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Weight Maintenance problems / Bruising ?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 15, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Hello everyone, I have had a lot of input from doctors and other dieticians/nutritionists and I realize that the wonderful community of Paleo Hacks probably should have been my first place to go, but alas, after all of what I have done, I am wondering if you guys can help.

Here's my situation :

I am 5'9" 27yr old female, medium build, 134-138lbs, BMR = 1350, BMI = 21 ish Body F % = 25-27%

One year ago I was 167lbs, I went Paleo and counted calories and lost 30lbs. I have been strict 100% Paleo for about 4 months now, no 80/20 for me because I fear the slippery slope of old habits.

Ok, so I am having a couple things go on, first, I am having a hard time maintaining my weight (ideally i'd like to just stabilize at 135ish) but it seems to really really fluctuate, meaning, if i consume a little extra fruit, or a single nut, it goes up. I eat very clean, i IF 2-3 times a week, I train 4-5 /per week, mostly a combination of HIIT and running, some crossfit in there as well, but only 1-2 crossfit style workouts per week.

I used to be a junior elite athlete in my teens racing for the national team (triathlon) and grew up in competitive sports (my dad is a cycling coach and i was raised on the saddle, so to speak) I think that because of this history ( correct me if this is wrong) but I can build muscle mass shockingly fast (about 8months ago I cross-fitted everyday for about 2months and built sooo much muscle so quickly, people were constantly astonished) but the problem is that if i make multiple errors and get loose with my diet that muscle mass converts to body fat faster than i can control...

All of that said, my goal is to keep my body fat % low, I am currently at around 25% or so and I would like to get it maybe to 22%....

I eat around 1300-1500cal a day with macros around 40/25/35 (fat/carb/pro) keeping my carbs ALWAYs under 100 grams/day. I should mention that this is not working very well as I experience pretty intense satiety problems, constantly feeling like I am not satisfied (could be mental though).

I don't know why but even with all of that figured out and focused on, I am not pleased with the results, I feel like I still store fat, or so it is visible to me. I would like to just stay in a fat burning zone while building lean muscle. What am i doing wrong?

One quick additional hack help : I had a full blood workup my doctors said every was immaculate...but I am covered (my legs mostly) in bruises, i mean everywhere, way too many to chalk it up to clumsy. I had platelets checked and iron all check out...any ideas?

You guys are incredibly helpful so thank you in advance for any of your time put into reading this.

A true Paleo Hacks fan...

59ee717de524f921efb7f2984157339f

(871)

on October 16, 2011
at 07:45 PM

wow. thats awesome..are you completely stable there? does it fluctuate? or move ? thats my problem...i just want to stay where I am but can't seem to stop my weight from creeping up, even though I eat 100% Paleo. Could muscle gain be what is causing the numbers to creep?

21b36b3de8ff31b0d41e7f0f4b5c1e03

(1688)

on October 16, 2011
at 04:39 PM

No, have always been that weight

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 16, 2011
at 02:22 PM

I posed the question of my bruising with eating extra salmon to Dr. Ayers a couple of years ago and he speculated that maybe I had driven my PUFA consumption so low that the omega 3 in the salmon extended my clotting time past normal. I picked up the K2 tip somewhere...

59ee717de524f921efb7f2984157339f

(871)

on October 16, 2011
at 01:40 PM

mem...interesting..so omega 3 supplementing might be the culprit?

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on October 16, 2011
at 04:32 AM

*dose* ^^^^^^^^

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on October 16, 2011
at 04:31 AM

Omgega 3fatty acids can extend blood clotting time which is more likely if you are taking a larger dow of them, say 3GM and above.

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on October 16, 2011
at 04:29 AM

Sigrid: Are you a weight reduced person? And if so, how much weight reduced?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 16, 2011
at 04:09 AM

Yeah I dont understand the salmon = bruising thing either?

1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

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on October 16, 2011
at 12:59 AM

do nooooot lower fat unless your SURE yoru hormones are perfect...

