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What stops you eating rubbish and putting weight back on?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created November 30, 2011 at 2:14 AM

When I was a slightly overweight teen, I went on my first diet. I starved myself. This led to a process of binge eating and starving. Then it was diet pills (the old sort - like amphetamines) Then I lost interest in diets. I put on some weight - but no too much.

Since I've been on the Zone diet (since 1996), now paleo (since 2009) and both have kept my cravings in check so I haven't gained. My vanity gets the better of me, and stops me eating junk that would make me quickly put on weight. It is a constant mind battle though. I go through stages of being really clean, then short bursts where I eat non-paleo food and put on a little weight. I never let it get out of hand - if I put on weight I tighten up and lose it again.

Are there others out there who are constantly 'managing' their weight - even on a paleo diet?

Do you go off track? What tempts you off track? How do you get yourself back on the Paleo bandwagon if you do?

My main questions is - if you lost weight, what tips do you have for keeping eating clean and keeping weight off?

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on May 16, 2012
at 09:48 AM

I too never eat food that is detrimental to my health.Strictly no gluten. I find that I do have to watch portion size and montitor myself constantly or I'll gain weight. I just sometimes find it a bit of a drag that I cant eat whatever I feel like - even if it is strict paleo, if I want to maintain my weight. Am I being too rigid? Is it okay to be more than 25% body fat?

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on May 16, 2012
at 12:33 AM

My vanity stops me from bingeing too much! It happens occasionally, since chocolate is not a no-no for me, but I never binge on breads anymore. I constantly worry about being too fat which helps me to avoid eating too much when I'm in a down mood. I've also asked my life partner to help me stop bingeing on chocolate. I have free reign during finals, though. The extra stress is counter-productive.

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on May 15, 2012
at 11:32 PM

I have no idea why nobility would be rated over honesty. Plus one for you.

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on May 15, 2012
at 09:35 PM

I notice I do this too, I have some beautiful designer clothes (go to my fave designers yearly rock bottom price sale) And I hate it when they start to get tight. Plus being a nutritionist means I have to look the part. I do take this seriously. But I also hate that my age and menopause is making it harder to maintain being as sleek as I would like.

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on December 01, 2011
at 10:55 PM

I'm not overweight, I'd just like to maintain a leaner look, but it's too hard! I never eat gluten. I just eat a little sugary stuff, ice-cream occasionally, wine, and more than I need to maintain a lower body fat. I CrossFit 4 times week. It sounds minor really - but it is still annoying to me to not maintain being where I feel happiest. Okay and I'm 52, and it's getting harder!

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on December 01, 2011
at 10:57 AM

Julianne I think you may do better with eating something you crave that is not paleo once per week rather than going through stages of super clean and then cheat for a while. Also, do you exercise which I believe is important for maintenance.

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on November 30, 2011
at 09:42 PM

I don't think vanity is the issue here Gydle, it is her concern that the back and forth of "clean-paleo" vs. Neolithic set backs is an unhealthy roller coaster to be on. I know this, because like I said Julianne, it is a daily battle for me as well. i will never touch a non paleo substance, I am very strict, but I feel as though everyday is a battle to not go off track.

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on November 30, 2011
at 08:38 AM

Maybe what your head wants you to be (a certain look?) and what your body wants to be (its own healthy setpoint) are just two different things? Why fight so hard for four measly pounds. Love yourself the way you are.

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on November 30, 2011
at 07:00 AM

+1 for creating a realistic wagon!

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on November 30, 2011
at 04:43 AM

I never fall off the wagon big time - and I never eat food that will make me sick like gluten. It is usually something with sugar. I guess the context for this is - I like to be about 4 pounds lighter, but without being strict ALL THE TIME I can't stay there.

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on November 30, 2011
at 04:26 AM

OMG Julianne, this is my life right now. I really hope someone can provide help. I am constantly messing up than losing repeat! hate it so much.

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on November 30, 2011
at 03:08 AM

Haha, I'm there with you. I just wrote this blerb about me pretty much missing the highs of finally caving in and eating the junk food. It's gone. It's just gone. I don't crave it anymore, because it makes me feel absolutely terrible. When people ask me what I eat, I just tell them I'm on an ancestral/paleo lifestyle diet.

