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I am afraid of the calories of oil and "real" fats..

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Created March 02, 2013 at 9:35 PM

I am trying to loose weight and am not used to cooking with full fats, like oil. I have recently discovered coconut oil and it is wonderful. But with weight to loose, I am terrified to use it. Also, I made the "caveman cream" Coconut milk, an egg, and coconut oil and it is incredible in my coffee. But again, isn't this going to keep me from losing? I do workout 6 days a week. No dairy at all.

Thanks! Meagen

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on March 04, 2013
at 03:26 AM

I eat chicken usually twice a day. It is natural, antibiotic free, grass fed chicken. I am not a beef person at all. I do love fish though, and do salmon often. I didn't realize it mattered what protein you ate. What should I be eating. Also, I have made the "caveman" coffee creamer. Coconut milk, coconut oil and an egg. It looks like it is so fatty and has to be horrible for me. But, I love my coffee and can't do it black. Should I do heavy cream instead?

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on March 03, 2013
at 11:03 PM

Investigate: Muscle cell strength training induced non insulin dependent glucose uptake (T-Glut translation), increased glycogen synthesis post endurance training, increased affinity for muscle cell uptake of glucose over fat cells, increased stability of blood sugar post training-carb-meal, etc. People who say carbs are pointless after training doing train hard enough. Seriously. 1hr heavy lifting without next day training can get away with it as ketosis will slowly do the job. Try carring half your bodyweight on your back up and down thousands of meters daily without evening carbs.

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on March 03, 2013
at 10:57 PM

Fueling before ANY effort, low or high heart rate, strength or endurance, with carbs, while sedentary and the system is sluggish, is asking for a crash. Carbs need a hot burning metabolic fire going for the fuel to be used most effectively and go where they should. With long endurance bouts (10hrs up a huge mtn), after 130-140 heart rate is reached, sweating has started, tissues are hot, and breath is flowing, carbs can then be added at will during the effort for efficient power. During strength training, it's a waste. BOTH benefit HUGELY from a carb up afterwards while still hot.

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on March 03, 2013
at 10:52 PM

Saying you doing understand it is one thing. Saying its pointless is another. I suggest you read at www.leangains.com and check out Carb Backloading. Berkan and Keifer have both presented a ton of science and trained a ton of successful people; all would disagree with your statement. I myself have raced bicycles competitively, climbed big mountains on a few continents, and strength trained for 20 years. I can tell you that nothing aids recovery for the next days bout better than a ton of carbs just AFTER the effort.

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on March 03, 2013
at 08:17 AM

I've never understood the eating carbs after training thing, so pointless. If you want to use carbs as your main energy source, it it before and during exercises, not after... http://www.marksdailyapple.com/muscle-building-and-carbs/#axzz2MSkHlCMg

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on March 02, 2013
at 11:28 PM

Also, those who disagree with me seemed to have lost nearly half of my bodyweight (I'm 62kg when climbing and 76kg when winter bulking). With that much extra bodyfat to lose, things are different. The body will shed that very quickly and effectively while still taking in a good deal of fat. Once you get below 20-30%, that is no longer the case. I'm just saying, drinking fat instead of just eating it with meals seems a dangerous practice.

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on March 02, 2013
at 11:25 PM

In fairness, the OP never said how much bodyfat overage she was dealing with. My above approach refers to those who are trying to get under 20-30%. She mentioned workout out 6 days so it would seem to suggest a more fit person. If one can take in enough fat achieve a satiety that stops cravings and net daily overheating, then adding it to coffee may serve an effective purpose. But in GENERAL one can add plenty of fat to meals and get this. Drinking fat is walking the line.

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on March 02, 2013
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70 lbs down by guzzling fat in my coffee. Don't knock it til you've tried it.

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on March 02, 2013
at 10:59 PM

I don't really like red meat and would rather chicken. I made coffee creamer with whole fat coconut milk, an egg, and 2T coconut oil. It is AMAZING, but again, I am afraid of it. I can switch out the broccoli for sweet potato no problem. I kept my heart rate monitor on all day yesterday and from 10:30-8:30pm I burned 3313 calories. So waaaay more than I could have possibly taken in. I just have never actually used real oils and fats and it scares me. I really need to get this weight off.

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on March 02, 2013
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60 lbs lost so far with plenty of coconut oil in my morning coffee and afternoon tea, extra butter on my veggies. If it didn't work, I would not do it. I recently decided to cut back on fat to see what would happen. I gained 5 lbs. just adding fat back in I'm down 2+ pounds in 2 days, no more afternoon hungries that drive me to snack.

