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Slow struggle to lose causing doubt.

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 22, 2011 at 2:01 PM

First of all I at this time cant be strict paleo in the sense of conventional versus grassfed. Right now i am purchasing all mostly conventional with some grassfed or organic meats. I have been working on this lifestyle since jan 17th and only lost 11 lb up till last week. Also, I am the person that cant currently eat red meat, probably leaky gut, but i have had some major constipation lately that has only been corrected by medicine so i am not ready to try beef anytime soon, grassfed or not...

i take 3000mg of vit d 2 slo mag 2 potassium 99 mg 2-3 colace stool softner

it seem like everytime my period comes around the ketosis is harder to sustain and the increased lbs on the scale start to make me doubt what i am doing. since it takes a few days for that weight gain, water or what ever, to go away it feels like i take two steps forward three steps back.

I havent felt my best like i did the jan and feb after the initial carb flu. I have started being exhausted again. sleep was off due to possbily the magnesium at night plus i work from home and am oncall 5 pm to 7 am.

my main meals are 16 oz earl gray tea with 2-3 oz of heavy cream x2 over the course of a day

delayed breakfast until 10-11 of 2 eggs and bacon, sausage or spinach (depending on what i have around)

lunch 1/2 chicken breast or liverwurst or pork with butter melted over the cut meat

dinner chicken, pork or liverwurst in some form on side of plate with salad or mixed into salad. some nights just the meat and broccoli or kale

snacks macadamia nuts (22 halves) or 12-15 cashews or almonds

occassionally sleepytime tea with 2 oz of cream

when i use fit day to check my calories, it shows usually about 68-70% fat but i struggle to get more.

Admittedly, exercise is low. some walking, some non strenous bike riding with child, 4-6 miles, and house renovation, "wax on wax off ;) "

I am considering making the same meals for two weeks to see if i can get a handle on staying in ketosis.

Any thoughts?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on March 23, 2011
at 12:31 AM

I'm with Ed. And I bet estrogen progesterone testosterone and vit D are out of balance too.

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11478)

on March 22, 2011
at 11:00 PM

Beef and milk can have commmon antigens: http://www.allallergy.net/fapaidfind.cfm?cdeoc=434 . Consider a dairy elimination trial for a few weeks if you're sensitive to beef.

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(561)

on March 22, 2011
at 09:30 PM

Just a note of encouragement. I'm sorry that things are going slowly. I gave myself a year to lose about 15lbs (I don't have much to lose) and gained about 11 lbs with paleo eating, so if I had your success I'd be grateful. That said, maybe it's about focusing on health and longevity and making the lifestyle stick instead of on the weight loss. I also agree that some blood tests to check Vit D, thyroid (full panel) and basic tests would give you more info. You're doing amazing things for yourself and these are huge changes to make. I mean huge. Give yourself a lot of credit for that.

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on March 22, 2011
at 09:00 PM

i started taking it during the the day now to try to help my sleep.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on March 22, 2011
at 07:09 PM

Yes, eating only fish would get old very quickly for me. But if you like fish it will work. Check out marksdailyapple.com and do some searching around. His wife Carrie does not eat red meat, only fish. I wonder if you have ever tried lamb? Maybe it will not give you problems like the beef?

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

(3761)

on March 22, 2011
at 06:18 PM

Yikes. I would try to keep the calories on the high end. Maybe go for 1500? You seem over-worked, so your body will start hanging on to fat if you don't get enough fuel. Sorry about work. I know how that goes!! Are you taking magnesium only at night?

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on March 22, 2011
at 05:52 PM

i have been diagnosed with ibs - c this is when i started trying to figure out what made my stomach feel like a hot rock was in it and why i was so backed up...this lead to colonscopy which was fine and mri which was fine...so i got slapped with ibs and try to find my trigger...it appears to be red meat. i also havent eaten popcorn for years due to similar sensations...8 years w/o intentionally injested red meat...oddly enough except for pregnancy...which it didnt bother me!....

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on March 22, 2011
at 05:49 PM

5'7" 219 calories have been anywhere from 900-1300 ..i really cant have too many more drained days as this is spring break and we have to get the house ready to sell and the week after is a cortizol nightmare...commute 1 hour each way to work, work 8:45-6 arrive home, cook oh and i am on 24 hour call starting at 5 pm...all week because my company cant hire enough people and burn out the good ones..

