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Please Help ME!!! Weight Gain on Paleo!

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created July 26, 2011 at 12:00 AM

It seems like no matter what I do I just keep gaining! I went Paleo (again) 6 weeks ago and am heavier than ever. I haven't had any sugar, grains, or dairy, or even stevia! Alot of coconut though, in all its forms, oil, milk, and cream. Some berries sometimes but wtf???!! If I eat 3 oz. of the coconut cream it is 600 calories and I'm still hungry. I've read this site for hours on end, I've started lifting weights, still practicing ashtanga yoga, and am active, and sleeping a bunch, and I am bursting out of my jeans....HELP! I currently weigh at least 140 and I will not weigh myself to be sure because I know. I used to weigh 120 and that would be perfect for my height (5'6") and frame. I've been taking fish oil, and lots of water, and enzymes. Please I need to lose 20lbs in 6weeks or at least move in that direction. Thank you for your help! Ps I know about fitday and all that, I'm saying nothing seems to be working. The only time I've lost weight before was with "Eat to Live" low-fat vegan, beans and such. Yuck! I'm thinking the best thing may be like Robb Wolf suggests and eat lots of veggies with lean meat, because this high-fat is making me fat, there's no way around it!

91d422b073139d35e0856967ba1c21d6

(1054)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

For your height, 120 pounds is probably too low. I'm shooting for 120 at 5'4" and at that point I will be extremely lean. As I say below, get the scale that shows body fat percentage and focus on reducing the amount of fat on your body not your overall weight.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 27, 2011
at 12:32 AM

Will check it out. Thanks Princess!

E5103bd115084c001999682686069a20

(286)

on July 26, 2011
at 09:33 PM

Coconut it addictive for me for sure. Meat and veggies for a while..Can't go wrong! Although if you say you felt ok as a vegan and lost weight I wonder if your particular body type just wants those type of nutrients. It's a possibility..right? I really wanted to be vegetarian and I tried it for 6 months and I was sick for most of those 6 months. My body just thrives on eating meat, vegetables fruits nuts. I don't think anything is one size fits all. Good luck!

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 26, 2011
at 08:49 PM

NOPE I was wrong, the first guy talks milk - Stephen talks food reward in the 2nd hour.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 26, 2011
at 04:42 PM

Stephan G is going to be on SHR later today - today's show should be posted by this afternoon - he's going to talk about Cordain's take on Milk - thought you'd like this http://superhumanradio.com/

91d422b073139d35e0856967ba1c21d6

(1054)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:45 PM

I think I received a couple of downvotes on this answer, would appreciate anyone's feedback regarding whether this was because of my discussion of the Master Cleanse, or the monthly friend thing, or the 1000-calorie restriction or what, so I can keep that in mind for future Q&A! I'm a feedback junkie especially if it's "constructive."

91d422b073139d35e0856967ba1c21d6

(1054)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:41 PM

For whatever it's worth, the "Eat Right for your Type" diet book advocates against coconut (even coconut oil) for people of certain blood types. I know most think that plan is bunk but it is something I'm aware of.

91d422b073139d35e0856967ba1c21d6

(1054)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:20 PM

I think my point about 120 being too low is that it's too low for you to be freaking out about. If you were 160 and needed to get to 140 I would better be able to understand your level of emotional distress over needing to lose the 20 lbs in 6 weeks. At 5'4" I'd love to eventually be at a lean 115 but anything lower than that I would have zero muscle tone. I want to be strong enough to fend off an attacker if needed (hey, I live in SF, you never know). Maybe it does come down to body type, I may have denser bones or something, or extra base muscle mass from being an athlete as a teenager.

91d422b073139d35e0856967ba1c21d6

(1054)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:15 PM

Nut's aren't bad for weight loss UNLESS you overeat them! Macadamia nuts are a great snack to forestall hunger and if you measure them out and then put away the rest you're fine. We act like nobody has any discipline whatsoever. There are some that do! (Not me though.) :)

91d422b073139d35e0856967ba1c21d6

(1054)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:12 PM

Blech..........

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 26, 2011
at 04:13 AM

GO TO BED JJ! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 03:48 AM

@LEIA - Hot!!!!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 03:28 AM

Oh snap! Well LOVE will have to get over it. Now I'm out

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:21 AM

Chill - can't you see that LOVE is new here? She can't possibly understand the likes of people who hijack comments to hash out their personal Star Wars rumbles.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 03:18 AM

Alright, I'm out. But we shall meet again my young padawan learner. The sleep deprivation is getting to me. I think my next Hack question will be "Is cocaine Paleo...if it allows you to stay awake longer to surf PH?"

