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How did I gain 20lbs on Paleo? I am overweight now.

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created June 15, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Little history first:

My weight has always been fluctuating. But it always averaged around 110-120lbs (5ft, female). Last summer, my eating disorders got worse and I got down to 105 lbs with low cal (700-1000 cal), low fat and a lot of cardio. Then, I started on Atkins and then moved on to Paleo last October. Since then, I stopped weighing myself and just focused on eating the right foods until point of satiety. Not weighing myself or counting calories really helped me control my disordered eating. Eating Paleo really helped me with my mood and energy. I started feeling better in general. For the last 9 months, I ate mostly Paleo with dairy and nuts with 16-20 hour intermittent fasting. I ate mostly green vegetables, meat and fish. I didn't eat tubers or fruit. With the exception of 4-5 weeks total in the period of 9 month, I did not cheat. When I cheated, I consumed ice-cream, chips, beer, pizza.... etc.

Here is when/what I eat:

Feeding window 4PM-8PM; Intermittent Fasting 8PM-4PM

1) One big salad with leafy greens, tomato, sometimes with cheese and/or olive oil

2) Meat--depending on what is available: 2-3 fish fillets, half of a grilled whole chicken, 4-5 eggs, three beef patties, OR 1.5 lb ground beef (I choose only ONE of these options)

3) more vegetables like asparagus, zuccini, carrots... *sometimes I overdo cheese and nuts. But I don't eat them ALL the time. I think I eat them like for one week every month.

Lately, I noticed that my clothes don't fit anymore. So I weighed myself for the first time in about 9 months, and I was really shocked. I now weigh 131.4 lbs. I think this is the highest I've ever weighed. I am heavier than when I ate SAD. With my height at 5ft, that makes me overweight (BMI 25.7).

WTH happened?

EDIT:

I went on Paleo, thinking that as long as I ate the right foods, I would be able to maintain healthy weight. So I threw away my bathroom scale, stopped counting calories and hoped that I would be able to control my disordered eating patterns... I am afraid of counting calories and weighing myself. I am afriad that it will trigger my disorders.

Okay, I fell off the Paleo wagon at times. But I just don't get why I am heavier than ever. I wasn't looking to lose weight on Paleo, but I didn't think it would cause a dramatic weight gain either.

EDIT2:

So the "all or nothing mentality" fueled my disorder all along. I used to restrict calories severely and then binge. I guess I turned intermittent fasting into some sort of built in starvation and binge in daily life...That's why I could have my ED tendencies under control. But even when I fast for 20 hours, I don't have the obessesive thoughts about food like I did during my ED days. Also, when I start eating, it's not uncontrollable mindless eating beyond satiety (binge-like). I stop eating when I am full.

Anyways, I see for the first time that my IF schedule is a little extreme...though I feel fine on it. I am going to eat strict Paleo (no dairy or nuts). I am going to try to eat a breakfast from now and see how that goes... I don't do well on small frequent meals because of my "all or nothing" attitude...

Thanks for all your answers!

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

I feel FINE. I am just a little stressed out about my weight gain. I don't know my body fat %.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on October 12, 2012
at 09:13 PM

@TonkLover, how are you doing? I keep gaining weight... This is really frustrating....

7c8e227dd8d5bdd77febfdebaa78dc13

(185)

on July 30, 2012
at 08:29 PM

A good thing now is that even though I now eat 1500-1800 calories a day I have not gained anything. When I would fast, my body weight would swing wildly, on any given day I could be up or down 5 lbs. Now I hop on the scale and I'm typically at the same weight I was the last few days. I think I need to give my body a chance to heal itself from the fasting fiasco and then hopefully my weight will go down. I don't think i can state this enough, I feel soooooooooo much better now that I eat more and more often. I'm 5'9, and 1200 cals a day was clearly not enough and did me some major damage.

7c8e227dd8d5bdd77febfdebaa78dc13

(185)

on July 30, 2012
at 08:16 PM

I haven't lost the weight I gained yet. I literally just stopped the fasting last week. Initially when I went paleo I lost 8 lbs immediately, but shortly thereafter I jumped back to my start weight (and it was not water weight!), cue fasting and 6 months later I'm now 10lbs heaver. I'm now trying to increase my calories I eat over the day since I've been eating 1200 calories or less a day for the last 10 years and have struggled with weight slowly going up no matter how much I exercise. Eating less has obviously not worked and I want to punch someone if they recommend that to me again.

C7960eecd671a3ac8a1700445631b74a

(115)

on July 29, 2012
at 03:29 PM

hmm.. i dont know what to tell you then... my best advice would be calculate your calories. do it for a few days and if it's too high then you'll understand why. calories are calories: meat, nuts, sugar etc. if your intake is still low however, then see a doctor? good luck!

8c9cbfe06f74a3b814271621fe2091ad

(10)

on July 29, 2012
at 04:25 AM

ive only been in recovery for 18 months weight is starting to drop back off with paleo and crossfit.

14e1dbdd25db00d2c9db36d6a695f6cb

(159)

on July 29, 2012
at 01:28 AM

Going to order the SynaptoGenX soon...will keep you posted as to how it makes me feel...as a side note, I can say my estrogen dominance symptoms (I'm 42 and starting to get some funky fluctuations) are better since taking liver support stuff, helps liver process out the estrogen as opposed to recycling it in the body. I added salad with crucifers/dandelion greens everynight and cut out fruit altogether. I mention this because estrogen dominance makes it very difficult to lose the belly/thigh bulge. Not to mention its a risk factor for estrogen stimulated cancers...

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on July 28, 2012
at 09:42 PM

.......We are both in need of some professional help. Thank you for sharing your experience, and I really wish you the best of luck and recovery... How are you doing now?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on July 28, 2012
at 09:41 PM

I think we are in similar situations... Right now, I am going through the phase where I think i need to control my calories in order to go down to the right weight. This is after a few months of possibly binging on Paleo food... Recently, I have experienced a few episodes of binging and purging, which I think is the result of my obsession with weight, calories and food....

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on July 28, 2012
at 09:27 PM

....Did your weight normalize after the initial gain?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on July 28, 2012
at 09:25 PM

The weight loss has been really slow...even after I adopted these changes: no nuts, no dairy, no IF, no added fats, no avocado... I only lost about 3 lbs...

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on July 28, 2012
at 09:23 PM

I have stopped IF since mid-June... I can't ditch the scale again; I am afraid I am going to continue gaining if I don't weigh myself. That's basically what happened when I started recovery on Paleo. I don't eat nuts, dairy, or olive oil now. So, I will have to see how things go....

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on July 28, 2012
at 09:19 PM

Oh, I stopped IF. I eat two or three meals a day now...

