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Sweet Treats... Does eating sweetners of any kind spell trouble?

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Created May 25, 2011 at 3:42 PM

While I try and keep sweeteners to a minimum and I use xylitol. It just tastes better and is supposed to not spike your insulin. However I have read in various other health and nutrition blogs that it is bad and that anything sweet can create a Pavlovian response and cause or body to gear up for or perceive that we are eating sweets there by causing trouble?

I am trying to lean out so I watch the starch and sugar so no fruit and minimal yams and such. However I seemed to have plateaued and I am trying figure it out. Can anyone weigh in on for me?

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on December 01, 2011
at 08:07 AM

Saying artificial sweetener is chemical crap compared to sugar is a bit silly. If you want to cut it out, cut it out. Sucralose wont spike your insulin outside the imagined pavlovian response (something you get when just THINKING about sweets) vs real sugar. Real sugar WILL, with 100% certainty, add to your diabetes risk and put you on a major insulin spike and carb roller coaster. Artificial sweeteners, while having a small impact, minimize any insulin response. Period. Paleo is about expressing our genes in an optimal fashion. You wont do that as a type 2 diabetic.

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on May 26, 2011
at 01:37 AM

Yeah i love his blog... Of course I didn't read the "Smoking Candy Cigarettes" post but will head over there now.

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on May 25, 2011
at 10:25 PM

I agree with Thomas. Sugar is better than the fake stuff. Both are no good of course but chemical crap is worse than sugar cane for sure. If your husband is diabetic why are you searching for a sweetener at all? Don't use any. What do you need to sweeten? Baked goods? They're no good anyway. If it's coffee or tea drink it straight. Fooling yourself with fake sugar is never going to work. Never.

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on May 25, 2011
at 10:05 PM

Heavy cream also imparts sweetness without have sugar...just like the fat around meat.

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on May 25, 2011
at 07:39 PM

Yeah I don't really think that is a better alternative for everyone. My husband is diabetic - plain white sugar is never a great idea for him unless for some reason his glucose gets too low. Stevia is a good product though. If you read the link I posted about it you'd see there were benefits to using it and it doesn't cause insulin spikes like sugar, honey, agave etc

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on May 25, 2011
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http://www.marksdailyapple.com/stevia/ This one too

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at 03:47 PM

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/artificial-sweeteners-insulin/ This is a great blog post by Mark Sisson - must read in my opinion

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on May 25, 2011
at 08:15 PM

My personal semi-scientific theory is that eating anything that tastes sweet is bad for you. Even if there are no sugars or calories, I think it messes with your system and has some of the same effects as a sugar spike, signaling your body to retain fat.

Seth Roberts has theorized that sweet tastes raise your "set point" (i.e. your body's self-determined ideal weight) due to "flavor/calorie association" (the basis of his diet theory). I don't really understand the underlying mechanism, but I totally agree with the conclusion.

This explains why people who guzzle diet coke often still remain stubbornly overweight, and why switching from foods sweetened with sugar to non-calorie chemicals doesn't help diets much at all. Virtually everything that is artificially flavored is flavored to be sweet, and I think this contributes to obesity, because it is the sweetness as much as the sugar/calories. Virtually every processed American food is sweetened, including soups, yogurt, cheese, and even vitamins.

The sweetest thing that our Paleo ancestors ever ate was probably fruit, and it was probably nowhere near as sweet as the fruit we get today, and definitely way less sweet than diet soda or gum. Almost all of the fruit that you buy at the supermarket is way sweeter than anything that grew naturally 100 years ago, same for juices. I think that eating anything sweet triggers bad reactions in the body similar to the other things that we try to eliminate with a Paleo diet.

Having totally given up sugar and anything sweetened, I find sweetness in other foods now, like the fat around meat is sweet, and is way better for me...

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on May 25, 2011
at 10:05 PM

Heavy cream also imparts sweetness without have sugar...just like the fat around meat.

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on May 25, 2011
at 10:04 PM

Erik, good for you for working on avoiding the sweeteners.

If you haven't had a chance to read Dr. Kurt Harris' blog, you are in for a treat.

Here is Dr. Harris' "Get Started" page.

And here is his brilliant post, "Smoking Candy Cigarettes".

If you would like some more inspiration to kick the habit of the taste of sweet, then a bit of Dr. Russell Blaylock, on Excitoxins and artificial sweeteners, ought to cure anyone.

And at Pubmed, you can read of how xylitol stimulates insulin secretion. I don't have a link handy for the reports. There are several. A simple search on artificial sweeteners and insulin will bring them up. Xylitol does trigger an insulin response.

And the taste of sweet, or even thinking about sweets can stimulate insulin secretion. It is called Cephalic Phase Insulin Response. Pubmed searches will give you much good reading.

Hope this helps. :)

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on May 26, 2011
at 01:37 AM

Yeah i love his blog... Of course I didn't read the "Smoking Candy Cigarettes" post but will head over there now.

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on May 25, 2011
at 07:19 PM

Much better to just go ahead and use plain white sugar than these replacements that trick the body.

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on May 25, 2011
at 07:39 PM

Yeah I don't really think that is a better alternative for everyone. My husband is diabetic - plain white sugar is never a great idea for him unless for some reason his glucose gets too low. Stevia is a good product though. If you read the link I posted about it you'd see there were benefits to using it and it doesn't cause insulin spikes like sugar, honey, agave etc

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on May 25, 2011
at 10:25 PM

I agree with Thomas. Sugar is better than the fake stuff. Both are no good of course but chemical crap is worse than sugar cane for sure. If your husband is diabetic why are you searching for a sweetener at all? Don't use any. What do you need to sweeten? Baked goods? They're no good anyway. If it's coffee or tea drink it straight. Fooling yourself with fake sugar is never going to work. Never.

5b904e51e5dbb636f4751a9cb35f81ff

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on December 01, 2011
at 08:07 AM

Saying artificial sweetener is chemical crap compared to sugar is a bit silly. If you want to cut it out, cut it out. Sucralose wont spike your insulin outside the imagined pavlovian response (something you get when just THINKING about sweets) vs real sugar. Real sugar WILL, with 100% certainty, add to your diabetes risk and put you on a major insulin spike and carb roller coaster. Artificial sweeteners, while having a small impact, minimize any insulin response. Period. Paleo is about expressing our genes in an optimal fashion. You wont do that as a type 2 diabetic.

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on May 25, 2011
at 04:52 PM

The unrefined green stevia powder is preferable to the refined white powder or liquid.

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