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How screwed up were/are you?

Commented on April 24, 2015
Created May 25, 2011 at 4:25 PM

That sounds like a jokey question, but I'm serious. Although I'm not a follower of WAPF, I was very impressed a few years back when I read Price's "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration," and realized I had been born with or developed nearly all of the symptoms he noted among the non-traditional eaters, plus a few others:

  • Underdeveloped jaw and concomitantly grossly buck teeth
  • Severe myopia at a young age-
  • Idiopathic seizures-
  • Asthma-
  • Allergies-

As time went on, I noticed or developed these:

  • Charcot-Marie Tooth syndrome (very high foot arches with "dragging" toes)-
  • Obesity--
  • Severe joint pain with elevated ANA, Rh-factor present in blood (no diagnosis, but suspected RA)-
  • Depression--
  • An epidemic of dental caries-

I know, I sound like Quasimodo; pretty sad, eh? But. Some of these issues have been reversed or halted through dietary manipulations (obesity, joint pain, depression, seizures, cavities), some through supplementation (asthma), and some obviously aren't going anywhere -- my feet are still my feet, my jaw didn't grow larger, etc.

I'm just curious: How many PaleoHackers have how many of these signs of "physical degeneration," whether present at birth or developed throughout life? And which of these have benefitted from your change in lifestyle, whether dietary, exercise, or other?

I realize this is an enormous question, and it could be said that this entire website is a compendium of exactly these "screwed up" issues and their resolutions. But I'd like to see people's individual, personal lists, in single posts, to get a sense of how much of our healthy birthright we've bartered away for cheap stockyard "food," and how far we have to go as individuals to get as much of it back as we can. -------

Db3111f1e6aad5bbf7138a44e008c4a7

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on April 24, 2015
at 02:44 PM

I was diagnosed at age 50 with Charcot Marie Tooth.  I knew from age 21 that I had the inherited disease.  At age 50 I began weight training at a H.I.T. center.  In 1 year I had greatly improved my lower limbs and lower arms strenght.  My balance was improved also.  They started talking to me about eating Paleo.  It took me a long time to embrace it 100% but now that it has improved my inflammation I have fully embraced it. There is so little written about CMT and when I bump into it on a Paleo site I felt like I wasn't the only human being living with it. Thanks

8d454fc50d6d58643d6f8b0d1e7ea8ea

(2830)

on October 01, 2011
at 01:05 PM

I had no idea how much sugar I was ingesting until I cut it out. It was everywhere! And making me miserable.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on August 30, 2011
at 06:45 AM

I thought so, but no, apparently not :P. I almost never shave anymore.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on August 30, 2011
at 01:56 AM

awesome! but wait, isn't fast-growing lip hair pretty normal on dudes?

560821f3e7352455c3ebc2283d424f2e

on August 29, 2011
at 07:44 PM

Sugar, see you in hell!! Totally agree, the further I stay away from the White Devil the happier I am.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 29, 2011
at 07:28 PM

lol; my feelings about sugar exactly.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on August 29, 2011
at 06:58 PM

You think so? I had to drink soy milk when I was very young because I didn't tolerate milk.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 16, 2011
at 04:53 AM

Just love "my kryptonite is soy and wheat"!!!

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(19469)

on May 28, 2011
at 01:01 PM

Right! People think that it is "hard" to eat/live like I do now. The reality is that life is so much easier when you constantly feel good and rarely get sick!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 27, 2011
at 11:41 PM

Soy. Oy. That's one thing, at least, I didn't have to deal with as a kid. Otherwise, my experience is like yours: the cleaner I eat, the better I feel. Makes eating clean easy.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on May 27, 2011
at 10:52 PM

I really like the whole paleo thing (even if I am forced into it!) so I am sticking with it longterm even if it doesn't work on my main symptoms. Sort of like aversion therapy, I have found it pretty easy to eat paleo. But I admire everyone who is doing paleo by choice!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 27, 2011
at 10:28 PM

Jeez, your early diet sounds like mine. I only did a year or so as a vegetarian, though; I got tired of feeling like human garbage. Hope you're able to turn things around, Senneth!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 26, 2011
at 03:50 PM

Thanks, Ben. WAP did some really great research; it's too bad he's dismissed as a crank by the mainstream now; you can't mention his name to a doctor without getting an eyeball roll. It's hard to argue with his photographs, though.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 26, 2011
at 01:17 PM

I hear ya on the teeth. I went through the braces and the multiple extractons, too. I would have never connected it to diet -- mine or my birth mother's -- until I read Price.