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on July 28, 2012
at 09:18 PM

I have to agree. During my ED days, I lost muscle, hair and period. It's been about a year since I went Paleo, and I hope my weight normalizes.. Thanks.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on July 28, 2012
at 09:16 PM

So have you been losing paleo weight by just increasing meal frequency?

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on July 28, 2012
at 03:28 PM

Past eating disorders can often create a fear and inability to use scales without triggering, possibly forever.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 28, 2012
at 01:16 AM

YAY , Firestorm.

877ded1787562057ee2e1a4548b6050a

on June 20, 2012
at 06:16 PM

Yes ma'am. I won't let it happen again.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 19, 2012
at 01:35 PM

ps - i find that "food rules" are not conducive to recovery. consider relaxing your meal timing now, not fasting at all. at least until you consult help. fasting for those of us with challenging pasts CAN be destructive.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 19, 2012
at 01:34 PM

seeking help does NOT mean you are weak. it means you are strong enough to endure someone else poking into your most challenging places in the pursuit of total healing. comparing your own emotions/thoughts/actions against that of someone who does not struggle can help so much! it shows you life doesn't have to be the trap it can be with food issues. hang in there!!!

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 19, 2012
at 11:03 AM

sorry typing from phone

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 19, 2012
at 11:03 AM

Seriousky? They are grown women, not teenagers, of course they don't have flat tummies or fresh perky breasts for that matte. The pictures are the to give some perpective to the OP. I don't kmow the actual situation with the OP so I can'r verify if shes fat or not, just wanted to explain that often bmi is a lie. hese are regular women, not athletes.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 18, 2012
at 11:59 PM

Rebekah! Thank you so much for your support. It's definitely a learning process. I don't know what normal eating means anymore. Only after getting some response on PaleoHacks did I realize that IF has been keeping my ED thoughts alive. I haven't sought any professional help because I thought I was recovering on my own with paleo. But these summer months and this weight gain are really triggering and I may need to seek help. Thanks, Rebekah. I wish you the best!

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 18, 2012
at 11:47 PM

@Christopher, thank you for your support. I never thought about it, but I think I may have gained some muscle. I had lost a lot of my muscle during my low fat, low cal, cardio days; I used to run 5-7 miles daily.

Ecb90bbbd5a15868b2592d517a4a5e82

(280)

on June 18, 2012
at 07:10 PM

The ladies above are beautiful. However I would agree that they are a tad heavy around the tummy - I wonder if they are lifting? - and 2 of the pix don't seem to show very much clavicle. At 20-22% body fat I would expect to see a little more clavicle and a bit less roll under the navel. Still overall, they are extremely attractive. :)

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 18, 2012
at 05:25 PM

Sorry - I will edit it out. I did not mean it "fast" like really fast. I meant "faster".

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 18, 2012
at 03:08 PM

gahhhhhhh the whole "lose weight fast thing" scares the pants offa me. please don't tell a disordered eater how to lose weight fast! not trying to be harsh, forums like this just scare me sometimes.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 18, 2012
at 03:06 PM

+1,0000000000000000000

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 18, 2012
at 03:03 PM

however it is very sound advice for the casual overeater

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 18, 2012
at 03:03 PM

erm... i would hesitate to give this advice to someone who has/is struggling with an eating disorder, especially one who previously restricted/practiced anorexia. losing fairly quickly and tracking closely = DANGER.

Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

(12540)

on June 17, 2012
at 04:53 PM

And as someone else mentioned earlier (and it may help your interpretation of things), you're calculating your gain from your LOWEST ED weight... it may only have been a 10 lb weight gain overall, since you did mention that your upper weight prior to this was 120!

Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

(12540)

on June 17, 2012
at 04:51 PM

Um... MathGirl72: in·ter·mit·tent/ˌintərˈmitnt/ Adjective: Occurring at irregular intervals; not steady: "there were overcast skies, intermittent rain, and heavy mists".

5e5ff249c9161b8cd96d7eff6043bc3a

(4713)

on June 17, 2012
at 03:29 PM

@coffeesnob You can find some good information about the benefits of adding carbs back in on chriskresser.com and perfecthealthdiet.com. @canis & bill Given Mat Lalonde's and Chris Kresser's recent Jimmy Moore podcast appearances I am under the impression that they both believe that caloric restriction changes your metabolic state to one where the body holds on to fat, which was my understanding of starvation mode.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on June 17, 2012
at 02:21 PM

@coffeesnob, re, "I look okay....": I think this is really important information. Your detection of the weight gain was delayed, you look okay, I really wonder if you've added not only some fat, but some muscle too. Muscles weigh more but take up less space than fat, so clothes can still fit--or even fit better--at higher weights. I'm still a little worried about your eating schedule, but it truly does not sound like anyone considers your weight a problem. Of course yours is the only opinion that matters on that.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on June 17, 2012
at 02:08 PM

@Sam Knox, a follow-up after reading your link: your thesis is that LC does not cause hypothyroidism in people *without pre-existing thyroid disease*. You responded to the question of the OP having a thyroid test with the suggestion that the carb-thyroid connection was a "pernicious myth." Though I want to believe that, your website does nothing whatever to substantiate that claim if we're talking about someone with pre-existing thyroid disease. Since we simply can't know if the OP has/had such a condition, we can't conclude nonrelationship between carbs and thyroid function in the OP.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on June 17, 2012
at 01:52 PM

@Sam Knox: I don't think there's any evidence that a paleo diet fixes broken thyroids either. So carb issue aside, thyroid testing may make sense. Personally, I hope you are right about the carb-thyroid non-connection, because I'm hypothyroid, and have been wary of VLC because of this, even though whenever I try it I feel great.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on June 17, 2012
at 01:42 PM

@coffeesnob: of course it's fine. The part I was interested in was really the intermittent part more than the eating window. But as others have pointed out, intermittent can still be regular and I was using a legit but too restrictive definition of the word. All that's just a distraction from my real point, which was wondering if the extreme daily restriction represented a mechanism for coping with what would otherwise be a very unhealthy eating disorder behavior, a possibility your second edit to your question seems to acknowledge.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on June 17, 2012
at 01:38 PM

'Starvation mode' is complete BS unless you do not eat for months and burn away most of your fat and muscle.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on June 17, 2012
at 01:37 PM

You ate too much, which is how everyone that is overweight got that way.

10cadc0a2dff90c849c6d088832be324

(741)

on June 17, 2012
at 01:01 PM

I hope you're coming to peace about it. You've worked hard to bet to a healthy weight but it sounds like you've got a. Bit to. Go before you can truely love your image. All the best to you! Remember that you are beautiful!