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:12 AM

As dead as the love that Annakin and Padme left on Naboo.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 03:04 AM

So I am dead to you is what you are saying?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:02 AM

I couldn't give you props. It would be like walking up to the Mona Lisa and saying "good job da Vinci, I guess".

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:57 AM

C'mon dude, you have to admit my retort is f*cking hilarious. Props where props are due

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:56 AM

Oh shizz!!! Prepare for battle.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:52 AM

I'm sorry, you were saying?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:49 AM

Seriously! If Jar-jar appeared on paleohacks, I'd delete his account out of principle.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:46 AM

And the prequels were not stupid Mr "I Eat Fake Shit But Make Fun Of Episodes I-III Because I Am Old School And Think Lucas Totally F*cked Them Up ". I mean, seriously?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:45 AM

Ghee Wolverine...he's so hot right now

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:42 AM

Well played sir. Our attempts at comedic one-upsmanship reminds me of this. Maybe at AHS we can reenact - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InIxKCa3H9g&feature=related

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:37 AM

You might recognize me from my brief appearance in the stupid prequels, as Darth kaMaul.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:34 AM

I am totally Han Solo. Don't be hatin' cause I scored the princess (Meredith). Oh, that was smoooooth! Smooth like Billy Dee.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:29 AM

I'm not sure why, but I imagine you two as Lando Calrissian and Princess Leia. But then I get mad because you cheated on Han with his best friend. Hold on, am I on drugs right now, or just tired? I'm leaving this comment up as a reminder to get enough sleep.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:27 AM

@M - I saw baconbitch posting too so it's all good.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:26 AM

a shit load, do you think it matters how many exactly?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:24 AM

@K - What can I say. The white chicks dig me. My brown wife and I have an open relationship online so it's cool.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:23 AM

Dude - don't do! Those margarine zealots over there are f*cking insane!

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:21 AM

I'm all covert. I'm a phantom. I only exist in the COMMENTS!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:21 AM

Coconut cream and nuts (nut butters,too) can easily derail the best intentions and plans. Nothing innately wrong with them but they simply must be respected for their caloric density

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:19 AM

Danny, how many calories you eat daily?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:18 AM

Sounds awesome. You're going to end up just fine, don't worry! The paleo food choices will make you feel better, better energy, etc and when you tailor your caloric and macro intakes to suit your lifestyle you'll be fully able to control fat gain or fat loss. Smile and be in control!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:17 AM

Absolutely. You gotta at least know what you're feeding yourself. Keeping your head in the sand doesn't help. I'm still amazed at how reluctant people are to do this. Trite but true: knowledge is power.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:16 AM

@M - I'm glad you're back. Just pull a Costanza and act like it never happened - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlIMmuMQozc

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:15 AM

I 2nd that. There do seem to be a number of people here who have had sensitivities/allergies to coconut products. Swap the coconut for lard or tallow for a few weeks and see what happens. Are you possibly stressing out about the upcoming event that you are trying to lose the weight for? I gained almost 20 lbs. planning my wedding, my mom did the same thing, I think it might be a common phenomenon. I think it is viscous cycle you can get trapped in pretty easily, getting stressed about an event, the stress causes weight gain, which causes even more stress. Hang in there.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:01 AM

I am only white on the outside- I am only married on the outside too!

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:00 AM

erm, last sentence: "..this high-fat is making me fat, there's no way around it!" ---- sorry, i'm not trying to be a dick, just saying. i do like your optimism tho!!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 01:56 AM

You two are so cute. Aravind, as fellow Indian, I'm proud that you got yourself a white message board girlfriend.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 01:54 AM

Maybe I'll just take my business to the I Can't Believe It's Not Butter message board!

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 26, 2011
at 01:51 AM

shhhhhhhhhhhh I'm not here! I'm just winking at you from behind the bleachers :)

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 01:33 AM

Taoism: Shit happens; Hinduism: This shit happened before; Buddhism: It is only the illusion of shit happening; Zen: What is the sound of shit happening?; Islam: If shit happens, it is the will of Allah; Jehovah's Witness: Knock, knock, shit happens; Atheism: There is no such thing as shit; Agnosticism: Maybe shit happens, maybe it doesn't; Protestantism: shit won't happen if I work harder; Catholicism: If shit happens, I deserve it; Judaism: Why does shit always happen to me?; Televangelism: Send money or shit will happen to you; Rastafarianism: Smoke that shit; Unitarianism: Who gives a shit

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 26, 2011
at 01:30 AM

Sounds like you're taking in too many calories. If you eat beyond maintenance you will store body fat unless you are lifting weights to the extent that you're building new muscle mass. Lots of coconut product-consumption could just be giving you more cals than you realize. I'd say stop eating coconut products except for the oil, which is great for cooking. Stick with whole foods, it's a bit easier to understand how much you are consuming with whole foods I find.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on July 26, 2011
at 01:29 AM

kamal, you opened a sh!t storm on yourself here. so to speak...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 01:14 AM

@Melissa - I don't think that is the what we're discussing. There is a notable gaining of weight. I've never gained weight and always have been slim and the OP seems to be having a similar issue. For me, I've increased my upper abdomen. My lower is tight.

