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Very Overweight, trying paleo but not seeing any weight loss

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created March 03, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Hi everyone,

I'm a 30 year old female and started off at around 340lbs. I've been on Paleo for one month now, very strict. No fruit, no soda, no chemicals, low carb (approx 30-40g a day), I'm eating meat at every meal and getting fat from animal fat, Coconut Oil, butter, ghee, and olive oil. Most of this comes from the cooking process. I feel good. I am getting 8-9 hours of sleep a night, I have more energy during the day and I'm not hungry all the time anymore. I'm just getting frustrated with the lack of progress on the scale (or in my measurements/photos). I lost 5-6 lbs the first week (water weight) but nothing since. I will lose 3 pounds one day and then gain 5 the next. I've been hovering around the same range for 3 weeks. I'm committed to a lifestyle change and can stick through this if it is a plateau etc., but as I'm still just getting started, if I'm doing something wrong or something, I'd like to get some suggestions/directions so that I can start to see some results. As for exercise, I have a job that is 90% sedentary. I have a broken foot right now, so it is hard to do a lot of exercise or even walking.

Any help you can provide would be appreciated. I can provide additional information if you need more detail.

Af3e3615beba642bcafd0f21d64d74f7

on April 05, 2012
at 08:47 AM

yes... however most do not measure correctly, or use the right tools to do so. Leptin reset FTW

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on April 04, 2012
at 04:22 PM

She noted that her measurements haven't changed.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on April 04, 2012
at 04:21 PM

How is one supposed to be low carb AND low fat? Eat nothing but chicken breasts?

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on April 04, 2012
at 04:20 PM

It doesn't make any sense to say "Paleo isn't about losing weight," when every luminary in the paleo world--Devany, Sisson, Cordain, Wolff, et al--tout it as such. Just look at the covers of their books. "Lose Weight!" is on the cover of pretty much every one. Disingenuous at best.

2fd93e91bb14e641a2bac9c6033e84e2

(1614)

on April 04, 2012
at 01:40 AM

Women see more weight fluctuation than men too, due to our cycling... so GET OFF the scale! I know it's hard, but if you have to, once every 10 days is better than daily. Once a month would be even better.

9beda76f4e91faedc8fa70ecdc01251e

(298)

on March 07, 2012
at 03:08 PM

If you feel good, are sleeping well, and are not hungry all the time anymore, SOMETHING good is happening, so hang in there!

D3f3b91d1dd9ce60865654faeb2ec809

on March 06, 2012
at 08:34 PM

No chemicals? Water is a chemical. Dihydrogen monoxide, you know.

Df856e9f744f69f22b70ec29fcb0e0e1

(10)

on March 05, 2012
at 02:30 AM

for easy tracking of trend weight try www.physicsdiet.com if you enter your weight everyday etc they start creating a trend so overtime, regardless of little fluctuations you can see your weight going down. It adjusts for the time of day you enter it too etc giving you your 'average "real" weight.

A6030d0f1568dbdd8ae6c47328420692

(70)

on March 04, 2012
at 07:41 PM

Here is a link to a list of high calcium foods: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/calcium-rich-foods-list-of-high-calcium-foods.html I suggest taking any supplements, especially Iron & Calcium the opposite time of day you take your synthroid because they are problematic with levothyroxine(Synthroid). Taking calcium at the same time as levothyroxine can have a significant impact on thyroid hormone levels. According to the Marin Medical Society, the administration of levothyroxine with calcium can reduce hormone levels by 40 percent. This causes a decreased oral bioavailability.

A6030d0f1568dbdd8ae6c47328420692

(70)

on March 04, 2012
at 06:47 PM

As far as the cruciferous veggies...they are not BAD, in fact they're good. It is all about timing! As I stated above you want to avoid these foods 2 hour before and 2 hours after taking the synthroid. As far as the Armour, I haven't do any research on food interactions...YET :) Getting the list together now ladies! Thanks for your patience

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on March 04, 2012
at 05:17 PM

@Anitra - I do take Synthroid. I knew about the calcium - I actually take my Synthroid at bedtime because of this. @AnnaA and @BeefWalker - from what I have read cruciferous veggies are acceptable as long as they are cooked.

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on March 04, 2012
at 11:52 AM

@Spuggy - I'm glad to see you posting answers and seeing progress!

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

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on March 04, 2012
at 11:38 AM

Korion, you weren't wrong. But the problem is, fat people are less active because they are fat. When you are sick, physical motivation is **painful**. Just like the old "I overeat because I'm depressed, and I'm depressed because I'm overweight.", it's just another catch-22 that lays the physical and mental foundations for obesity.

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on March 04, 2012
at 10:33 AM

After reading this I hate my younger self that said "fat people are lazy"!

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on March 04, 2012
at 06:41 AM

Good answer. Its not as simple as calories in/calories out. Insulin sensitivity is key, especially if you're heavier.

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(209)

on March 04, 2012
at 03:27 AM

AnnaA, Cruciferous vegetables are BAD?? How so? Are you talking Paleo, or thyroid here? Almost all the vegetable content of my diet comes from broccoli, cauliflower, kale (when I can find it in Sydney) and Bok Choy. If I can't eat these things, I'd starve!