60199d3a580a4e17969059609e48e678

(883)

on May 26, 2011
at 12:33 AM

I am also from a southern family, and was formula fed. Formula feeding caused me to have severe colic when I was a baby too and I have always had a very slow digestive system. I think thats because my mother smoked while pregnant with me :\ when I got pregnant I vowed that I would never smoke again and that I would breastfeed my child as long as possible. I want to give my child the start my mother didnt give me. Still waiting to see his adorable face though, so we will see how well paleo has done him in the womb.

60199d3a580a4e17969059609e48e678

(883)

on May 26, 2011
at 12:29 AM

thanks, it was tough and still is at times but my husband keeps me motivated to stay healthy :)

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 08:05 PM

yeah she had a bit of hippie strain in her - i was breast-fed for a while, etc. This was in 79 when it wasnt cool to do that. She was in LLL etc.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 07:27 PM

Gone, I'm glad your spondyloarthropathy is symptomless now -- I hope it wasn't ever painful. My beautiful first dog, Daisy, had diskospondylitis -- different disease, obviously, but same areas affected -- and it was very painful for her. And I'm jealous of all you people with good teeth. :)

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

(2437)

on May 25, 2011
at 07:03 PM

I think dairy can add to height. My GF is East Asian and her brothers all drink a ton of milk. They are all 6'0 plus and are built like African American athletes. Their parents and cousins who ate a more traditional Taiwanese diet are about 6 inches shorter and very softly built.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 05:52 PM

Yeah, one thing the SAD doesn't seem to have affected much is our (average) height. Maybe sufficient protein takes care of that. Envying your perfect vision!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 05:51 PM

Congratulations on finding a way of eating that doesn't contribute to your anorexia (I'm assuming). That's tough to deal with.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 05:32 PM

I do think sodas are particularly odious, so good on your Mom for keeping them out of the house.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 05:26 PM

Oh growing up I had a lot of cavities filled. I haven't had a cavity in nearly 18 years though. I'm 31 now

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 05:22 PM

Excellent question. Well phrased as well. And I always like seeing a nod to WAP.

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A994080d499afca98cdc9de896701ebd

on August 29, 2011
at 07:17 PM

depression, awful mood swings, acne!

My childhood was basically gluten-free because my mother is celiac and thus the whole family ate what she did. she rules the house, you know...

I grew up in Sweden and every Swede loves, loves, loves SUGAR. My mum is no exception. All the lovely baked goods at the bakery were always very tempting but my mum made sure I stayed away from gluten. She always thought her kids might be sensible to gluten as well. Homemade buckwheat cookies with loads of sugar instead. I'm not surprised that I was quite unpredictable as a kid.

All of the symptoms went away immediatly as soon as I cut out every form of sugar (fruits included). Sugar, see you in hell!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 29, 2011
at 07:28 PM

lol; my feelings about sugar exactly.

560821f3e7352455c3ebc2283d424f2e

on August 29, 2011
at 07:44 PM

Sugar, see you in hell!! Totally agree, the further I stay away from the White Devil the happier I am.

8d454fc50d6d58643d6f8b0d1e7ea8ea

(2830)

on October 01, 2011
at 01:05 PM

I had no idea how much sugar I was ingesting until I cut it out. It was everywhere! And making me miserable.

