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When will the weight loss stop? I want to build muscle!

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 12, 2012 at 1:34 PM

What a journey this has been! I'm a 6 foot tall, 32yr old male, that weighed 183 lbs on Jan 10, 2012. In three months eating 100% paleo, I've come down to 162 lbs (21 pounds burned!). Almost all the fat came off my belly! Incredible! My body figure was kind of like Roger from the cartoon American Dad (skinny arms and chest with a little round belly popping out). For the first time in my life, I can see my ab muscles. I'm proud to say I've finally lost weight in a healthy and effective way! Ever since I was 18, I've been experimenting with every diet pill on the market and trying every stupid flush-the-fat diet out there - none of them ever worked. Of course, I was eating bread, pastries and cookies all the time too. But as soon as I tried the paleo diet - BOOM! - the fat was gone!

Funny Story: The weight loss has happened so fast, that I ran to the doctors the other day worried that I had an inguinal hernia forming on my right side which turned out to be an overdeveloped muscle (one side being larger than the other) which I never knew I had under all that jiggly stuff - I don't even recognize my own body anymore. The nurse thought my diet was awesome and gave me a fist-bump after reassuring me it was just a big-old muscle. My blood pressure has also come down since my last visit from 150/90 to 124/76! YES!

I've been eating lean meats 3 times a day (salmon, chicken, turkey) with 1/2 pound of grass-fed burger once a week as a fatty treat. I also eat tons of macadamia nuts as well as walnuts and almonds. My salad servings are huge; I literally eat out of a mixing bowl! Originally, I cut out fruits but starting adding apples and grapefruits back in 2 weeks ago in hopes of slowing the weight loss down. But it hasn't stopped. I keep loosing weight!

I don't want to disappear or turn into a twig. I'm happy where I am at a size 30 jeans and want to build muscle now. I work out 3-4 days a week lifting weights and while I haven't lost any strength, it doesn't look like I've gained any muscle either during the past 3 months.

Any suggestions on how I can keep the fat off but gain weight as muscle while still eating paleo? Is it time to add starches? If so, what kind and how much? Will my body know when to stop burning off fat or am I somehow under eating? I've been losing 1 pound per week in the last three weeks which might not seem like a lot but it makes me wonder - how much more can I really go? Am I meant to be 155 lbs and don't know it? :-/

Thanks in advance for you suggestions!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Also, HDL should be higher. Are you sure you aren't mixing up LDL with HDLs?

A72f969e98fb82fbaae341d29230b881

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on April 12, 2012
at 05:14 PM

As long as you are willing to learn the 5 basic compound movements (squat, deadlift, bench press, overhead press and power clean) and you can find a gym that has barbells and squat cage/power racks, the program is easy to follow and, since it is so simple, you are easily able to quantify your results. As far as saturated fat, I believe it isn't a problem when included in a well rounded, whole foods diet. Most of the meat I eat is from grass-fed cattle and my blood lipids are at very "safe" levels. But you could eat other natural fats as well, if you are concerned.

531b053b68e92ac509fc1544f88dc103

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on April 12, 2012
at 04:10 PM

Excellent recommendations. Enough of you have mentioned "Starting Strength" so I'm going to research that and buy the book you're mentioning. When everyone keeps saying "eat more fat, eat more fat", it still scares me. So what if I do as foreveryoung recommends and aim for more monounsaturated and omega 3 fats? When I hear "eat more fats", I instantly think of the damaging effects of excessive saturated fats from bacon, butter, and fatty beef. If I consume more macadamia nuts (high in monos) and lots and lots of wild salmon (omega 3s), then that should count as "more fats", right?

531b053b68e92ac509fc1544f88dc103

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on April 12, 2012
at 03:31 PM

Well who knows, the HDL could still come up over time. It's only been three months eating paleo anyways. I know that high LDL suppresses HDL because HDL is being kept busy removing the LDL. I hope that once my weight stabilizes, that my HDL/LDL will get better. At least my blood pressure has reversed it's destructive path. Thanks for those links, I'll read through them all tonight. Last year, I tried "vegan bodybuilding" for 6 months. That was a disaster! I went up to 187 pounds, my triglycerides shot up close to 300, and my blood pressure went up to the 150s/90s. All I gained was fat!