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on March 04, 2012
at 03:25 AM

I do have to wonder if eating large amounts of protein in one go and IFing with so much weight to lose and probably already having a metabolic disorder is a good thing? Might cause a broken body to go into starvation mode ( I know mind did and its has made losing the weight very hard ) I would break protein up into 5 or 6 portions in the day. I know this is not Paleo but TD is not a healthy paleo - and I think in situations like this the paleo rules are not always the best. I am not saying dont try -just if not working it could be that the large amt of protein at one time is evoking insulin.

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(3651)

on March 04, 2012
at 02:40 AM

This answer is really good.

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(5914)

on March 04, 2012
at 12:15 AM

"You have tried high fat low carb, try low fat high carb, with only paleo foods..." Also, you could try moderate carb and fat. It's not one or the other. +1 for calories do matter.

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(457)

on March 03, 2012
at 08:55 PM

I 100% agree with this. If you know that one day your 3lbs down but the other your 5lbs up then you have become addicted to the scale and desperately need to back off.

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on March 03, 2012
at 07:13 PM

Caroline, yep it is! I take Armour too.

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

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on March 03, 2012
at 05:50 PM

I have hit a platueau myself and and getting back to logging for a few weeks to see if I can get this moving..I think I am eating too many nuts and diary (butter, yougurt) to keep me out of losing...

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on March 03, 2012
at 05:49 PM

I couldnt get though this book. her writing style was horrible in my opinion and filled with regurgitated fluff sentence after sentence... .I only made it through aobut 50 pages. TD I suggest you come back to paleo hacks as often as possible. read other blogs, possibly up your protein. log your food for a while to be sure you are getting the proper balance and I love someones suggestion about the tight jeans...try them on every few weeks...nothing like feeling you old tight clothes skimming over your legs with room to breathe to keep one motivated...best of luck...

B23318c968ac589b87131d5b489d6e16

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on March 03, 2012
at 05:22 PM

Nice answer Nance!

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on March 03, 2012
at 04:44 PM

True for Armour as well?

A6030d0f1568dbdd8ae6c47328420692

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:38 PM

I can tell quick off the top of my head: No Walnuts or Dairy products or foods high in calcuim 2 hours before or 2 after taking synthroid. You are not to take Calcium supplements (including multivitamins with calcium) 4 hours before or 4 hours after taking sythroid.... will get the rest up later!

A6030d0f1568dbdd8ae6c47328420692

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:32 PM

Sure thing! I will sort through my notes and post the list in a few hours, I have Paleo Challenge checkin to caoch in an hour, but I will get them up today!

F44b15b2fd1ad134200793d6b474fc4c

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:23 PM

I'd love to see the list too as I take thyroid meds. Thanks!

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:20 PM

@Anitra, can you send me that list also. I have been on Synthroid since 1981 and am having a terrible time losing. Current dosage is 112mcg. Thank you so much.

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:10 PM

I know soy is bad and also cruciferous vegetables, but not sure what else.

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:08 PM

I second that!!! Sounds like she is consuming too much fat as well.

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:04 PM

It would be helpful to post them here, or start a new question to post them.

E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:02 PM

Bone mass is not a function of dairy consumption. That's another CW myth.

A6030d0f1568dbdd8ae6c47328420692

(70)

on March 03, 2012
at 02:50 PM

My client has Hashimoto's. Are you taking synthroid? If so, I can shoot you over an list and save you the time since have already done the research

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on March 03, 2012
at 02:44 PM

As someone with Hashimoto's, I'm wondering...what foods inhibit the ability to absorb thyroid meds? Want to make sure I'm not eating them!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 03, 2012
at 02:27 PM

She is 30 years old.

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on March 03, 2012
at 02:21 PM

Lowing carbs is the way to get hormones and weight loss back on track, assuming no health issues, which we don't know because we don't have blood tests. I have read people say things like go the other way first, but that is a big no no for the insulin resistant (high insulin and trigs). I have to ask, have you been through this yourself? My calorie requirements are still 80% of normal, or less, due to past weight.

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246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21430)

on March 03, 2012
at 03:44 PM

Hi TD, As a man that was once as heavy as 430lbs, but now much lighter, I can tell you that Paleo works.

There are a few things I would suggest, and this last time around I've incorporated them into my own plan with some great success.

First - Log your intake through fitday, cronometer.com, or PaleoTracker. This allows you to see "Oh, I weigh X pounds more today, and day before yesterday I ate Y". It also helps you keep your calories in check. I find it useful as well when I get any sort of gastric upset, I can look back and see exactly what triggered it. By this same token I strongly suggest you keep your carbs low initially, under 10% or so of your daily intake... as you progress you can try a little more carbs.

Second - Be aware of binge impulses, and avoid even the "Paleo" foods that you eat that trigger binges (for example, I no longer eat nuts besides as an occasional salad topping, and I rarely eat Plantains anymore). If you are anything like I am, starches might trigger you to overeat. Anyone can eat a pound of potatoes in one sitting, but it takes a bit more to eat that much pot roast.

Third - Get outside and get plenty of sunlight. Your body needs to repair itself, and it sounds like you are well on your way given the improved sleep and other things. The extra vitamin D from sunlight will improve your mood which will help your quality of life, and it plays a bigger part than most people understand.