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on March 22, 2011
at 05:47 PM

if i eliminate chicken pork and nuts, and cant currenlty eat red meat...i would only be eating fish...

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on March 22, 2011
at 05:45 PM

just a mom, i am considered obese, so i would like to get down to 160. nnunn, probably but i feel like i need the encouragement, so i weigh. i do notice my body changing and how it feels in clothes so that is added incentive.

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on March 22, 2011
at 04:57 PM

i know, but a sneaky mind, with easily diverted thoughts got me here today....i am trying to reassure myself it will all pan out....it is hard to be the only paleo believer in my house, to make meals for everyone (4) and reassure them i am doing the right thing with slow results...ok, i think they are slow...i have to remind myself i am not a man, nor do i have a moderate workout schedule..

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on March 22, 2011
at 04:55 PM

I am actually on the thread you listed. Thanks, I am hoping one day i can eat red meat again with out the associated pain and consitpation. it has been 8 years.

5d0283f9cf2480374a0b7df56b7f3d9b

(418)

on March 22, 2011
at 03:58 PM

Oh and it sounds like you might be way too addicted to your scales. Don't weigh yourself everyday - weigh once every two weeks and focus on how you look and feel instead.

5d0283f9cf2480374a0b7df56b7f3d9b

(418)

on March 22, 2011
at 03:48 PM

11 pounds is amazing!!!

04293f705870e1837b8670d3c1cd5f67

(2261)

on March 22, 2011
at 03:17 PM

What are your weight loss goals?

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5
D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

on March 22, 2011
at 02:43 PM

If you are discouraged after losing 11 pounds in two months then you are trying to lose weight way to fast! Don't compare your weight loss to others, as Ben said you have to adjust to what your body needs to function happily. Paleo will not usually result in very rapid weight loss if you have a broken metabolism/hormonal issues/or you do not have a lot of weight to lose, so thinking you should be 25 pounds down at three months is setting yourself up for disappointment.

I still have not found my "sweet spot" either, therefore it helps to focus on measurements and how getting healthy is more important than the scale. As a former yo-yo VLC dieter (Atkins induction style) who was used to dropping 15 pounds when necessary, switching to paleo was a rude awakening as far as plateaus are concerned. One thing you could address in addition to adding more carbs is lowering your PUFA. If you cannot get GF meat, then eliminate chicken, pork and nuts. Inflammation can cause stalls that last for weeks. I have been working on keeping PUFA lower than 4% and I just feel better in general, more energetic, and more muscular even though the scale hangs around the same number. Good luck!

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on March 22, 2011
at 05:47 PM

if i eliminate chicken pork and nuts, and cant currenlty eat red meat...i would only be eating fish...

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on March 22, 2011
at 07:09 PM

Yes, eating only fish would get old very quickly for me. But if you like fish it will work. Check out marksdailyapple.com and do some searching around. His wife Carrie does not eat red meat, only fish. I wonder if you have ever tried lamb? Maybe it will not give you problems like the beef?

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A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

(3761)

on March 22, 2011
at 02:19 PM

Maybe VLC isn't for you! I really struggled in VLC, and then I added some good carbs (60-100 grams daily) and I feel great. I started losing more fat, and have a lot more energy! You might also be eating too little. What are your calories? Ht? Wt?

You really have to experiment with Paleo. What works for one, may not work for another. Find what makes you feel the best and go from there.

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on March 22, 2011
at 09:00 PM

i started taking it during the the day now to try to help my sleep.

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

(3761)

on March 22, 2011
at 06:18 PM

Yikes. I would try to keep the calories on the high end. Maybe go for 1500? You seem over-worked, so your body will start hanging on to fat if you don't get enough fuel. Sorry about work. I know how that goes!! Are you taking magnesium only at night?

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on March 22, 2011
at 05:49 PM

5'7" 219 calories have been anywhere from 900-1300 ..i really cant have too many more drained days as this is spring break and we have to get the house ready to sell and the week after is a cortizol nightmare...commute 1 hour each way to work, work 8:45-6 arrive home, cook oh and i am on 24 hour call starting at 5 pm...all week because my company cant hire enough people and burn out the good ones..