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1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

on May 25, 2011
at 06:35 PM

My parents were major gourmets so we had very little processed food in the house but we did eat a lot of pasta and white bread from the bakery. But we often had organic free range eggs, natural bacon, always used extra virgin olive oil and real butter, Everything was made from scratch, my mom made bone broth once or twice a week, never had dessert or snack foods in the house and my parents were always buying big hunks of stinky raw cheese.

That said, I struggled a lot with obesity and I had some major pallete expansion work done in elementary school and in middle school but I've never had a cavity and I rarely got sick except one summer I spent with my grandmother i developed asthma and looking back she used margarine, fed me kool-aide almost every day and used all sorts of crappy processed ingredients.

The asthma went away two years later when we moved to California and my parents started buying groceries from the farmers market every week. My mom was an early adopter of organic foods, but she said she didnt really get in to it until I was a baby. I think she ate pretty crappily while she was pregnant which accounts for the small jaw. At least she breastfed me for a year and made her own baby food. I was stupid and went vegan forna couple years in high school (and then wondered why I was so depressed!!!) butkept the weight off until college when I went lacto ovo vegetarian and was too poor for all the fresh fruits and veggies so I relied on beans, rice, soy products, and sandwiches. I blew up. My kryptonite is soy and wheat.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 16, 2011
at 04:53 AM

Just love "my kryptonite is soy and wheat"!!!

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B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on August 29, 2011
at 06:58 PM

My symptoms

  • Chubby
  • Greasy hair, looked very weird
  • Extremely pale
  • Big pupils all the time
  • Acne
  • Red skin from hives due to allergies
  • Big red patches on my legs
  • Hair on upper lip that grew damn fast (now it doesn't grow anymore)
  • Depressed
  • Tired a lot
  • Itchyness all the time
  • Blue hands from the cold (with several wounds)

All this has gone away. My mood could be a tiny bit better though, I'm thinking that's the vitamin D (had a severe deficiency and I'm waiting for iHerb supplements).

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on August 30, 2011
at 01:56 AM

awesome! but wait, isn't fast-growing lip hair pretty normal on dudes?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on August 30, 2011
at 06:45 AM

I thought so, but no, apparently not :P. I almost never shave anymore.

1
60c285ff1dff1ea5af6a5820aa5320cf

on August 29, 2011
at 06:53 PM

Honestly I think most of my issues (obesity, recurrent miscarriage, eczema) have a whole lot to do with the soy formula I was on as an infant. I think that stuff is TOXIC.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on August 29, 2011
at 06:58 PM

You think so? I had to drink soy milk when I was very young because I didn't tolerate milk.

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(19469)

on May 27, 2011
at 11:13 PM

Crowded teeth, bad eyes, and previous history of ADD, anxiety, and binge eating.

I don't know if my mom's hippydom helped or hurt. We didn't have soda, but we were fed soy from a very young age until I moved out. I think that I was always a little caveman at heart and used to ask "do you have any meat?" when I visited friends houses. I remember at one friends house his mom would make meat sandwiches with butter and I loved that.

Getting on the standard "healthy" american diet (SHAD) helped some, but the more paleo I went (didn't always think of it in those terms, but had an intuitive awareness that "clean" eating was fresh, unprocessed meat, veggies, fruits, and nuts, basically whole foods) the better I felt, performed, and my so called "problems" began to fade away.

Medium avatar

(19469)

on May 28, 2011
at 01:01 PM

Right! People think that it is "hard" to eat/live like I do now. The reality is that life is so much easier when you constantly feel good and rarely get sick!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 27, 2011
at 11:41 PM

Soy. Oy. That's one thing, at least, I didn't have to deal with as a kid. Otherwise, my experience is like yours: the cleaner I eat, the better I feel. Makes eating clean easy.

1
F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on May 27, 2011
at 09:48 PM

Tv Dinners, mac and cheese, sandwichs, tons of margerine slathered toast, and cereal for my entire childhood. I recently found I was allergic to milk as a baby so I was given soy formula for years. Then I added 5 years as vegetarian. Led to lots of cavities, hypoglycemia, bloating, food intolerances (IGG responses to gluten, soy, dairy, egg), and IBS. So far Paleo hasn't alone helped. Working with a functional medicine doc!

