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The Weight of the Nation or a big fat lie????

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Created May 31, 2012 at 6:32 PM

I am watching The Weight of the Nation... I am watching part 2 but they have all 4 parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLv0Vsegmoo&feature=relmfu

Am I crazy or are they lying to the nation again about nutrition?

I would love to hear your opinions because... I don't know what to think.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on June 01, 2012
at 03:30 PM

@ Korion - agree on the nutrient deficiencies part.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on June 01, 2012
at 02:39 PM

They did address some differences in metabolism. The section about the 20% energy requirements difference between an "exact same person" in one version who lost weight to achieve current state, and the other who spent their entire adult life that way was really fascinating.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on June 01, 2012
at 02:24 PM

Having watched the series, it explicitly **does** talk about both people blaming themselves, and parents blaming themselves regarding their children. Parents did talk about feeling helpless against the onslaught of commercials and whatnot, which may be what you were alluding to.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on June 01, 2012
at 02:20 PM

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on June 01, 2012
at 02:17 PM

(Not saying calories doen't matter at *all,* but they sure ain't the whole story, folks.)

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on June 01, 2012
at 02:17 PM

Thank you. Human beings are NOT bomb calorimeters, and anyone who thinks it's 100% a simple numbers game and nothing else does not understand human biochemistry and the different hormonal effects of fat vs. protein vs. carbs.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on June 01, 2012
at 02:14 PM

"I never cried about how I couldn't lose weight because I have tried 'everything.'" Well lucky you! *I* certainly have! I spent *YEARS* eating low-fat, low calorie, lots of "healthy whole grains" and fat-free carbohydrates, and spending 2+ hours a day at the gym. And you know where it got me? Around 158 lbs/size16 at 5'2". What am I now that I eat plenty of animal fat and protein? (And lots of fresh veggies, too.) 133-136/size 6-8. I have spent MORE than my share of time crying my eyes out because surely there was something wrong with *ME* and not the incorrect paradigm I was following.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on June 01, 2012
at 08:44 AM

Management talk = when you say stuff that sounds cool, true, simple, ... but really doesn't get you anywhere. Good to sell ideas, not good to make things work. Ben, I get it, energy in energy out. Only thing is, this doesn't address metabolic rate, cravings, nutrient deficiencies, ... So just telling obese people "energy in energy out" won't get them very far.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on June 01, 2012
at 06:32 AM

THANK YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH FOR THIS ARTICLE!!! I LOVED IT!!!! Finally, a word of sanity in this insane world! Thanks again!

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on June 01, 2012
at 05:45 AM

Same old same old. Big Fat Lie.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on June 01, 2012
at 03:17 AM

I just wanted to hug every one of them and tell them about the Paleo diet.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on June 01, 2012
at 03:17 AM

Thank you. Because I kind of thought may be it was me who was crazy.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on June 01, 2012
at 03:15 AM

@ Ben - I was gluten intolerant, but did not know it at the time (I did not know the symptoms) and I was told to eat whole wheat. A registered dietitian who should have warned me or at least investigate it. That's how I ended up so sick and still struggling.

F31d10b54b31428e189d9b771bf7b1d1

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on June 01, 2012
at 12:13 AM

Try to keep in mind that paradigm shifting is only the the brave and the philosophically mature and insightful. Even TED.com will show no video that violates the dominant paradigm.

F31d10b54b31428e189d9b771bf7b1d1

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on June 01, 2012
at 12:11 AM

Technically, the word "lying" can mean unintentional or ignorant untruth telling. So, yes, they are lying in the sense that they eat that unhealthy grain centered diet to. They don't want to keep the best cuts of beef for themselves. They actually believe that tomfoolery.

956bcad1d462d433a4e1e22f6e3355d5

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:18 PM

Until last month I regularly ate junk food just to feel happy because of having nobody to talk to at the moments I needed or to help bust my stress just by being with me and having fun. So yeah, such food relations are pretty crazy.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:15 PM

Ashley, I wish I could claim that it will get better. It's still a DAILY fight with my 8-year-old.