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on November 30, 2011
at 02:56 AM

yes it is, but i can't take credit for the adaptation - i read it somewhere in the paleosphere.

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on November 30, 2011
at 02:44 AM

Is that quote adapted from Kate Moss who said "nothing tastes as good as skinny feels"? She obviously never had grass-fed bison cooked in butter before.

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on November 30, 2011
at 02:31 AM

"Nothing tastes as good as healthy feels" Awesome quote!

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on November 30, 2011
at 02:30 AM

I have the advantage that I stumbled upon ancestral eating because I was feeling awful all the time and had for years. When I felt so much better, the comparison was so sharp it became aversion therapy.

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on November 30, 2011
at 02:29 AM

I have the advantage that I stumbled upon ancestral eating because I was feeling awful all the time and had for years. When I felt so much better, the comparison is now so sharp it became aversion therapy.

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at 02:28 AM

3 months in I got tempted. BUT, I got really sick. 3 weeks later, I was tempted again. BUT, I got even sicker. Now I am not tempted. I look at neolithic stuff and think, "Not food."

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at 02:24 AM

Don't you ever get tempted to eat the old foods occasionally? I do, and I cave a little. Occasionally a lot. My brain just likes a treat from time to time, but I have to not let it get out of hand.

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4cef3e34563d751268a800eb9c110594

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on November 30, 2011
at 04:01 AM

Create a realistic "wagon"! It will be much more difficult to fall off. :)

Personally, I got so wrapped up in wanting to abide to "strict" paleo and it just wasnt working for me. I was forcing to do what my body wasnt needing or wanting to do. I was having weak/slow digestion, irritability and bouts of PMS that were torturous! Once I was able to change my perspective and stopped trying to make something to work for me, just because it worked for others or because I did not want to deviate from the guidelines of it, it began to get so much easier! I abandoned my ego about it and made a few changes. Things that allowed me to remain in tact with a primal lifestyle, without the digestive issues, etc. I still eat high quality grass few meats, wild seafood and local/seasonal veggies. But I also have raw dairy products (daily) as well as good old fashioned sugar, in either homemade ice cream, crustless cheesecake and flourless chocolate cake (mainly in my post workout window).

By doing those things, and learning to prepare my own treats, my lifestyle is more sustainable for the long haul. I dont "fall off the wagon" because my wagon includes goodies that arent destructive to my progress. Granted, I dont have them everyday, but 2-3x a week is a fair, honest statement.

If you adjust your diet to fit your bodily needs all the while adhering to your moral values, then I think you will find a solid bit of ground to stand on.

Good luck to you!

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on November 30, 2011
at 07:00 AM

+1 for creating a realistic wagon!

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F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

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on November 30, 2011
at 02:23 AM

"Nothing tastes as good as healthy feels". When it comes down to it, it's gotta be about your health. About wanting to take the best possible care of your body every day so that you won't be ridden by illness, injury and immobility in your old age - if you reach old age.

Vanity has also been my main motivation in the past - and like you, I had disordered eating and put my body through a lot. My priority now is taking the absolute best possible care of myself - to help heal my body from the abuse it took, and to ensure I have a healthier 40s (and 80s!) than my teens or 20s.

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on November 30, 2011
at 02:56 AM

yes it is, but i can't take credit for the adaptation - i read it somewhere in the paleosphere.

97c04f87a752ff0a5cf6be9d806c0334

(888)

on November 30, 2011
at 02:31 AM

"Nothing tastes as good as healthy feels" Awesome quote!

Medium avatar

(10663)

on November 30, 2011
at 02:44 AM

Is that quote adapted from Kate Moss who said "nothing tastes as good as skinny feels"? She obviously never had grass-fed bison cooked in butter before.

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on November 30, 2011
at 02:42 AM

I feel so much better bingeing on good paleo foods than bingeing on crap, that the choice is obvious! Eating way too much meat at a Yakiniku (bbq-ed beef) restaurant or gorging myself at a organic sm??rg??sbord restaurant on meats and vegetables makes me feel awesome - full to gills, but very satiated. Bingeing on garbage food makes me feel bloated and quite frankly terrible. so I just don't have the motivation to do it!