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on May 27, 2011
at 10:52 PM

I really like the whole paleo thing (even if I am forced into it!) so I am sticking with it longterm even if it doesn't work on my main symptoms. Sort of like aversion therapy, I have found it pretty easy to eat paleo. But I admire everyone who is doing paleo by choice!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 27, 2011
at 10:28 PM

Jeez, your early diet sounds like mine. I only did a year or so as a vegetarian, though; I got tired of feeling like human garbage. Hope you're able to turn things around, Senneth!

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24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

(9812)

on May 26, 2011
at 11:34 AM

Had IBS but cleared it up by cutting gluten; I also had major orthodontic work done, never made the diet connection until now. Had an expanding device from 3rd thru 8th grade, had to have 4 teeth removed and still ended up with braces all thru high school. My mom wasn't into getting us a lot of processed stuff, but there was no shortage of rye bread, cheese, margarine, etc. There were usually potato chips and a few Little Debbies around, we were allowed a little soda on weekends, but we generally ate stuff that was deemed healthy by conventional wisdom. I'm guessing she ate that way while prego, and I know she smoked as well (I guess that wasn't a big deal back then haha).

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 26, 2011
at 01:17 PM

I hear ya on the teeth. I went through the braces and the multiple extractons, too. I would have never connected it to diet -- mine or my birth mother's -- until I read Price.

1
1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

on May 25, 2011
at 06:38 PM

  • Spondyloarthropathy (likely AS; symptomless since going paleo)
  • Near-sightedness
  • Some anxiety issues (resolved mostly with meditation, exercise, stress reduction)
  • Severely sensitive skin/tendency toward hives (triggered mostly by skin topicals/detergents/etc.; ok with natural oils)
  • Acne (resolved mostly through paleo, plus high-impact natural skin regimen)
  • Congenital midline sinus (my sinus passages didn't close entirely at the bridge of my nose, leaving me with a small hole in my face until surgery at age 6...I had pretty gnarly allergy/sinus issues until going paleo)

However, I have great teeth (mostly straight, one cavity ever despite a 6-year period with no dental visits), and I've always been slender but put on muscle fairly easily and am rather strong for my size. 5'4, so average height as well.

I was formula-fed, but ate a diet low in processed foods as a child; both my parents came from poor Southern stock, so food was homemade, lots of vegetables and animal fats. However, I believe my mom smoked while pregnant and also suffered from anorexia and bulimia.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 07:27 PM

Gone, I'm glad your spondyloarthropathy is symptomless now -- I hope it wasn't ever painful. My beautiful first dog, Daisy, had diskospondylitis -- different disease, obviously, but same areas affected -- and it was very painful for her. And I'm jealous of all you people with good teeth. :)

60199d3a580a4e17969059609e48e678

(883)

on May 26, 2011
at 12:33 AM

I am also from a southern family, and was formula fed. Formula feeding caused me to have severe colic when I was a baby too and I have always had a very slow digestive system. I think thats because my mother smoked while pregnant with me :\ when I got pregnant I vowed that I would never smoke again and that I would breastfeed my child as long as possible. I want to give my child the start my mother didnt give me. Still waiting to see his adorable face though, so we will see how well paleo has done him in the womb.

1
Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on May 25, 2011
at 06:06 PM

Near-sightedness, eating disorder, migraines, hypothyroid, eczema, depression, ibs...Eating the way I do keeps a lot of these issues in check, still not 100%, but I am at my healthiest when I am striving for 100% with diet and lifestyle choices...recently started intermittent fasting, and am amazed at how much has happened in a very short period of time with my body and my mood...

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 25, 2011
at 06:05 PM

Two big things...

  • Skinny and Tall
  • Brain fog

Since dieting.... - Under the impression that I've actually shrunk a little - Have felt really free of brain fog, but it comes and goes, and it seems completely correlated to how my diet is.