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

(2246)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:58 AM

She did not say she was getting fatter, she said he was not fitting in her jeans, I don't fit in any of my old jeans...

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 26, 2011
at 12:56 AM

have you seen this post? http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/2011/07/fasting-for-24-hours-and-ending-up-with.html

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:54 AM

"I Can't Believe It's Not Butter". Yes actually I can...

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 12:47 AM

Or maybe not real (since that shit is fake), but at least for coming clean that sometimes the end justifies the means

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:44 AM

I am assuming that you have already tried VLC for at least 30 days?

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:44 AM

erm, she hasn't weighed herself. i doubt she's gained 20 lbs, but if the girl says she's getting fatter, i believe her.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 12:43 AM

Would you fry your Samosas in that shit too? Oh wait, the first rule of Samosa Club... +1 for keeping it real

91d422b073139d35e0856967ba1c21d6

(1054)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:43 AM

Actually, for 5'6" 120 would be pretty darn low. My goal is 120 at 5'4" and will be extremely lean at that point. Again, get the body fat scale and focus on your fat percentage, not overall weight. And maybe you are exercising too much!

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:34 AM

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww @ICBINB

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:30 AM

i haven't lost a one teensy lb, but i haven't gained, thankgod. i know a lot of people say calories don't matter, but to gain weight you kinda must be eating more calories than you used to eat, and apparently, more than you're using now. i despise counting calories, but if i was gaining 3 lbs/week, i'd start. good luck.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 12:23 AM

Actually to be even more cliched - Paleo is a race with no finish line...well, death notwithstanding :-)

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 12:23 AM

Actually to be even more cliched - Paleo is a race with no finish line, death notwithstanding :-)

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:22 AM

i have lost a one teensy lb, but i haven't gained, thankgod. i know a lot of people say calories don't matter, but to gain weight you kinda must be eating more calories than you used to eat, and apparently, more than you're using now. i *despise* counting calories, but if i was gaining 3 lbs/week, i'd start. good luck.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:22 AM

Excellent question. I wasn't trying to lose weight when I went paleo but funny - paleo made me GAIN! I'm currently tweaking carb intake. Looking forward to the answers. I know I can't do the high fat like other paleos suggest.

Aeec781cc234fcae119d4a71532058f5

(2047)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:13 AM

Oh, Kamal...I had so much respect for you. ;) My mom used to carry that crap in her purse when we went to restaurants so she didn't have to use the evil butter. Seriously, I agree about cutting back on the coconut; it adds up fast.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:11 AM

i feel your pain. i have no advice to give, because i am fairing no better in the weight loss department. i try to focus on how much better i feel and change one variable every 2 weeks believing i will eventually find the right combination.

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21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:08 AM

First of all, cool screen name.

Second of all, have you tried laying off the coconut? It is easy to overconsume palatable fats. In place of such fat, you might try starches with a little bit of fat to taste. Parsnip fries, cauliflower rice, and mashed turnips are very low calorie. When I was hardcore losing weight, I sprayed "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" spray on stuff, even though it's sooooooo not paleo. But it also has zero calories and tastes a little bit like butter.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on July 26, 2011
at 01:29 AM

kamal, you opened a sh!t storm on yourself here. so to speak...

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 12:43 AM

Would you fry your Samosas in that shit too? Oh wait, the first rule of Samosa Club... +1 for keeping it real

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 01:54 AM

Maybe I'll just take my business to the I Can't Believe It's Not Butter message board!

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:54 AM

"I Can't Believe It's Not Butter". Yes actually I can...

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 12:47 AM

Or maybe not real (since that shit is fake), but at least for coming clean that sometimes the end justifies the means

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:23 AM

Dude - don't do! Those margarine zealots over there are f*cking insane!

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:34 AM

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww @ICBINB

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 01:33 AM

Taoism: Shit happens; Hinduism: This shit happened before; Buddhism: It is only the illusion of shit happening; Zen: What is the sound of shit happening?; Islam: If shit happens, it is the will of Allah; Jehovah's Witness: Knock, knock, shit happens; Atheism: There is no such thing as shit; Agnosticism: Maybe shit happens, maybe it doesn't; Protestantism: shit won't happen if I work harder; Catholicism: If shit happens, I deserve it; Judaism: Why does shit always happen to me?; Televangelism: Send money or shit will happen to you; Rastafarianism: Smoke that shit; Unitarianism: Who gives a shit

Aeec781cc234fcae119d4a71532058f5

(2047)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:13 AM

Oh, Kamal...I had so much respect for you. ;) My mom used to carry that crap in her purse when we went to restaurants so she didn't have to use the evil butter. Seriously, I agree about cutting back on the coconut; it adds up fast.