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on April 12, 2012
at 03:24 PM

I'll double the recommendation for sticking to something like Starting Strength. Maxing out your big, compound movements (squat, deadlift, bench (and I also do weighted chins)) really builds you up as fast as your body will go (so long as you're eating and recovering well enough).

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on April 12, 2012
at 03:16 PM

Skipper, we need to re access for a few Weeks adjust! No, we went tje wrong way! Let loose the weight! (Okay, maybe it's only funny to me...)

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on April 12, 2012
at 03:13 PM

Yeah, I can barely recover with 2 sessions per week. Maybe I'm just too old!

531b053b68e92ac509fc1544f88dc103

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on April 12, 2012
at 03:04 PM

That's good to hear, foreveryyoung. Thank you. The only way I've ever kept my LDL and HDL in good ratio is my keeping my total cholesterol down because my HDL never climbs above the 30s. When I saw 126 LDL the other week I freaked out. I'm glad it's only temporary. Did this happen to you as well or someone you know?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on April 12, 2012
at 02:58 PM

Congrats on your weight loss, man. That is awesome! Elevated LDL will likely go down once you stop losing weight. Both rapid weight loss and anorexia nervosa frequently result in elevated LDL which will recede once eating and bodyweight are stabilized. So, once you stop losing by introducing some more calories, you're LDLs wil, drop. I wouldn't worry your head over it.

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on April 12, 2012
at 02:47 PM

If you want to build muscle do Starting Strength and stay away from anything resembling P90X. If well tolerated drink plenty of milk.

531b053b68e92ac509fc1544f88dc103

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on April 12, 2012
at 02:42 PM

I'm will start adding half a sweet potato a day to my regimen and lift heavier weights in shorter burts as you're all suggesting. The big concern I have though about adding more fats, is that my LDL cholesterol has gone from the 70's to the 120s-130s in recent weeks. What if I added more salmon to get more fat so that I don't eat too many saturated fats or omega 6s? I don't want to push my LDL any higher. My HDL is still down around the low 30s.

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on April 12, 2012
at 02:22 PM

amazing journey so far well done! I think once your body adapts to the Paleo and your hormones and insulin reconfigure you should be able to eat tons and build muscle!

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at 01:58 PM

My co-worker had the same problem. He kept losing and losing. He had to increase portion sizes, add a bit of fat, and he's added some "paleo"-ish cheat goodies too. Things like coconut milk ice cream and the like.

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A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on April 12, 2012
at 02:02 PM

In addition to some carbs as greymouser suggests, consider adding fatty meat (or butter/coconut oil) more frequently. Why? Muscle cells (myocytes) are made mostly from FAT, not protein. (Hat tip Paul Jaminet). Without plenty of fat, you cannot build more muscle - of course, protein is also required.

Anyone who knows anything about gaining or getting bigger says you need to do three things:
1. Work out heavy/high intensity - sends the growth message to your body.
2. Rest/sleep/recover - this is when you actually grow.
3. Eat! You simply can't grow if you don't eat enough.

In the words of Mrs. Claus: "Eat, Santa eat!"

Or from My Big Fat Greek Wedding:
Maria Portokalos: Ian, are you hungry?
Ian Miller: Uh no, I already ate.
Maria Portokalos: Okay, I make you something.

Edit:

You seem to be afraid of saturated fat, which is only normal, considering the message that the media has been blaring for 40+ years. My counsel would be to educate yourself further into the truth of the matter. Some things for you to consider:

Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease http://www.ajcn.org/content/91/3/535.short "A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD."

Chris Masterjohn on cholesterol: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/

Dr. Eades review of Dr Malcom Kendrick's book "The Great Chlesterol Con" http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/statins/646/

Anthony Colpo has a book by the same title

Gary Taubes "Good Calories, Bad Calories" pretty much destroys the diet-heart hypothesis (that eating saturated fat or cholesterol has any association with heart disease)

"Fat and Cholesterol are Good for You" by Uffe Ravskonov

And from Tom Naughton, some no-bologna facts: http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/no-bologna-facts/

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:43 PM

If you are working out that much, some denser carbohydrates would be neutral or helpful to you. Consider starting at about a ~1/2lb sweet potato per day. If that makes you feel good generally, and weight loss slows a bit, consider branching out into other ones: yams, cassava, etc.