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 16, 2012
at 11:47 PM

Yes, I gained a lot of muscle (and bone mass!) when I started eating Paleo, and I didn't exercise (because I'm lazy). But I had barely any muscle and weak bones, because of Grave's disease. I was very weak, I had trouble holding a glass of water or getting up after kneeling. After paleo I am very strong without exercising, I can lift my boyfriend's toolbox easily.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 16, 2012
at 11:44 PM

For example, while I may only eat 2 or 3 eggs at a meal, I cook them in 3 tablespoons of bacon grease. When I cook meat and vegetables, I use a lot more fat than that. (Note I'm using animal fat, not vegetable. Vegetable oils make food greasy, animal fat makes food irresistible and succulent, big difference)

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 16, 2012
at 11:41 PM

I also generally only eat one meal per day, and the amount of meat you eat is making me feel sick :P I wonder if you eat enough fat. I think part of the reason I'm never hungry is because about 70% of my calories come from saturated animal fat. (You sound to me like you're scared of fat, why?)

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on June 16, 2012
at 04:59 PM

Explanation, JayJay?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 05:08 AM

Can you gain muscle mass from eating mostly Paleo with little strengthening workouts?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 05:07 AM

Can you gain weight from eating mostly Paleo with little strengthening workouts?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 05:02 AM

Haha thanks for putting things in perspective. I may eat a lot but remember that's all I am eating for the day. I eat only one meal. Is 4-5 eggs for one day too much? Okay, 1.5 lb of meat may be a little too much.. but I drained the fat! haha but yup I dropping dairy and nuts first and sticking to fish only.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on June 16, 2012
at 04:57 AM

Try chucking a days worth of food into this - http://www.myfoodrecord.com/mainnat.html and see what the calories are like. It doesnt take long, and will give u an idea of if your close or under or over without needing to obsess on counting.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on June 16, 2012
at 04:54 AM

Sounds like if you ate more meals, you could slip in a bit more veg. Your calorie count may be quite high. I have 5 eggs+1 tomato for breakfast, with some cheese, and something like, one free range chicken breast, some grass fed beef stirfry strips, a steak, or a couple of fish with a pile of veges (sometimes with more cheese, sometimes the meat is a bit more). Then I might have supper, coconut or tuna with cheese or a cup of low sugar berries. I think with my 3 meals, and cheese I am still maybe eating less calories than you in one meal. I am extremely inactive ATM, and have still lost 8kgs.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on June 16, 2012
at 04:46 AM

It may be to do with leptin, or hunger patterns. Try two-three meals per day with no snacks in between. Personally i dont think cheese is a problem, more fat = more satiation from eating. Besides, if your diet is somewhat tasty, your less likely to cheat. But I am not an expert. I dont think paleo people fasted that much either, I was under the impression that one or two days a week was better..if i only ate once a day, id eat like a ravaneous lion.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 16, 2012
at 04:15 AM

I don't think we know if Coffeesnob actually needs any toning - she may be a bit heavier from muscle, for all we know! But...pilates is lovely. I abhor gyms, and I resist any kind of regiment...but I love pilates. It's really just moving around in a nice, useful way, getting more movement, getting more mind-body synapses firing...I think it's a really lovely, kind, respectful way to tune into the body.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 16, 2012
at 04:08 AM

Three cheers for a sane, body loving, common sense and affirming response!

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 03:24 AM

uhh so I am expanding my eating window to 8 hours and doing IF daily. Is that fine?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 03:13 AM

@ GPS, I was thinking about doing exactly what you suggest. But why should I cook my calories--even vegetables?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 03:10 AM

I look okay. I look a little chubbier than before...but definitely not 20lbs extra. That's why I am a little weirded out by the scale number. You are right. I love IF because it allows me to have the control...

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 03:06 AM

Thanks! I am definitely ditching dairy, nuts and fruit... I will update within a few weeks!

Bcc4479de4f16939076e0a00e2db1261

(94)

on June 16, 2012
at 02:21 AM

Im no professional, but open the eating window to 8 hours and kill the nuts, dairy, and other finger foods. Cook all of your calories. Problems solved.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 01:55 AM

When did you realize IF wasn't for you? Did you also gain weight with IF?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 12:46 AM

You are right. I guess I am a little shocked by the number... I knew I gained a few pounds but not 20lbs!

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 12:42 AM

I cheated for about 4 weeks total here and there (friends visiting, exams, work-related events..) I don't eat dairy/nuts anymore. Now I only eat lean sources of protein.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on June 15, 2012
at 11:33 PM

Since when does "intermittent" mean "irregular?"

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 11:30 PM

Can someone tell me why a short eating window is bad? Only now I realize it can be a problem. I sometimes eat within 1 hour--basically one big meal for the day and that's it. But I feel fine doing this.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on June 15, 2012
at 11:26 PM

What she says is akin to the "warrior diet"....here http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-fast-part-six-choosing-a-method/#axzz1xu21YU5d

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on June 15, 2012
at 11:24 PM

No....the intermittent fast is the sort you can do CONSISTENTLY...IE on a daily basis. The intermittent portion is the fact it is broken every day rather than days on end.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on June 15, 2012
at 11:18 PM

Wrong..........

2fd566cefde2de38e75e1bc13a966e16

(662)

on June 15, 2012
at 08:42 PM

IF with a 4-hour eating window every day is insane. IF might not even be that great for women at all, but almost everyone who does it uses an 8-hour eating window. Four seems way too small.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on June 15, 2012
at 08:27 PM

IF seemed to work for me for a while, until it didn't anymore. :/

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on June 15, 2012
at 08:26 PM

If seemed to work for me for a while, until it didn't. :/

Ecb90bbbd5a15868b2592d517a4a5e82

(280)

on June 15, 2012
at 08:20 PM

Count calories. Eat less. How did you gain weight? You overate. It's really that simple. But now that you've had a reality check, you can take the necessary actions to eat less and lose weight, such as abandoning cheats, snacks, nuts and dairy. Good luck.

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

(4238)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:53 PM

I thought it had been established that "starvation mode" is a complete myth.

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

(4238)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:49 PM

Agreed. Once I hit my Paleo stride I shed a considerable percentage of my highest weight and leveled off at an "underweight" number that even a lot of people on this forum would take exception to, but I feel awesome and perform better than I ever have.

F0a3e3f17d9a740810ac37ff2353a9f3

(3804)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:33 PM

@coffeesnob: There's no evidence that LC or VLC impairs thyroid function or causes any symptom of hypothyroidism, and there's no reason that it should. This is nothing more than a pernicious myth. Chris Kresser may be right about some things related to thyroid function, but this isn't one of them. http://wp.me/p25oah-7l

A4216f1b1e1f5ab3815bd91700905081

(1646)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:22 PM

Adding dairy to coffee adds calories and fat that are really easy to overlook.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:17 PM

Yup... you are right.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:14 PM

Or you may have weighed more than you thought last summer if you were using older scales then. Old bathroom scales can easily be a few pounds out.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:12 PM

@coffeesnob, It may be worth checking with some different scales, they can be inaccurate. I'm not saying you haven't gained some weight but it may be less than the scales say.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:12 PM

Thanks! I will listen to Kresser!

