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WHY does dairy stall weight loss? (if it does)

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 08, 2013 at 4:56 AM

I am curious to know why dairy is seen in the primal/paleo community as generally prohibiting maximum fat loss.

I know dairy is not really 'paleo' but I wanted to ask the question here, anyway. I have been paleo for about three months now - no grains, no added sugar, no dairy, minimal fruit, fresh everything. I feel much better on it (and was coming straight from a 6 pepsi max per DAY diet) but I would really like to add some dairy back in. Purely from a taste/enjoyment of food perspective.

Although not paleo either, I am a calorie counter. Being a bit of a piggy by nature, I don't trust myself yet to just eat when I want to - I would literally be eating all day long. I typically consume around 1500 cals per day. In the past, I would usually have around 1200 when 'dieting', but that number isn't really feasible on a high fat diet. It's nice to not be constantly starving though! I have lost weight eating dairy on conventional diets in the past.

If I keep my cals steady, but incorporate some dairy (say a little cheese and greek yoghurt each day) is there any reason why my fat loss would be affected?

Does dairy typically only affect weight because it is high calorie = people eat too much of it?

I understand lactose is not "as bad" as fructose, but if I keep all sugars generally under 25g, will this really have an impact?

I'm just curious as to 'why' dairy is maligned (aside from the argument about cows milk growing a calf into a heiffer etc..) I have tried to find the answer but have had no luck. Has anyone introduced dairy, remained eating at a deficit and failed to lose fat because of the deficit?

I know it's something I could 'self-experiment' with - but I'd really need to give it at least a month to guage any real changes, and if that will be to my detriment, then I'd rather not waste the month!

I am 5'7", currently weigh 155lbs and would like to lose about 20lbs.

Thanks in advance for any input!!

Ed0cb30f40daff568778b776b2a5a81d

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on February 18, 2013
at 12:57 PM

Same thing here. But I know some have had weight stalls which they cleared by reducing their dairy intake.

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on February 17, 2013
at 04:23 AM

hahaha Quilt to the rescue...

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on February 10, 2013
at 06:27 PM

I try............

A402a961303d312055dc0b253f29deac

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on February 10, 2013
at 02:29 PM

Weight loss is the "killer app" for paleo. You're right, I'd love to hear more stories of dropping all blood pressure meds, never having migraines again, rheumathoid arthritis gone etc. We gotta live with it.

Ed0cb30f40daff568778b776b2a5a81d

(943)

on February 10, 2013
at 06:58 AM

@Rick Yes, I agree with that. I only have cream after workouts for instance because I also see it as 'very' anabolic substance. There are a lot conflicting opinions on this. Like the first paragraph of http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=536 disagrees with us. The entire series is quite interesting.

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on February 10, 2013
at 01:40 AM

Dairy stalls some people without excess calorie intake.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on February 10, 2013
at 01:39 AM

Charming as ever, Kruse.

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on February 10, 2013
at 12:29 AM

I recall reading (sorry reference not available) that the insulin response from dairy is significantly higher than the sugars would indicate it should be. The hypothesis being that milk is generated for babies to consume to grow and that evolution has engineered it and us to respond to it in such a way as to store the energy (fat) as much as possible when it's consumed.

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on February 09, 2013
at 07:24 PM

That's the Atkins talking. 1970 Atkins-style ketosis is the weight loss vehicle, not 30,000 BC diet and lifestyle.

F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

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on February 09, 2013
at 04:41 PM

Dairy affects everyone differently.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on February 08, 2013
at 08:20 PM

Ditto..........

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on February 08, 2013
at 05:21 PM

One reference to whey doesn't count dood.

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on February 08, 2013
at 04:32 PM

Yep. Used to drive 2 hours to get my wonderful raw cream. Delicious. I'm hoping to add it back in once I bring my weight down.

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

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on February 08, 2013
at 04:32 PM

Milk drinkers tend to weight less than non-drinkers.

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

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on February 08, 2013
at 04:30 PM

Milk drinkers tend to weight loss than non-drinkers.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on February 08, 2013
at 04:27 PM

I dont need traffic......i have plenty. I am trying to save your ass. Excuse me for caring.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on February 08, 2013
at 04:26 PM

Dairy has whey and whey is in the blog.......nice try bro.

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on February 08, 2013
at 04:19 PM

The word dairy is not included once this blog, nor much that I can see that relates to this question, so this answer seems unhelpful. I sorta feel like you're just trying to get traffic to your website...-1.

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on February 08, 2013
at 02:54 PM

Are you eating unpasteurized dairy from grass-fed cows?

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on February 08, 2013
at 03:39 PM

Hmmm, I'm not entirely convinced, at least not for everyone. My n=1 experience is that it doesn't affect my fat loss unless I overeat.

This is an interesting and intelligent article on the subject:

http://cogitoergoedo.com/?s=dairy

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on February 08, 2013
at 10:30 AM

This is why I don't like paleo any more, it's all about weight loss

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(10611)

on February 09, 2013
at 07:24 PM

That's the Atkins talking. 1970 Atkins-style ketosis is the weight loss vehicle, not 30,000 BC diet and lifestyle.