3
7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

on March 22, 2011
at 10:59 PM

Theresa,

I started out as obese and had a lot of weight to lose. It took me over 6 years to lose the 111lbs that I eventually lost. Sometimes I thought I had it all figured out and I'd gain again. It wasn't an easy journey, but what I can tell you is that it was ABSOLUTELY AND COMPLETELY worth it.

I think the fact that it took me so long will be the key to keeping the weight off. Each setback started me on a new journey of learning about fitness and nutrition. Weight loss isn't meant to be easy, I don't think. I know for some people it seems effortless, but without the work behind it, then it doesn't mean as much and it seems like it's so much easier for them to slip back into old bad habits.

The little voice inside my head (What?! I know you have one too!) was brutal sometimes. Self doubt, self flaggelation and just feeling like giving up was so much easier sometimes.

Please stick with it, losing 1 to 2lbs a week is exactly where you should be, I think, for a long term weight loss. Some weeks will be awesome and you might lose 3lbs and others might just suck ass and you'll gain a pound. How our bodies deal with the changes are not always obvious. If you know you have been eating well and exercising the best you can BELIEVE IN YOUR BODY and it usually will all catch up.

I think calorie tracking and tweaking your ratios of fat/protein/carbs and a bit of HIIT can be the key to weight loss. I know it doesn't work for everyone though.

<3

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6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11478)

on March 22, 2011
at 03:17 PM

There are two things I thought of when you said you had constipation and low energy levels:

  1. hypothyroidism--Get your thyroid levels checked if you haven't already.

  2. dairy allergy/intolerance--Not all dairy sensitivities cause rashes and/or diarrhea. Sometimes constipation is the only symptom of milk allergy.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on March 23, 2011
at 12:31 AM

I'm with Ed. And I bet estrogen progesterone testosterone and vit D are out of balance too.

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on March 22, 2011
at 05:52 PM

i have been diagnosed with ibs - c this is when i started trying to figure out what made my stomach feel like a hot rock was in it and why i was so backed up...this lead to colonscopy which was fine and mri which was fine...so i got slapped with ibs and try to find my trigger...it appears to be red meat. i also havent eaten popcorn for years due to similar sensations...8 years w/o intentionally injested red meat...oddly enough except for pregnancy...which it didnt bother me!....

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11478)

on March 22, 2011
at 11:00 PM

Beef and milk can have commmon antigens: http://www.allallergy.net/fapaidfind.cfm?cdeoc=434 . Consider a dairy elimination trial for a few weeks if you're sensitive to beef.

2
2c3a4e438d71775f45e98d1334b4e8d4

(495)

on March 22, 2011
at 07:13 PM

"it feels like i take two steps forward three steps back"

You know, everyone else is contributing great advice on the diet regimen, which is awesome. But it sounds like your question was actually two parts: diet and feeling discouraged.

I just want to say, it's okay and normal to feel discouraged. It happens to everyone. It's part of the process. It's normal to want to fast forward past all the work and struggle and frustrations and be at the flippin' finish line already.

I recently saw several people posting articles about discouragement and finding your motivation again, which is part of why your post caught my eye.

Maryann Devine, in Discouragement Alley

Havi Brooks, When You Feel Discouraged

Havi Brooks, On Discouragement

And one (possibly dorky) thing I've started doing is making a list of 101 things in my life that support my diet/fitness/weightloss goals. Little specific things about my spirituality, philosophy, family, etc. that contribute to my motivation. Little images of why I'm doing this. Quotes that inspire me to keep going. Little habits that are helping in small ways. Just a list. I'm finding that the act of writing the list helps. And re-reading the list helps.

I hope some of this helps. And for the record, I think 11 lbs is great -- and I hope I'll be there in another couple of months!

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91c2e2a35e578e2e79ce7d631b753879

on March 22, 2011
at 02:27 PM

Theresa, since you're 43, you might want to consider that perhaps you've entered perimenopause which, for many women (including myself) makes it much harder to lose weight. In my case, I am suffering through a 3-month stall after losing 30 pounds fairly quickly (although, not as quickly as my husband...naturally). I tend to judge more about how I feel, and how much energy I have, rather than how much weight I'm losing - it helps keep me from feeling discouraged.