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9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

on July 26, 2011
at 01:49 AM

Why don't you post what you eat in a typical day so folks can have a hack at it. I am guessing that you are eating more calories than you realize. Switching to the Paleo diet usually means you need to eat a smaller VOLUME of food for the same calories. If you are eating the same volume of food as you did before but a lot more fat and protein, you mig be eating a LOT more calories.

Counting calories is a chore, but do it for a few days or a week just to be sure your estimates are right.

To lose weight, you need to run a calorie deficit (burn more than you eat), which you should measure per week instead of per day. You could try some fasting, such as skipping 1 or 2 meals per week, or fast one day a week. You need to be careful with the meal after a fast to be sure you don't overeat, but this is a great way to get your calories down. Figure you eat about 20 meals per week, skipping 1 or 2 of them means cutting your calories by 5-10%, which is probably just the right amount to put you on a slow weight loss.

It is almost impossible to lose more than 1-2 pounds per week, measured over a period of months. It sounds like you are frustrated, but I would not try to crash diet and lose 20 pounds, instead try to get yourself 2 pounds lighter within say 7-10 days, then identify what change you made to get there, and then you will have a plan to reach whatever weight you like.

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91d422b073139d35e0856967ba1c21d6

on July 26, 2011
at 12:31 AM

  1. I would invest in a scale that breaks down your body fat percentage, muscle percentage, and most importantly water weight. Believe it or not, if your body is dehydrated it will hold onto water and you will be bloated. You may think you drink lots of water but it may not be enough to avoid being dehydrated enough for bloating.

  2. The most scientifically proven plan for fast fat loss is a version of the ketogenic diet, which is NOT RECOMMENDED OR SUSTAINABLE LONG-TERM but it's an effective way to kickstart and see some results. It's not easy but it works. 1000 calories per day, shooting for 90% from nutrient-rich fats, in 5-a-day meals of 200 cals each.

  3. Not sure about the coconut cream. Go for coconut BUTTER. Two tablespoons are just 186 calories, 153 of which (82%) are from high-quality fat. And if you ate 2 full tablespoons of it as a snack you would feel pretty darn full.

  4. You might need to "reset" your appetite and mindset by going on a fast for a week. It's really difficult the first few days but then you get used to it and after that it's pretty easy to do restricted calorie plans. I reluctantly recommend the Master Cleanse with a reduced amount of the maple syrup. That's the simplest way to get into the "fasting" mentality in my opinion (no juicing). Do not substitute the maple syrup for something no-carb such as stevia. Not only does that starve your body, it makes your body think nutrients are coming and that makes your body crave food even more.

  5. I'm assuming you're a woman, hopefully that's right. Is it possible that right at this moment you're on a part of your cycle that would cause you to be particularly agro about food? See my "answer" on this thread for my thoughts and approaches. http://paleohacks.com/questions/51289/how-do-you-deal-with-an-unpredictable-appetite#axzz1T8ls0ybe

Apologies in advance if you're a man!

91d422b073139d35e0856967ba1c21d6

(1054)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:45 PM

I think I received a couple of downvotes on this answer, would appreciate anyone's feedback regarding whether this was because of my discussion of the Master Cleanse, or the monthly friend thing, or the 1000-calorie restriction or what, so I can keep that in mind for future Q&A! I'm a feedback junkie especially if it's "constructive."

91d422b073139d35e0856967ba1c21d6

(1054)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:43 AM

Actually, for 5'6" 120 would be pretty darn low. My goal is 120 at 5'4" and will be extremely lean at that point. Again, get the body fat scale and focus on your fat percentage, not overall weight. And maybe you are exercising too much!

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D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 12:20 AM

Why the 6 week deadline? Paleo is a marathon, not a sprint (chronic cardio pun intended)

Firstly, please read these

Lots of good advice in those links.

I'm definitely in the hormonal milieu school of thinking vis-a-vis calories-in/calories out. But at the end of the day you cannot escape the first law of thermodynamics. Rather than re-writing a bunch of stuff I've written before, I will link to them for your reference

Good luck!