Four - I understand that you have a broken foot, but this works out well for the purpose of exercise. Too many people see a stall and then add insult to injury by being excessive in their play and gym. I suggest you clear off some space in your floor, work on flexibility and maybe some yoga. Take it small, 20min at a time, and gradually improve your mobility and flexibility. As your foot heals, you will be able to get outside and get some real playtime in, taking advantage of this newfound flexibility. As far as the sedentary job goes, try and make sure you are getting a standing-break every hour or so, just to stand and stretch. I am a IT engineer, so I might spend 12 hours a day sitting at a desk. I do my best to get up on a regular basis, even with my headset on (conference call hell), and stretch my legs. I also sit on an exercise ball at work, but I don't suggest this until your foot is healed.

Good luck! It's a hard journey, and it's not as short as say, surgery, but it does work. With these little "hacks" I feel you will be well on your way.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 04, 2012
at 10:33 AM

After reading this I hate my younger self that said "fat people are lazy"!

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21430)

on March 04, 2012
at 11:38 AM

Korion, you weren't wrong. But the problem is, fat people are less active because they are fat. When you are sick, physical motivation is **painful**. Just like the old "I overeat because I'm depressed, and I'm depressed because I'm overweight.", it's just another catch-22 that lays the physical and mental foundations for obesity.

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464e1c66609d402615ae2b3cf72d53fb

(1472)

on March 03, 2012
at 03:10 PM

My number one recommendation is to QUIT weighting all the damn time. Once a month is plenty at first. I'm down to 215 from 324. It will work if you quit watching the scales like a crazy person. Let it go!

F80aaa96354eb749a8a5efdda3feba7d

(457)

on March 03, 2012
at 08:55 PM

I 100% agree with this. If you know that one day your 3lbs down but the other your 5lbs up then you have become addicted to the scale and desperately need to back off.

2fd93e91bb14e641a2bac9c6033e84e2

(1614)

on April 04, 2012
at 01:40 AM

Women see more weight fluctuation than men too, due to our cycling... so GET OFF the scale! I know it's hard, but if you have to, once every 10 days is better than daily. Once a month would be even better.

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9b47142b8ed1074a94b5654410740530

on March 04, 2012
at 02:36 AM

Paleo isn't about losing weight. It's about healing your broken body. If you weigh 300+, it means to me that you've been overweight for a while. Which also means that you're body is in poor health and malnourished. It's going to take a while for your body to heal, and for a while it's going to hold on to all of that good food that you give to it. So just try to be patient with it.

A few other things you can look at is the quality and type of paleo food you are eating. Where is your protein coming from? Your best source of healthy protein is either fatty fish or grass-fed beef. Believe it or not, grass-fed beef is much better than chicken. If you're having trouble losing, it can mean that your omega3/omega6 is out of balance. Grass-fed beef has a very good ratio, while chicken (skin and fat mainly) is way out of balance on the omega6 side. Also, try sticking with just coconut oil for a while and see if that helps.

Another tip. If you eat a gargantuan breakfast (something like 4 eggs cooked in CO along with a pound of grass-fed beef), it's likely that you won't be hungry for lunch until later in the day. Eat your veggies at this time, along with more CO and protein. The fat should sustain you into the evening. Then for dinner just have something small. Like maybe a blueberry smoothie made with berries and almond or coconut milk and a shot of liquid stevia.

Heavy food in the morning, very light in the evening. If you're thinking about nothing but eating at night, go to bed early. And while you're in bed think about the great breakfast you're going to have in the morning.

You're really doing a fantastic job, and you shouldn't let that damned scale dictate your mood for you. Ignore the lack of weight loss and enjoy the new found freedom of being able to eat until you're full.

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on March 04, 2012
at 03:25 AM

I do have to wonder if eating large amounts of protein in one go and IFing with so much weight to lose and probably already having a metabolic disorder is a good thing? Might cause a broken body to go into starvation mode ( I know mind did and its has made losing the weight very hard ) I would break protein up into 5 or 6 portions in the day. I know this is not Paleo but TD is not a healthy paleo - and I think in situations like this the paleo rules are not always the best. I am not saying dont try -just if not working it could be that the large amt of protein at one time is evoking insulin.

E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

(3651)

on March 04, 2012
at 02:40 AM

This answer is really good.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on April 04, 2012
at 04:20 PM

It doesn't make any sense to say "Paleo isn't about losing weight," when every luminary in the paleo world--Devany, Sisson, Cordain, Wolff, et al--tout it as such. Just look at the covers of their books. "Lose Weight!" is on the cover of pretty much every one. Disingenuous at best.

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on March 03, 2012
at 02:22 PM

Welcome to the world of being an outlier. Anyway there is no single prescription for paleo. You could be high carb low fat or low carb high fat. or anywhere in between.

Now the important point is to experiment.

And calories do matter.

Try out different ways of eating that are sustainable, and still result in reduced consumption without effort. Maybe fat is very rewarding for you, and maybe potatoes will not be so rewarding. You have tried high fat low carb, try low fat high carb, with only paleo foods, including potatoes, squash and other starchy vegetables.

Try to find what makes you an outlier. Any hormonal problems, in particular Thyroid, Cortisol. Or maybe the problem of being post menopausal.

