concentrate). For the bodybuilding aspect (muscle repair, glutathione levels, etc.), you want the isolate (higher protein amounts). I use CFM Isolate after my exercising.

This is not saying that that concentrates don't help muscle repair or that isolate doesn't have the health aspect. I see it more as a scale. Isolate's lower on the health scale and higher on the muscle repair. Concentrates are lower on the muscle repair and higher on the health.

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on June 20, 2013
at 02:14 PM

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on December 07, 2012
at 04:23 AM

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on August 22, 2012
at 08:26 PM

Jack Kronk, I cannot tell you how wrong you are.

The definition of denature is: Biochemistry . to treat (a protein or the like) by chemical or physical means so as to alter its original state.

Whey protein comes from cheese. Which is pasteurized 2 times, once from the milk and again for the cheese. This is an FDA requirement. Pasteurization is adding HEAT to kill of bacteria, therefore denaturing the various compounds and proteins. This is a marketing gimic.

As far as doing a cold-process, Cross-flow microfiltered Isolate is a cold process of isolating the protein. Less denaturization occurs because of that process.

Ion-Exchange Isolate is garbage compared to the rest. The process takes concentrate and then sodium hydroxide and hydrochloric acid are added, which denatures the whey even more.

Get your shit right.
-Andrew Donner BS Nutrition Certified Personal Trainer (ISSA)

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(18472)

on June 20, 2013
at 03:57 PM

just seeing this. Most valuable part of your answer is your keen insight on pasteurization. Man. I've been scouring that internet to try to find out what that word meant. Thanks so much for clarifying. As for your "whey protein comes from cheese".. well that can be true, but doesnt have to be the case. I have made pure whey from raw milk on my countertop in my own home. Takes a few days. So, um, there's always that. Many whey proteins on the market are made from raw milk. After re-reading through your stupid answer littered with immature verbiage, I must say you fail, mr personal trainer dude.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 05, 2012
at 05:37 AM

I know whey protein is in the paleo gray-area

No it's not. It's simply not paleo. If you want to use it, use it.
Whey protein is a placebo for people that believe that they can't get enough good quulity protein from simply eating real food. "Oh but the top bodybuilders use it!" So what? Do they care about healthy eating? No. If you can't get enough good quality protein from eating real food, you are not eating properly in general and need to re-educate yourself.
The idea of hunting down the best quality whey protein seems ridiculous to me. People should be spending more time hunting down the best butcher and fruit and veg shops in their area instead. lol

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(851)

on June 07, 2012
at 03:05 PM

Thanks paleo police. This contributed nothing to the discussion. Yes, whey protein is not paleo but it has some proven health benefits and it's an easy go-to if you're in a pinch. It isn't just body-builders that use it for recovery, undenatured whey has been shown to boost immune function by boosting serum glutathione. I agree with you that people should spend more time getting good quality foods in their body but that's not what this discussion is about.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 07, 2012
at 03:35 PM

I don't care about your opinion of my post. If you want to guzzle down whey protein, just go ahead. I don't mind. I was just explaining that it isn't a grey area. I don't know why you have to get so defensive about it?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 14, 2012
at 02:14 PM

You obviously didn't understand what I meant by "a placebo for people that believe that they can't get enough good quulity protein from simply eating real food"

E8022f05c250e19a65b92207dd1630ca

(851)

on June 14, 2012
at 02:07 PM

Go figure, because it seems nobody cares about your opinion either. My point is that you did not contribute any value to the discussion. Nitpicking semantics to be "right" is annoying so my defense is in the integrity of the discussion, nothing personal. BTW if you want to have a who's right contest, whey protein is not a placebo because it actually accomplishes what it's meant to do physiologically. I'm guessing you don't really know much about it.

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on April 23, 2012
at 12:04 AM

Isagenix International produces an un-denatured whey protein. The new protein just released this week contains 35g of protein per serving. High absorption rate with active enzymes. Very powerful and will impact the market. christiemacartney@rogers.com

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(24543)

on April 23, 2012
at 12:25 AM

Hi Christie-- just to note, in case you come back here, you will likely be suspended or worse for self-promotion. See the FAQ for more details...

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