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:01 AM

I am only white on the outside- I am only married on the outside too!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:34 AM

I am totally Han Solo. Don't be hatin' cause I scored the princess (Meredith). Oh, that was smoooooth! Smooth like Billy Dee.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 03:28 AM

Oh snap! Well LOVE will have to get over it. Now I'm out

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:37 AM

You might recognize me from my brief appearance in the stupid prequels, as Darth kaMaul.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 01:56 AM

You two are so cute. Aravind, as fellow Indian, I'm proud that you got yourself a white message board girlfriend.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:21 AM

I'm all covert. I'm a phantom. I only exist in the COMMENTS!

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 26, 2011
at 01:51 AM

shhhhhhhhhhhh I'm not here! I'm just winking at you from behind the bleachers :)

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 26, 2011
at 04:13 AM

GO TO BED JJ! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:21 AM

Chill - can't you see that LOVE is new here? She can't possibly understand the likes of people who hijack comments to hash out their personal Star Wars rumbles.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:16 AM

@M - I'm glad you're back. Just pull a Costanza and act like it never happened - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlIMmuMQozc

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 27, 2011
at 12:32 AM

Will check it out. Thanks Princess!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 12:23 AM

Actually to be even more cliched - Paleo is a race with no finish line...well, death notwithstanding :-)

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:27 AM

@M - I saw baconbitch posting too so it's all good.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:57 AM

C'mon dude, you have to admit my retort is f*cking hilarious. Props where props are due

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:56 AM

Oh shizz!!! Prepare for battle.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 03:48 AM

@LEIA - Hot!!!!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:46 AM

And the prequels were not stupid Mr "I Eat Fake Shit But Make Fun Of Episodes I-III Because I Am Old School And Think Lucas Totally F*cked Them Up ". I mean, seriously?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:52 AM

I'm sorry, you were saying?

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 26, 2011
at 04:42 PM

Stephan G is going to be on SHR later today - today's show should be posted by this afternoon - he's going to talk about Cordain's take on Milk - thought you'd like this http://superhumanradio.com/

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:02 AM

I couldn't give you props. It would be like walking up to the Mona Lisa and saying "good job da Vinci, I guess".

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:29 AM

I'm not sure why, but I imagine you two as Lando Calrissian and Princess Leia. But then I get mad because you cheated on Han with his best friend. Hold on, am I on drugs right now, or just tired? I'm leaving this comment up as a reminder to get enough sleep.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 03:18 AM

Alright, I'm out. But we shall meet again my young padawan learner. The sleep deprivation is getting to me. I think my next Hack question will be "Is cocaine Paleo...if it allows you to stay awake longer to surf PH?"

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:12 AM

As dead as the love that Annakin and Padme left on Naboo.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 12:23 AM

Actually to be even more cliched - Paleo is a race with no finish line, death notwithstanding :-)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:45 AM

Ghee Wolverine...he's so hot right now

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 03:04 AM

So I am dead to you is what you are saying?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:42 AM

Well played sir. Our attempts at comedic one-upsmanship reminds me of this. Maybe at AHS we can reenact - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InIxKCa3H9g&feature=related

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 26, 2011
at 02:24 AM

@K - What can I say. The white chicks dig me. My brown wife and I have an open relationship online so it's cool.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:49 AM

Seriously! If Jar-jar appeared on paleohacks, I'd delete his account out of principle.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 26, 2011
at 08:49 PM

NOPE I was wrong, the first guy talks milk - Stephen talks food reward in the 2nd hour.

5
A6e2259c98cd43aaa1288fd3e64e078e

(160)

on July 26, 2011
at 01:20 AM

Both nuts and coconut can be high calorie, but it could be your bodies reaction to it. You could have a food intolerance that is causing some inflamation, especially if you find yourself craving a specific food. Try leaving off or substituting something else for a suspicious food a few days and see if that tips the scale.

For example, I know for one I am eating more eggs now, and egg whites showed up as a pretty big intolerance and I tend to plateau as a result. White fish is also an issue for me, probably parvalbumin protien sensitivity. Those can cause me to not lose. Gluten exposure is definately a trigger.

Also, if you are building muscle, you will weigh more, but in that case clothes get looser and the tape measure shows a loss. if your clothes are getting tighter, that is probably not the problem.

Listen to your body and eat what makes you feel better.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:21 AM

Coconut cream and nuts (nut butters,too) can easily derail the best intentions and plans. Nothing innately wrong with them but they simply must be respected for their caloric density

91d422b073139d35e0856967ba1c21d6

(1054)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:41 PM

For whatever it's worth, the "Eat Right for your Type" diet book advocates against coconut (even coconut oil) for people of certain blood types. I know most think that plan is bunk but it is something I'm aware of.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:15 AM

I 2nd that. There do seem to be a number of people here who have had sensitivities/allergies to coconut products. Swap the coconut for lard or tallow for a few weeks and see what happens. Are you possibly stressing out about the upcoming event that you are trying to lose the weight for? I gained almost 20 lbs. planning my wedding, my mom did the same thing, I think it might be a common phenomenon. I think it is viscous cycle you can get trapped in pretty easily, getting stressed about an event, the stress causes weight gain, which causes even more stress. Hang in there.