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(5914)

on March 04, 2012
at 12:15 AM

"You have tried high fat low carb, try low fat high carb, with only paleo foods..." Also, you could try moderate carb and fat. It's not one or the other. +1 for calories do matter.

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on March 04, 2012
at 03:24 AM

The posts in this thread so far have given you a lot of good recommendations of things to try. Let me first say that I lost no weight on paleo for the first few months. I've only gone from 285 to 265 in a year and still have a paunch. So believe me, I understand your frustration. But some things you can do to perhaps help you out:

  • Try The Quilt's Leptin Reset Protocol. You're doing most of it already, but the big change to make is to eat within 30 minutes of waking, at least 50g of animal protein. Only eat when you're hungry, don't snack between meals, and give yourself 4 hours minimum between meals (5 hours or more is preferable).
  • More Quiltiness: optimize your circadian rhythm by turning off bright overhead lights and dimming your monitor at night. Put yourself under bright full spectrum lights in the morning, especially in the fall and winter when there is less natural light. Also read up on his latest work on cold adaptation.
  • People are telling you to not eat so much, or less fat or whatnot. I have a counterproposal: listen to your body, which will almost certainly signal for you to eat less once you have built up a store of EFAs/EAAs and micronutrients. Don't force yourself to eat the same amount as now if you start becoming less hungry.
  • Fasting. I do intermittent fasting, which means I go at least 18 hours without eating 3x per week -- I really try to do 20-22 hours. The research suggests that 18 hours is the bare minimum necessary to see a benefit. Some people here on PH are also trying alternate-day fasting, where a whole day of fasting sits between late-day fasting and early-morning fasting on adjacent days (up to 48 hours). This is not going to kick down your metabolism; it takes a minimum of 60 hours of caloric restriction before your metabolism lowers. Try the leptin reset before you start a fasting regimen.
  • Build muscle. Lean mass is one of the keys to fat loss. You're at a good age for getting benefits from lifting. While your foot is injured, maybe start with the upper body. Curls, bench presses, pulldowns, crunches, etc.
  • You said no chemicals. Are you using stevia at all? I'd drop anything that tastes sweet, whether natural or lab-created, as it was the first thing that helped me start losing. If you do drink tea or coffee, drink it black. If you don't, you can try starting it to see if it gives you a boost to the metabolism.

Fd627132a760e414f2afbf378c8afd9b

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on March 04, 2012
at 06:41 AM

Good answer. Its not as simple as calories in/calories out. Insulin sensitivity is key, especially if you're heavier.

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on March 03, 2012
at 05:31 PM

You have gotten a lot of answers so far, so sorry to repeat anything...

But first let me say YOUR ARE AMAZING! For taking the first step, for trying something different. Hang in there.

It will take your body time (maybe many months) to adjust and get on track. Your hormones and metabolism are shifting.

I also think your fat/oil intake does not sound excessive, especially if you are just using it for cooking and feeling well after you eat. The danger of decreasing your fat to much is that you wont feel satiated, so you over eat or fall of completely.

There is some disagrement about protein, what makes the most sense to me is to eat the amount of protein that your IDEAL body weight would require, since the extra fat we carry does not need protein, only our muscles do.

And definitely don't weigh daily, that will make you crazy. Your weight can change by a pound depending on if you weigh before or after going to the bathroom, or drinking a big glass of water, or skipping a meal. So daily weigh ins are not reliable. Go by how your clothes feel. Find a tight pair of pants, try them on every few weeks to see how they feel.

If nothing else, I am guessing that your Paleo diet is much better then the diet you were eating (that is the case with me!) so you are headed in the right direction even if you do make some tweaks here and there in the future.

You can do it!

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on March 03, 2012
at 04:22 PM

I strongly recommend you read Primal Body Primal Mind by Nora Gedgaudes. I do not agree with others about too much fat. I think it is more likely that you are eating too much protein and that it is being converted to glucose. You may benefit from monitoring both your protein and Darb intake more carefully and bringing both levels down a bit further depending upon what you find out after monitoring. Hang in there. Sometimes when the metabolism is very screwed up it takes some fine tuning.

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on March 03, 2012
at 05:49 PM

I couldnt get though this book. her writing style was horrible in my opinion and filled with regurgitated fluff sentence after sentence... .I only made it through aobut 50 pages. TD I suggest you come back to paleo hacks as often as possible. read other blogs, possibly up your protein. log your food for a while to be sure you are getting the proper balance and I love someones suggestion about the tight jeans...try them on every few weeks...nothing like feeling you old tight clothes skimming over your legs with room to breathe to keep one motivated...best of luck...

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on March 03, 2012
at 05:50 PM

I have hit a platueau myself and and getting back to logging for a few weeks to see if I can get this moving..I think I am eating too many nuts and diary (butter, yougurt) to keep me out of losing...

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on March 03, 2012
at 02:06 PM

You don't mention your age. I found that in my 50s and also being very sedentary that I required far less calories than I thought. I was over your weight when I started and was barely losing 2 lbs a week on a 1200-1400 calorie diet.

I'd experiment with cutting back on the fat. My approach is to eat healthy fats for their nutrients (e.g., pastured egg yolks, liver) and go pretty sparingly on the added fats as long as I want my body to use up its stores. I'd also use FitDay or SparkPeople or NutritionData and actually see how much you're eating.