Feel like a binge? - get a humongous steak and cook it in garlic butter and knock yourself out!

To quote Tom Naughton's doctor from "Fathead" -

A diet is something you have to live with and live on forever.

I have arrived at that spot, it serves all my needs, even binges.

244e1f82efb3fd15d2da39397488fb24

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on November 30, 2011
at 03:08 AM

Haha, I'm there with you. I just wrote this blerb about me pretty much missing the highs of finally caving in and eating the junk food. It's gone. It's just gone. I don't crave it anymore, because it makes me feel absolutely terrible. When people ask me what I eat, I just tell them I'm on an ancestral/paleo lifestyle diet.

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244e1f82efb3fd15d2da39397488fb24

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on November 30, 2011
at 03:02 AM

I don't know what compels me - but every now and then (maybe once a month, or bi-monthly), I just force myself to have a "cheat" day, whether I have cravings or not. I just have this bizarre psychological need to be addicted to food, even though I no longer am - it's like I miss having a dependency on it. There must be something wrong with me, lol. So I force myself to eat foods I used to enjoy, like pizza or some ice cream cake, and I feel satisfied psychologically before eating. During eating, I am super disappointed that this is not giving me this "sweet relief" that I would normally have from the withdrawal symptoms (I am no longer addicted, so no sweet satisfaction!), so I end up not enjoying it at all, and I get more and more stressed out as the serving winds down because it's almost over and I haven't even really enjoyed the taste or texture of it that much yet. I feel like it was a waste of a "cheat day," so I try something else that used to give me that rush, and the same thing happens. I just end up feeling really sick and disappointed. I wonder if food is a gateway drug, lol.

Now, when I was on this uh, passionate, epic warpath to get rid of "junk," or "false" food and sugar cravings, what I did was I ate meat at every meal and I had unlimited starchless vegetables (less than 20 on the GI) and instead of sauces I would just melt cheeses or add butter and spices to them and dip in sour cream. So I was essentially balancing my blood sugar levels by not spiking them with the simpler kinds of carbohydrates. Later I started adding low glycemic fruit and vegetables in the 25-30 or less range and kept climbing steadily, and kept my blood sugar level even, which stopped the sugar cravings, and since junk food is usually packed with sugar, I lost the junk food cravings, too. And now, I can eat yams and I don't gain weight. And I used to be a low-carb junkie. Hah!

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on November 30, 2011
at 08:54 AM

Always think of your health - for me this is the only way I can stay Paleo when in 'tempting' situations like parties and on holidays! If it is just about weight its much easier to say 'What the hell' and have a binge, but if its about your health you know you have to look after yourself and stick to Paleo. Its also easier if SAD food mkes you sick, as it does for me!

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on November 30, 2011
at 02:28 AM

Honestly, I feel so good I'm really never overwhelming tempted. I was already eating a pretty clean diet before paleo with very few processed foods--just too many grains--so maybe that makes a difference. But, I think it also helps that I don't keep any tempting non-paleo foods in the house and I rarely go out to eat. There are a few things in the pantry for my son and dh because they are not following a totally paleo diet (Triscuits, breakfast cereal...that's probably about it), but none of those things have ever been tempting to me. I don't really like either one so it's not an issue.

Thanks for asking this question, though, because I should probably think through a plan in case I ever do get tempted to jump off the wagon.

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on November 30, 2011
at 02:29 PM

I've been at my goal weight for a couple of months after eating paleo/PHD/Archevore for more than a year. This goal means a lot to me and I don't want to jeopardize it for anything. I ate too much at Thanksgiving. I got a grip and didn't eat fruit or chocolate for one day and did eat eggs, meat and salad and got back on track. Yesterday I shared a piece of carrot cake with my spouse and only ate half of my half. I could feel the addiction to sugar kick in. I watched it happen and Miracle of Miracles, I stopped eating the cake. What empowerment. The thing was too sweet. I felt my body demanding it! I stopped because I don't.want.to.be.unhealthy and f.a.t. I am 69 and have never felt better.

