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Please don't give me the no nuts song and dance!

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 08, 2012 at 2:59 AM

First let me say thanks to all of you who so willingly offer your input and advice. I have learned a lot from this site. I especially appreciate the "if it works for you then whatever" type advice vs. the what all the "experts" say-- but i am getting a little frustrated, so im all ears!

So my jeans are fitting really tight since going paleo. Yeah yeah, I know-- too many nuts, cut out all dairy, eat a sweet potato and all that. But what I'm totally flummoxed over is why is it that pre-paleo I would crack out on a half (or whole) box of cereal (organic! From the health food store!) and chocolate soy milk, eat burritos with beans and cheese and baskets full of chips, have a cerveza or two, eat bread brought to the table at a restaurant, etc etc and have a flatter stomach than now? Could that handful of nuts REALLY be the culprit? If so, that's stupid! (I also just read on the NPR website that almonds have been caloriclly overestimated by up to 20%)

I get plenty of sleep, exercise and lift heavy things, eat meat/veg/raw goat milk/ coconut stuff/ berries. I am 37 female, 5'8" 152 lbs (clothes fit better when I was around 142)I have a muscular build-- I'm a swimmer and people always comment on my strong back and shoulders, but my mid section/thighs/arms, though strong, seem to be covered in more fat than before. Any thoughts?

Dbc43080bf9381864f5c6910e1264677

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on August 12, 2012
at 09:00 AM

After several months of strict paleo I'd get kind of (what I call) "batshit crazy" and depressed. I tried to ride it out as long as I could but I started to feel clinical. Would you believe just by eating a sweet potato I felt like I got my mental health back. I eat what they call "safe starches" - sweet potato, white rice (not brown!), white rice noodles (before PMS), very little dairy, the low PUFA nuts. They have a Perfect Health Diet blog online and a book out - they're releasing an updated book this year, too. Good luck!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 09, 2012
at 05:03 AM

Okay, about some months ago I was eating like 4 lb of meat per day (nothing else) and lost weight. And I am not Michael Phelps and I am not doing any physical activity! Tell me how in the world is this possible? I weight myself every single day and I know - weight has nothing to do with what you eat. You can eat less than 1,200 calories per day and still gain weight - I know it!!!

Cebbca9a78d5612bf3468b273c2010d5

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on August 09, 2012
at 01:13 AM

Probably means "doesn't believe in counting calories", rather than not believing in the existence of calories.

9a783f1b60e2936f07f1f38fc62c11e4

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on August 09, 2012
at 12:22 AM

D'oh! I am beginning to think that too....guess I just have to resign myself to the fact I need less food now. I thought the nutrient dense/higher fat diet would provide some insurance against hunger/cravings, but I still seem to not be dialed all the way in yet...

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on August 08, 2012
at 11:02 PM

"I don't believe in calories." Care to elaborate?

B1859f696e88d25460a6b8a333412ea3

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on August 08, 2012
at 09:59 PM

I saw that same thing not too long ago: Here: http://blog.primohealthcoach.com/blog/bid/79586/18-Gluten-Cross-Reactive-Foods I have a friend who does cross-react to coffee.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 08, 2012
at 08:19 PM

You are not an idiot, Korion. You are actually pretty smart. Don't listen to people who are trying to raise their self-esteem at the expense of others.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on August 08, 2012
at 05:23 PM

He didn't say it was the nuts, he said it was an option.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on August 08, 2012
at 05:22 PM

I don't know what Pacific Cowgirl ate while on SAD, so I said 'potentially'. But yeah I'm an idiot :)

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

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on August 08, 2012
at 05:06 PM

Because the issue isn't the nuts, it is her ability to count calories.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

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on August 08, 2012
at 05:05 PM

Not at a handful a day compared to what she was eating before; don't be an idiot.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 08, 2012
at 05:01 PM

I really do not remember where I got it from so I am adding "might". I also remember there was a scientific explanation to it, but for the life of me I could not understand it and don't remember it. Sorry.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 08, 2012
at 05:00 PM

What I wrote is "it might be" not necessarily "it is definitely". I have read somewhere that gluten is addictive (or rather creates a self-perpetuating cycle of cravings) to people who are sensitive to it. I have also read (I am sorry, I really do not know where) that many gluten sensitive people's immune system reacts to foods that do not have gluten in the same way as if they have gluten. Usually all grains, lactose, eggs, nuts and something else, I forgot... coffee? Not sure, sorry. So the cravings for some things (like gluten, milk product, etc.) indicate sensitivity.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on August 08, 2012
at 04:57 PM

Depends on how many nuts you're eating, really ...