And I would cut out the weighing every day. Or if you're going to do that, you need to plot it and do a rolling average so you stop paying so much attention to water weight swings.

Re exercise, I have had major back issues so walking was hard for me too. I was able to find a pool and started doing water walking (aka aqua jogging). If the thought of wearing a bathing suit in public is frightening, Junonia sells rash guards and swim shorts for plus sized women. They are pricey, but well made. I love mine!

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on March 03, 2012
at 02:27 PM

She is 30 years old.

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on March 05, 2012
at 02:30 AM

for easy tracking of trend weight try www.physicsdiet.com if you enter your weight everyday etc they start creating a trend so overtime, regardless of little fluctuations you can see your weight going down. It adjusts for the time of day you enter it too etc giving you your 'average "real" weight.

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A6030d0f1568dbdd8ae6c47328420692

on March 03, 2012
at 02:24 PM

I am just throwing this out there, Are you taking any medications?

I recently started coaching a woman who had been eating a strict paleo diet for months. She felt great but wasn't seeing the typical body composition changes you normally see when going strict paleo. She was taking multiple medications, I cross referenced the foods she was eating with her meds and it turned out she was eating foods that inhibited her body's ability to absorb her thyroid meds. I tweaked her food intake accordingly and the following week she lost 3.5 lbs and is having continued success. (A good reason to keep food logs, they are very helpful in troubleshooting dietary issues and triggers)

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:23 PM

I'd love to see the list too as I take thyroid meds. Thanks!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:10 PM

I know soy is bad and also cruciferous vegetables, but not sure what else.

A6030d0f1568dbdd8ae6c47328420692

(70)

on March 03, 2012
at 03:38 PM

I can tell quick off the top of my head: No Walnuts or Dairy products or foods high in calcuim 2 hours before or 2 after taking synthroid. You are not to take Calcium supplements (including multivitamins with calcium) 4 hours before or 4 hours after taking sythroid.... will get the rest up later!

A6030d0f1568dbdd8ae6c47328420692

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:32 PM

Sure thing! I will sort through my notes and post the list in a few hours, I have Paleo Challenge checkin to caoch in an hour, but I will get them up today!

58c33847c5b7ecbf6572075df2cdd002

(866)

on March 04, 2012
at 05:17 PM

@Anitra - I do take Synthroid. I knew about the calcium - I actually take my Synthroid at bedtime because of this. @AnnaA and @BeefWalker - from what I have read cruciferous veggies are acceptable as long as they are cooked.

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(7275)

on March 03, 2012
at 03:04 PM

It would be helpful to post them here, or start a new question to post them.

58c33847c5b7ecbf6572075df2cdd002

(866)

on March 03, 2012
at 02:44 PM

As someone with Hashimoto's, I'm wondering...what foods inhibit the ability to absorb thyroid meds? Want to make sure I'm not eating them!

A6030d0f1568dbdd8ae6c47328420692

(70)

on March 03, 2012
at 02:50 PM

My client has Hashimoto's. Are you taking synthroid? If so, I can shoot you over an list and save you the time since have already done the research

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(100)

on March 03, 2012
at 04:44 PM

True for Armour as well?

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(1617)

on March 03, 2012
at 07:13 PM

Caroline, yep it is! I take Armour too.

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(100)

on March 03, 2012
at 03:20 PM

@Anitra, can you send me that list also. I have been on Synthroid since 1981 and am having a terrible time losing. Current dosage is 112mcg. Thank you so much.

A6030d0f1568dbdd8ae6c47328420692

(70)

on March 04, 2012
at 07:41 PM

Here is a link to a list of high calcium foods: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/calcium-rich-foods-list-of-high-calcium-foods.html I suggest taking any supplements, especially Iron & Calcium the opposite time of day you take your synthroid because they are problematic with levothyroxine(Synthroid). Taking calcium at the same time as levothyroxine can have a significant impact on thyroid hormone levels. According to the Marin Medical Society, the administration of levothyroxine with calcium can reduce hormone levels by 40 percent. This causes a decreased oral bioavailability.

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(209)

on March 04, 2012
at 03:27 AM

AnnaA, Cruciferous vegetables are BAD?? How so? Are you talking Paleo, or thyroid here? Almost all the vegetable content of my diet comes from broccoli, cauliflower, kale (when I can find it in Sydney) and Bok Choy. If I can't eat these things, I'd starve!

A6030d0f1568dbdd8ae6c47328420692

(70)

on March 04, 2012
at 06:47 PM

As far as the cruciferous veggies...they are not BAD, in fact they're good. It is all about timing! As I stated above you want to avoid these foods 2 hour before and 2 hours after taking the synthroid. As far as the Armour, I haven't do any research on food interactions...YET :) Getting the list together now ladies! Thanks for your patience

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 03, 2012
at 01:51 PM

Just a thought- maybe you are eating too much fat? If you can get into ketosis, which you should from the amount of carbs you are eating, your body will end up using some of your own fat instead of fat you have just eaten.

With you getting lots of good sleep you are ahead of a lot of people. Once your foot is healed, walk as much as possible before and after work.

And the scale will make you crazy- try to only weigh yourself once a week or even for a month like Whole 30 recommends.

Are you drinking lots of water? Sometimes that gets things going.