6b4909a79a5f70bd9e3d141be8e659de

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:12 PM

Nutrition needs to evolve. Most obese children are that way because of food/lack of exercise. There is nothing healthy about happy meals, but a lot of parents feed that and other things as equally unhealthy to their child. Most people know that processed foods aren't good for them but they choose to eat it anyway. Most parents nowadays will do anything to keep their kids quiet. I struggle daily to get my 3 year old to eat vegetables. I could easily give up and give him the junk he desires, but I don't. A lot of parents give in to their children.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:07 PM

Korion, why does management talk mean? If you don't want to gain body fat you'd better expend more energy than you take in, unless you have a hormonal stimulus to gain lean mass (like through resistance training). That's the plain truth. People simply take in too much energy for their lifestyle demands.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:05 PM

VB, so you think your doctor's recommendation to eat whole grains is what got you unhealthy? I think it's prolly something else.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:02 PM

Sage, how do obese children become obese if not from grossly over feeding?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:01 PM

Of course you can Out run a donut.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on May 31, 2012
at 10:31 PM

Sage, junk food is more than Ho-Hos and Dingdongs. I now consider PB&J on whole wheat bread to be junk food.

43dc6da5605c3f306100b41bbfffabc4

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on May 31, 2012
at 09:59 PM

The definition of junk food really needs to evolve.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 31, 2012
at 09:24 PM

Korion - you want to know the bitter truth? That's what a lot of women think. When guys dump them or... do not want them - they buy ice-cream or a gingerbread man - because you can always chew his head off. And food will never say, "I am not ready for relationship right now!"

3b38bcc91dbfc6a114f4bdce544103d3

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on May 31, 2012
at 09:23 PM

I agree not every obese child go that way from junk food, its a combination of things. Food is only partly to blame, lack of exercise, food intolerances and other things can be part of the problem too. When my grandchildren come to my house and eat, they eat like they haven't had a decent meal in ages and they get lots of exercise here. My grandson LOVES meat, he's 4 and can't seem to get enough of it when he's here. He eats the veggies too, but wants seconds on the meats. If we have a snack its nuts, veggies or a piece of fruit, not the junk most kids are fed. At home its junk food and TV.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 31, 2012
at 08:41 PM

Part 2 : the lady crying while talking about her "relation with food". *"food can be..... my boyfriend at the moment....."* Can't believe she did that on TV.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 31, 2012
at 08:40 PM

My mother tried to feed me as well as she could, she even forced me to eat whole grain bread and if I wanted a treat I had to eat it behind everyones back, but I ended up very sick from all the bread. First year of university I ate whatever I wanted (lots of redbull, potatoes, cheap meat, coke, ...), stopped eating bread and I improved a lot (until I started bingeing on pizzas). As health is so difficult to control, I don't think it's anyones fault, but rather general ignorance that is to blame.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on May 31, 2012
at 08:35 PM

not every obese child got that way eating junk food.

1407bd6152d9fdbc239250385159fea1

on May 31, 2012
at 08:06 PM

Completely valid criticism. Out of curiosity, how did you get such insight on some of the asian countries? I have friends from other parts of the world, but I'm distinctly lacking in Japanese/Korean contacts.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:52 PM

I disagree (respectfully) with #1. My registered dietitian told me about eating whole grains and look where it got me. I think as a nation, with all that education, we are not educated enough to follow the simple logic. People have only one goal: to cash in. I think this is the root of all evil. Everybody is into that for one purpose and one purpose only: to make money. In Japan if you are overweight, some companies start charging you. In China you are expected to do morning exercises with everybody else. In Korea if you gain 1 pound EVERYBODY tells you that you are getting fat.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:47 PM

They do judge all fat people. The sad part - the stigma stays even when they lost all the weight :(

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:46 PM

@Korion - which part? 2,3, or 4?

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:09 PM

Holy Crap This "I am the hamster... this is my wheel, there are many others like it, but this one is mine."

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:03 PM

27:30 was just crazy by the way.

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1407bd6152d9fdbc239250385159fea1

on May 31, 2012
at 07:04 PM

It's a valiant effort as far as attempts by the long-standing convention go, but destined to fail nonetheless. I was happy to see the kids succeeding in their effort to bring more local foods to their school, but that was about the extent of my moment of triumph. There was abundance of things I took issue with in the documentary, but here are a few of my takeaways from the film:

  1. We are living in a "blame society" where, come one, come all, we've got someone you can shift responsibility over to. Yes, the health advice given by the powers that be is poor, but people need to take responsibility for themselves and stop asking to be coddled.

  2. Everyone is still far too focused on fruits and vegetables. I mean, I have nothing against them, but for goodness sake, let's get everyone eating some quality animal products.

