I know there have been a couple of other similar questions but they don't specifically address what I'm looking for. I'm currently staying with relatives and while they have been really accomodating and supportive, it's just not feasible for me to eat the same amount of meat I would have been eating if I were living alone. Also, I'd like to stick to non-CAFO and this isn't always possible here either. I was thinking that in the meantime I could switch to a more veg and fruit based diet, with meat playing a more supplementary role. I crave a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables in the summer anyway and any changes I make would be temporary. Until this point, I've been eating meat at least twice a day, with a good amount of vegetables. It's been working really well for me in terms of weight loss and mental clarity (I also have PCOS and thyroid issues) so I'm a little apprehensive about making a change. Has anyone shifted from a more meat-based diet to a plant-based one? I should also mention I hate chicken and any fish that's not salmon/tuna sashimi. I will however eat shellfish. Any ideas/input? Thanks!
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on June 01, 2012
at 10:12 PM
I'd go for really nutrient dense foods if you are sorting out hormonal issues. Don't drop the protein, just find other ways to get it. Free-range eggs are usually available if you look. Canned salmon (wild-caught) and smoked oysters are a great meat replacement.
I don't like to cook much in the summer, so in addition to the above, I rely on hot dogs (pastured pork or grass-fed beef) that can stay frozen until heating. Or liver pat??. You can order both from US Wellness Meats.
on June 01, 2012
at 02:01 AM
i eat twice a day, usually eggs, hot sauce, kraut and maybe some pate or smoked salmon for breakfast, and some meat for dinner though that is often fish. im not a terribly big fan of meat, and i love my veggies. a good snack for me is a salad with all sorts of things in it (fruit and veg), or some veggies and fat. i love roasted cauliflower with various spices, or roasted broccoli with almonds and lemon juice on it. i eat tons of sister slaw, or "pancakes" made from eggs, mashed sweets, pecans fried in coconut oil, and kale & honeydew salad is a summer treat, or a bowl of berries with cream. if someone told me tomorrow that i couldnt eat anymore meat, i would shed a tear for lamb but otherwise just move on with my life not missing much. i was noticing tonight while grocery shopping that my shopping cart was looking a lot like denise mingers must look.
on June 03, 2012
at 04:13 AM
Try to incorporate seafood and pastured eggs (unless you have egg issues). You might do well with low carb. PCOS is an insulin problem and many low carb and Paleo docs treat it like diabetes - low carb Paleo! Google those keywords and there are various blogposts, bloggers, and articles on this.
There are people with receptor and other problems of the thyroid that have NORMAL TSH but borderline or abnormal one or more of the following tests so you must have these checked:
Total T4 (TT4) AND Free T4 (FT4)
Resin T3 Uptake (T3U/T7/T3RU) AND Free T3 (FT3)
Reverse T3 (rT3)
Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies (TPOAb) AND Thryoglobulin Antibodies (TGB Ab)
Thyroid-Stimulating Immunoglobins (TSI) AND TSH stimulating Antibodies (TSAb)
If you have negative to all the thyroid antibodies hen I would supplement with iodine and selenium. You can do 150 mcg (micrograms) of selenium daily but iodine slowly increase. For example week 1 take daily 150 mcg (micrograms) of kelp (iodine), week 2 take 300 mcg daily, week 3 take daily 450 mcg, week 4 take daily 600 mcg. Most people without any antibodies to thyroid function (no sign of Hashimoto's autoimmune thyroid) will do well with 600 mcg to 1 gram (1000 micrograms) of kelp a day.
You should work with a functional/holistic practitioner who supports Paleo and can track and order the bloodwork/hormone panels. Do not try to do this yourself. You need help, but understand the science behind it.
Also read 2 books: Kharrazian discusses PCOS, thyroid, Vitamin D deficiency, and celiac being connected!
Why Do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms? When My Lab Tests Are Normal: A Revolutionary Breakthrough In Understanding Hashimoto's Disease and Hypothyroidism by Dr. Datis Kharrazian, DHSc, DC, MS, MNeuroSci, FAACP, DACBN, DABCN, DIBAK, CNS - chiropractic doctor
Iodine: Why you need it, Why you can't live without it by Dr. David Brownstein, MD
Chris Kresser, a licensed acupuncturist, (also Paleo) has written a lot on thyroid/iodine, among many other topics on blogposts.
For more Paleo Diet hacks: Are people curing hypothyroid??? - PaleoHacks.com http://paleohacks.com/questions/106904/are-people-curing-hypothyroid#ixzz1uTzNmOCY
Despite being generally a stimulant, caffeine (examples: coffee, tea, cola, chocolate) acts on thyroid function as a suppressant. Indeed some studies on rats suggest that excess caffeine in conjunction with a lack of iodine may promote the formation of thyroid cancers. Masterjohn recommends no more then 5 servings of goitrogens/week and Kresser no more then 3-6 servings/week for anyone with thyroid issues. Paul Jaminet, Chris Masterjohn, and Chris Kresser have written well on this.
http://www.westonaprice.org/basics/bearers-of-the-cross Fermentation makes soy goitrogens worse! http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2010/10/fermentation-does-not-neutrailize.html
For more Paleo Diet hacks: Hack my non-weight loss - I have celiac, PCOS and possible thyroid problems and possible MS :( - PaleoHacks.com http://paleohacks.com/questions/100060/hack-my-non-weight-loss-i-have-celiac-pcos-and-possible-thyroid-problems-and-p#ixzz1whSsfl4S
on June 03, 2012
at 11:33 AM
To me this is similar to eating when you are traveling.
I would definitely stock up a bit on good sources of protein. So canned wild salmon/tuna/shrimp/oysters/crab. Wild planet is a great source here.
Steve's Original - http://stevesoriginal.com/store has some great beef jerky and some other great products that you can store at your relatives.
I would rely heavily on coconut oil for a good source of saturated fat, if you do eat CAFO meat, and trim the fat.
On days where you protein is low, and you are low on meat, here is where I go a bit outside the paleo box with either some diary or soaked lentils. If properly prepare the lentils, you can get rid of most of the anti-nutrients.
I would actually up your carb intake a bit here as it might be tough eating enough good quality protein and fat. I would stick to safe starches - yams, sweet potato, squashes, white rice, banana, yucca, etc.
I am also okay with upping fruit. I have been doing this myself, despite the fact that the paleo world seems to freak out over fructose, even if its natural setting. The summer is definitely appropiate time to be eating some more fruit.
Of course, don't forget about the rest of your gameplan :) Stress in check, move around, and rest. I think you will be just fine. Good luck :)
on June 01, 2012
at 09:47 PM
I am doing this right now, shifting to more plants and less meat, and since it's early in the process, I don't have too much insight. PCOS is tricky; I don't have it, but I do have hypothyroidism that waxes and wanes (mostly managed by paleo as long as I don't eat too much sauerkraut and avoid going too LC).
I am doing it because I don't like cooking when it's hot outside, I'm trying to save money, and I'm worried that eating so much meat is negatively affecting my hormones. Maybe it's not true -- for some reason I just feel like I've noticed increased vellus hairs on my jaw. And I read this old thread about whether heavier meat consumption could lead to increased hair growth on the face and body for women: http://paleohacks.com/questions/55935/unwanted-hair-could-it-be-too-much-testosterone#axzz1wa1KEOwz (It was inconclusive, but I thought I might as well experiment on myself.)
I think it's probably safe to cut back on meat as long as you don't replace it with wheat, vegetable oil or processed foods.