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on March 02, 2013
at 10:31 PM

Yeah, that's not gonna work. You want to swap out chicken for beef and swap out one cup of broccoli for a sweet potato.

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Yeah, that's not gonna work. You want to swap out beef for chicken and swap out one cup of broccoli for a sweet potato.

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on March 02, 2013
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Since I started using coconut oil about two months ago, I've been taking it *in addition* to my previous intake - on salads, in my tea/coffee, cooking with it etc. I use it liberally. I have not gained any weight.

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on March 02, 2013
at 09:48 PM

Low carb, high fat diets are successful when they create a caloric deficit through increased satiety. When they don't, they are not. There are myriad ways to create such a deficit with varying types of macronutrient composition. Given that you are highly active, low-carb is probably not the best route for you. Instead, you might try simply increasing your meat and fibrous vegetable/whole fruit consumption at the expense of some of the starch you used to eat instead of abolishing most carbohydrates and then swilling refined fats. This change will increase satiety greatly and should assist you in losing fat without having to track calories.

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on March 03, 2013
at 08:37 AM

First of all, fat is not dangerous, it's an amazing, basically never ending fuel source that will keep the "motor running for a long time". Fat is essential for your body to work and many vitamins are dependent of fat to be able to be used by the body. The reason why you should eat fat is because it will satisfy you and make you less hungry for longer, thereby eating less which is essential when losing weight.

There is nothing magic about weightloss, this is just another "tool" to be used, a tool that means that you won't starve yourself and that you will eat as good nutritional food as possible. There's no one saying that you should over indulge in fat, but at the same time you shouldn't be afraid of it, use natural fat sources when cooking and eat until you feel satisfied.

For me, that promotes the ketogenic paleo approach, I feel that minimising my carbs, eating just a normal amount of protein and fill up with fat until I'm full is the way to go. But I know many that prefer to eat more carbs and/or protein. Whatever works for you and gives you the results you want go for it! Try adding a bit fat for a couple of weeks, if you're still losing weight you are doing something right, if not change something in the diet until it works.

But please, please don't be afraid of the fat!

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on March 02, 2013
at 10:28 PM

Yes, it will keep you from losing if fat and total calories add up to more than your body uses.

Adding fat to your coffee is just guzzling calories and has no place in a bodyfat reducing goal/plan. I can't understand why anyone came with the idea. Eat fat with food.

Personally, I find nothing makes me fatter than excess fat. Carbs in excess, when taken at efficient times after workouts, tend to cause fat burning through hormonal stimulation. While hormones are made of fats, no such fat burning jumpstart comes from eating too much fat, and with fats energy density, it's easy to go over. That's not to say you can't go under either; fat is needed.

If you want to lose bodyfat, stay in a calorie deficit on non-workout days and at maintenance on workout days. Try intermittent fasting. I eat between noon and eight in the evening. Workout hard three days a week with heavy lifting and eat carbs afterwards. Do cardio on rest days, walks, swimming, mountain hikes, biking, at medium and tolerable heart rate while fasted then have your noon meal. Personally I eat no carbs unless after heavy training.

If your want satiety over eat lean ruminant meat protein. It's least likely to be stored as fat. Add fat as needed. Carb up after workouts.

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(2417)

on March 03, 2013
at 10:57 PM

Fueling before ANY effort, low or high heart rate, strength or endurance, with carbs, while sedentary and the system is sluggish, is asking for a crash. Carbs need a hot burning metabolic fire going for the fuel to be used most effectively and go where they should. With long endurance bouts (10hrs up a huge mtn), after 130-140 heart rate is reached, sweating has started, tissues are hot, and breath is flowing, carbs can then be added at will during the effort for efficient power. During strength training, it's a waste. BOTH benefit HUGELY from a carb up afterwards while still hot.

Medium avatar

(2417)

on March 02, 2013
at 11:28 PM

Also, those who disagree with me seemed to have lost nearly half of my bodyweight (I'm 62kg when climbing and 76kg when winter bulking). With that much extra bodyfat to lose, things are different. The body will shed that very quickly and effectively while still taking in a good deal of fat. Once you get below 20-30%, that is no longer the case. I'm just saying, drinking fat instead of just eating it with meals seems a dangerous practice.

Medium avatar

(2417)

on March 03, 2013
at 10:52 PM

Saying you doing understand it is one thing. Saying its pointless is another. I suggest you read at www.leangains.com and check out Carb Backloading. Berkan and Keifer have both presented a ton of science and trained a ton of successful people; all would disagree with your statement. I myself have raced bicycles competitively, climbed big mountains on a few continents, and strength trained for 20 years. I can tell you that nothing aids recovery for the next days bout better than a ton of carbs just AFTER the effort.