1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

(2231)

on October 16, 2011
at 12:58 AM

salmon=bruising???

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on October 16, 2011
at 12:26 AM

Well, I'm thinking you meant mono and saturated, but yeah you want to first decrease polyunsaturated fats down to a pretty low level and then decrease mono or saturated fats until you start losing again.

59ee717de524f921efb7f2984157339f

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on October 16, 2011
at 12:07 AM

Rogue...energy is ok. not great. I think you are right, I just am scared to increase calories I guess...will I gain initially as I eat more while my metabolism catches up? how long will my body take o adjust to an increase in food? and should i increase proteins mostly?

59ee717de524f921efb7f2984157339f

(871)

on October 16, 2011
at 12:03 AM

Yes...Jay...that is what i was starting to think as well.

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on October 15, 2011
at 11:59 PM

My initial thoughts are that you could likely ramp up your metabolism by eating more and training less. I've gotten into patterns in the past with too little food and too much exercise, and my metabolism really slowed down. Do you IF two to three whole days, or just a smaller eating window on those days? There was a good IF study linked in a thread maybe yesterday that could help you maximize those days. Also, how's your energy level?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 15, 2011
at 11:26 PM

I'm thinking along the lines of this also....just seems like at your activity level your calories are quite low, maybe to the extent of triggering storage.

59ee717de524f921efb7f2984157339f

(871)

on October 15, 2011
at 11:22 PM

Travis, one thing that leaves me puzzled is that there is a lot of talk on here that says to loose fat one should increase fat...I just feel conflicted with that, I watch my types of fat and make sure that they are mono and poly but should i decrease it as a whole?

59ee717de524f921efb7f2984157339f

(871)

on October 15, 2011
at 11:12 PM

I will definitely get some Vit K. Thank you

59ee717de524f921efb7f2984157339f

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on October 15, 2011
at 11:12 PM

Sigrid, I completely agree with you, and it is something I am quite confused about myself. I do create a caloric defecit but always meet my BMR...I just don't know if upping my calories will help me loose? or gain? or maintain? could you tell a little more about what makes up your 1900 in a day? I would love to be 121... :)

59ee717de524f921efb7f2984157339f

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on October 15, 2011
at 10:15 PM

Thanks Travis, I was hoping for a response from you :) will do!

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21b36b3de8ff31b0d41e7f0f4b5c1e03

(1688)

on October 15, 2011
at 10:23 PM

I am no expert, but you really don't seem to eat a lot. I am also 5'9", 121 lbs and I eat around 1900 calories a day, even though I don't train as much as you. I'm not surprised you're hungry. Have you tried upping the fat closer to 60%, and cutting down a bit on the carbs and proteins? I find I'm less hungry when I eat more fat.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 15, 2011
at 11:26 PM

I'm thinking along the lines of this also....just seems like at your activity level your calories are quite low, maybe to the extent of triggering storage.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on October 16, 2011
at 04:29 AM

Sigrid: Are you a weight reduced person? And if so, how much weight reduced?

59ee717de524f921efb7f2984157339f

(871)

on October 16, 2011
at 07:45 PM

wow. thats awesome..are you completely stable there? does it fluctuate? or move ? thats my problem...i just want to stay where I am but can't seem to stop my weight from creeping up, even though I eat 100% Paleo. Could muscle gain be what is causing the numbers to creep?

59ee717de524f921efb7f2984157339f

(871)

on October 15, 2011
at 11:12 PM

Sigrid, I completely agree with you, and it is something I am quite confused about myself. I do create a caloric defecit but always meet my BMR...I just don't know if upping my calories will help me loose? or gain? or maintain? could you tell a little more about what makes up your 1900 in a day? I would love to be 121... :)

59ee717de524f921efb7f2984157339f

(871)

on October 16, 2011
at 12:03 AM

Yes...Jay...that is what i was starting to think as well.