1
1bcd8843750e4102aa47109dd485b57e

(30)

on March 22, 2011
at 09:12 PM

I've been paleo (similar to you) since around the first of January. I've only lost about 9 pounds and most of that was in the first three weeks. I absolutely know how you feel about being frustrated with the scale. I know my clothes feel different, but not seeing any change on the scale was so frustrating.

I started measuring myself at the end of February (waist, hips, biceps, thighs, bust, etc - basically everything with the idea that I'd see changes somewhere). Seeing those numbers drop has been a huge confidence boost! So..my scale says I've only lost half a pound in the past two weeks, but my measuring tape says I've lost 8.5 inches. :-)

The only exercise I'm doing right now is lunges & push ups and things that are similar because I can do them quickly and they make me feel good. I'm trying to get out for walks, but weather + kids + life is making that a challenge right now.

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D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on March 22, 2011
at 03:42 PM

It took you years to get where you are today. Don't imagine a couple months can easily undo years of damage.

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on March 22, 2011
at 04:57 PM

i know, but a sneaky mind, with easily diverted thoughts got me here today....i am trying to reassure myself it will all pan out....it is hard to be the only paleo believer in my house, to make meals for everyone (4) and reassure them i am doing the right thing with slow results...ok, i think they are slow...i have to remind myself i am not a man, nor do i have a moderate workout schedule..

1
43d33eea1cbc69af32352b1753a40458

on March 22, 2011
at 02:47 PM

Congratulations on your weight loss! It is normal to have weight fluctuation around your period. Since you are unable to eat red meat, you may have low ferritin levels...meaning low iron available in your body. This can cause extreme fatigue. You may also need to look at your adrenals, thyroid, and other hormones.

With regard to staying in ketosis, you might try meat & fat only for a few days. In my experience, it takes about 48 hours to see a big change in levels. Intermittent fasting is working well for me. I have not seen a huge change on the scale, but it boosts my ketosis and leans me out. I can tell a big improvement in losing fat and adding lean muscle. There is the possibility of being reactive to dairy in which the cream and regular butter could be sabotage. You might try ghee and full fat coconut milk instead.

What are your Vitamin D levels? Are you taking Vitamin D3? Most people need more than 5000 IU per day of Vit D3 with a lot more if they have leaky gut or an existing deficiency. For example, it took me a year of 10,000 IU per day to raise my D levels from 27 to 58.

The need for laxatives is concerning. You might want to add coconut oil to your regimen. It could help with your regularity and fat intake. I like 1 T coconut oil in 10 oz. coffee with 1 oz. heavy cream. It is like clockwork within an hour. If you are not a coffee fan, you might want to give it another try with coconut oil or milk. It tastes less like coffee and more dessert-like.

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04293f705870e1837b8670d3c1cd5f67

on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

Regarding the read meat and constipation issue. Might not be making enough enzymes to help break it down. I asked a question regarding why some people can't eat red meat, and that was one of the answers. (Some people do have an allergy apparently to red meat.)

I recently bought some pro-biotic liquid for a friend of mine (an ounce a day---tastes like juice)-- I think fermented veggies do the same thing; help with enyzmes in the stomach & constipation. This also helps with absorption of the food you eat. I had the fermented veggies and pro-biotic liquid (1 oz)the other day at a seminar-had very healthy BM the next morning.

I am 45 and my peri-menopause symptoms have seemed to have corrected themselves-and I don't have any weight issues.

hoping eventually you will be able to add red meat into your diet. Good luck!

http://paleohacks.com/questions/23804/how-can-some-people-not-be-able-to-eat-red-meat#axzz1HKxSjhuR

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on March 22, 2011
at 04:55 PM

I am actually on the thread you listed. Thanks, I am hoping one day i can eat red meat again with out the associated pain and consitpation. it has been 8 years.

0
9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

on March 22, 2011
at 08:57 PM

I feel the same way. I lost 10 pounds over 3 months and I'm so very very discouraged. It isn't fast enough! I'm starting on this and eating copious amounts of greens, non-starchy veg, chicken, and beef.

I still feel really ill when I read my totals for the day and it says I"ve consumed 60 grams of fat. TOO MUCH! I"ll never lose weight if I'm eating so much fat. O_O

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