9a783f1b60e2936f07f1f38fc62c11e4

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on August 08, 2012
at 03:03 PM

Yes! I like the sound of that! Sprouted almonds are great. But I know it's important not to go all crazy with them! At this point I just have a few in the context of a meal (sprinkling on a salad etc.) not as a mindless snack.

9a783f1b60e2936f07f1f38fc62c11e4

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on August 08, 2012
at 03:00 PM

But don't refined oils in all the crap I was eating before have more? That's what I don't get. I'm not eating copious amounts of nuts--i would've thought the canola oil, safflower oils, etc that were in my diet would have way more PUFAs? To me, it doesn't add up. But I guess there's obviously caloric excess somewhere so I guess I need to track em.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on August 08, 2012
at 12:54 PM

Not sure why you were down voted!

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

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on August 08, 2012
at 12:02 PM

From strict paleo to PHD, what did you do differently? Was it just the addition of small amounts of dairy?

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on August 08, 2012
at 11:36 AM

if you're eating the same volume in fat as ou used to eat carbs, chances are you are eating 'more' in energy terms. Even if eating slightly less fat than subbing 1-1 fat to carbs

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on August 08, 2012
at 11:34 AM

'If you do not mind me asking - once you start eating nuts, is it hard for you to stop? If it is, it might be a sign your body's immune system is reacting to them.' could you pls explain how this works? i would love to know...

9a783f1b60e2936f07f1f38fc62c11e4

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on August 08, 2012
at 03:07 AM

Guess so -- but it sure doesn't feel like I'm eating more!

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on August 08, 2012
at 03:04 AM

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on August 08, 2012
at 06:34 AM

I think the most important thing to realize is that Paleo is not a weight loss diet. If people go Paleo for weight loss reasons, it sets up unrealistic expectations.

Paleo is a diet that helps healthy people to stay healthy and sick people to get better. The purpose of Paleo diet is to provide your body with the best nutrition it can get and as a preventative measure against chronic and inflammatory illnesses, as well as cancer prevention and building up your immunity.

Paleo is not only a diet but a concept that involves viewing food, exercise and, eventually, your lifestyle from an evolutionary prospective, going back to your ancestral roots, so to speak.

Many people, just like me, initially gain weight on Paleo. Since I cannot offer any valid explanation behind it, the only thing that comes to my mind is that some of us have serious issues with food digestion and nutritional deficiencies. Going Paleo makes your body absorb and process more nutrients from the same caloric intake.

My advice is to stop eating nuts for a while. Not because they are high in calories - I don't believe in calories for a second. But because your body (for some reason) does not absorb them well. Maybe you had gluten/grain sensitivity and your immune system recognizes certain substances in nuts as something to attack?

If you do not mind me asking - once you start eating nuts, is it hard for you to stop? If it is, it might be a sign your body's immune system is reacting to them.

If you keep eating strict Paleo (just no nuts, nightshades and I would even go as far as not consuming eggs) for a while, I guarantee you at one point you will be losing weight. You can have as much grass-fed meat and wild fish as you want. If you want a faster weight loss - no fruit except for berries. Later on you can re-introduce nuts and see how your body responds to them.

Don't forget to eat some raw vegetables with every meal and some fermented foods every day. It will help to get your digestive tract back in order.

I am not a doctor, but I would be interested in hearing from you again to see if you started losing weight in a couple of months.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on August 08, 2012
at 11:34 AM

'If you do not mind me asking - once you start eating nuts, is it hard for you to stop? If it is, it might be a sign your body's immune system is reacting to them.' could you pls explain how this works? i would love to know...