  3. The goal of existing, should you desire to be thin and healthy, should be to burn calories. Really? Who wants to go through life with that mantra: "I am the hamster... this is my wheel, there are many others like it, but this one is mine."

  4. 'Experts' are idiots. Seriously, when did critical thinking go completely out the window? And on a side note, Robert Lustig counts as one of these 'experts' who doesn't know what he's talking about. His explanation of fructose biochemistry is an atrocious mess.

  5. We're screwed unless something changes. Michelle Obama is not our savior.

1407bd6152d9fdbc239250385159fea1

on May 31, 2012
at 08:06 PM

Completely valid criticism. Out of curiosity, how did you get such insight on some of the asian countries? I have friends from other parts of the world, but I'm distinctly lacking in Japanese/Korean contacts.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 31, 2012
at 07:52 PM

I disagree (respectfully) with #1. My registered dietitian told me about eating whole grains and look where it got me. I think as a nation, with all that education, we are not educated enough to follow the simple logic. People have only one goal: to cash in. I think this is the root of all evil. Everybody is into that for one purpose and one purpose only: to make money. In Japan if you are overweight, some companies start charging you. In China you are expected to do morning exercises with everybody else. In Korea if you gain 1 pound EVERYBODY tells you that you are getting fat.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 01, 2012
at 03:15 AM

@ Ben - I was gluten intolerant, but did not know it at the time (I did not know the symptoms) and I was told to eat whole wheat. A registered dietitian who should have warned me or at least investigate it. That's how I ended up so sick and still struggling.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 31, 2012
at 11:05 PM

VB, so you think your doctor's recommendation to eat whole grains is what got you unhealthy? I think it's prolly something else.

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21430)

on May 31, 2012
at 07:09 PM

Holy Crap This "I am the hamster... this is my wheel, there are many others like it, but this one is mine."

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6b4909a79a5f70bd9e3d141be8e659de

on May 31, 2012
at 07:55 PM

I watched all four of them and what annoyed me the most is that they were trying to blame obesity on everything but the person. One part was about obesity rates and children. Not one person said the parents were to blame. They blamed it all on tv and advertisements. Sorry, but tv is not to blame for having overweight children. The parents are the ones that control what the child eats, so they are to blame. My kids see advertisements for junk food all the time. They always say "I want that", but I tell them they can't have it because it's bad for them. People are to blame for the majority of cases of obesity. I have been obese, but I never cried about how I couldn't lose weight because I have tried "everything". Some of the people they interviewed acted like they wanted people to feel sorry for them. I don't. How many of them have changed their lifestyle? Probably none. I also agree that the show gave poor nutrition advice. It's not about counting calories. Who wants to do that for the rest f their life? Pain in the butt and unnecessary. Paleo has helped me lose a lot of weight and keep it off. I also don't have to worry about how many calories I have consumed. I eat when I'm hungry. Thanks to this documentary and a few others, I will be pursuing a degree in nutrition to become a licensed dietician so I can help people that really want to change their life and be healthy. Oh and they failed to address that some of those same medical problems that the obese people have can happen in thin people too. Sorry it's so long, but I have a lot to say about this documentary.

6b4909a79a5f70bd9e3d141be8e659de

(314)

on May 31, 2012
at 11:12 PM

Nutrition needs to evolve. Most obese children are that way because of food/lack of exercise. There is nothing healthy about happy meals, but a lot of parents feed that and other things as equally unhealthy to their child. Most people know that processed foods aren't good for them but they choose to eat it anyway. Most parents nowadays will do anything to keep their kids quiet. I struggle daily to get my 3 year old to eat vegetables. I could easily give up and give him the junk he desires, but I don't. A lot of parents give in to their children.

