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Please hack my plateau

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 07, 2011 at 7:25 PM

I'm exasperated, and totally about to just say @(^*! IT even if this is "healthier." I've evangelized my parents into paleo but have no success to show them.

This is about the end of month two for me, and I STILL haven't lost an ounce since week 1.

Me

  • Lost 8 pounds first week (Started at 197~199)
  • STILL 187 pounds now
  • STILL a size 16
  • STILL 38% body fat (I.e. lardball)
  • Usual breakfast is coffee & coconut milk or 2 eggs and bacon
  • If I eat breakfast, I try not to eat lunch, otherwise its' usually some protein and veggies in my microwave steamer @ work.
  • Dinner is usually protein and veggies cooked in some fat (ghee or butter usually).
  • No bread, no milk.
  • Gym time is limited due to house hunting in the evenings.
  • Lowered intake from 1800 to 1600 calories to try and beat plateau. No change.

Boyfriend

  • Lost 10 pounds first week (Started at 260ish)
  • Has lost 22 pounds so far
  • Blood pressure down about 20 points
  • Down from size 44-42 to a size 40
  • STILL eats protein shakes for breakfast
  • STILL eats sandwiches (with the buns) about 3-4x a week
  • Eats the same dinners as me
  • Doesn't go to the gym works in an office, same as me
  • STILL drinks diet soda
  • STILL drinks alcohol on the weekends

The scale is beyond annoying as well - Thursday I was at 185 and thought I had this beat. This morning? 188...

It's just bouncing between 186 and 189 or even higher. Body fat isn't changing either. 185 said it was 37% body fat, but on days where its 189 it can be as high as 40, which is really encouraging, let me tell you.

HOW CAN I GET OUT OF THIS PLATEAU!? BTW, 26 year old female with absolutely no desire to look like a body-builder. I just want to look like a victoria secret model and not have to starve myself to get there.

B7fec4bf394de8dfa6403067aea94e1b

(1546)

on June 07, 2011
at 03:17 PM

It took me about five months to go from an 18 to a 12, and then I hit a plateau for four months before I included strength training to drop to a 6 now. Are you still doing low calorie eating?

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on June 07, 2011
at 03:02 PM

Sorry, Chica. That's rough.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on June 07, 2011
at 03:02 PM

How long did it take, because I'm pissed off that I've been doing this for almost 4 months now and have seen basically zero progress. I still have 38+% body fat, I still weigh 190, I'm still wearing the same clothes.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on June 07, 2011
at 02:55 PM

Still plateauing ...

B7fec4bf394de8dfa6403067aea94e1b

(1546)

on May 18, 2011
at 11:53 PM

Congrats on the weight loss! I find that eating the protein and fat first then any vegetables makes me feel full faster.I did start doing IF usually after or before a workout, randomly, either skipping or putting off meals. I haven't fasted for an entire day yet. On days I might go for a big hike, I might just have dinner. It's been great though, not shopping in "big size" stores anymore and going shopping with the other teachers.

1b85b7649707eb07f26bb0fb0dc874c1

(125)

on May 18, 2011
at 05:35 PM

Congrats on breaking your plateau. I went from an 18/20 at 220, to a 12/14 at 185, to a 10/12 at 145-150. I've been stuck in this range since January. My ideal is to fit a size 8 comfortably. I'm curious if you did any IF, to help you with your 12 to 8 breakthrough. I've been concentrating mastering the eat when you are hungry, stop when you are full: it's a challenge, to say the least. p.s. I have to say I resonate so much with the joy of knowing that nothing in Lane Bryant fits because it's too big.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 11, 2011
at 11:22 PM

I've heard it both ways. Eat more, eat less. Ugh, so confusing! Thanks for the input though. I just.. if I gain the 10 pounds back that I have lost I will be *so* miserable.