At 6ft tall, you are likely reaching or have reached "an ideal weight."

Many people here wish they had your problems. :-) Great job, and good luck!

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on April 12, 2012
at 02:24 PM

I agree with Dave on this one, you want to eat more fat. Remember that when you are working out in any variety you need fuel. In a paleo diet fuel comes from fat not carbs, so through in some eggs, oils and ribeye (which helps on the protein)

I would also look into your workouts. It's OK if you work out a lot but keep the workouts short (30 -45 min) I would tell you to consider HIIT training. High intensity in a short amount of time. This will trigger your muscles faster than lifting or a longer period. Max out your weights.

If you tighten up those workouts, and eat more fat you should be good to go. I also recommend that you eat a gram of protein for every pound of body weight to see muscle gain. I use a protein called Carnivore, which is made from beef isolate, not only does it work really well and have a solid amino acid balance sheet, it is the best tasting supplement out there. (chocolate)

Keep in mind that when it comes to making a change all you need to do is usually change something simple. This will help you start to gain the muscle back. I don't want to sound like an advertisement but if you are looking to really start to make muscle gains I would invest in something like P90X and supplement that with your HIIT workout regime. You will see some good gains from that.

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on April 12, 2012
at 03:24 PM

I'll double the recommendation for sticking to something like Starting Strength. Maxing out your big, compound movements (squat, deadlift, bench (and I also do weighted chins)) really builds you up as fast as your body will go (so long as you're eating and recovering well enough).

531b053b68e92ac509fc1544f88dc103

(1205)

on April 12, 2012
at 03:04 PM

That's good to hear, foreveryyoung. Thank you. The only way I've ever kept my LDL and HDL in good ratio is my keeping my total cholesterol down because my HDL never climbs above the 30s. When I saw 126 LDL the other week I freaked out. I'm glad it's only temporary. Did this happen to you as well or someone you know?

531b053b68e92ac509fc1544f88dc103

(1205)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:42 PM

I'm will start adding half a sweet potato a day to my regimen and lift heavier weights in shorter burts as you're all suggesting. The big concern I have though about adding more fats, is that my LDL cholesterol has gone from the 70's to the 120s-130s in recent weeks. What if I added more salmon to get more fat so that I don't eat too many saturated fats or omega 6s? I don't want to push my LDL any higher. My HDL is still down around the low 30s.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Also, HDL should be higher. Are you sure you aren't mixing up LDL with HDLs?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:58 PM

Congrats on your weight loss, man. That is awesome! Elevated LDL will likely go down once you stop losing weight. Both rapid weight loss and anorexia nervosa frequently result in elevated LDL which will recede once eating and bodyweight are stabilized. So, once you stop losing by introducing some more calories, you're LDLs wil, drop. I wouldn't worry your head over it.

15e5f57b981183b21fff26ce815bf93f

(444)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:47 PM

If you want to build muscle do Starting Strength and stay away from anything resembling P90X. If well tolerated drink plenty of milk.

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on April 12, 2012
at 02:09 PM

"I work out 3-4 days a week lifting weights and while I haven't lost any strength, it doesn't look like I've gained any muscle either during the past 3 months"

You might be over training. It would help if you posted your exact workouts.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on April 12, 2012
at 03:13 PM

Yeah, I can barely recover with 2 sessions per week. Maybe I'm just too old!

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on April 12, 2012
at 03:12 PM

And yikes, HDL that low isn't great. I have read that avocado has been shown to improve HDL/LDL ratio in human test subjects, although I cannot remember where exactly. As far as I know monounsaturated fatty acids are the best for improving cholesterol ratios (olive oil, mixed nuts, avocado, etc). Your diet is good though, lean meats, healthy fats, lots of veggies, some nuts, and fruits and starch depending on where your weight loss is at and your activity levels.

