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The Shangri-La Diet, read the book, know anything about it?

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Created June 10, 2011 at 8:27 PM

The Shangri-La Diet seems to be getting a lot of press around the blogs and sites these days, and I'm wondering if anyone has read the book or knows anything about the diet?

Here's the book from Amazon

I'm not sure what to think about it. It basically conditions you to eat less, and it is focused on loosing weight. There are some interesting things said about it online, and everyone I've seen try it for a few months absolutely loves it.

For those of you that have read the book and know about it, how about a decent overview here?

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on June 13, 2011
at 10:09 PM

Sorry, that was supposed to say "described ME exactly."

A6b2325aefabe3e40c89646e40223f6f

on June 13, 2011
at 10:07 PM

This was a couple of years ago, so my memory is sketchy, but I recall that I gave it several months. I can't say why it didn't work. Seth did mention on his site that it just doesn't work for some people, and he said that those people tend to be males who are physically active and reasonably close to their target weight (which described by exactly). But I still don't know why it wouldn't work for me when it obviously does for some.

116d23135449332a8bf9106220cf632b

on June 12, 2011
at 11:29 PM

Thanks, I'm going to have to try that. I assume you swallow them while they're still frozen?

127116e41acceee9f2f000076f8b788d

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on June 12, 2011
at 12:41 AM

why do you think it happened like that? How long were you on it?

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on June 11, 2011
at 05:03 PM

I find that freezing fish oil pills prevents the burps :)

116d23135449332a8bf9106220cf632b

on June 11, 2011
at 12:25 PM

Drink the sugar water or oil after 2 hours of any "taste" and before two hours of any "taste." I've tried coconut oil but the flavor is too strong- and I get wicked fish burps from taking fish oil on an empty stomach. Seth recommends extra light olive oil because it is flavorless, and I feel better about taking oil than sugar.

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on June 11, 2011
at 10:46 AM

Hum I am tempted to go buy a glucose meter do that experiment coke vs sugar water on blood glucose. But that doesn't really explain the AS effect

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on June 11, 2011
at 03:31 AM

One of the active users argued (directly with Seth Roberts at times) that an actual 'set point' was an unlikely explanation, since it begs the question, what is the *mechanism* involved? And if there's a mechanism, no real need a set point. I don't remember the explanation but it was convincing. His conclusion was that it was about *insulin* - "flavor" is required to trigger an insulin response. Flavorless calories (sugar is fine) don't spike insulin. With less insulin the body doesn't race to store the glucose into fat, and doesn't stimulate the hunger cycle. Or something like that :-)

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on June 11, 2011
at 02:56 AM

I just typically did it after lunch, it was an easy time of day for me. I used fish oil pills instead because they were easy and fast.

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on June 11, 2011
at 02:52 AM

I am another Seth fan. I love reading him and his experiments have always proved interesting

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at 01:26 AM

I thought the forums were amazing - the members really did experiment a lot and there was lively discussion of their methods. I got quite an education there!

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on June 11, 2011
at 01:25 AM

I did it in the AM when I got to work, then nothing until a late lunch. It had a curious effect: I'd get "hungry" but didn't feel like *eating*. Drinking water helped but not much. I get the same effect if I snack on coconut oil btw.

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on June 11, 2011
at 12:35 AM

so, are you supposed to drink the sugar water at regular intervals or when you usually snack?

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at 09:12 PM

Opps. Should add the protocol since it is widely published on the web. Nothing flavored for an hour before and an hour after flavor free calories. The theory is this decreases your set point. It does kill my appatite but it doesn't seem to work for everyone.

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on June 10, 2011
at 09:57 PM

First off, I love Seth Roberts because he is an amazing self-experimenter. He gets a lot of flack from his fellow academics but whatevs.

As for the diet - I think it could be very good for people who need to lose a lot of weight and it could be a good transition to paleo for maintenance. I don't think it is a diet that can be used long-term as Vrimj mentioned.

You may want to mosey over to Seth's site and check out all of the other great things he has to offer. He has several posts on Paleo.

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on June 11, 2011
at 02:52 AM

I am another Seth fan. I love reading him and his experiments have always proved interesting

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on June 11, 2011
at 01:26 AM

I thought the forums were amazing - the members really did experiment a lot and there was lively discussion of their methods. I got quite an education there!

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on June 13, 2011
at 05:20 PM

The shangri-la diet and Seth Roberts don't get enough credit around here. The recent food reward stuff by Guyenet owes a lot to Seth Roberts, and his discussion of weight setpoints in particular, which Guyenet is pretty open about. What this means for paleo folks, interestingly, is that a lot of our weight loss success is the result of mechanisms that Roberts talks about. When we remove carbs, or neolithic high-reward foods in general, from our diet, we lower our weight set points, eat fewer calories, and thus lose weight. Indeed, whenever people post about not losing weight, and also include their diet, its usually pretty obvious that they've failed to remove high-reward foods from their diets. This is why nuts, sweet fruit (or sweet anything really), dairy, artificial sweeteners, and coconut oil can be sources of weight stalls. The Roberts protocol -- or, rather, understanding why it works - provides paleo eaters with an additional criterion for assessing whether certain foods should be included in our diets. In short, if foods or ingredient or preparation methods result in highly rewarding food, then they might not have the effects that we're looking for.

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on June 13, 2011
at 04:01 PM

It worked great for me. SLD led me to Paleo, because I started making food choices based on what made me more or less hungry while reading all kinds of stuff on the internet. SLD made it possible to stop acting like an addict with modern foods. If you search my name in the forums, you can find my old update thread there.