3b38bcc91dbfc6a114f4bdce544103d3

(409)

on May 31, 2012
at 09:23 PM

I agree not every obese child go that way from junk food, its a combination of things. Food is only partly to blame, lack of exercise, food intolerances and other things can be part of the problem too. When my grandchildren come to my house and eat, they eat like they haven't had a decent meal in ages and they get lots of exercise here. My grandson LOVES meat, he's 4 and can't seem to get enough of it when he's here. He eats the veggies too, but wants seconds on the meats. If we have a snack its nuts, veggies or a piece of fruit, not the junk most kids are fed. At home its junk food and TV.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on May 31, 2012
at 11:15 PM

Ashley, I wish I could claim that it will get better. It's still a DAILY fight with my 8-year-old.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 31, 2012
at 08:35 PM

not every obese child got that way eating junk food.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 31, 2012
at 11:02 PM

Sage, how do obese children become obese if not from grossly over feeding?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 31, 2012
at 08:40 PM

My mother tried to feed me as well as she could, she even forced me to eat whole grain bread and if I wanted a treat I had to eat it behind everyones back, but I ended up very sick from all the bread. First year of university I ate whatever I wanted (lots of redbull, potatoes, cheap meat, coke, ...), stopped eating bread and I improved a lot (until I started bingeing on pizzas). As health is so difficult to control, I don't think it's anyones fault, but rather general ignorance that is to blame.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on May 31, 2012
at 10:31 PM

Sage, junk food is more than Ho-Hos and Dingdongs. I now consider PB&J on whole wheat bread to be junk food.

43dc6da5605c3f306100b41bbfffabc4

(420)

on May 31, 2012
at 09:59 PM

The definition of junk food really needs to evolve.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on June 01, 2012
at 02:14 PM

"I never cried about how I couldn't lose weight because I have tried 'everything.'" Well lucky you! *I* certainly have! I spent *YEARS* eating low-fat, low calorie, lots of "healthy whole grains" and fat-free carbohydrates, and spending 2+ hours a day at the gym. And you know where it got me? Around 158 lbs/size16 at 5'2". What am I now that I eat plenty of animal fat and protein? (And lots of fresh veggies, too.) 133-136/size 6-8. I have spent MORE than my share of time crying my eyes out because surely there was something wrong with *ME* and not the incorrect paradigm I was following.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on June 01, 2012
at 02:24 PM

Having watched the series, it explicitly **does** talk about both people blaming themselves, and parents blaming themselves regarding their children. Parents did talk about feeling helpless against the onslaught of commercials and whatnot, which may be what you were alluding to.

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43dc6da5605c3f306100b41bbfffabc4

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:46 PM

I couldn't agree more that people need to be responsible for what they put into their bodies. There is not a human alive, stupid or otherwise, that thinks fast food is health food.

I sympathize with the masses because there is so much bad information out there. Vast majority of people believe that you require 6-8 servings of "healthy whole grains" to be healthy. Given what I know about the glycemic index, whole wheat has a higher index than white flour, which still has a higher index than table sugar.

If we know that carbohydrates fuel insulin production which fuels fat storage, doesn't it stand to reason if you eliminate the carbs, you improve the insulin response, and lose weight?

People are overwhelmed with information, and have no idea which end is up. Until the medical community and government agencies can collectively agree, this problem will not go away.

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E2db1519690001648433e8109eb2c013

on May 31, 2012
at 10:43 PM

It does not seem to be so much lying as skimming. At SOME level, calories are calories. The documentaries never address why appetite and metabolism can go so off kilter as to produce the vast obesity shown in all the establishing shots.

Lustig, Taubes and co. may speak further than the data justifies, but they DO speak about these matters. This country did not explode into obesity in the last 30 years because of a epidemic of low will-power, nor will opening nice parks solve the inactivity problem. Even the most 'paleo' eating pattern won't undo a 100% sedentary lifestyle.

As for exercise, well, you can't outrun a doughnut.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 31, 2012
at 11:01 PM

Of course you can Out run a donut.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on June 01, 2012
at 02:17 PM

(Not saying calories doen't matter at *all,* but they sure ain't the whole story, folks.)

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on June 01, 2012
at 02:39 PM

They did address some differences in metabolism. The section about the 20% energy requirements difference between an "exact same person" in one version who lost weight to achieve current state, and the other who spent their entire adult life that way was really fascinating.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on June 01, 2012
at 02:17 PM

Thank you. Human beings are NOT bomb calorimeters, and anyone who thinks it's 100% a simple numbers game and nothing else does not understand human biochemistry and the different hormonal effects of fat vs. protein vs. carbs.

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Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on June 01, 2012
at 05:44 AM

Gary Taubes wrote an article in response to the series. I thought it was very perceptive. I know there are a lot of anti-Taubes people on PH, but he has some excellent points. I was also very disappointed with the series. Same old tired anwers that don't work, same old diet and exercise myths recycled.