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:08 PM

@rick you may be right about eating too many calories. but i don't eat ground beef everyday, maybe 3 times a month?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:07 PM

@Matthew, uhh in my kitchen with a brand new bathroom scale... do you think the scale is miscalibrated?

8828d5922b47a0e2b82bde2232037746

(616)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:07 PM

I'm a 160 pound guy and honestly I ONLY eat 1.5 lbs ground beef every day. That's it. If you're eating 1.5lbs GB along with Cheese, butter, nuts, olive oil... they all add lots of calories that can add up before you know it. One pound of ground beef alone can be 1000-1100 calories. My vote is that you may just be eating too much. Drop it back to one pound ground beef a day and see if you don't lose about a pound a week.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:04 PM

Can I ask where you weighed yourself?

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:01 PM

That's a lot more cheating than *I* could handle without gaining. Makes sense to me that you've gained a bit. Stop cheating & dial back on the nuts. Make sure your sleep is dialed in.

531b053b68e92ac509fc1544f88dc103

(1205)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:57 PM

What would adding diary to coffee do?

5e5ff249c9161b8cd96d7eff6043bc3a

(4713)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:54 PM

Not necessarily. I'd listen to Chris Kresser on Jimmy Moore's new podcast, he does a great one about thyroid and how a VLC or ZC diet can be detrimental to thyroid function.

631b29d5ab1146e264e91d08103bb72c

(1277)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:53 PM

You are 130. Not 230. Relax.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:52 PM

Black. But I stopped drinking excessive amount of coffee since January. I may drink 3-4 cups a week.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:50 PM

Thanks... But 20lbs is not a tiny bit of weight for my height... :/

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:48 PM

Thanks! I am not hungry during the day. I get hungry at 4PM (I guess my body is used to IF). How would more carbs stop the weight gain?

631b29d5ab1146e264e91d08103bb72c

(1277)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:48 PM

I don't see much of a problem. I would relax, eat a little less and maybe walk a little more. Maybe even try to lift something heavy a couple of times a week but that's it. If there is a medical condition that is one thing, but adding a tiny bit of weight - particularly for females - is not necessarily a bad thing.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:46 PM

Interesting... I read that article a long time ago and disregarded it because I was feeling fine with IF.... but now I should maybe stop IF.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:45 PM

Nope. Even if I have thyorid issues, shouldn't eating Paelo improve the thyroid functions, not worsen it?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:41 PM

I am moderately active. I walk 30min 3 times a week, elliptical 30 min 3 times a week... I tried Crossfit type of workouts from March-April.

631b29d5ab1146e264e91d08103bb72c

(1277)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:38 PM

What is your activity level? What is your body fat %? How do you feel?

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14bb8a9450ba94afbf2e11f92a2cfa67

(150)

on June 16, 2012
at 02:38 AM

Let us not forget that this person has an eating disorder. Giving her 'quick' fixes to lose the 20 lbs is absolutely insane! As a previous counselor and current nutritionist that is an area that most people who want to give advice are not well versed in. To the person that posted the question, if you are feeling good and eating disorder is under control, you definitely need not worry about the scale. My guess is that you look healthy. Most people would notice a 20 pound weight gain. The fact that you didn't until you got on the scale makes me believe that you are fine. However, the daily IF can be viewed as the 'control' that most folks with eating disorders can thrive on. I would use caution. :)

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 03:10 AM

I look okay. I look a little chubbier than before...but definitely not 20lbs extra. That's why I am a little weirded out by the scale number. You are right. I love IF because it allows me to have the control...

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on June 17, 2012
at 02:21 PM

@coffeesnob, re, "I look okay....": I think this is really important information. Your detection of the weight gain was delayed, you look okay, I really wonder if you've added not only some fat, but some muscle too. Muscles weigh more but take up less space than fat, so clothes can still fit--or even fit better--at higher weights. I'm still a little worried about your eating schedule, but it truly does not sound like anyone considers your weight a problem. Of course yours is the only opinion that matters on that.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 18, 2012
at 11:47 PM

@Christopher, thank you for your support. I never thought about it, but I think I may have gained some muscle. I had lost a lot of my muscle during my low fat, low cal, cardio days; I used to run 5-7 miles daily.

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Bd563f82796b3d0f073e35ede2385b08

on June 15, 2012
at 06:41 PM

Check this article out re: IF and women. I had to stop because my hormones went haywire and i started gaining weight. I eat every 3-4 hours and i've lost the weight...

http://www.paleoforwomen.com/shattering-the-myth-of-fasting-for-women-a-review-of-female-specific-responses-to-fasting-in-the-literature/

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on June 15, 2012
at 08:27 PM

IF seemed to work for me for a while, until it didn't anymore. :/

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:46 PM

Interesting... I read that article a long time ago and disregarded it because I was feeling fine with IF.... but now I should maybe stop IF.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 01:55 AM

When did you realize IF wasn't for you? Did you also gain weight with IF?

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on June 15, 2012
at 08:26 PM

If seemed to work for me for a while, until it didn't. :/

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Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

(12540)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:36 PM

Here's my take on all of this, from someone who's been 'round the bend a few times. The weight charts that tell us what we're "supposed" to weigh do NOTHING to tell a person whether or not he or she is at a healthy weight for his or her own body. It is VERY individual. There are some things to look at to determine whether or not you are HEALTHY where you're at:

  1. Can you exert yourself heavily and recover relatively quickly?
  2. Can you bend, stretch, touch your toes, dance, etc., and feel good doing it?
  3. Do you sleep well, for an appropriate amount of time?
  4. How's your appetite?

If you're able to exert yourself heavily and bounce back quickly, have good flexibility, sleep well, and you eat when you're truly hungry, until you're sated, you're probably at a good weight for YOU, regardless of what the stupid charts have to say.

I'd also remind you that if you were -underweight- when you purchased those clothes, or you weren't at your own personal 'right weight', it makes sense that your clothes won't fit right, and the problem isn't the scale or your weight -- the problem is that it's time to go buy some nice new clothes that fit your body's best shape!

Namaste, Firestorm

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

(4238)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:49 PM

Agreed. Once I hit my Paleo stride I shed a considerable percentage of my highest weight and leveled off at an "underweight" number that even a lot of people on this forum would take exception to, but I feel awesome and perform better than I ever have.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 16, 2012
at 04:08 AM

Three cheers for a sane, body loving, common sense and affirming response!

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 28, 2012
at 01:16 AM

YAY , Firestorm.

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19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 16, 2012
at 04:52 AM

Here's a funny thing.
This woman has the exact same BMI as you and she is also considered overweight by the BMI. how-did-i-gain-20lbs-on-paleo?-i-am-overweight-now.