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(15515)

on March 03, 2012
at 03:08 PM

I second that!!! Sounds like she is consuming too much fat as well.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on April 04, 2012
at 04:21 PM

How is one supposed to be low carb AND low fat? Eat nothing but chicken breasts?

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 03, 2012
at 05:40 PM

As a man who was 450lbs and has lost 150 on various sorts of Paleo it does work. My experience, looking back at my log, was that I lost 0 lbs for 4 months last year but lost 5 inches of belly. I was doing some lifting at that point (before I hurt my shoulder playing frisbee!) and the sad truth is that most obese people (myself included) are starving under all the fat and have serious muscle wasting. If you up your protein and have started getting your body together you might very well be adding a lot of structural support muscle. I gained back an inch of height (not that I needed it) during that 3-4 months.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 03, 2012
at 03:58 PM

Hi, TD! Good sleep is a sign you have some good things going on.

I agree that once your foot allows it you should walk as much as possible; that's good for both overall health and back trouble. I also agree that if you're taking any meds they could be part of your problem. They're chemicals, just like the food additives we're all trying to avoid, so even if they're needed they can have side effects and weight gain is a common one. You might check with your doctor to see if a dosage or med change is possible.

I don't use a scale and frankly I don't think we need one at all. I can tell you that t-shirts and pants that were too tight to wear last April hang loosely now. Last night, I zipped a demin jacket that had about a 4 inch gap last spring and I could flap all the extra cloth. So it can and will happen if you hang in there.

If you like to track your progress, why not use a tape measure? On the first of every month I measure my waist and hips so I know I lost abotu 6" off my waist since November. I actually measure 2 days in a row when I first get up and average the 2.

As others have mentioned, it's all about energy balance. There may be some guys who can eat vast quantities of meat/fat and lose but I doubt there are many women who can. And let's face it we didn't become 50 or more pounds overweight because we are picky eaters. I plan my meals very carefully, starting with a piece of fruit and a large leafy salad so my stomach can feel nice and full. Then I have some cooked vegetables and 4-6 oz of meat. I don't avoid fat--I butter my vegetables, use olive oil on my salad and eat any fat that comes with the meat--but I don't drown in it either. I also vary the meats so it's not always the same thing; one day I'll have beef but the next time fish. I eat little poultry or pork.

My best strategy of all is fasting. You may not be ready for that yet and that's okay. But my best way to break through any hint of weight loss plateau is a fast. Sometimes it's just eating one meal per day which means you go 20 hours or so between meals. As I'm nearly a year in and very well adapted to fasting I also use ADF (alternate day fasting) going 40 hours or more without solid foods. I then eat a nice large meal on the eating day and feel wonderful.

Keep experimenting and about every 2 or 3 weeks feel free to try different rotations of foods, different meal times and different portion sizes. Try to monitor and even write down what you eat and how you react so you can watch for deficiencies and excesses while you learn to find your best balance of foods.

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(1294)

on March 03, 2012
at 05:22 PM

Nice answer Nance!

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:40 PM

true, fat doesnt make you fat, however an excess WILL still be stored. paleo is not a prescription to gorge on fat.

so technically, if you overeat on fat(as with anything), it will inevitably make you fatter.

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B02b5a250b8c7dc6e4ca8ef09f2d9022

(60)

on March 07, 2012
at 02:35 PM

WOW! I am truly overwhelmed with the response to my question and all of the helpful suggestions! I can't believe how supportive and helpful this community is! I'll try to answer some of your questions:

I'm going to start adjusting (more carbs, less fat or vice versa) until I hit upon the right combination for my body. I've stopped weighing everyday because it was making me a little nuts, so I've decided to limit it to once a week. I have not been eating fruit, dairy and nuts as well in case I forgot to mention that earlier. My only real sources of fat are those that are contained in meat (beef and chicken mainly) as well as oils used for cooking (coconut oil mainly). I can try the intermittent fasting, as it is very doable with my work schedule that I can go until at least 6 pm without eating. I've been making it a priority to eat breakfast and lunch, but I can also fast until dinner if that helps. As for muscle, while I have an extreme amount of fat (obviously) I also have a decent muscle mass...I was a collegiate athlete and, while the last 7+ years have not been good for me weight-wise, I can still lift a lot of weight. The only medication I take is Ibuprofen...I'm on about 2400mg a day for my foot. Otherwise, I don't take any meds. My blood pressure is apparently perfect according to my doctor. I'm sure that will change soon if I do not get my weight under control so I'm committed to changing my lifestyle and I'm hoping that Paleo is something that will work for me.

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on March 06, 2012
at 07:46 PM

Increasing your muscle mass will make your body burn calories more efficiently. Try doing some basic upper body weight lifting with low weight dumbbells. You can do these while sitting in a chair or on the floor and not applying any pressure to your foot. Here is a good link to show you how to do exercises correct: http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/

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99aca1e07394135ea1e040582ce54b4d

on March 04, 2012
at 10:07 AM

Weight loss has been very slow for me too - I started at about 194lbs and in 4 months have only lost 7lbs. However....my body composition has changed quite a lot so I look as if I have lost way more weight than that.