I had been looking forward to something different. Oh well.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/05/06/why-the-campaign-to-stop-america-s-obesity-crisis-keeps-failing.html

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on June 01, 2012
at 06:32 AM

THANK YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH FOR THIS ARTICLE!!! I LOVED IT!!!! Finally, a word of sanity in this insane world! Thanks again!

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on June 01, 2012
at 12:37 AM

Ugh, I cringed at the giant calorie book that the walking buddies carried around and cringed even more at the meticulous care they took in weighing and then carefully recording everything they ate. It made me feel so terrible for them. I got weepy many times during that series. I feel awful for people who are in such bad shape (physically and emotionally).

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on June 01, 2012
at 03:17 AM

I just wanted to hug every one of them and tell them about the Paleo diet.

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F31d10b54b31428e189d9b771bf7b1d1

on June 01, 2012
at 12:27 AM

Paradigm shifting is only for the brave and insightful. I will not criticize those who are entangled in the dominant paradigm. They cannot help themselves. They also eat WRONG.

And yes, ALL experts have a vested interest, at the very least an intellectual investment, and almost always a prestige vested interest. They write books. They don't want to think differently from their books. Instead of hating these people, we should feel sorry that they are unable to get it, and their health will suffer.

And it is true, if your job depends upon food producers monied interests, then it is likely that you will be hired only if you believe as they do. But remember that these people do not eat paleo on the sly. They actually believe what they preach, and they eat what they preach. But they get hired depending upon which monied interest they please.

VERY FEW paradigm shifts happen because of experts: continental drift, LENR, Galileo (the Church was the "experts" in those days), Elizabeth Kinney, Relativity (Einstein was a freaking clerk), Newton (was nobody, a social retard), Gerson, Edison (was laughed at by "expert" scientists, until his electric light worked), etc, etc. etc.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on June 01, 2012
at 02:20 PM

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair

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3ab5e1b9eba22a071f653330b7fc9579

on May 31, 2012
at 10:17 PM

money > nutrition

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F0a3e3f17d9a740810ac37ff2353a9f3

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on May 31, 2012
at 09:53 PM

You're not crazy, and they are lying.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on June 01, 2012
at 03:17 AM

Thank you. Because I kind of thought may be it was me who was crazy.

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B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 31, 2012
at 06:58 PM

As always, you hear the same stuff over and over again "a calorie is a calorie", "energy in energy out". While the last quote may be true, it is management talk. Sound easy and logic, yet it fails to help.

It was a hilarious video though. I hope nobody judges the fat persons, as my friends like to shout that they are lazy and stupid, while I think they're not fat because they're lazy and stupid, I think it's upside down.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:46 PM

@Korion - which part? 2,3, or 4?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 31, 2012
at 08:41 PM

Part 2 : the lady crying while talking about her "relation with food". *"food can be..... my boyfriend at the moment....."* Can't believe she did that on TV.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 31, 2012
at 09:24 PM

Korion - you want to know the bitter truth? That's what a lot of women think. When guys dump them or... do not want them - they buy ice-cream or a gingerbread man - because you can always chew his head off. And food will never say, "I am not ready for relationship right now!"

956bcad1d462d433a4e1e22f6e3355d5

(1191)

on May 31, 2012
at 11:18 PM

Until last month I regularly ate junk food just to feel happy because of having nobody to talk to at the moments I needed or to help bust my stress just by being with me and having fun. So yeah, such food relations are pretty crazy.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 31, 2012
at 07:03 PM

27:30 was just crazy by the way.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 31, 2012
at 07:47 PM

They do judge all fat people. The sad part - the stigma stays even when they lost all the weight :(

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 31, 2012
at 11:07 PM

Korion, why does management talk mean? If you don't want to gain body fat you'd better expend more energy than you take in, unless you have a hormonal stimulus to gain lean mass (like through resistance training). That's the plain truth. People simply take in too much energy for their lifestyle demands.

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on June 01, 2012
at 08:44 AM

Management talk = when you say stuff that sounds cool, true, simple, ... but really doesn't get you anywhere. Good to sell ideas, not good to make things work. Ben, I get it, energy in energy out. Only thing is, this doesn't address metabolic rate, cravings, nutrient deficiencies, ... So just telling obese people "energy in energy out" won't get them very far.

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on June 01, 2012
at 03:30 PM

@ Korion - agree on the nutrient deficiencies part.

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