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on November 30, 2011
at 03:30 AM

Having been down a very similar path in regards to starvation/binge etc, knowing that in some way the eating of SAD foods in an addiction really helps me keep away the unhealthy dietary choices. I suppose having parents who smoke and always being at them to quit also makes me motivated to fight my food addiction as I believe that I should practice what you preach. Don't be a quitter and sacrifice your health for addictive modern foods, by doing so your only letting the big companies who are slowly killing alot of people win and that's not what we want. As said above, in the long term nothing will taste or make you feel anywhere near as good as being and eating healthy does. Also as @FuelRestMotion said above, Yakiniku is an absolute experience for the paleo minded person, super fantastic, great bbq meats and vegetables, how can you go wrong!

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 30, 2011
at 02:18 AM

The tip I'd give is the one I wasn't able to follow on my previous diets: when you reach your desired weight, don't go back to eating all the junk that made you fat.

Previously, I always wound up in a binge that lasted at least until I regained all the weight. Now I have no desire for that food and any time I eat or accidentally get any neolithic stuff I have stomach issues.

The only place I feel safe and comfortable now is with the whole foods. Even I don't seem to be able to be fat on them!

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 30, 2011
at 02:28 AM

3 months in I got tempted. BUT, I got really sick. 3 weeks later, I was tempted again. BUT, I got even sicker. Now I am not tempted. I look at neolithic stuff and think, "Not food."

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 30, 2011
at 02:30 AM

I have the advantage that I stumbled upon ancestral eating because I was feeling awful all the time and had for years. When I felt so much better, the comparison was so sharp it became aversion therapy.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 30, 2011
at 02:29 AM

I have the advantage that I stumbled upon ancestral eating because I was feeling awful all the time and had for years. When I felt so much better, the comparison is now so sharp it became aversion therapy.

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on November 30, 2011
at 02:24 AM

Don't you ever get tempted to eat the old foods occasionally? I do, and I cave a little. Occasionally a lot. My brain just likes a treat from time to time, but I have to not let it get out of hand.

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on May 16, 2012
at 12:05 AM

Although losing more weight and keeping it off is important to me, I try not to make it my reason for staying away from unhealthy foods. In my spare time I make art, and that is very important to me. I eat to power my body well so I can do the things that matter most. If I eat crap I feel like crap. So I don't want to eat crap.

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on May 15, 2012
at 11:20 PM

WHat stops me from letting my body go is the combination of self respect and a strong desire to sleep with many beautiful women before my time is up, and then eventually find one to stay with. Nothing very noble. Just being honest.

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on May 15, 2012
at 11:32 PM

I have no idea why nobility would be rated over honesty. Plus one for you.

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on May 15, 2012
at 06:37 PM

I'm too cheap to buy new pants or clothes. So if I stray and put on a few pounds, I make myself suffer by wearing uncomfortable clothing.

I get right back in line. :-)

0faecc3397025eab246241f4dcd81f5e

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on May 15, 2012
at 09:35 PM

I notice I do this too, I have some beautiful designer clothes (go to my fave designers yearly rock bottom price sale) And I hate it when they start to get tight. Plus being a nutritionist means I have to look the part. I do take this seriously. But I also hate that my age and menopause is making it harder to maintain being as sleek as I would like.

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on May 15, 2012
at 03:46 PM

This is an old question, but I thought I'd mention something. I hear the word "cheat" a lot and maybe this means different things to different people. The only experience with Paleo education (aside from the internet) is Loren Cordain's book The Paleo Diet. I'm currently doing his level one menu which allows for three open meals a week. He encourages you not to go crazy and eat a tub of Ben and Jerry's, but leaves these areas open for people to have something that they've been wanting. I can't do gluten, grains or dairy for any reason, but on open meals I might have a bean salad or use Braggs Liquid Aminos on my cooking. Maybe a glass of wine. My boyfriend uses open meals for pizza, which I think is going a bit far, but hey, it's an open meal! We don't do anything that feels bad and we don't beat ourselves up for it because we're allotted that wiggle room. It seems to be working for us. I like the version of the paleo diet that I understand so far, because it gives me 80% strict Paleo and 20% to have that glass of red wine or piece of dark chocolate. I'm still losing weight and if it gets to the point where it's not working, we will get more strict. In my experience the guilt and anguish you go through when you feel like they have "failed" in some way can lead to the unhealthy mindset of binging (well I ate half the box of cookies, why not the rest?). Anyway, after the long ramble, the short of it is that I think strategically planned cheats that occur within the context of acceptance and enjoyment can go a long way to helping moderate otherwise unhealthy eating behavior.