The BMI says this woman is obese.
how-did-i-gain-20lbs-on-paleo?-i-am-overweight-now.

BMI also says this woman is overweight, with a BMI of 25.
how-did-i-gain-20lbs-on-paleo?-i-am-overweight-now.

Just thought I'd show some fun pictures :P

But anyway....

May I suggest changing only one thing at a time? Don't try all the suggestions all at once, then you won't know what did the trick.

I would say to drop the nuts and cheese first (I knoooow, I love cheese too!), and see if that helps. If not, then get rid of the fruit next. If not...

I would say to drop the meat back a little, I'm 5'5" big boned woman (NOT fat, I just have a wide body) and eating 1.5 lbs of meat would make me sick, it's just too much. My 6'2" boyfriend, yeah, me? Nope.

If you're not hungry, then can you eat a little less meat? If you get hungry again, add it back in.

Also keep in mind that even if you did gain 20 pounds (though you said you used to be between 110-120 lbs, so you could have only gained 10 pounds), not all of it would have been fat? If you did calorie (and I would guess meat/fat) restriction, then some of the weight gain would be muscle which weights a lot more than fat.

4-5 eggs is probably way too much for a "little girl" like you (*), I eat 2 or 3 eggs for breakfast, today I actually had 4 and I felt so full I had to lay down. ^^

Again, my tall and strong boyfriend can finish a whole roast chicken for dinner, yet I eat 2 drumsticks and I'm done. Eating half a chicken sounds revolting to me :o

(*) I only say little girl because compared to most woman out there, even though I'm not fat, I look like Hulk compared to them :P My body type looks like I'm a strong warrior...

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 05:08 AM

Can you gain muscle mass from eating mostly Paleo with little strengthening workouts?

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 16, 2012
at 11:41 PM

I also generally only eat one meal per day, and the amount of meat you eat is making me feel sick :P I wonder if you eat enough fat. I think part of the reason I'm never hungry is because about 70% of my calories come from saturated animal fat. (You sound to me like you're scared of fat, why?)

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 05:07 AM

Can you gain weight from eating mostly Paleo with little strengthening workouts?

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 16, 2012
at 11:47 PM

Yes, I gained a lot of muscle (and bone mass!) when I started eating Paleo, and I didn't exercise (because I'm lazy). But I had barely any muscle and weak bones, because of Grave's disease. I was very weak, I had trouble holding a glass of water or getting up after kneeling. After paleo I am very strong without exercising, I can lift my boyfriend's toolbox easily.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 16, 2012
at 11:44 PM

For example, while I may only eat 2 or 3 eggs at a meal, I cook them in 3 tablespoons of bacon grease. When I cook meat and vegetables, I use a lot more fat than that. (Note I'm using animal fat, not vegetable. Vegetable oils make food greasy, animal fat makes food irresistible and succulent, big difference)

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 05:02 AM

Haha thanks for putting things in perspective. I may eat a lot but remember that's all I am eating for the day. I eat only one meal. Is 4-5 eggs for one day too much? Okay, 1.5 lb of meat may be a little too much.. but I drained the fat! haha but yup I dropping dairy and nuts first and sticking to fish only.

Ecb90bbbd5a15868b2592d517a4a5e82

(280)

on June 18, 2012
at 07:10 PM

The ladies above are beautiful. However I would agree that they are a tad heavy around the tummy - I wonder if they are lifting? - and 2 of the pix don't seem to show very much clavicle. At 20-22% body fat I would expect to see a little more clavicle and a bit less roll under the navel. Still overall, they are extremely attractive. :)

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 19, 2012
at 11:03 AM

Seriousky? They are grown women, not teenagers, of course they don't have flat tummies or fresh perky breasts for that matte. The pictures are the to give some perpective to the OP. I don't kmow the actual situation with the OP so I can'r verify if shes fat or not, just wanted to explain that often bmi is a lie. hese are regular women, not athletes.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 19, 2012
at 11:03 AM

sorry typing from phone

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5e5ff249c9161b8cd96d7eff6043bc3a

(4713)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:41 PM

Things you could try:

1) Abandoning the 4 hour feeding window and just eating when you're hungry and to satiety.

2) Adding in some fruit and/or startchy tubers.

3) Both of those things.

I don't know that anyone is going to be able to give you a sure answer without knowing more, although if you're not eating enough and putting yourself into starvation mode with overly restricted calories, your body will store fat. I don't understand thinking you're not doing it well enough if this regimen isn't working for you. In some ways the cause will have to be discovered by n=1 experimentation, or getting some bloodwork done, e.g. to check your thyroid. If you're that concerned, list other symptoms. Otherwise, try something else; see what happens.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:48 PM

Thanks! I am not hungry during the day. I get hungry at 4PM (I guess my body is used to IF). How would more carbs stop the weight gain?

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

(4238)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:53 PM

I thought it had been established that "starvation mode" is a complete myth.

5e5ff249c9161b8cd96d7eff6043bc3a

(4713)

on June 17, 2012
at 03:29 PM

@coffeesnob You can find some good information about the benefits of adding carbs back in on chriskresser.com and perfecthealthdiet.com. @canis & bill Given Mat Lalonde's and Chris Kresser's recent Jimmy Moore podcast appearances I am under the impression that they both believe that caloric restriction changes your metabolic state to one where the body holds on to fat, which was my understanding of starvation mode.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on June 17, 2012
at 01:38 PM

'Starvation mode' is complete BS unless you do not eat for months and burn away most of your fat and muscle.

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31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 18, 2012
at 03:16 PM

hey coffeesnob! firstly, CONGRATS on taking huge steps to heal your body and reconnect with a positive self-image. you are where many with an ED dream of being. i have found for me, that a huge healing process recovering from an ED is learning to trust your body and just get away from all the craziness surrounding food. what you are experiencing seems to be a completely normal rebound from anorexia. it is super common for those who have restricted in the past to gain some weight before they stabilize... i gained a sizable amount. it didn't last long until my body started to work its way back to a healthy place.

you are doing so many things right - eating real foods, not weighing or restricting, taking care of your body. it's a learning process how to feed our bodies not too much and not too little, and make peace with the voices in our heads that tell us how to do so. this may be an unneeded question, but have you sought help for you eating disorder in the past? if not, you may still have some underlying control issues/reactions to food you haven't deal with that have just been in remission eating paleo. i would hesitate to recommend the warrior diet (restricted IF) to anyone with a disordered past until the emotions and control around food is healed. eating in such a dramatic style can keep the ED thoughts alive, even subconsciously. therapy or counseling and working with a paleo nutritionist would be my recommendation, as well as just giving yourself a hug. weight is changable, but emotional damage is a big deal. in order to know if this weight is not healthy for you, you need to be healthy in your mind and heart. treasure yourself!