Congratulations again on your success. Love that thing about the doctor. I get stuff like that too, like last time I went for a physical my doctor told me to relax my abs, and I wasn't flexing. Keep up the good work bro. Add in a little carbs and/or fat. Personally, I'd add in some carbs only around workouts, and see how that goes. You could start with 120g sweet potato pre workout and 1 serving of fruit post workout. Or vice versa. You're likely getting a good balance of fats as is- lots of monos and just enough omega 3 and 6. The monos are great because they are more readily burned for energy than saturated, and so are omega 3 and 6. So they are better for staying lean and fit and not regaining any of that weight you lost. These studies show it:

http://www.ergo-log.com/bodyburnsunsaturatedfat.html

http://www.ergo-log.com/monounsaturatedfatboostsepoc.html

http://www.ergo-log.com/fatlossfats.html

http://www.ergo-log.com/oliveoilinsteadofbutter.html

There are more but those are just to prove a point.

531b053b68e92ac509fc1544f88dc103

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on April 12, 2012
at 03:31 PM

Well who knows, the HDL could still come up over time. It's only been three months eating paleo anyways. I know that high LDL suppresses HDL because HDL is being kept busy removing the LDL. I hope that once my weight stabilizes, that my HDL/LDL will get better. At least my blood pressure has reversed it's destructive path. Thanks for those links, I'll read through them all tonight. Last year, I tried "vegan bodybuilding" for 6 months. That was a disaster! I went up to 187 pounds, my triglycerides shot up close to 300, and my blood pressure went up to the 150s/90s. All I gained was fat!

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on April 12, 2012
at 02:04 PM

Eat more if you are loosing weight. You can eat more starch and/or more fat. Play with it. If you notice your self going tje wrong way for a few Weeks adjust and re access.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on April 12, 2012
at 03:16 PM

Skipper, we need to re access for a few Weeks adjust! No, we went tje wrong way! Let loose the weight! (Okay, maybe it's only funny to me...)

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A72f969e98fb82fbaae341d29230b881

(195)

on April 12, 2012
at 03:53 PM

Congratulations on getting to this point. My story is somewhat similar to yours, although I have a heavier frame than you. I was 32, 6'1" and 230 lbs and almost magically lost 30+ pounds over on low-carb paleo. I was injured, so I wasn't working out at all.
After that, I decided I wanted to get serious with strength training. I was messed around in the gym multiple times in my life without much results previously. I purchased the book "Starting Strength" by Mark Rippetoe. It is low rep barbell training for beginners. As long as you commit to it (3 1 hour or so workouts per week doing the program as well as eating enough), you should build an impressive amount of strength in 6-9 months, with the weight going up nearly every workout. What program are you currently doing? A few things I have noticed: Low carb paleo is great for losing weight. It is not great for maintaining energy during heavy workouts. Your muscles needs the glycogen manufactured from carbohydrates (or protein turned into glucose in the event of eating low carb) to fuel lifting heavy weights. For workout days, I add in a decent amount of starchy carbs and some fruit. You will need a lot of protein to grow muscles, since you are a beginner and have a lot of room to grow. Try for 1 gram per pound of bodyweight. Adding in additional fat to your diet is useful for helping you bulk up if you still aren't progressing. Basically, as other have said, eat more. Just be generally conscientious of what you are consuming and adjust as necessary. I went down to 195 from 230 and then put on about 12 pounds of muscle in the last 9 months. I am finally getting the hang of dialing in the amount of food to feed my workouts without putting on fat.

531b053b68e92ac509fc1544f88dc103

(1205)

on April 12, 2012
at 04:10 PM

Excellent recommendations. Enough of you have mentioned "Starting Strength" so I'm going to research that and buy the book you're mentioning. When everyone keeps saying "eat more fat, eat more fat", it still scares me. So what if I do as foreveryoung recommends and aim for more monounsaturated and omega 3 fats? When I hear "eat more fats", I instantly think of the damaging effects of excessive saturated fats from bacon, butter, and fatty beef. If I consume more macadamia nuts (high in monos) and lots and lots of wild salmon (omega 3s), then that should count as "more fats", right?

A72f969e98fb82fbaae341d29230b881

(195)

on April 12, 2012
at 05:14 PM

As long as you are willing to learn the 5 basic compound movements (squat, deadlift, bench press, overhead press and power clean) and you can find a gym that has barbells and squat cage/power racks, the program is easy to follow and, since it is so simple, you are easily able to quantify your results. As far as saturated fat, I believe it isn't a problem when included in a well rounded, whole foods diet. Most of the meat I eat is from grass-fed cattle and my blood lipids are at very "safe" levels. But you could eat other natural fats as well, if you are concerned.

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