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on June 11, 2011
at 01:22 AM

That was my first "real" diet, and I was attracted by the geeky self-experimentation. And it worked. I started with the sugar method but switched quickly to the oil one, and definitely lost a few pounds on olive oil and canola (oh well). The most valuable thing to me was the forums - there were a lot of very smart people there who took their experimentation way outside 'just' Shangri-La.

It works by decoupling flavor from calories - an interesting concept worth learning more about btw. One forum member ate all her meals with a nose clip on and had amazing results.

It was on that site that I got a recommendation for Good Calories Bad Calories, got a blood glucose tester and (after being shocked at the readings) went very low-carb almost immediately. And in educating myself about how people did that I kept running across Paleo articles and blogs, until finally I was convinced!

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116d23135449332a8bf9106220cf632b

on June 11, 2011
at 12:24 AM

The basic principle is that you give your body calories that it does not associate with taste. I didn't buy the book, I just read some of Seth's articles. He recommends consuming either a sugar water or flavorless oil with a two-hour "padding" of nothing but water (no tea, gum, toothpaste, etc).

I actually started it this week. I take a TBSP of extra light olive oil around 3:00 every day. I haven't lost any weight yet (it's only been a week) but I've DEFINITELY noticed a reduction in my appetite and desire to snack at bedtime.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

(2997)

on June 11, 2011
at 01:25 AM

I did it in the AM when I got to work, then nothing until a late lunch. It had a curious effect: I'd get "hungry" but didn't feel like *eating*. Drinking water helped but not much. I get the same effect if I snack on coconut oil btw.

1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

(6235)

on June 11, 2011
at 05:03 PM

I find that freezing fish oil pills prevents the burps :)

116d23135449332a8bf9106220cf632b

on June 11, 2011
at 12:25 PM

Drink the sugar water or oil after 2 hours of any "taste" and before two hours of any "taste." I've tried coconut oil but the flavor is too strong- and I get wicked fish burps from taking fish oil on an empty stomach. Seth recommends extra light olive oil because it is flavorless, and I feel better about taking oil than sugar.

127116e41acceee9f2f000076f8b788d

(477)

on June 11, 2011
at 12:35 AM

so, are you supposed to drink the sugar water at regular intervals or when you usually snack?

1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

(6235)

on June 11, 2011
at 02:56 AM

I just typically did it after lunch, it was an easy time of day for me. I used fish oil pills instead because they were easy and fast.

116d23135449332a8bf9106220cf632b

on June 12, 2011
at 11:29 PM

Thanks, I'm going to have to try that. I assume you swallow them while they're still frozen?

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A6b2325aefabe3e40c89646e40223f6f

on June 11, 2011
at 11:13 PM

I followed the diet quite rigorously and it had absolutely no effect for me.

127116e41acceee9f2f000076f8b788d

(477)

on June 12, 2011
at 12:41 AM

why do you think it happened like that? How long were you on it?

A6b2325aefabe3e40c89646e40223f6f

on June 13, 2011
at 10:07 PM

This was a couple of years ago, so my memory is sketchy, but I recall that I gave it several months. I can't say why it didn't work. Seth did mention on his site that it just doesn't work for some people, and he said that those people tend to be males who are physically active and reasonably close to their target weight (which described by exactly). But I still don't know why it wouldn't work for me when it obviously does for some.

A6b2325aefabe3e40c89646e40223f6f

on June 13, 2011
at 10:09 PM

Sorry, that was supposed to say "described ME exactly."

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E91fd339d760ed76cc72570a679ebf5a

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on June 10, 2011
at 10:50 PM

I've experimented with it. I think it's especially good to do in combination with low-carb paleo for the best appetite suppression. The effect can be quite miraculous. The relief from obsession over food is worth it even if you don't lose a pound, in my opinion.

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1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

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on June 10, 2011
at 08:41 PM

I did love it and lost a lot of weight (30 ish lbs in 3 or 4 months) I just found it really hard to sustain and long term I felt like I might have had some side effects like lethargy and ahedonia as a result.

But I have started to take my omega 3 pills using the SLD protocol again and dinner no longer appeals. I am just keeping a close eye on my mood.

Edited to correct weight loss overestimate after I looked it up in the forums :)

1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

(6235)

on June 10, 2011
at 09:12 PM

Opps. Should add the protocol since it is widely published on the web. Nothing flavored for an hour before and an hour after flavor free calories. The theory is this decreases your set point. It does kill my appatite but it doesn't seem to work for everyone.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

(2997)

on June 11, 2011
at 03:31 AM

One of the active users argued (directly with Seth Roberts at times) that an actual 'set point' was an unlikely explanation, since it begs the question, what is the *mechanism* involved? And if there's a mechanism, no real need a set point. I don't remember the explanation but it was convincing. His conclusion was that it was about *insulin* - "flavor" is required to trigger an insulin response. Flavorless calories (sugar is fine) don't spike insulin. With less insulin the body doesn't race to store the glucose into fat, and doesn't stimulate the hunger cycle. Or something like that :-)

1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

(6235)

on June 11, 2011
at 10:46 AM

Hum I am tempted to go buy a glucose meter do that experiment coke vs sugar water on blood glucose. But that doesn't really explain the AS effect

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on June 20, 2011
at 12:06 AM

I have not tried it but I like the paleo diet. It has worked well for me.

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