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 19, 2012
at 01:34 PM

seeking help does NOT mean you are weak. it means you are strong enough to endure someone else poking into your most challenging places in the pursuit of total healing. comparing your own emotions/thoughts/actions against that of someone who does not struggle can help so much! it shows you life doesn't have to be the trap it can be with food issues. hang in there!!!

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 18, 2012
at 11:59 PM

Rebekah! Thank you so much for your support. It's definitely a learning process. I don't know what normal eating means anymore. Only after getting some response on PaleoHacks did I realize that IF has been keeping my ED thoughts alive. I haven't sought any professional help because I thought I was recovering on my own with paleo. But these summer months and this weight gain are really triggering and I may need to seek help. Thanks, Rebekah. I wish you the best!

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 19, 2012
at 01:35 PM

ps - i find that "food rules" are not conducive to recovery. consider relaxing your meal timing now, not fasting at all. at least until you consult help. fasting for those of us with challenging pasts CAN be destructive.

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877ded1787562057ee2e1a4548b6050a

on June 15, 2012
at 08:29 PM

I would also add that your food list could range from as low as 1000 calories to well over 3000.

1.5 pounds of ground beef is over 1000 calories alone.

You mention eating cheese, but do not specify how much. One ounce is over 100 calories, so several ounces at a meal can really add up.

Nuts add up quickly too. If and when I binge, it's nuts or nut butters. I can put away a lot very quickly, and I still won't be satisfied.

Half a chicken could be anywhere from 500-1500 calories.

Therefore, my suggestion is to track your calories for several weeks using dailyplate.com or one of the other calorie trackers. Anyone I know that can't seem to lose weight always finds out they are eating way more food than they realize. I have friends that will say they eat almost nothing, and when you add up the coffee with cream and sugar, snacks, sodas, meals, desserts, they are well over 3000 calories in a day. No wonder they are 40-50 pounds overweight, especially while sitting all day at the office.

Again, track things closely, and you might find you will lose fairly quickly. Your body does not need nearly the amount of food that your mind thinks it does.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 18, 2012
at 03:03 PM

erm... i would hesitate to give this advice to someone who has/is struggling with an eating disorder, especially one who previously restricted/practiced anorexia. losing fairly quickly and tracking closely = DANGER.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 18, 2012
at 03:03 PM

however it is very sound advice for the casual overeater

877ded1787562057ee2e1a4548b6050a

on June 20, 2012
at 06:16 PM

Yes ma'am. I won't let it happen again.

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Medium avatar

(3213)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:01 PM

First thing, i'm pretty sure your overall health is better than it was before, regarding to the weight gain issue, i believe there are two factors to it, 1st: Caloric intake, this isn't magic, if you consume more calories than what you burn, the excess will turn into adipose tissue as a reserve. 2nd: Intermittent fasting works better at shorter periods of time for women than it does for men, i would recommend fasting no more than twice a week for periods of 12-14 hours. Cheers.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:17 PM

Yup... you are right.

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26e2364f7966432bbf8acfe930583674

(460)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:00 PM

I wouldn't be too concerned about a BMI one shade beyond the "normal" range as that can simply be a function of gaining some muscle, which is particularly possible if you were previously doing loads of cardio.

I would not use scale weight or how clothes fit as a reliable metric either. Being healthy is quite often independent of numbers on a BMI calculator, scale, or the tag on clothing.

I would look to an honest assessment of you fitness or health abstracted from the numbers that we like to cling to so much as a better indicator.

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on July 27, 2012
at 11:48 PM

CoffeeSnob and I are one....

In my search to find what works for me and eating/food, I've come across something that intrigues me: Reward Deficiency Syndrome. Livestrong.com has a good explanation. There is a product I may try call 'SynaptoGenX' that is supposed to help your brain balance out neurotransmitters/hormones and this plays into how we are around food (control, lack of control, bingeing, starving, and if you're me: obsessing).

I really struggle with the satiety of eating as much of whatever Paleo foods I like (you can read eating more calories than I probably need, and bingeing on heavy cream), and the knowledge that in order to be leaner I need to 'control' my caloric intake. Seems like as soon as I go down that path I get crazed to figure it all out, and the restrictive eating triggers bingeing and the inevitable emotional consequences.

I know, I know, I too am in need of some professional help in this regard!

But it's nice to have a forum like this to see how others are coping. Thanks, everyone!

And best of luck to you, coffeesnob, keep us posted. :)

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on July 28, 2012
at 09:42 PM

.......We are both in need of some professional help. Thank you for sharing your experience, and I really wish you the best of luck and recovery... How are you doing now?

14e1dbdd25db00d2c9db36d6a695f6cb

(159)

on July 29, 2012
at 01:28 AM

Going to order the SynaptoGenX soon...will keep you posted as to how it makes me feel...as a side note, I can say my estrogen dominance symptoms (I'm 42 and starting to get some funky fluctuations) are better since taking liver support stuff, helps liver process out the estrogen as opposed to recycling it in the body. I added salad with crucifers/dandelion greens everynight and cut out fruit altogether. I mention this because estrogen dominance makes it very difficult to lose the belly/thigh bulge. Not to mention its a risk factor for estrogen stimulated cancers...

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on July 28, 2012
at 09:41 PM

I think we are in similar situations... Right now, I am going through the phase where I think i need to control my calories in order to go down to the right weight. This is after a few months of possibly binging on Paleo food... Recently, I have experienced a few episodes of binging and purging, which I think is the result of my obsession with weight, calories and food....

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on October 12, 2012
at 09:13 PM

@TonkLover, how are you doing? I keep gaining weight... This is really frustrating....

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on June 15, 2012
at 11:22 PM

I know frequent weighing is frowned upon, but I do it every morning. Have for over 25 years. Guess what....its a measurement. If your on the road to a destination then you should have a map and measurement markers to determine if your getting there. Your use of that measurement is what makes it good or bad. I've purposely allowed my weight to increase as I lift and gain muscle at a reasonable rate, or I decrease it to burn fat.....don't fear scales. Nine months without weighing yourself and possibly overeating that entire time could be the issue. The other issue is where you underweight before? Like I said the scale is a tool....gotta know how to use it.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on July 28, 2012
at 03:28 PM

Past eating disorders can often create a fear and inability to use scales without triggering, possibly forever.

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A9060c656599eafcebf4b6759b3959bb

on June 15, 2012
at 10:10 PM

The BMI metric needs to get thrown out the window- according to BMI I am overweight, but my BF % is 23%- well into the healthy range for women. BMI does not take into account muscle AT ALL, which it sounds like you may have gained a fair bit of.

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78964c5cc470f86a5897db8e1ce8e6f9

on June 15, 2012
at 07:36 PM

The first thing I would suggest is to abandon the IF for now and try eating smaller meals throughout the day. Some people do well with IF, others do better with a grazing style.

