These two blog posts are what spiked my interest:
Taking into account these two different opinions, does anyone have any personal experiences with dairy stalling or effecting weight-loss in any way? Has anyone compared specifically the effect of milk and yogurt vs. cream and butter? Personally I can't tell just yet. I've recently added cream-top yogurt to my diet as a morning meal to replace berries to experiment with sucrose vs. lactose for weight-loss. And there are some interesting studies that claim the calcium in dairy can aid weight-loss (when studied the group that consumed high dairy excreted 10 pounds more fat in their faeces per year vs. the control) But here it's being suggested that dairy fat (perhaps even ghee if it is related to the type of fatty acid) might have an effect on insulin, which is interesting if it's true.
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on July 30, 2010
at 02:10 AM
I doubt that adding butter to your food is of concern. There is more to a successful weight loss than calorie counting.
Full fat cream and butter has not stalled my progress in the gym and I'm leaner than I have ever been. If you tolerate dairy and give it a small role in your diet (not a staple food), I think you will be just fine. You will have to experiment and see for yourself.
on July 30, 2010
at 04:21 AM
Low carb ice cream is definitely a staller for me and also tends to stimulate cravings for more of itself. Cheese and butter are definitely NOT stallers for me. No probs with them. Heavy cream might be, not sure yet. I mostly use cream in sauces so it's not a thing were I consume it all the time. Seems that any diary that has been worked on by live cultures is fine for me. PLus butter seems fine as well. I am suspicious of things that create cravings for more of the same every day. I can drink a coconut milk smoothie with fruit tonight and enjoy it, but not really crave it tomorrow. But if I did the same with low carb icecream and fruit, then the next day, I would crave more. There is a definite difference in how my body reacts to one vs the other. The one that makes for cravings also makes for stalled weight loss. One the flip side, doesn't seem it actually adds too much weight either, must makes me stay the same instead of lose. Might be some individual variation on this one.
I have heard some say that excessive nut intake is also a staller for some and another one is cheese. For me, it seems anything I can eat twice in a row but then run out and have no special urge on the 3rd day to go to the store and buy more, is a safe thing for me to eat.
on May 06, 2012
at 04:28 AM
Butter, cream and full fat milk is very good for you, and can assist in weight loss. You need fats to help with food digestion and non of this 'skim' nonsense! Full fat is the only way to go. Get the book Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon or 'A Forefold Path to Healing', it is explained very well in there... I have lost 5 kilos by adding butter, cream, coconut oil and full cream milk back into my diet. You just need to make sure you are not wrecking your progress by adding preservatives, hydrogenated oils, flavours, colours and other chemicals. Going organic will also help. Good luck.
on September 01, 2010
at 11:05 PM
ETA:. I still eat butter, HWC, and ghee, and as long as I don't eat too much of it, I haven't noticed these causing problems.
I make my own mascarpone using heavy cream and fresh lemon juice. It tastes better than store-bought and costs much less, and also make yoghurt with HWC and added unsweetened, gelatin granules.
Some may not be able to tolerate anything but butter or clarified butter. There is good info on food intolerances here:
Peter Dobromylskyj at Hyperlipid explains a great deal about the use of high fat dairy.
Dr. Kurt Harris, as well, explains much at Panu:
Hope this helps a bit.
on July 30, 2010
at 09:57 AM
I don't think I would say that dairy fat raises insulin based on that study, considering they ate about 30g of pasta per m^2 of body area (~45-50g for normal people), a slice of bread + a cup of skim yogurt..
That said, when I first went paleo (VLC dairy-paleo), I ate A LOT of butter and cream and I did gain a bit of body fat (lost some ab definition).
I've since backed down and am only using the stuff reasonably, i.e. just enough butter for sauteing and not randomly drinking cream just for the sake of eating fat. I've since started to lean out again, while keeping the same background diet, sans fat fortification, and more carbs post-workout. (which occasionally includes milk and yogurt) Mind you, I've also upped my activity level significantly, so I'm probably not the best example.
I think as long as you don't go crazy gobbling down sticks of butter and chugging pints of cream, while eating a reasonable amount of food, you should be fine. Give the dairy a shot. If you stall, eliminate it and see if it makes a difference.
As for that calcium study, fat excretion through faeces doesn't really tell you much about the actual change in fat mass, does it..