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Putting on weight in ketosis?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 25, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Is this normal? Admittedly, I've only been eating in a ketosis-inducing way (less that 35g carbs, 80% fat) for a couple of days, but so far nothing good is happening. I'm eating calorically more this way than I normally do, because of all the coconut I'm consuming, but from what I've read here that should be okay, no? But I've definitely put on a few pounds already. I'm taking a week-long break from exercise (mostly cardio)- I have no idea what effect that might have.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

http://perfecthealthdiet.com/the-diet/ for the macros. http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss for the mechanics of fat loss.

18c50285011cd53a9b3e9bfb3118212c

(43)

on March 18, 2012
at 04:34 PM

Lost the added lbs plus 2 more! Inch loss very noticable, fitting into my smaller sizes without the scales moving. Generally feel great, I like that!

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on February 28, 2012
at 03:01 PM

Yeah Celine, that is more or less right. No counting calories, and given some time for the metabolic shift ketosis IS great for weight loss. Part of what this eating style does is satiate you better. Like I said, I consider calorie counting something 99% should not have to do. Time is the ultimate factor. Do it for a full month (at least according to mem) and then see were you are and how you feel. Don't forget to take measurements cause if you lose inches, but the scale don't budge that still indicates significant fat loss.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on February 28, 2012
at 02:58 PM

Yeah Celine, that is more or less right. No counting calories, and given some time for the metabolic shift ketosis IS great for weight loss. Part of what this eating style does is satiate you better. Like I said, I consider calorie counting something 99% should not have to do. Time is the ultimate factor. Do it for a full month and then see were you are and how you feel. Don't forget to take measurements cause if you lose inches, but the scale don't budge that still indicates significant fat loss.

Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

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on February 28, 2012
at 02:40 PM

Thanks so much PaleoGran! I'm glad I've been corrected in my ketosis misperceptions, or I would have just carried on gaining weight and being very weary of meat for two weeks.

Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

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on February 28, 2012
at 02:36 PM

Damn. Thanks Manimal- I feel like kind of an idiot now for not assuming this, but ketosis gets such cred on this board! I mean, if weight on ketosis still equals energy in and energy out, what's all the fuss about?

Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

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on February 28, 2012
at 02:33 PM

Diet Diva, I feel you, I don't think I can handle gaining weight for two weeks not knowing whether I'll adapt! I have Hashimoto's, maybe that factors in in some unfathomable way.

Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

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on February 28, 2012
at 02:31 PM

Thanks- I guess its good for me to get a reality check! To me, that's not a win, having my appetite shrink- I love eating when properly hungry! Low-carb is so monotonous for me that I end up eating tons of coconut out of boredom because its the only thing I can eat other than meat. LC fail. Bummer about the non-magic coconut.

Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

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on February 28, 2012
at 02:26 PM

Thanks JayJay- while this is encouraging, now I'm all confused though, even by my normal Paleohacks standards! I honestly thought ketosis WAS supposed to be kind of a magic weight loss thing on which one can consume more calories than the norm without gaining weight, but I'm hearing otherwise- its not that I get hungry, I just get so bored of eating that low-carb that I can't handle it without the equivalent of about 6 coconuts a day!

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on February 26, 2012
at 08:20 PM

Excellent as always mem. I'm curious what makes the OP think she's in ketosis anyway?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on February 26, 2012
at 01:49 AM

Counting calories is something I would rank as ...."last chance" method. I dont think your there yet :)

C74581a453f1379b7a617461e2940281

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on February 25, 2012
at 04:29 PM

LOL funny phone, "runs" should be tuna, and I don't know what the heck Shiu was ?

C74581a453f1379b7a617461e2940281

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on February 25, 2012
at 04:25 PM

I just started cooking with coconut oil, because I was cooking with olive oil, and was told that it should never be heated up, its Not a cooking oil? I really like cooking with butter even better, but my cholesterol levels don't. Now I wondering if I'm in a stalled phase because I haven't lost anymore weight for Shiu 2 wks now? I only drink green tea, and water, eat mostly fatty chicken, runs, beef, salmon, eggs,avacados, cabbage,& other veggies, sweet potatoes only! I have cut out all sugars,dairy,& breads! I go to "curves" 2x a week. I don't weigh, or count calories. Maybe I should?

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

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on February 25, 2012
at 01:37 PM

Ooops, sorry. That ought to be "weighing and tracking".