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C7960eecd671a3ac8a1700445631b74a

on July 27, 2012
at 10:43 PM

Hi there. I am about to go Paleo very soon. I have a history of ED, although not exactly like yours. There are a few things that really struck me in what you wrote though:

1) Stop the IF. I did that for almost 2 years (on a mainly vegeterian/vegan diet) and it didnt help ONE BIT. Not even 1%. Nothing. Maybe it works for others, but it doesnt mean it will help for each and everyone of us, otherwise we'd all be doing IF, no?!

2) Be more flexible- I know this is a really tough one for ex/current EDs. For ex, do NOT set a time frame of when you can eat/not eat. You're only driving yourself crazier and setting yourself up to binges/cheat days, which have explained the 20lbs that have slowly creeped up the last 9 months. You're basically eating during your time frame, and then "dreaming" about when it opens again. That develops an obsessive thought about food, which is not healthy.

3) Ditch the scale. It's a big fat lie IMO. Judge on your clothes only. Female bodies especially fluctuate bc of water retention, constipation (male/female) etc...and a 2lb gain from water retention is a false number and will only make you more miserable. My ED greatly improved (although not 100%) the day I ditched the scale. I actually LOST weight when I stopped weighing myself.

4) My only advice would be to reduce nuts/olive oil. At the end of the day, they are high in calories and you need to take that into consideration. Dont be obsessive about your calories, but you have to cut down the nuts/olive oil if you want to lose the 20lb.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on July 28, 2012
at 09:23 PM

I have stopped IF since mid-June... I can't ditch the scale again; I am afraid I am going to continue gaining if I don't weigh myself. That's basically what happened when I started recovery on Paleo. I don't eat nuts, dairy, or olive oil now. So, I will have to see how things go....

C7960eecd671a3ac8a1700445631b74a

(115)

on July 29, 2012
at 03:29 PM

hmm.. i dont know what to tell you then... my best advice would be calculate your calories. do it for a few days and if it's too high then you'll understand why. calories are calories: meat, nuts, sugar etc. if your intake is still low however, then see a doctor? good luck!

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on July 28, 2012
at 09:25 PM

The weight loss has been really slow...even after I adopted these changes: no nuts, no dairy, no IF, no added fats, no avocado... I only lost about 3 lbs...

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A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on June 15, 2012
at 10:38 PM

I wonder if you might be (perhaps subconsciously) minimizing the extreme nature of your eating schedule by calling it "IF." IF stands for "intermittent fasting," and one meaning of intermittent is "occurring at irregular intervals." But you seem to fast 20 hours a day, every day. (For those questioning my view of "intermittent," I wonder why 20 hours a day is called "intermittent" but, say, 8 hours a day while sleeping isn't? What's the meaningful difference that makes one an intermittent fast and one not? Or are they both actually considered IF?)

Whether or not that's related to weight gain, I couldn't say. But I rarely really see IF recommended this way. I don't know much about eating disorders, but if it was me, I might ask myself if the (possibly) extreme fasting is related to that, perhaps as a sublimation/coping strategy allowing me to escape some of the most negative, harmful consequences of the disorder. For example, you're not starving, and probably have excellent nutrition--something many people with eating disorders couldn't claim. And that's a good thing--progress!

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on June 15, 2012
at 11:24 PM

No....the intermittent fast is the sort you can do CONSISTENTLY...IE on a daily basis. The intermittent portion is the fact it is broken every day rather than days on end.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on June 15, 2012
at 11:33 PM

Since when does "intermittent" mean "irregular?"

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on June 17, 2012
at 01:42 PM

@coffeesnob: of course it's fine. The part I was interested in was really the intermittent part more than the eating window. But as others have pointed out, intermittent can still be regular and I was using a legit but too restrictive definition of the word. All that's just a distraction from my real point, which was wondering if the extreme daily restriction represented a mechanism for coping with what would otherwise be a very unhealthy eating disorder behavior, a possibility your second edit to your question seems to acknowledge.

Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

(12540)

on June 17, 2012
at 04:51 PM

Um... MathGirl72: in·ter·mit·tent/ˌintərˈmitnt/ Adjective: Occurring at irregular intervals; not steady: "there were overcast skies, intermittent rain, and heavy mists".

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on June 15, 2012
at 11:26 PM

What she says is akin to the "warrior diet"....here http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-fast-part-six-choosing-a-method/#axzz1xu21YU5d

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 03:24 AM

uhh so I am expanding my eating window to 8 hours and doing IF daily. Is that fine?

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10cadc0a2dff90c849c6d088832be324

(741)

on June 15, 2012
at 10:32 PM

I bet before you hopped on the scale you thought very highly of how you looked and felt. If you are wating properly then 130 is where your body naturally wants to rest. I think this discomfort is more about the number than the actual body look and feel and I bet you are beautiful at your weight right now. Remember that you've already admitted to eating dissorder/thinking irrationally about scale numbers. Coming from a guy who weighs just more than 2 of you I'd say you're doing ok for yourself darlin.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 18, 2012
at 03:06 PM

+1,0000000000000000000

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 12:46 AM

You are right. I guess I am a little shocked by the number... I knew I gained a few pounds but not 20lbs!

10cadc0a2dff90c849c6d088832be324

(741)

on June 17, 2012
at 01:01 PM

I hope you're coming to peace about it. You've worked hard to bet to a healthy weight but it sounds like you've got a. Bit to. Go before you can truely love your image. All the best to you! Remember that you are beautiful!

Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

(12540)

on June 17, 2012
at 04:53 PM

And as someone else mentioned earlier (and it may help your interpretation of things), you're calculating your gain from your LOWEST ED weight... it may only have been a 10 lb weight gain overall, since you did mention that your upper weight prior to this was 120!

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7c8e227dd8d5bdd77febfdebaa78dc13

on July 28, 2012
at 06:55 AM

I did IF for 6 months, and I can tell you it was the worst decision I ever made. I wasn't losing weight on it so on top of fasting I'd cut how much food I'd eat in my re-feeding window and I just kept on gaining weight. You think someone eating only 600-1000 cals a day 5+ days a week plus exercise 3 times a week you'd see weight loss, but I gained. My average body temp also plummeted to 96-97 degrees. Once I hit 10+ lbs over my paleo start weight i stopped the fasting.

I feel better with 3 meals, though my huger signals are now totally messed up. Trying to choke down even a small breakfast is very hard, but I feel better the rest of the day if I do it.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on July 28, 2012
at 09:16 PM

So have you been losing paleo weight by just increasing meal frequency?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on July 28, 2012
at 09:19 PM

Oh, I stopped IF. I eat two or three meals a day now...