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on March 02, 2013
at 10:35 PM

60 lbs lost so far with plenty of coconut oil in my morning coffee and afternoon tea, extra butter on my veggies. If it didn't work, I would not do it. I recently decided to cut back on fat to see what would happen. I gained 5 lbs. just adding fat back in I'm down 2+ pounds in 2 days, no more afternoon hungries that drive me to snack.

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on March 02, 2013
at 11:09 PM

70 lbs down by guzzling fat in my coffee. Don't knock it til you've tried it.

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on March 02, 2013
at 10:59 PM

I don't really like red meat and would rather chicken. I made coffee creamer with whole fat coconut milk, an egg, and 2T coconut oil. It is AMAZING, but again, I am afraid of it. I can switch out the broccoli for sweet potato no problem. I kept my heart rate monitor on all day yesterday and from 10:30-8:30pm I burned 3313 calories. So waaaay more than I could have possibly taken in. I just have never actually used real oils and fats and it scares me. I really need to get this weight off.

Medium avatar

(2417)

on March 02, 2013
at 11:25 PM

In fairness, the OP never said how much bodyfat overage she was dealing with. My above approach refers to those who are trying to get under 20-30%. She mentioned workout out 6 days so it would seem to suggest a more fit person. If one can take in enough fat achieve a satiety that stops cravings and net daily overheating, then adding it to coffee may serve an effective purpose. But in GENERAL one can add plenty of fat to meals and get this. Drinking fat is walking the line.

Daee038b2da136bc8e817e3889c746c5

(139)

on March 03, 2013
at 08:17 AM

I've never understood the eating carbs after training thing, so pointless. If you want to use carbs as your main energy source, it it before and during exercises, not after... http://www.marksdailyapple.com/muscle-building-and-carbs/#axzz2MSkHlCMg

Medium avatar

(2417)

on March 03, 2013
at 11:03 PM

Investigate: Muscle cell strength training induced non insulin dependent glucose uptake (T-Glut translation), increased glycogen synthesis post endurance training, increased affinity for muscle cell uptake of glucose over fat cells, increased stability of blood sugar post training-carb-meal, etc. People who say carbs are pointless after training doing train hard enough. Seriously. 1hr heavy lifting without next day training can get away with it as ketosis will slowly do the job. Try carring half your bodyweight on your back up and down thousands of meters daily without evening carbs.

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on March 05, 2013
at 08:14 AM

Be careful with all the coconut oil ..it may be too much of a good thing. Youre in danger of being in a caloric surplus. You can track your calories just for a day or 2 to see where youre at. There are many out there.. fitday i beleive is one..i really like cronometer.It tracks your calories as well as all your nutrients/vitamins and all that jazz.
I think cream would be fine with your coffee rather than that paleo slurry you described. I personally found that adding back in some safe starches alongside my meat really and truly helped with my cravings..and feelings of satiety. Previously i had been doing lower-carb...with tonnes of salads and lower carb veg..but at nite id be famished and crawling the walls and felt like a basketcase. I havent experienced any weight gain so far ( thnx heavens :) since adding them in. hope that helps.. bottom line..experiment a little..your body and your scale will point you in the right direction for what is right for" you"

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on March 02, 2013
at 11:20 PM

Meagen, I guess you won't know until you try it. If the scale goes the wrong way, just stop.

As for meat choices, chicken is probably the worst as its higher in omega 6's. At the very least try to get good quality pastured chicken if that's your primary meat, and eat plenty of fish to try to get better O6:O3 ratios.

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on March 04, 2013
at 03:26 AM

I eat chicken usually twice a day. It is natural, antibiotic free, grass fed chicken. I am not a beef person at all. I do love fish though, and do salmon often. I didn't realize it mattered what protein you ate. What should I be eating. Also, I have made the "caveman" coffee creamer. Coconut milk, coconut oil and an egg. It looks like it is so fatty and has to be horrible for me. But, I love my coffee and can't do it black. Should I do heavy cream instead?

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on March 02, 2013
at 11:08 PM

70 lbs down by guzzling fat in my coffee. Don't knock it til you've tried it.

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on March 02, 2013
at 10:14 PM

This is an example of my lunch today. 2 cups broccoli 1/2 zucchini, 8 asparagus stalks, choped in half, 6 oz chicken. Something like that pretty much every meal. I had an apple with almond butter for a snack.

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on March 02, 2013
at 10:31 PM

Yeah, that's not gonna work. You want to swap out chicken for beef and swap out one cup of broccoli for a sweet potato.

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on March 02, 2013
at 10:30 PM

Yeah, that's not gonna work. You want to swap out beef for chicken and swap out one cup of broccoli for a sweet potato.

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