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Breakfast, Earlier Bedtime and Unwanted Weightloss??

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Created October 15, 2011 at 2:51 PM

My hubby and I have instituted earlier bedtime -- lights out by 11:00 and often earlier. I also started eating breakfast plus lunch and dinner and make sure I'm done eating by 7:00PM and hoping to push this earlier. My post-prandials and morning fasting glucose are improved despite eating more frequently so perhaps this is a sign of lowering stress hormones. What I've also noticed now is that I've dropped a few pounds which I did not want or need to lose. I've upped fat to up calories but have kept protein the same. Because I've been totally dairy free for months now, my predominant fat other than what's on meat and in eggs/fish, dark chocolate, nuts (raw macs/hazelnuts and very limited raw almonds) or small amounts of olive oil is coconut oil. I often have 2 tablespoons of coconut oil at breakfast alone -- to top my eggs and veggies with and more with supper. I also eat . My husband thinks it's the fact we are stopping eating earlier (although studies have shown meal timing is allegedly irrelevent) and coconut oil -- but I don't feel more energetic from it -- just eat it because I love the taste. Will the weightloss cease? I have not been exercising other than walking, a few air squats/rubberband pulls/wall pushups. Hubby says once my body gets used to this, I'll pick up a few pounds. I eat at keto levels as keeping my blood sugar/A1C normal is my first priority as diabetes is rampant in my family and I would do anything to avoid the drug/insulin route if at all possible.

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at 05:20 PM

That is very interesting, JayJay. I've been playing with 2 meals, IF, and even though everything's stayed similar...my clothes feel a bit tighter.

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on October 15, 2011
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Well, actually I did not realize how long you had already been doing this and I gotta say it sounds like your doing GREAT! I agree with much of what you say you have done. As for losing weight with increase meal frequency and going to bed earlier, it actually happens with me too. In fact I limit to two meals a day to keep my weight UP, which is quite paradoxical. When I eat three square meals I tend to go down 4-5lbs and that is my new set point. I usually feel good at either weight, so normally do not worry about it. For me it did level out at apoint (4-5lbs), but I dont know why...

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on October 15, 2011
at 04:13 PM

Say it isn't so Cliff. Does this mean I have to turn in my white potato Halloween costume? PS: I've maintained my weight on ketogenic levels with sufficient calories with no problems. The big changes are meal frequency and timing plus going to bed by 11:00PM or earlier instead of 1:30AM or later. PPS: I never claimed nor do I believe that carbs cause diabetes. I do believe that some people handle carbohydrates better than others based upon genetic tendendies, activity level, age etc. Causes of diabetes vary depending upon what type -- Type 1, Type 2, Type 3, Lada, Mody.

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I think for better answers you might tell us what your glucose levels adn A1C and such were before and after beginning this...are you, or were you pre-diabetic? Are you doing a keto type of diet to fix a current problem in your bodies hormonal response or is it more of of a preventative reason due to familial tendencies?

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on October 15, 2011
at 02:57 PM

Your fear of carbs is unfounded, no one develops diabetes from eating natural carbs, some doctors even cure diabetes with high carb diets. If your trying to maintain weight your doing yourself a disservice by limiting carbs.

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on October 15, 2011
at 04:13 PM

Say it isn't so Cliff. Does this mean I have to turn in my white potato Halloween costume? PS: I've maintained my weight on ketogenic levels with sufficient calories with no problems. The big changes are meal frequency and timing plus going to bed by 11:00PM or earlier instead of 1:30AM or later. PPS: I never claimed nor do I believe that carbs cause diabetes. I do believe that some people handle carbohydrates better than others based upon genetic tendendies, activity level, age etc. Causes of diabetes vary depending upon what type -- Type 1, Type 2, Type 3, Lada, Mody.

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on October 15, 2011
at 06:26 PM

I agree with cliff; If you don't want diabetes, stay active and avoid excessive fructose, not glucose.

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27361737e33ba2f73ab3c25d2699ad61

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on October 15, 2011
at 05:17 PM

Hi Jay -- coment button above didn't work or maybe my comment is too longwinded. Sorry if I wasn't clear -- by keto I didn't mean to imply zero carbs. Even Paul Jaminet's plan generates ketones even with the inclusion of his "safe starches." Sorry if I wasn't clear -- I say keto because my diet is very high fat, moderate protein and very low carb. NOT no carb - not even close to no carb. I eat lots of non-starchy veggies, nuts, some squash seasonally, some low sugar fruit. Treats -- dark chocolate, occassionally purple potato or Japanese yams (hate the orange ones) if hubby is making them.