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on May 16, 2012
at 09:48 AM

I too never eat food that is detrimental to my health.Strictly no gluten. I find that I do have to watch portion size and montitor myself constantly or I'll gain weight. I just sometimes find it a bit of a drag that I cant eat whatever I feel like - even if it is strict paleo, if I want to maintain my weight. Am I being too rigid? Is it okay to be more than 25% body fat?

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on November 30, 2011
at 07:41 PM

Unfortunately I don't know the answer to this! But I might have a perspective worth offering.

I've been paleo since Feb and not losing weight (beyond the first few kg) . . . I don't have the connection in my thinking between what I eat and my weight simply because it's still quite a mystery to me. I.e. I don't lose on low cal, low carb, high fat, or high protein, so quotes like Kate Moss's one about nothing tasting as good as being skinny just do not compute.

It's a really interesting question to consider in terms of the value people attach to different aspects of their life. My highest value at present is placed on eating to minimise IBS symptoms, and I'll go to extremes to make that happen.

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on May 16, 2012
at 03:17 PM

Two reasons:

a) I don't see such things as food. They remind me more of cardboard, and they'd probably taste and look like it, if it weren't for added flavors, odors, and color. The industry has it down to a science, and 90% of it is how to trick the consumer - it's all psyops. There's a whole industry making concentrated flavors in liquid form out there - for example, a very small drop of beaver anal gland extract provides a ton of strawberry flavor, and it can be labeled as "natural strawberry flavor" (or just natural flavor). Not something I'd want to eat - is it something you'd want? They also make vanilla flavoring from paper industry by-products, concentrated burger flavors, from who knows what that make something that would taste like sawdust, taste like real beef instead.

b) If I were to expose myself to things such as wheat, I'd have to suffer the consequences which include liquid excrement for two days, loss of resistance to cold and sickness for about three weeks. I can easily smell rancid oils such as canola or soy when stuff is fried in it, but I can't detect wheat until after the fact, and I certainly can't detect fake flavors or additives.

So if I do eat at a restaurant, I stick to sushi, or steak (yes, it might be glued), but I don't eat out very often. I'm ok with limited fries from time to time, if they have sweet potato fries, I order those, though sometimes they can be coated with flour (or canola oil, so they can be baked and still have fried like flavor), and they're always fried in bad oils. I also avoid things like ketchup, and mayo, salad dressing.

Funnily enough we went to a very good Italian restaurant for Mother's Day. I avoided the pizza and pasta and had pork chops, and some of the amazing seafood salad and antipasto. Sure some of it was smothered in a very good tomato sauce, but I don't have issues with nightshades.

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on May 15, 2012
at 09:32 PM

It seems to me refined grain products are worse than things sweetened with sugar. Once I broke the wheat addiction I was able to lose weight easily, and have since become an outlier (i.e. that statistically improbable person who loses weight and keeps it off for more than two years). I apply the no grains, legumes, or dairy (well, no casein) rule to any so-called cheats.

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on November 30, 2011
at 11:11 PM

A steak smothered in butter and seasoned with my favorite spices is more than enough motivation for me to not eat anything else. Even when I believed the lies that red meat was bad for you I still ate lots of it, and now that I know it's good for you it's pretty much the only thing I eat. The idea that anyone would choose anything over steak just blows my mind, and I'd have to rationalize it by thinking they've never had a properly cooked and seasoned steak before.

So I guess my advice would be to try some different steak recipes and see which ones you like. I just went to my local bulk foods store and bought some spices, for $30-$40, and they make a steak better than anything I've ever had in a restaurant at a fraction of the price. Other than that, the only thing I do to lose weight is fast. 24-48 hours between every meal, but when I eat I can eat until I'm completely stuffed.

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