A402a961303d312055dc0b253f29deac

(320)

on February 10, 2013
at 02:29 PM

Weight loss is the "killer app" for paleo. You're right, I'd love to hear more stories of dropping all blood pressure meds, never having migraines again, rheumathoid arthritis gone etc. We gotta live with it.

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on February 08, 2013
at 05:17 AM

Rob Wolf talks about dairy stalling weight loss on the podcast he released this weak! Episode 69.

http://robbwolf.com/podcast

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Cf416725f639ffd1bb90764792ce7b8a

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on February 08, 2013
at 01:57 PM

I eat all sorts of whey, heavy cream, and butter while still losing weight. It doesn't bother everyone.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on February 08, 2013
at 08:20 PM

Ditto..........

Ed0cb30f40daff568778b776b2a5a81d

(943)

on February 18, 2013
at 12:57 PM

Same thing here. But I know some have had weight stalls which they cleared by reducing their dairy intake.

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Ed0cb30f40daff568778b776b2a5a81d

(943)

on February 08, 2013
at 10:39 AM

Andreas Eenfeldt just had a post on this here

I think the simple answer is the dairy is insulinogenic due to the protein which makes it anabolic. Apparently some people are more sensitive to this effect. Personally I don't gain weight from eating cheese. But if you read through the comments in the links you can see that some people gain weight by eating too much dairy (not eating too many calories) and some of them have continued their weight loss after removing it from their diet.

9d142ffae34c518722ea67d4cfb89a19

on February 10, 2013
at 12:29 AM

I recall reading (sorry reference not available) that the insulin response from dairy is significantly higher than the sugars would indicate it should be. The hypothesis being that milk is generated for babies to consume to grow and that evolution has engineered it and us to respond to it in such a way as to store the energy (fat) as much as possible when it's consumed.

Ed0cb30f40daff568778b776b2a5a81d

(943)

on February 10, 2013
at 06:58 AM

@Rick Yes, I agree with that. I only have cream after workouts for instance because I also see it as 'very' anabolic substance. There are a lot conflicting opinions on this. Like the first paragraph of http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=536 disagrees with us. The entire series is quite interesting.

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on February 09, 2013
at 03:18 PM

1) Insulin - dairy proteins are insulinogenic 2) Hormones - most cows are milked into the late stages of pregnancy, and their milk is high in oestrogens, which are concentrated in the fat. All dairy contains a lot of hormones

If you want to eat dairy, I suggest eating ONLY organic, no-added hormone dairy, and preferably from goats, as I believe it's lower in hormones

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on February 08, 2013
at 04:24 PM

Because even grass fed dairy has powerful hormones designed to make a tiny calf grow into a 1000 pound animal.but the hormones affect humans trying to lose weight unfortunately

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F72ab1bc6c6ace61d5a07e2aa78fab5c

on February 10, 2013
at 12:15 AM

Thank you to everyone who responded - first time posting so I don't know how to comment or anything yet (I assume I'm not allowed to) but appreciate the time people took to include links etc. Very helpful for someone who is still very much learning :-)

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on February 09, 2013
at 07:32 PM

You're already at a normal weight. If you want to lose 20 lbs it's not coming off easily. Finding foods that keep you satiated for not many calories makes the case for minor sized portions of calorie-dense dairy like cheese, cream, butter and full fat yogurt. Especially Greek yogurt, which has a lot of water removed. I'd be thinking in terms of using it as a condiment - butter on steak and fish, cheese shaved on steamed vegetables, tzatziki on crab legs or cucumbers, etc. 10 grams at a time.

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32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on February 08, 2013
at 04:59 AM

I don't know why, but I can definitely verify that it does. For me, even if I eat the smallest amount (say a tsp cream in my coffee) it will stall me. Of course it also gives me brain fog and exhaustion, so I probably have an allergy. Between inflammation and insulin response, it's not my friend. But for people looking to put on weight, it's an awesome tool.

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

(5802)

on February 08, 2013
at 04:32 PM

Yep. Used to drive 2 hours to get my wonderful raw cream. Delicious. I'm hoping to add it back in once I bring my weight down.

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on February 08, 2013
at 02:54 PM

Are you eating unpasteurized dairy from grass-fed cows?

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383127951e2e17f23b584cd3842bb796

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on February 08, 2013
at 10:47 PM

dairy doesn't stall weight loss unless you're overeating

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on February 10, 2013
at 01:40 AM

Dairy stalls some people without excess calorie intake.

F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

(591)

on February 09, 2013
at 04:41 PM

Dairy affects everyone differently.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on February 08, 2013
at 05:21 PM

One reference to whey doesn't count dood.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on February 10, 2013
at 01:39 AM

Charming as ever, Kruse.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 10, 2013
at 06:27 PM

I try............

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on February 08, 2013
at 04:19 PM

The word dairy is not included once this blog, nor much that I can see that relates to this question, so this answer seems unhelpful. I sorta feel like you're just trying to get traffic to your website...-1.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 08, 2013
at 04:27 PM

I dont need traffic......i have plenty. I am trying to save your ass. Excuse me for caring.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on February 08, 2013
at 04:26 PM

Dairy has whey and whey is in the blog.......nice try bro.

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on February 17, 2013
at 04:23 AM

hahaha Quilt to the rescue...

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