3
0045c953640e03bae5701a784eb5c58d

on July 26, 2011
at 02:15 AM

I whole hardheartedly agree with UncleLongHair... He sounds just like my trainer!! Count those calories... yes it can be a pain. I didn't know where to start til I knew where I was at (calorie wise).

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:17 AM

Absolutely. You gotta at least know what you're feeding yourself. Keeping your head in the sand doesn't help. I'm still amazed at how reluctant people are to do this. Trite but true: knowledge is power.

3
Ab0369a70755bd07f44292b4ca8b2260

on July 26, 2011
at 01:08 AM

Paleo isn't a weight loss diet. Some people do lose weight but it's more men than women. Everyone is different. I too would be interested in calories you are consuming, and pro, fat and carb grams daily. I did zero carbs with Paleo and didn't lose weight until I started also counting calories.

3
C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

(2246)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:32 AM

I'm curious more about your waist line is this noticeable fat in the mirror or just the scale? Do you feel better? as others have said it is very easy to over due fat, coconut cream is one of the most dense fat source of calories I've found.

I burst out of most jeans I try to wear, my damn legs don't fit in them, but you also can't get a hold of any fat.

Take your scale and toss it out the window. Weighing ones self I believe is only useful if you want to use it for a % of weight lifted, I find it interesting information, or how much water you lose post workout (weigh before and after to see the difference in weight tells you how much water you lost during) other then that it just makes people all insecure about their weight and "I don't weight what i used to" does not tell you how much muscle you have or any other useful information.

I will put good money on it that you are also gaining muscle. You may need to give it more time, or you may need to cut back on the coconut cream. I wouldn't panic, I will put money on it you are getting stronger.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:44 AM

erm, she hasn't weighed herself. i doubt she's gained 20 lbs, but if the girl says she's getting fatter, i believe her.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:00 AM

erm, last sentence: "..this high-fat is making me fat, there's no way around it!" ---- sorry, i'm not trying to be a dick, just saying. i do like your optimism tho!!

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

(2246)

on July 26, 2011
at 12:58 AM

She did not say she was getting fatter, she said he was not fitting in her jeans, I don't fit in any of my old jeans...

2
E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on July 26, 2011
at 09:30 AM

I don't see any mention of protein in your post. That might be a factor. I could consume gallons of fat and would still be hungry if I didn't have enough protein. Protein is just intrinsically satiating anyway. What else are you eating other than fat? It would be surprising if you can eat almost all your calories from coconut, given how (literally) nauseating it is after a significant quantity.

So yes, I would suggest eating lots of leanish meat. Then simply add whatever you need to feel unhungry of either fat or low carb, low calorie vegetables (brocolli, cauliflower, cabbage, spinach etc.) each of these are satiating in quite different ways. As you may already be doing, once your protein needs are met, add fat (or fibrous vegetables) to satiety, rather than consuming large quantities of fat first off, for the sake of ingesting high fat, and adding food thereafter to stop being hungry.

2
B14dc4aa1ddefbec3bc09550428ee493

on July 26, 2011
at 04:38 AM

Were you dieting or restricting calories prior to this? If so, this is the inevitable bounceback as you start to feed your body. From your body's point of view, it doesn't know when the next famine is coming so it has become very efficient as turning food into stored fat just in case it has to live through another famine. The only way I know to get through this is to continue to eat good quality, nutrient-rich food, eat as much as your body asks for and tolerate the weight gain until your body reverses those metabolic changes. It's very tempting during this time to start restricting calories, but don't. You'll end up having to live on a reduced number of calories just to maintain your weight. Not fun.

If you haven't been restricting calories, just ignore what I'm saying. It may not apply to you.

2
6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on July 26, 2011
at 04:21 AM

My simple answer is to cut the coconut and add probiotic food like kim chi or kraut. I will also post a simple link for you to listen to.

http://thehealthyskeptic.org/podcast-episode-i-interview-with-stephan-guyenet-on-obesity-and-weight-loss

91d422b073139d35e0856967ba1c21d6

(1054)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:12 PM

Blech..........