21b36b3de8ff31b0d41e7f0f4b5c1e03

(1688)

on October 16, 2011
at 04:39 PM

No, have always been that weight

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on October 18, 2011
at 12:35 AM

Please share all the data related to your platelets from the CBC like MPV, Pct, PDW plus the specific platelet number (lower or higher range?) You should test your bleeding time as well for deviations. All these provide a more complete picture and can indicate slight platelet abnormalities. Vitamin K does help increase platelet numbers and thus decreases bruising. Vitamin C slight deficiency might also be presents especially if you have bleeding gums and in general strict Paleo results in lower vitamin C intake. Also, consider if you take any blood thinners like fish oil, aspirin, etc...

Check this article and the referenced books: http://www.livestrong.com/article/411201-bruising-vitamins/

You might want to check this study if absolutely all platelet numbers are well in range and vitamin K does not help: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1080028

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on October 16, 2011
at 04:03 AM

I have ITP (idiopathic thrombocytopenia purpora) so when I hear about unexplained bruising, I always urge folks to get their platelets checked. Since you did that, I'd just urge you to keep an eye one them.

Other than that, vitamin K can be helpful. Also, if you're taking a lot of fish oil, that can act as a blood thinner/anti-coagulant, which could cause bruising.

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on October 16, 2011
at 03:11 AM

I would keep tinkering and find that happy spot that works for you. There's no overnight solution as much as we would all like there to be. I tend to agree with Travis in upping your lean protein and adding a few carbs, especially considering your activity levels. If you are not feeling satisfied, that is certainly your body telling you something (and given your 100% Paleo claim it is not a reaction to sugar). Most importantly, relax. Continue to eat cleanly and stay active. Things will work themselves out.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 15, 2011
at 10:22 PM

I have had bruising while eating VLC and very low PUFA's. Adding Vitamin K2 stopped it. I take one a day of Jarrows K2 MK-7 90mcg. If I eat salmon more than once a week I might see some bruising and just double the K2 for a few days.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 16, 2011
at 04:09 AM

Yeah I dont understand the salmon = bruising thing either?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 16, 2011
at 02:22 PM

I posed the question of my bruising with eating extra salmon to Dr. Ayers a couple of years ago and he speculated that maybe I had driven my PUFA consumption so low that the omega 3 in the salmon extended my clotting time past normal. I picked up the K2 tip somewhere...

59ee717de524f921efb7f2984157339f

(871)

on October 15, 2011
at 11:12 PM

I will definitely get some Vit K. Thank you

59ee717de524f921efb7f2984157339f

(871)

on October 16, 2011
at 01:40 PM

mem...interesting..so omega 3 supplementing might be the culprit?

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on October 16, 2011
at 04:31 AM

Omgega 3fatty acids can extend blood clotting time which is more likely if you are taking a larger dow of them, say 3GM and above.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on October 16, 2011
at 04:32 AM

*dose* ^^^^^^^^

1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

(2231)

on October 16, 2011
at 12:58 AM

salmon=bruising???

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on October 15, 2011
at 10:14 PM

I think the nutrient deficiency most associated with bruising is vitamin C, so increase your intake of that.

As far as losing fat goes, just decrease fat intake, increase lean protein intake and increase low intensity exercise.

59ee717de524f921efb7f2984157339f

(871)

on October 15, 2011
at 11:22 PM

Travis, one thing that leaves me puzzled is that there is a lot of talk on here that says to loose fat one should increase fat...I just feel conflicted with that, I watch my types of fat and make sure that they are mono and poly but should i decrease it as a whole?

59ee717de524f921efb7f2984157339f

(871)

on October 15, 2011
at 10:15 PM

Thanks Travis, I was hoping for a response from you :) will do!

1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

(2231)

on October 16, 2011
at 12:59 AM

do nooooot lower fat unless your SURE yoru hormones are perfect...

Medium avatar

(39821)

on October 16, 2011
at 12:26 AM

Well, I'm thinking you meant mono and saturated, but yeah you want to first decrease polyunsaturated fats down to a pretty low level and then decrease mono or saturated fats until you start losing again.

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