When I got fed up with plateau-ing, I cut back on the fruit, cut right back on nuts (a few macadamias only if I was caught hungry on the run) and increased my fat intake. And surprise, surprise, I started to drop the lbs again...although only a few lbs and then I seem to have plateaued again.

I think there's definitely something to be said for being patient - I yo-yo dieted for years so reckon my body is pretty 'broken' and will take a while to correct itself. I'm also perimenopausal so my hormones are all over the place, which doesn't help at all.

For me, I think it's important to just relax - I feel better than I have in a long time, and I figure I'll get there in time. I reckon it's pretty vital to enjoy the journey. I don't track calories or macronutrients as it makes me feel as if I'm dieting and for me, paleo is not what this is about at all.

We're all different - calorie counting and macronutrient tracking works for some, very low carb, lower fat or lower protein for others. Enjoy it, experiment a bit - and find out what works for YOU.

Good luck x

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(21430)

on March 04, 2012
at 11:52 AM

@Spuggy - I'm glad to see you posting answers and seeing progress!

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:51 PM

I have been on Paleo for about 7 months now and have lost 58lbs. I find for myself, I have to eat no wheat or starches (no bread, crackers, spaghetti, potatoes or rice and such). If I do slip and have any of that, I gain 2-3 lbs, swell up and it takes a day or two to get back on track. I am still eating the fat as usual and losing but the key seems to be staying away from anything carb (non vegetable/fruit source) or starch. I think that is why weight watchers and LA weight loss never worked for me.

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:31 PM

I think you probably shocked your body in the carb department and it is trying to hang on to all calories you put in there. I think a more gradual decrease of carb consumption is helpful. Also, eating FAT doesn't MAKE YOU FAT! To the person who wrote that above I have read numerous Paleo articles touting this information. Eat fat to maintain satiety, eat good carbs and have a sweet potato or some brown rice at first, then slowly back these things down. Make sure you are getting enough protein and steering clear of all artificial sweeteners...I know for me...this can throw everything off. Your body is probably in some shock and needs some time to get in the groove. Best of luck and stay positive. The right mindset is worth a million bucks!

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Df1d612269479718668e88c618c2a255

(75)

on April 04, 2012
at 05:15 AM

I am in the same boat as you (same weight), slow progress. Everyone has given you great advice. One thing Rob Wolff said that stuck with me is that when you are our size and been out of shape and eating poorly for so long, it takes a lot longer to get your body back to metabolizing and utilizing healthy food the way it's supposed to so the weight starts coming off. He said it's like moving a barge. Progress is slow, but it's happening and eventually you get there. :)

Another way to look at it is like a dried houseplant. When you finally give it the water it needs, the water usually just sinks right through the soil and leaks out the bottom. But once it gets used to being watered, it starts to absorb more of it and it flourishes. Our bodies are learning to absorb right now.

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on March 06, 2012
at 08:16 PM

I have to chime in, I'm a woman well over 40, had significant weight to lose. Paleo was clearly better - but didn't equate to weight loss for me. I think there is a significant difference between men/woman as well as severe obesity, vs 30 lbds over weight after being athletic in youth. Those small-fatties tend to think their way works, when it just doesn't work for all. A strong paleo diet will help get your mind right and your body a healin.

1) Start reading the Quilt, jackkruse.com

2) Work on making the good dietary changes a permanent part of your life.

3) Figure out a way to get your move on. You do NOT have to Jillian Michaels it, just move a bit everyday. Even if you are hobbling around the workplace every hour - it will snowball. Soon your body will WANT to move.

4) jackkruse.com

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286a4ff7c362241c5c4b020df4972212

on March 03, 2012
at 10:26 PM

I too took a long time to lose weight. I am now up to nearly 2 years on paleo and just have 9kg to go. I think I am an exception to the rule but after a year of not great results I went to see a naturopath - low fat ketosis diet with plenty of vita d and b , good solid sleep and some help with estrogen I am getting there. I would never of thought I was sleeping bad but I was. It is as simple as the nights I get great sleep I lose about 400 gms when I dont I lose nada!

So in short if you are struggling after a few months go get help its not always just about the diet.

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5f20e69b9609d29fea926e95bfbddd35

(237)

on March 03, 2012
at 03:45 PM

If your weight is shifting up and down that much, it sounds like you're having some water balance issues. Have you tried taking some salt? It usually helps me...

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58c33847c5b7ecbf6572075df2cdd002

on March 03, 2012
at 02:48 PM

Are you on any medications? I couldn't lose weight no matter how hard I tried. I knew I was insulin resistant and asked several different doctors to let me try metformin. I kept going until I found one who would listen to me (I have worked in the medical field for many years, but it was hard to find a doc who would actually listen to what I was telling them).

Anyway, I started taking metformin and that made a big difference. I still have to work hard, but when I do I see results.

Also, are you eating enough protein? I read recently that inadequate protein is actually what triggers the starvation response. When we eat enough protein, our bodies assume that hunting is good and there is no need to store fat. When we don't eat enough protein, our bodies assume we are bad hunters. The reference I was reading stated you should eat at least 1g of protein for every pound of lean muscle mass you have. I'm 5'6" and about 221lbs and currently about 40% body fat (yuck!) which means I should eat at least 132g of protein per day - not that easy to do!

Best of luck to you!