I've been eating this way for 10+ years but have transitioned to stricter paleo more recently meaning no dairy. My Hashimoto's antibodies have been totally normal for years since ditching wheat and legumes -- totally normal. However, despite paleo and/or low carb, I got into bad habits of eating too late at night and far too much protein for my size which I believe raised my cortisol and in turn glucose. Even at maintenance weight, I was eating huge portions just because I could. Oink.

My A1C's were in the 4's in my youth despite eating crap (youth has its advantages -- love Michael Rose's inteviews and his terrific 55theses which discusses this). Over the past decade, I saw my A1C steadily rise to 5.5 which most docs would say is ok. I was not ok with the steady rise without explanation as my annual fasting glucose was always mid70s to mid80s and my diet largely unchanged. My endo kept saying a rise with age is "normal." Well if an A1C of 6 means irreprable beta cell death -- I wanted to arrest the trend of my rising A1C. When I started testing postprandially, I realized that my infrequent jumbo meals caused unexpected rises that were taking much longer to come down than expected and that would explain the rising A1C. Also, as I am approaching the half centurly mark, I undoubtedly have hormonal fluctuations and declines that can impact blood sugar.

So after re-reading Rosedale's work, I cut back on my gargantuan meat portions and the A1C dropped to 5.2 within a few months. Cutting back on protein did not lower my weight which was at maintenance -- just my post-prandials. As per his suggestions, I added fat to make up the calories. After reading Dr. Kruse's site and inspiring comments, I decided to see what would happen if I stopped eating earlier (also recommended by Rosedale but the nightowl in me resisted) and started eating breakfast. My postprandials are improving even more in terms of dropping back to fasting much faster despite more frequent eating. I am adding strength training and expect my A1C to drop further as I see what's happening with postprandials just via the meal timing/frequency tweaks and earlier bedtime.

As I approach menopause, I want to get more proactive about reducing cortisol and living more in tune with natural biorythms. I have not reduced calories -- just upped fat (which I tend to do anyway as the cold weather comes) and going to bed much earlier and at least 4 hours after finishing my last meal. Before, we would be face down in our food up until bedtime and then zonk out. Maybe I didn't gain weight from this but I don't believe it's healthy for me -- I don't want a steadily rising A1C for any reason. I admit I was a bit influenced by the one meal a day crowd but I'm over it now in a big way. I confused the energy with true energy when in fact I think it was increased stress hormones -- cortisol, adrenaline etc. and too much coffee during the day. ( I'm not knocking it for other so don't want flames by Ori Hofmeckler fans -- do what works for you. )

I am not advocating any particular amount of carbs for anybody or meal timing and certainly do not believe carbs are the devil or the cause of diabetes -- I just personally feel better restricting them -- no drowsiness after meals, no hunger right after eating etc. Carb tolerance is a highly individualize matter and there is no one size fits all. I do advocate eating whole organically sourced carbs -- an orange rather than orange juice -- properly prepared whole grains over refined flour etc. And if one is normal weight, very active and insulin sensitive like my hubby -- then why not occassional desserts like the mixed berry pie he's enjoying now from the farmer's market. Live and let live -- everyone has to find their own path.

I'm writing war and peace here -- back to my question: would increased meal frequency and stopping eating earlier result in weight loss despite no change in caloric intake? I used to go to bed with stuffed belly so maybe the drop in weight is simply less food clogging up my system.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 15, 2011
at 09:40 PM

Well, actually I did not realize how long you had already been doing this and I gotta say it sounds like your doing GREAT! I agree with much of what you say you have done. As for losing weight with increase meal frequency and going to bed earlier, it actually happens with me too. In fact I limit to two meals a day to keep my weight UP, which is quite paradoxical. When I eat three square meals I tend to go down 4-5lbs and that is my new set point. I usually feel good at either weight, so normally do not worry about it. For me it did level out at apoint (4-5lbs), but I dont know why...

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on April 04, 2012
at 05:20 PM

That is very interesting, JayJay. I've been playing with 2 meals, IF, and even though everything's stayed similar...my clothes feel a bit tighter.

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on October 15, 2011
at 05:04 PM

The weight loss could be fluid loss. Jump up to 70 grams and see if the water returns if not try 100-150 grams. However water retention is not that great of a thing...

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