Medium avatar

(10663)

on August 08, 2012
at 11:02 PM

"I don't believe in calories." Care to elaborate?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on August 08, 2012
at 05:01 PM

I really do not remember where I got it from so I am adding "might". I also remember there was a scientific explanation to it, but for the life of me I could not understand it and don't remember it. Sorry.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on August 08, 2012
at 05:00 PM

What I wrote is "it might be" not necessarily "it is definitely". I have read somewhere that gluten is addictive (or rather creates a self-perpetuating cycle of cravings) to people who are sensitive to it. I have also read (I am sorry, I really do not know where) that many gluten sensitive people's immune system reacts to foods that do not have gluten in the same way as if they have gluten. Usually all grains, lactose, eggs, nuts and something else, I forgot... coffee? Not sure, sorry. So the cravings for some things (like gluten, milk product, etc.) indicate sensitivity.

Cebbca9a78d5612bf3468b273c2010d5

(452)

on August 09, 2012
at 01:13 AM

Probably means "doesn't believe in counting calories", rather than not believing in the existence of calories.

B1859f696e88d25460a6b8a333412ea3

(837)

on August 08, 2012
at 09:59 PM

I saw that same thing not too long ago: Here: http://blog.primohealthcoach.com/blog/bid/79586/18-Gluten-Cross-Reactive-Foods I have a friend who does cross-react to coffee.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on August 09, 2012
at 05:03 AM

Okay, about some months ago I was eating like 4 lb of meat per day (nothing else) and lost weight. And I am not Michael Phelps and I am not doing any physical activity! Tell me how in the world is this possible? I weight myself every single day and I know - weight has nothing to do with what you eat. You can eat less than 1,200 calories per day and still gain weight - I know it!!!

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1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

on August 08, 2012
at 03:04 AM

Because its all about eating either more than, the same as or less than your Total Daily Energy Expenditure.

Clearly you are eating in the More Than category if your jeans are fitting tighter. Thats ok though, I like big butts and I can not lie.

That is how you know the first sentence is the truth. That, and I am not selling anything.

9a783f1b60e2936f07f1f38fc62c11e4

(256)

on August 08, 2012
at 03:07 AM

Guess so -- but it sure doesn't feel like I'm eating more!

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on August 08, 2012
at 11:36 AM

if you're eating the same volume in fat as ou used to eat carbs, chances are you are eating 'more' in energy terms. Even if eating slightly less fat than subbing 1-1 fat to carbs

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on August 08, 2012
at 03:04 AM

:) . . ..

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Dbc43080bf9381864f5c6910e1264677

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on August 08, 2012
at 07:42 AM

I feel your pain. I'd been strict paleo for years but getting leaner wasn't happening. I switched over to the Perfect Health Diet and feel 100 times better and the scale is moving downwards again.

Have you ever tried intermittent fasting? Google "Fast 5" and give it a shot, you'll be amazed.

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on August 08, 2012
at 12:02 PM

From strict paleo to PHD, what did you do differently? Was it just the addition of small amounts of dairy?

Dbc43080bf9381864f5c6910e1264677

(176)

on August 12, 2012
at 09:00 AM

After several months of strict paleo I'd get kind of (what I call) "batshit crazy" and depressed. I tried to ride it out as long as I could but I started to feel clinical. Would you believe just by eating a sweet potato I felt like I got my mental health back. I eat what they call "safe starches" - sweet potato, white rice (not brown!), white rice noodles (before PMS), very little dairy, the low PUFA nuts. They have a Perfect Health Diet blog online and a book out - they're releasing an updated book this year, too. Good luck!

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on August 08, 2012
at 08:31 PM

It could be the start of that hormonally induced thickening in the middle many women experience just before peri-menopause. Mid-30's is notorious for the beginning of this. So it could be time more than food choices.

9a783f1b60e2936f07f1f38fc62c11e4

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on August 09, 2012
at 12:22 AM

D'oh! I am beginning to think that too....guess I just have to resign myself to the fact I need less food now. I thought the nutrient dense/higher fat diet would provide some insurance against hunger/cravings, but I still seem to not be dialed all the way in yet...

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on August 08, 2012
at 11:06 AM

I recommend starting Paleo with just eating meats, veggies and a little fruit. Work the nuts in just a few times a week as a treat, maybe 1-2 ounces. Daily handfuls of nuts add on a lot of extra calories that probably are not doing much for you nutritionally anyway.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on August 08, 2012
at 12:54 PM

Not sure why you were down voted!