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45ace03a0eff1219943d746cfb1c4197

(3661)

on March 03, 2012
at 02:20 PM

Hi there,

You didn't mention what types of vegetables you're eating, so if you're not already eating lots of leafy greens, that might be a good start. Watery vegetables with your meals seem really helpful. You mention that you're following a strict Paleo program. Does that mean no processed food at all? Yucky ingredients are often hidden in what looks like clean food, as you likely know.

I'm sure you know, too, that muscle weighs more than fat, so it's also possible your body composition is changing.

Good luck, pamela

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E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

(3651)

on March 03, 2012
at 01:55 PM

TD. You made a good choice, stick with it.

I was over 300 too, and was 198 this morning (m, 51). With that much weight, it's going to mess up hormones. You may, or may not see things sort out soon, but I wouldnt count on it.

Without detailed blood tests, everything is guessing at this point. Paleo is going to be your best guess, so hang in there.

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Af3e3615beba642bcafd0f21d64d74f7

on April 04, 2012
at 09:08 AM

"Good weight" will replace "bad weight", such as bone density, muscle mass. Weight is irrelevant, measurement is essential. Also, with the suggestions above.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on April 04, 2012
at 04:22 PM

She noted that her measurements haven't changed.

Af3e3615beba642bcafd0f21d64d74f7

on April 05, 2012
at 08:47 AM

yes... however most do not measure correctly, or use the right tools to do so. Leptin reset FTW

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C5c2912a5bfc95f28d6a89ac29e04283

on April 04, 2012
at 01:34 AM

Hey...okay there are too many things to read in these responses.

Just something to encourage you with. I'm 30yo, about 156 pounds. I've been eating paleo / primal for about 5 weeks now. i haven't seen MUCH weight loss...for one...i don't weigh myself. That's cos I don't have a weighing machine anyway!

HOWEVER, I feel more alive and more energetic than ever. I can do heavy lifts first thing in the morning without having anything to eat. Maybe a cup of coffee with some milk. Previously, even a cup of coffee with milk would leave me lightheaded the moment I start any activity.

I was actually expecting weight loss 2 weeks into the programme. However, I didn't. Felt a little down but then realised that different people adapt differently to the change in eating habits. I eat HUGE amounts of veggies. With the lunch I bring to school everyday, my classmates usually gawk at the bag of lettuce in my lunchbox..together with the meat I have.

Personally I try to consume 200 to 250g of meat in each meal...together with a heap of veggies. like...filling my whole plate type. (plate size = bigger than face). LOL.

5 weeks in and my clothes feel looser, my friends have commented on me looking like i've lost weight. Honestly I don't know. I just know I look leaner. And this is all with having cheat meals like ICE CREAM and FRIED CHICKEN...Once a week. I was never into eating sweet stuff but oh boy did that ice cream tasted so good.

I work out about 3 times a week...crossfit style in the gym. I'm usually done in an hour. And I do walk to school and back (sometimes). each trip takes me around 30 minutes.

I dont' sleep enough although I've found that i do need at least 6 hours of sleep a night.

Anwyways, cut the long story short, KEEP GOING!!!!!!!!

oh. and the water. I drink at least 3 litres a day. of water.

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Ddb51a33b296f29918d3c50fcaf58359

on March 06, 2012
at 02:10 PM

I agree with Spuggygirl that you may need to consider lowering your protein rather than your fat, or perhaps your calorie intake and I agree with others that meds need to be assessed. In addition, physical activity can make a difference to some although others feel it feeds appetite. Tracking calories in total may be necessary and weighing and measuring. I am a slow loser too and because I am short, it is sometimes a challenge for me when I don't track things carefully.

Try to look at eating Paleo as a progression. Rome wasn't built in a day. You didn't get overweight in a day and it is going to take some tweaking to make it work for you. The biggest thing to focus on is the benefits of a healthier diet. It may take your body time to adapt. Hang in there.

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Dc832937a2553ef83f28ccd010f1d9be

on March 03, 2012
at 02:55 PM

I am experiencing the same thing so I appreciate your post. I do eat dairy and have removing some of that but not all since about to enter menopause and don't want to lose bone mass. I have noticed major good hormonal shifts and I'm hoping that my body is just adjusting. Can you get a stationary bike for your living room? Try mat Pilates? You aren't alOne.

E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

(3651)

on March 03, 2012
at 03:02 PM

Bone mass is not a function of dairy consumption. That's another CW myth.

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on March 03, 2012
at 02:13 PM

Water intake is super key. Without enough water, your metabolism slows to a crawl. It's like the oil in an engine. Also, count your calories. Make sure not to go too low either. Your body will go into starvation mode if you are doing like 1200-1500 at your weight. Try like 2000-2500 per day. And I know it's blasphemy to suggest, but maybe up your carb intake and lower your fat intake a bit. Try for 100g or so of carbs per day. Get your weight loss and hormones on track first, before doing ketosis. Just some suggestions. Hope this helps!

E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

(3651)

on March 03, 2012
at 02:21 PM

Lowing carbs is the way to get hormones and weight loss back on track, assuming no health issues, which we don't know because we don't have blood tests. I have read people say things like go the other way first, but that is a big no no for the insulin resistant (high insulin and trigs). I have to ask, have you been through this yourself? My calorie requirements are still 80% of normal, or less, due to past weight.

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