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Weight loss on paleo better with nuts or fruits removed?

Asked on November 04, 2014
Created February 17, 2013 at 2:47 PM

I am an athlete (basketball player) currently on the paleo diet. I am looking to lean out, but feel as if I will not get enough energy if I take both fruits and nuts out of my diet. Which of the two if taken out would yield better results for weight loss?

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on August 24, 2013
at 03:50 AM

When you mix it with greek yogurt and whipped cream? Of course you're going to gain with that! that's some seriously calorie-dense food...

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on August 24, 2013
at 03:40 AM

Very nice comeback, Rachel.

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on August 24, 2013
at 12:29 AM

That has nothing to do with magic. Some people just eat more when they include fruit. I also tended to gain weight when I ate fruit. It's not that a banana magically made me gain weight. It's that fruit is very palatable, especially when you mix it with greek yogurt and whipped cream, so you eat more. And if your blood sugar gets out of whack, you will eat something again and hour later.

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on August 23, 2013
at 10:25 PM

BS on the statement that anyone good enough to make a team doesn't need to lean out. Even many NFL players have to lean out after gaining weight in the off season.

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on August 23, 2013
at 08:48 PM

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on February 19, 2013
at 10:51 AM

Fruit is fine even when cutting. You didn't lose 12 pounds of fat in a week. You probably lose 2 pounds of fat, 10 pounds water.

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on February 19, 2013
at 10:03 AM

Actually, your comment could not be further from the truth. There are plenty of athletes at any level who play well for their size but could benefit from a leaner body. I am a starter on a highly competitive D1 team who is constantly looking to improve her game. My position is that of quickness and agility and I'm looking to improve the mobility aspect of my game. Also, playing 35+ minutes a game with extra weight is tougher on joints and your legs, so leaning out this offseason is a goal... But thanks for your anorexia comment anyways, buddy.

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on February 19, 2013
at 02:48 AM

Well I am a 43 y.o. male and lost about 4-5 inches off of my waist and became noticeably leaner (my wife says that even my knees and hands look leaner), yet I didn't lose any weight. I am not sure what your explanation is for this? It seems clear that I lost fat. The fat weighs something so I gained something else to offset that. Water? Dirt? Hair? You tell me.

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on February 18, 2013
at 02:11 AM

i see this idea a lot among low carbers, so i'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but the idea that fat loss and muscle gain would be roughly equivalent by weight has got to be one rare phenomenon amongst people. even modest fat loss of 10 lbs, and that's quite modest, is a weight that would be extremely difficult to add in muscle, unless you were a 17 year guy new to training. adding muscle is slow and difficult, losing fat is comparably rapid and easy. i'm totally confused why this idea persists...

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on February 17, 2013
at 09:58 PM

saying "lol, another anorexic" is a really hurtful comment to anyone suffering from an eating disorder

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on February 17, 2013
at 05:22 PM

Lol, another anorexic. Or same anorexic, new name. Any girl who's an "athlete" - good enough to make her high school or university team - is already lithe and does not need to "lean out".

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on February 17, 2013
at 04:38 PM

Lol, another anorexic. Or new name, same anorexic. Any girl who's an "athlete" - good enough to make her high school or university team - is already lithe and does not need to "lean out".

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Ee6932fe54ad68039a8d5f7a8caa0468

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on February 17, 2013
at 04:06 PM

nuts are far more calorie dense than fruit. take the nuts out, keep the fruit. it's VLC mythos that fruit will magically prevent fat loss. energy balance will always rule, even if people are too stupid to believe it.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on August 24, 2013
at 03:50 AM

When you mix it with greek yogurt and whipped cream? Of course you're going to gain with that! that's some seriously calorie-dense food...

0f44d81f247518d6fc2de0403ff9a68a

on August 24, 2013
at 12:29 AM

That has nothing to do with magic. Some people just eat more when they include fruit. I also tended to gain weight when I ate fruit. It's not that a banana magically made me gain weight. It's that fruit is very palatable, especially when you mix it with greek yogurt and whipped cream, so you eat more. And if your blood sugar gets out of whack, you will eat something again and hour later.

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Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on August 24, 2013
at 03:47 AM

If you're an athlete, fruit is a great solution and packed with micronutrients and things like fiber, potassium and vitamin C. I'm also an athlete of sorts (although a slightly old one) and I am totally unsuccessful leaning out if I include nuts in my diet - in fact I almost always gain with them - but I have absolutely no problem with fruit.

It's just too easy to pack in huge quantities of calories with nuts - 200 calories of nuts is barely a handful whereas it's two of any kind of fruit - apples, bananas, grapefruit - which just seems like a lot more food and thus more satisfying (to me, anyway).

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on February 17, 2013
at 10:04 PM

I vote on limiting nuts. I eat fruit, meat and vegetables and have had zero issues losing weight. I do eat nuts some but very little. The way I eat works really well for me as I love foods that just feel 'cleaner' in my body and digesting. I exercise and usually avoid things like potatoes and rice, I use fruit instead.