7c8e227dd8d5bdd77febfdebaa78dc13

(185)

on July 30, 2012
at 08:16 PM

I haven't lost the weight I gained yet. I literally just stopped the fasting last week. Initially when I went paleo I lost 8 lbs immediately, but shortly thereafter I jumped back to my start weight (and it was not water weight!), cue fasting and 6 months later I'm now 10lbs heaver. I'm now trying to increase my calories I eat over the day since I've been eating 1200 calories or less a day for the last 10 years and have struggled with weight slowly going up no matter how much I exercise. Eating less has obviously not worked and I want to punch someone if they recommend that to me again.

7c8e227dd8d5bdd77febfdebaa78dc13

(185)

on July 30, 2012
at 08:29 PM

A good thing now is that even though I now eat 1500-1800 calories a day I have not gained anything. When I would fast, my body weight would swing wildly, on any given day I could be up or down 5 lbs. Now I hop on the scale and I'm typically at the same weight I was the last few days. I think I need to give my body a chance to heal itself from the fasting fiasco and then hopefully my weight will go down. I don't think i can state this enough, I feel soooooooooo much better now that I eat more and more often. I'm 5'9, and 1200 cals a day was clearly not enough and did me some major damage.

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8c9cbfe06f74a3b814271621fe2091ad

on July 28, 2012
at 02:49 AM

it wasn't the paleo that made you gain weight. your body needed to reset from the ED related behavior. it took me a year to stop gaining after my recovery. continue to be healthy, you will even out.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on July 28, 2012
at 09:27 PM

....Did your weight normalize after the initial gain?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on July 28, 2012
at 09:18 PM

I have to agree. During my ED days, I lost muscle, hair and period. It's been about a year since I went Paleo, and I hope my weight normalizes.. Thanks.

8c9cbfe06f74a3b814271621fe2091ad

(10)

on July 29, 2012
at 04:25 AM

ive only been in recovery for 18 months weight is starting to drop back off with paleo and crossfit.

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26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

(5798)

on June 16, 2012
at 01:32 AM

I would recommend you try beginner pilates, 3 times a week, just a half hour each time. Pilates not only builds strength and flexibility, but it certainly tones you up.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 16, 2012
at 04:15 AM

I don't think we know if Coffeesnob actually needs any toning - she may be a bit heavier from muscle, for all we know! But...pilates is lovely. I abhor gyms, and I resist any kind of regiment...but I love pilates. It's really just moving around in a nice, useful way, getting more movement, getting more mind-body synapses firing...I think it's a really lovely, kind, respectful way to tune into the body.

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 15, 2012
at 11:27 PM

You wrote, "Then, I started on Atkins and then moved on to Paleo last October. Since then, I stopped weighing myself and just focused on eating the right foods until point of satiety. Not weighing myself or counting calories really helped me control my disordered eating. Eating Paleo really helped me with my mood and energy. I started feeling better in general."

Let me assure you, that Paleo is healthier than Atkins.

Following the USDA guidelines, I have developed a binge eating disorder. Paleo helped me to cure that.

Paleo also helped me to get rid of another 20 or so symptoms that I used to have. So... I see a definite progress in my eating. Same goes for you, I am sure.

Do you look much heavier? Ask somebody who does not know you. You might look really healthy, you know.

If you want to see your weight going down - ditching dairy, nuts (even occasional) and fruit for a while will do the trick. Later you can re-introduce berries. But I would still focus on the health aspect of this diet rather than weight loss.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 03:06 AM

Thanks! I am definitely ditching dairy, nuts and fruit... I will update within a few weeks!

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 18, 2012
at 03:08 PM

gahhhhhhh the whole "lose weight fast thing" scares the pants offa me. please don't tell a disordered eater how to lose weight fast! not trying to be harsh, forums like this just scare me sometimes.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 18, 2012
at 05:25 PM

Sorry - I will edit it out. I did not mean it "fast" like really fast. I meant "faster".

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F99fb126da374ae30b803872ab2e53b8

(88)

on June 15, 2012
at 10:07 PM

Your eating window seems far too narrow. I would guess your body has slowed metabolism because of it.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on June 16, 2012
at 04:59 PM

Explanation, JayJay?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on June 15, 2012
at 11:18 PM

Wrong..........

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on June 15, 2012
at 09:43 PM

How often do you cheat? Do you still eat dairy? I would keep a food journal. Sometimes it's easy to start cheating a little here and there but it can add up.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 16, 2012
at 12:42 AM

I cheated for about 4 weeks total here and there (friends visiting, exams, work-related events..) I don't eat dairy/nuts anymore. Now I only eat lean sources of protein.

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4a54d7b05a642c12f54bf9bb7fa1794a

(140)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:43 PM

Not likely the root cause, but your user name begs the question…when you have your coffee, do you drink it black or load it with dairy products and sweeteners?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:52 PM

Black. But I stopped drinking excessive amount of coffee since January. I may drink 3-4 cups a week.

A4216f1b1e1f5ab3815bd91700905081

(1646)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:22 PM

Adding dairy to coffee adds calories and fat that are really easy to overlook.

531b053b68e92ac509fc1544f88dc103

(1205)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:57 PM

What would adding diary to coffee do?

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on June 15, 2012
at 06:42 PM

Have you ever had blood work done? Specifically thyroid?

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(4713)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:54 PM

Not necessarily. I'd listen to Chris Kresser on Jimmy Moore's new podcast, he does a great one about thyroid and how a VLC or ZC diet can be detrimental to thyroid function.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:12 PM

Thanks! I will listen to Kresser!

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:45 PM

Nope. Even if I have thyorid issues, shouldn't eating Paelo improve the thyroid functions, not worsen it?

F0a3e3f17d9a740810ac37ff2353a9f3

(3804)

on June 15, 2012
at 07:33 PM

@coffeesnob: There's no evidence that LC or VLC impairs thyroid function or causes any symptom of hypothyroidism, and there's no reason that it should. This is nothing more than a pernicious myth. Chris Kresser may be right about some things related to thyroid function, but this isn't one of them. http://wp.me/p25oah-7l

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on June 17, 2012
at 01:52 PM

@Sam Knox: I don't think there's any evidence that a paleo diet fixes broken thyroids either. So carb issue aside, thyroid testing may make sense. Personally, I hope you are right about the carb-thyroid non-connection, because I'm hypothyroid, and have been wary of VLC because of this, even though whenever I try it I feel great.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on June 17, 2012
at 02:08 PM

@Sam Knox, a follow-up after reading your link: your thesis is that LC does not cause hypothyroidism in people *without pre-existing thyroid disease*. You responded to the question of the OP having a thyroid test with the suggestion that the carb-thyroid connection was a "pernicious myth." Though I want to believe that, your website does nothing whatever to substantiate that claim if we're talking about someone with pre-existing thyroid disease. Since we simply can't know if the OP has/had such a condition, we can't conclude nonrelationship between carbs and thyroid function in the OP.

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