2
078fbca7ed4145156f8cbd5e2fd70080

(55)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:15 AM

well, I should clarify- I didn't gain all 20 lbs in the past six weeks! but I have definitely been getting both fatter and larger, noticeably so. I threw my scale in the dumpster a while ago, but my loose pants are now tight, in a way that is not good. Cellulite. Sorry I am not talking about skinny people's problems here. Thank you for the advice. I am kissing the coconut cream goodbye for now...and going to start counting the calories...religiously. ug. I do feel much better than I did before I stopped eating grains and sugars, and nuts too, all of which were giving me scary abdominal pains and swollen belly. I can digest again, which is obviously more important than my too-tight jeans, but still I am going to rein in the calorie-consumption... Thank you everyone for your help!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:18 AM

Sounds awesome. You're going to end up just fine, don't worry! The paleo food choices will make you feel better, better energy, etc and when you tailor your caloric and macro intakes to suit your lifestyle you'll be fully able to control fat gain or fat loss. Smile and be in control!

1
91d422b073139d35e0856967ba1c21d6

on July 26, 2011
at 03:38 PM

I'm going to throw in an additional answer and suggest that those of us who'd like to lose "weight" should probably articulate ourselves more specifically and talk about wanting to lose "fat."

Someone like Love who is doing a lot of exercise, if we were to assume she is otherwise eating strict LC Paleo with reasonable calories, could be losing fat but gaining muscle and therefore maintaining or gaining "weight."

In that event the problem wouldn't be about what is being eaten but maybe too much exercise. Exercise also makes you hungrier, so it makes sense that Love is not being satiated by what she eats.

I'd also want to know where her excess fat deposits are located. In my Paleo journey thus far, by just eliminating non-Paleo foods and having a greater awareness of my overall caloric intake, but keeping my very moderate exercise regimen right where it is, I've lost an appreciable amount of fat in my "love handles" area, which was my biggest problem area. I've been eating lots of coconut butter and using coconut oil in cooking, but not other coconut products.

But each person is totally different in something like reacting to coconut . . . . As seems to be the key mantra on this site, "listen to your body."

1
8634d4988ced45a68e2a79e69cc01835

(1617)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:15 PM

A combo of higher fat/lower carb is making my body want to gain. I think lean meats, veggies and fruit are best for me. I've been reading all the posts here about LC and VLC, and it just doesn't work for me. I experimented with LC/VLC for a few weeks and it just put 2-3lbs of fat on me. I don't think it works for everyone. I didn't have any weight to lose, I just wanted to lower my bf% a point or two, but I got the exact opposite result. Maybe you're that way too. I'm going back to Just Eating Paleo. Not carb counting or anything counting. My workouts are better and I feel stronger just eating lean meat, veggies, fruit, and nuts. Low carb might just not work for some people. And there's no magic reason Paleo lets people pound fat and get lean. It still happens that if you eat beyond your calorie expenditure, you can gain fat. I hate to say it, but that's just how it can be sometimes. If I were you, I'd just cut out the coconut fats and get my fat from nuts and meat. Try that for 6 more weeks and see if it works for you. And FYI I don't like 120lbs at 5'6" is 'too low'. I'm 5'5" and 115 (or was until I tried LC! Now I'm 118!) and I didn't and still don't look too thin AT ALL. I look perfectly healthy at that weight. It's about body type, not just height and weight.

1
Medium avatar

on July 26, 2011
at 01:47 PM

I'm probably not the best person to give advice about weight loss, I'm somewhat on the chubby side (I weight same as you but am an inch shorter), and am having trouble losing myself, but something did jump out at me. How does "3 oz. of the coconut cream" constitute a healthy nutritious meal? It doesn't. That's why you're still hungry after. I ate a meal of eggs, steak, and veggies that added up to about 600 calories yesterday, and it kept me satisfied for almost 7 hours.

Also nuts, as I understand it, are bad for weight loss because it's so easy to overeat them.

91d422b073139d35e0856967ba1c21d6

(1054)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:15 PM

Nut's aren't bad for weight loss UNLESS you overeat them! Macadamia nuts are a great snack to forestall hunger and if you measure them out and then put away the rest you're fine. We act like nobody has any discipline whatsoever. There are some that do! (Not me though.) :)

1
345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on July 26, 2011
at 01:20 PM

lots of great recommendations for you but just my initial thoughts:

  1. whats your caloric intake currently per day? (you must know this)

  2. whats your BMI? with those two bits of info you can take away 500 calories from your day.

  3. what is the % you are eating??

I'd suggest starting at 65% fat, 25% protein, no more than 50gcarbs this takes time to figure out, adjusting every 2 wks until you start to loose fat/weight is slow to come off in general, but fat will melt after a month of getting the amounts right.

You need a balanced ratio that works for you, but you need all those things daily; its the only way to know what you are taking in and to use it to figure out why its not working.

  1. fat is good for you, but its better to get it in a variety of forms, not just 600 calories worth of coconut milk. Avocados, EVOO, coconut oil, nut butters if tolerated

  2. are you eating fruit, nuts, dairy?