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on August 26, 2013
at 02:37 PM

I would take out nuts. I don't even consider them very paleo since they have similar toxins and anti-nutrients as grains.

As an athlete, fruits are a good source of carbs post-workout, when your muscles need nutrients and proteins to repair. Keeping or building muscles will raise your metabolism and will help you get lean.

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0f44d81f247518d6fc2de0403ff9a68a

on August 24, 2013
at 12:35 AM

Where is the harm in just testing both?

Cut out nuts and wait 2 months; see how you do. Then include nuts, but cut out fruit; wait 2 months and see what happens. Then cut out both and try that.

I don't really think it matters that much. The more important question is how much of them do you eat? And then there's also the question: What else do you eat?

I don't think that cutting out nuts and/or fruit will necessarily change your weight a lot. You could also experiment with different macro-nutrient ratios (lower carb, higher fat; or higher carb, lower fat).

And I would add some short high-intensity exercise (like sprints or high-intensity weight training). That's not just good for leaning out, it's also good for your performance.

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on August 23, 2013
at 08:40 PM

Take out the fruit, and cut back on the nuts. Fruit hinders weight/fat loss regardless of the type of diet.

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on August 23, 2013
at 08:48 PM

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D916a0f55db32cab0a4f54549fcdb8a7

on February 19, 2013
at 10:55 AM

nuts decrease iron absorption even more than wheat bread. This is ironic because a lot of people on the Paleo diet ??? who go to great lengths to avoid food toxins ??? are chowing down nut like they???re going out of style.

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9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

on February 17, 2013
at 04:13 PM

Leaning out and losing weight aren't necessarily the same thing, it sounds like you want to lose body fat, which might result in your weight remaining roughly the same or even going up a little if you add muscle.

I think the best way is to limit carbs and do brief, high-intensity workouts 3-5 times per week. That is probably different than your basketball which is more cardio.

Fruit is carbs and while it has some good nutrients, a lot of people find it easier to lose fat when limiting sugars (fructose), and you can get a lot of the same nutrients from vegetables. Nuts are easy to overeat and have ok nutrition but some anti-nutrients.

If you are playing a lot of basketball you might feel like you need a lot of carbs to keep up your energy, and that might be in contrast to your goals to lean out. I used to run 12-14 miles per week, and when I stopped doing that and switched to intense strength-based workouts, I immediately lost about 20 pounds and several inches off of my waist. The running was, in a sense, keeping me fat.

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on February 19, 2013
at 02:48 AM

Well I am a 43 y.o. male and lost about 4-5 inches off of my waist and became noticeably leaner (my wife says that even my knees and hands look leaner), yet I didn't lose any weight. I am not sure what your explanation is for this? It seems clear that I lost fat. The fat weighs something so I gained something else to offset that. Water? Dirt? Hair? You tell me.

Ee6932fe54ad68039a8d5f7a8caa0468

(2668)

on February 18, 2013
at 02:11 AM

i see this idea a lot among low carbers, so i'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but the idea that fat loss and muscle gain would be roughly equivalent by weight has got to be one rare phenomenon amongst people. even modest fat loss of 10 lbs, and that's quite modest, is a weight that would be extremely difficult to add in muscle, unless you were a 17 year guy new to training. adding muscle is slow and difficult, losing fat is comparably rapid and easy. i'm totally confused why this idea persists...

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on August 23, 2013
at 09:54 PM

Absolutely not. As an athlete you need the Paleo Diet for Athletes:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Paleo-Diet-Athletes-Nutritional/dp/160961917X

Like someone else said anyone good enough to make an athletic team with tryouts does not need to lose weight.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 23, 2013
at 10:25 PM

BS on the statement that anyone good enough to make a team doesn't need to lean out. Even many NFL players have to lean out after gaining weight in the off season.

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on February 19, 2013
at 03:13 PM

I also vote for cutting out the fruit. Elevated blood sugar -> insulin release -> fat storage. Lift weights and try to keep your blood sugar stable. You'll do a lot of sprinting in practice, so I'd say low and slow with the weights, as you don't need more HIIT. Something like kettlebell swings would work well. Make sure you're getting a ton of sleep.

I know I'm going to get shit for this but as long as you tolerate them, consider using beans and lentils (properly prepared, e.g. soaking or if eating out a can, rinse first) as a carb source. You also might consider the 30 grams of protein within 30 minutes of waking. I find this gives me a good amount of energy as opposed to some of the other touted methods for leaning out.

Last thing, measure inches and if possible BF%, not weight. You might lean out but weigh more, due to replacing fat with muscle, and scales can be misleading in this regard.

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on February 17, 2013
at 03:26 PM

I would take the fruits out first, and make sure that you eat portion controlled amounts of nuts. its very easy to over eat them!

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on February 19, 2013
at 10:51 AM

Fruit is fine even when cutting. You didn't lose 12 pounds of fat in a week. You probably lose 2 pounds of fat, 10 pounds water.

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