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

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on February 25, 2012
at 01:37 PM

Celine, I eat similar ratios, but don't use coconut oil. I eat 20-30g/CHO/d, and 50-75g/PRO/d. I have to limit the amount of fat I eat in order for my body to burn fat stored in my body. Low carb is not a magic weight loss method for some of us. Some of us have to limit how much food we eat, too. I weigh the meat and cheese, and measure the fats I eat. For some of us, weighing and tracing is necessary. Best wishes to you. :)

Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

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on February 25, 2012
at 11:43 AM

Oh. Well geez, who wants to be less hungry? Forget that. Thanks Peter!

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Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on February 26, 2012
at 07:32 PM

You are NOT in ketosis. Getting into ketosis and gluconeogenesis is a process that takes a minimum of two weeks and to get into full, functional ketosis, 4-6 weeks. And if you have a"cheat" meal or carb spike day, you go back to square one. You do not resume a ketotic diet on the next day and resume being in ketosis.

The coconut oil you are consuming is simply to ease you into ketosis/gluconeogenesis with the least discomfort possible.

Watch and listen to this. Then watch and listen to it again. Take notes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkdFkPxxDG8

And consider buying Phinney's book, which also comes in a Kindle edition.

http://www.amazon.com/Art-Science-Low-Carbohydrate-Living/dp/0983490708/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330284400&sr=8-1

Watch and listen carefully. When you get the right information and really understand and assimilate it, it makes all the difference in the world.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on February 26, 2012
at 08:20 PM

Excellent as always mem. I'm curious what makes the OP think she's in ketosis anyway?

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04be30426fd2155747fe7eb27b0951b9

on February 25, 2012
at 12:17 PM

There's nothing magical about ketosis and you will still gain if energy in exceeds energy out. Ketosis is not neccessary for fatloss and you shouldn't put coconut and other fat sources everywhere. Focus on more protein from meat/eggs/dairy + green veggies and don't add any fats other than some fishoil. You'll be getting enough fats from your protein sources and don't have to worry about ketosis.

Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

(431)

on February 28, 2012
at 02:36 PM

Damn. Thanks Manimal- I feel like kind of an idiot now for not assuming this, but ketosis gets such cred on this board! I mean, if weight on ketosis still equals energy in and energy out, what's all the fuss about?

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7d01d86c539003eed77cf901bf037412

(1076)

on February 25, 2012
at 06:22 PM

Ketosis means that your body is using mostly fat for fuel. IF you are eating less energy than you burn, then yay, it'll be mostly stored fat that your body uses, and you will shrink. But if you are eating more energy, then you will still be laying down fat faster than you burn it. The win in ketosis is that most people are a lot less hungry. It does not add up to fat loss by itself.

If I go to ketosis I will usually undereat without planning to, because my appetite just shrinks. But this might not be true for you. And coconut is not a magic free fat loss food. The fats in it are easy to digest and it's a good choice for promoting ketosis, but if you eat enough of it, you can still get fatter on it.

Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

(431)

on February 28, 2012
at 02:31 PM

Thanks- I guess its good for me to get a reality check! To me, that's not a win, having my appetite shrink- I love eating when properly hungry! Low-carb is so monotonous for me that I end up eating tons of coconut out of boredom because its the only thing I can eat other than meat. LC fail. Bummer about the non-magic coconut.

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on February 25, 2012
at 03:40 PM

Its only been a couple of days...your not well adapted yet. Your bodies satiety signals and your ability to utilize fat for fuel are not anywhere near optimal at this point. It takes time. For me nothing budged for a couple of weeks, then the goo just started melting off all the sudden. Keep it up and you will adapt.

C74581a453f1379b7a617461e2940281

(38)

on February 25, 2012
at 04:25 PM

I just started cooking with coconut oil, because I was cooking with olive oil, and was told that it should never be heated up, its Not a cooking oil? I really like cooking with butter even better, but my cholesterol levels don't. Now I wondering if I'm in a stalled phase because I haven't lost anymore weight for Shiu 2 wks now? I only drink green tea, and water, eat mostly fatty chicken, runs, beef, salmon, eggs,avacados, cabbage,& other veggies, sweet potatoes only! I have cut out all sugars,dairy,& breads! I go to "curves" 2x a week. I don't weigh, or count calories. Maybe I should?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on February 26, 2012
at 01:49 AM

Counting calories is something I would rank as ...."last chance" method. I dont think your there yet :)

C74581a453f1379b7a617461e2940281

(38)

on February 25, 2012
at 04:29 PM

LOL funny phone, "runs" should be tuna, and I don't know what the heck Shiu was ?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on February 28, 2012
at 02:58 PM