  3. stress will kill all your attempts, you need to find a way to relax, be patient and really concentrate on whats going on.

  4. exercise, do as M. Sisson suggests and cut your exercise out. You may be gaining muscle under the fat you have instead of burning it. That was what was happening with me at first. Just make sure to move all day long, walk where you can, stand where you can. Avoid sitting, move move move! You need to burn that fat off and once you lean down you can start working those muscles. Walking and working in sprints is whats recommended, but only when you are ready!

Likely you will figure it out, but it won't come off in 6 wks. The way I look at it is, its better to burn off the fat slowly which is more noticeable in the long run. Make sure you eat enough of the right things in the right proportion so you do not loose existing muscle!!

hang in there!!

0
Ba20b502cf02b5513ea8c4bb2740d8cb

on November 07, 2011
at 05:33 PM

First off, do not focus on your scale weight, the scale is very deceiving and completely inaccurate in figuring out your body composition.

When I was training very hard I would lose 5 lbs in water weight from my workouts alone and in the past 30 days I've gone from 168 to 178 but went down to 7% body fat from 9% body fat, so I've actually gained muscle and lost fat, which is helps me tremendously with my strength, metabolism and athletic performance.

In the short term I would do three things:

  1. Forget the scale. It's useless and unpredictable, if I were you I would weigh myself once every couple weeks.
  2. Take before & after photos. For most people this is the mother of all benchmarks. That's what counts, right? Do I look and feel better than before I started this program or diet protocol.
  3. Take a body fat percentage test. This is huge. For example if your were at 130 lbs but were at 5% body fat I could almost guarantee that you would be more impressed and pleased with that result vs 120 lbs and 15% body fat(nobody wants to be "skinny fat").
  4. Intermittent fasting. Once a week I would throw in a 16 hour fast to really speed up the process.

Also, I didn't see anything on your post about a training program. If you really want to speed up the process focus on conditioning and try to burn 500 calories a day. Along with a Paleo diet and -500 calorie a day training deficit you'll get to where you want to be and then some.

Hope this helps, hit me up if you need any other tips!

0
600c123bacc43bf566c17b19253f5779

(170)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:38 PM

Yes, I know that 120lbs is not too low, because I used to weigh that and it was great! haha. Ok, today I begin with Fitday. The problem definitely stems from overeating, too many calories. I think I do better with lots of veggies too, and not quite so much fat. I'm switching to that plan NOW! The coconut has an affect on me I can only call ADDICTIVE, which I wonder is it because it is sweet? I don't crave other sweets. And if anyone is still reading this, my question is, given that I may have an allergy/reaction to the coconut cream/milk, should I also cut out the oil (I just bought a jar)...I've heard that most people do not react to just the fat in the way they might to the protein in it. I guess to be safe I should just put the jar aside for awhile... Thanks again all, this is very helpful to me. It makes a big difference to hear things I was denying in my own brain (calorie restriction) from other people, it makes it easier to hear and take it as sooth!

91d422b073139d35e0856967ba1c21d6

(1054)

on July 26, 2011
at 03:20 PM

I think my point about 120 being too low is that it's too low for you to be freaking out about. If you were 160 and needed to get to 140 I would better be able to understand your level of emotional distress over needing to lose the 20 lbs in 6 weeks. At 5'4" I'd love to eventually be at a lean 115 but anything lower than that I would have zero muscle tone. I want to be strong enough to fend off an attacker if needed (hey, I live in SF, you never know). Maybe it does come down to body type, I may have denser bones or something, or extra base muscle mass from being an athlete as a teenager.

E5103bd115084c001999682686069a20

(286)

on July 26, 2011
at 09:33 PM

Coconut it addictive for me for sure. Meat and veggies for a while..Can't go wrong! Although if you say you felt ok as a vegan and lost weight I wonder if your particular body type just wants those type of nutrients. It's a possibility..right? I really wanted to be vegetarian and I tried it for 6 months and I was sick for most of those 6 months. My body just thrives on eating meat, vegetables fruits nuts. I don't think anything is one size fits all. Good luck!

0
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:06 AM

Oh, so someone complains about being too fat, and everyone sympthasises. Sure, it's a problem, no agrument, but there's just as many skinny people who are unable to gain weight no matter how much Paleo they eat. I think weight gain is actually some incorrect response of your body to food that puts gelly like substance into your arms and legs. For skinny people, I think it's a true matter of a destroyed nutrient absorption system and is a much f*ing larger problem that you fat people! So relax, the fat problem is easier to fix than the skinny problem!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:19 AM

Danny, how many calories you eat daily?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 26, 2011
at 02:26 AM

a shit load, do you think it matters how many exactly?

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