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60199d3a580a4e17969059609e48e678

on May 25, 2011
at 05:46 PM

anorexia was my biggest health flaw, I had a lot of digestive issues too (which have since been relieved), and mild anemia (which has also been relieved) thats really all, I have always been a health nut so I didn't get the worst parts.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 05:51 PM

Congratulations on finding a way of eating that doesn't contribute to your anorexia (I'm assuming). That's tough to deal with.

60199d3a580a4e17969059609e48e678

(883)

on May 26, 2011
at 12:29 AM

thanks, it was tough and still is at times but my husband keeps me motivated to stay healthy :)

1
667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 05:25 PM

Chubby as a kid till 16 ish.

Bad teeth but never had braces.

Need eyeglasses for distance.

Always thin but weak as an adult.

My mother Fed us SAD but no sodas in the house ever. Meat and potatoes nearly every night. Cereals and bread in the AM though. No alcohol in the house. We played outside in the city all day. Wasn't bad in terms of our discussions here.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 08:05 PM

yeah she had a bit of hippie strain in her - i was breast-fed for a while, etc. This was in 79 when it wasnt cool to do that. She was in LLL etc.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 05:32 PM

I do think sodas are particularly odious, so good on your Mom for keeping them out of the house.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 05:26 PM

Oh growing up I had a lot of cavities filled. I haven't had a cavity in nearly 18 years though. I'm 31 now

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Fd504de9b242f4cd7009db70af5e2121

(558)

on May 25, 2011
at 05:12 PM

lifelong IBS,narrow pallet/messed up teeth/cavities,severe teen acne,severe sinus infections for 14 years(pasteurized dairy),depression since childhood,swollen lymph nodes removed twice as a small child,low T/lack of facial hair.

The only thing that finally fixed my IBS after trying EVERYTHING was raw eggs/high fat paleo for a period of time.Everything else is gone or greatly diminished on Paleo,I quit wheat 6 years ago and havent had a cavity since and I was getting them every year.

On the positive side-tall/6'3,single digit bodyfat,fast metabolism,above average athletic ability and perfect vision

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

(2437)

on May 25, 2011
at 07:03 PM

I think dairy can add to height. My GF is East Asian and her brothers all drink a ton of milk. They are all 6'0 plus and are built like African American athletes. Their parents and cousins who ate a more traditional Taiwanese diet are about 6 inches shorter and very softly built.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 05:52 PM

Yeah, one thing the SAD doesn't seem to have affected much is our (average) height. Maybe sufficient protein takes care of that. Envying your perfect vision!

0
B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

(2437)

on May 25, 2011
at 07:16 PM

I had chronic fatigue, chronic depression, generalized anxiety disorder, minor OCD and some arthritis in my back and shoulders. I also had bad acne as a kid and had to do 2.5 rounds of accutane to get rid of it (1 round is supposed to cure it for life). I was a bit better on Paleo but since going autoimmune Paleo the fatigue is 80% gone, depression gone, anxiety cut to 1/3, bits of OCD negligible, arthritis pretty much gone but I have some left over knots left over from anxiety that still cause some issues. I also quadrupled my testosterone since doing autoimmune Paleo and taking herbs for adrenal support (anxiety/cortisol are the antithesis of testosterone).

Luckily Im 6'2, never needed braces, never had cavities and although I have skinny wrists and a small waist am closing in on 2xs body weight deadlifts.

A little tale on vegetarianism. My grandpa is 6'2, my dad is 6'0 and my youngest half brother is 6'0 (cousins all 6'0 +). My half brother below me was raised by my crazy step-mom as a vegetarian. The problem is when you are young you are very picky so he was really a "breadatarian" as he only ate bagels, pizza and bread. At age 8 she said he could have meat but at that point he lost the taste and never ate it. Now fully grown he is only about 5'6, a full 6 inches shorter then the shortest male in our immediate family. It could have been genetic but Im sure the lack of nutrients didnt help.

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