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on August 08, 2012
at 05:23 PM

He didn't say it was the nuts, he said it was an option.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

(384)

on August 08, 2012
at 05:06 PM

Because the issue isn't the nuts, it is her ability to count calories.

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B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on August 08, 2012
at 08:03 AM

Yes, the PUFAs in nuts could potentially lower your metabolism a lot, making you fat quickly.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on August 08, 2012
at 05:22 PM

I don't know what Pacific Cowgirl ate while on SAD, so I said 'potentially'. But yeah I'm an idiot :)

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

(384)

on August 08, 2012
at 05:05 PM

Not at a handful a day compared to what she was eating before; don't be an idiot.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on August 08, 2012
at 04:57 PM

Depends on how many nuts you're eating, really ...

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 08, 2012
at 08:19 PM

You are not an idiot, Korion. You are actually pretty smart. Don't listen to people who are trying to raise their self-esteem at the expense of others.

9a783f1b60e2936f07f1f38fc62c11e4

(256)

on August 08, 2012
at 03:00 PM

But don't refined oils in all the crap I was eating before have more? That's what I don't get. I'm not eating copious amounts of nuts--i would've thought the canola oil, safflower oils, etc that were in my diet would have way more PUFAs? To me, it doesn't add up. But I guess there's obviously caloric excess somewhere so I guess I need to track em.

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091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

on August 08, 2012
at 05:08 PM

I found that the issue is volume of food vs calories. When I ate a lot more carbs I tended to feel full because I ate a lot of high volume foods that were not very calorically dense. When I moved to paleo I ate the same volume of food in things like meat and coconut oil which obviously had a much higher calorie count.

If I were you I'd either find a way to consume large volumes of veggies or add back in things like potatoes to fill you up.

Also count calories until you get a handle on it.

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D310ef95ced2e35540ee29922c2d64f2

on October 02, 2012
at 04:05 PM

I'd experiment with adding some carbs back in and see what happens.

THere's stuff I'm seeing on the 'net indicating that when people end up too low carb, their body decides it's time to hoard fat. Evidently thyroid function drops. WHy? Well, probably because low carb availability = winter = not so much food. (Though veggies and berries wouldn't be available much during a lot of winters).

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F9638b939a6f85d67f60065677193cad

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on August 08, 2012
at 02:29 PM

I'm going to take a wild guess that "coconut stuff/ berries" means coconut milk smoothies. Your smoothies before were probably banana and strawberries mixed with a little soy milk, or something similar to that. A half a cup of soy milk has like 50 calories or something. A half a cup of coconut milk has about 350 calories. Liquid calories go down waaaayyyy too easily.

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on August 08, 2012
at 12:56 PM

I am starting to think that nuts are a nutrient powerhouse.

They are very rich in minerals (along with some vitamins that arent all that common for a food to be high in either).

If your not eating organ meats, like liver and kidney, for example, it may be hard to get enough copper in the diet.

Nuts are also (various kinds) rich in calcium (almonds), magnesium (walnuts), potassium (macadamias). Brazils have a variety (although you should only eat one or two a day because they are ultra high in selenium)

Admitedly the phylates and such mean that many kinds of nuts are better soaked, sproated or fermented, but I think that nuts actually have an important place in good paleo nutrition, especially considering than muscle meat is high in zinc, and excess zinc can lead to a copper deficiency.

Sure theres also leafy greens which have some good minerals (but not as balanced or as good as nuts), and if you can stomach it, organ meats. Cacao has copper, and so does fish.

But if you eat a high meat diet, with a bit of veg, and no organ meats, it seems like a good variety of nuts, properly treated, is a very good idea given that a variety of nuts can provide you very well with many essential minerals, and some less common vitamins.

This in mind, I would say keep the nuts.

9a783f1b60e2936f07f1f38fc62c11e4

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on August 08, 2012
at 03:03 PM

Yes! I like the sound of that! Sprouted almonds are great. But I know it's important not to go all crazy with them! At this point I just have a few in the context of a meal (sprinkling on a salad etc.) not as a mindless snack.

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on August 08, 2012
at 03:09 AM

Is it stupid if it's true?

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