Yeah Celine, that is more or less right. No counting calories, and given some time for the metabolic shift ketosis IS great for weight loss. Part of what this eating style does is satiate you better. Like I said, I consider calorie counting something 99% should not have to do. Time is the ultimate factor. Do it for a full month and then see were you are and how you feel. Don't forget to take measurements cause if you lose inches, but the scale don't budge that still indicates significant fat loss.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on February 28, 2012
at 03:01 PM

Yeah Celine, that is more or less right. No counting calories, and given some time for the metabolic shift ketosis IS great for weight loss. Part of what this eating style does is satiate you better. Like I said, I consider calorie counting something 99% should not have to do. Time is the ultimate factor. Do it for a full month (at least according to mem) and then see were you are and how you feel. Don't forget to take measurements cause if you lose inches, but the scale don't budge that still indicates significant fat loss.

Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

(431)

on February 28, 2012
at 02:26 PM

Thanks JayJay- while this is encouraging, now I'm all confused though, even by my normal Paleohacks standards! I honestly thought ketosis WAS supposed to be kind of a magic weight loss thing on which one can consume more calories than the norm without gaining weight, but I'm hearing otherwise- its not that I get hungry, I just get so bored of eating that low-carb that I can't handle it without the equivalent of about 6 coconuts a day!

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18c50285011cd53a9b3e9bfb3118212c

on February 25, 2012
at 11:42 AM

Yeah, I've gained too. I went from a very low fat version of paleo to high fat so I guess my system if trying to adjust. If this keeps up though I'll freak.

Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

(431)

on February 28, 2012
at 02:33 PM

Diet Diva, I feel you, I don't think I can handle gaining weight for two weeks not knowing whether I'll adapt! I have Hashimoto's, maybe that factors in in some unfathomable way.

18c50285011cd53a9b3e9bfb3118212c

(43)

on March 18, 2012
at 04:34 PM

Lost the added lbs plus 2 more! Inch loss very noticable, fitting into my smaller sizes without the scales moving. Generally feel great, I like that!

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6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on February 25, 2012
at 11:02 AM

Really? You're eating more calories than you used to and you're putting on weight? That is strange. Maybe you need to eat even less carbs. Of course i'm joking.

One of the benefits with ketosis is that it will make you less hungry, therefore you should be able to cut your calories with little effort. It should also take you a couple of days to get into keto, so you may not be there yet or only just there.

Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

(431)

on February 25, 2012
at 11:43 AM

Oh. Well geez, who wants to be less hungry? Forget that. Thanks Peter!

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76810b88f822fe3d8cf5399862d1068a

on May 21, 2013
at 04:55 AM

For me, I've gained weight (just a little) but I have gotten a flatter stomach and more shapely, toned body. I never weigh myself anymore, I just go by what the mirror says.

If you were an average weight to begin with, you may end up gaining weight, but that doesn't mean that you are gaining fat.

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7163dd2ca52f0ae34e33deccec9008d9

on May 21, 2013
at 02:05 AM

I gained 10 pounds quickly, but then cut down on the calories a bit and added gelatin and have woken up 5 pounds lighter over night. I read this happened to someone else after trying gelatin at night.

0
7163dd2ca52f0ae34e33deccec9008d9

on May 16, 2013
at 04:13 AM

I'm gaining in ketosis, but am feeling stronger. I think I'll just use the extra energy to try to build muscles. Patience they say.

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5deff6dd83bf8427ef65eb9a072f93c1

on May 08, 2013
at 11:30 AM

I'm having the same problem. I have been stuck at 220-224 for about 4 weeks. I decided to do the fat fast for 3 days. I was 223.8lbs when I started and after 3 days of being in ketosis I was down to 218.2. I finally got over my weight loss plateau. I started looking around online and found an article that said peoples diet should consist of 50%-70% fat. Then I read an article where people said they lost weight quickly by eating 80% fat. I also read that eating too much protein could cause weight gain. I've reduced my protein to 100-120g a day and eat 80% fat. In the last week after losing weight on the 3 day fat fast I've gone from 218.2 to 224.4. I'm freaking out. Ketone sticks say I'm in ketosis. I'm now counting calories and I'm hungry. Should I just stick with the 80% fat diet and wait to adapt or quit while I'm ahead?

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

http://perfecthealthdiet.com/the-diet/ for the macros. http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss for the mechanics of fat loss.

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