1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

(3789)

on May 11, 2011
at 03:27 PM

Folks like the Inuit and the Maasai demonstrate that veggies are not necessary for health. I eat plenty of them myself, but then I don't have a weight loss stalling problem.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 11, 2011
at 02:21 AM

@akd - Please, I have 50 pounds to lose, I didn't expect them to come off overnight. But SOME progress would be better than absolutely ZILCH. At least to let me know I'm doing something right. It's all well and good to be healthy, but 50 POUNDS OVERWEIGHT IS NOT HEALTHY.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 10, 2011
at 05:08 AM

All these various hormones interact and regulate food intake. These hormones seem to work well on a ketogenic diet, but throw in some neolithic wheat or sugar and then they seem to get all screwed up. I have been weight stable for over a year or so, indicating to me that I am in a state of homeostasis. And best of all, I feel absolutely fantastic. I have TC around 400, LDL around 350 of which 91.5% is large bouyant. Fasting Blood Sugar 74. And finally it is known that folks with high cholesterol live longer and have better cognitive skills than folks that have lower numbers.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 10, 2011
at 04:57 AM

If you want to lose, don't look for a shortcut. Things I have not fully grasped yet is the role leptin plays in our bodies and how one reverses leptin resistance. I have used copy of MASTERING LEPTIN coming but Dr. K said I have the 2nd edition ordered...not the more current 3rd edition. And then there is ghrellin hormone..the hunger hormone. And there is PPY hormone that is susposed to tell us when food reaches the end of the small intestine that we should stop eating.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 10, 2011
at 04:40 AM

The only exercise I get is on a softball field 3x per week plus twice a week tabata windsprints for 5 minutes. I can tell you I still have a little pooch belly that I have been working on...left over from my huge wheat belly of three years ago. BTW I am 68 years old and abused by body mercilessly with 40oz cokes everyday for 30 years. Now I am taking care of myself so that my remaining time will be the best quality that I can have. No nursing home for me! Cal in/cal out metabolically doesn't work out unless you are in a concentration camp where you lose muscle mass as well as fat.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 10, 2011
at 04:33 AM

Yeah, I do restrict calories in the form of intermittant fasting twice a week. I eat dinner then no breakfast, no lunch and no dinner, then I eat 6 eggs, bacon, a small yam. But I do not count calories. I just eat til I am satiated. The only other carbs I have- a green salad which includes leafy greens, bell peppers, avos, cabbage, broccoli, califlower, bacon bits, and olive oil and vinegar in copious amounts. Started 3 years ago at 210 and now 160 on 6'2" frame with this regime. 80-85% fat, 15-20% protein and less than 5% carbs. Most of the fat is saturated from coconut oil and animal fat

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 10, 2011
at 02:47 AM

Yeah, that makes some sense. I've probably messed myself up pretty good. I've done a lot of really long "cleanses" ranging form 7-30 days. Usually yearly, usually around 18-21 days. Perhaps not such a good idea.. I felt it was beneficial-- maybe not so much if the cost was permanent metabolic havoc.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 10, 2011
at 02:31 AM

@Dexter - I just noticed on an old thread, you mention that you were restricting calories, or y'know.. counting them. This surprises me coming from such a "Taubes-ian". I don't count or restrict, but a few of the times I've plugged my meals into the the data-crunchers (i rarely do it) I come up 2000+. (allow me to re-state: I've not hitherto been focused on weight loss). Considering I don't work-out, I'm wondering about your take on the calories in/out conundrum and if restricting somewhat would be more/as beneficial than/as ZC. @Ambimorph: Do you count calories?

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on May 09, 2011
at 11:32 PM

Nothing really, uwiniwin. I've just noticed that some people who have a very hard time losing weight on low carb have long-term semi-starvation diet history. Of course, that could simply be because they've been overweight for a long time and are just more likely to have tried any given weight loss plan. But I've also wondered if they have somehow done some damage that takes longer to correct.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 09, 2011
at 04:01 PM

It's so hard to believe that so few carbs really makes the difference! I'm surely in ketosis.. But y'all would know! I might try it and see! Thx for your replies. :)

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on May 09, 2011
at 03:51 PM

oranges, i agree with melissa (per usual). if its making you miserable, then you need to stop. personally, i think that your unreasonable expectations are going to make you miserable on ANY diet, but weight loss is just the byproduct of eating a paleo diet, and giving your body what it needs to find homeostasis. i think the diet is not whats making you miserable, but your expectation that youre going to be on the cover of sports illustrated after a month.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 09, 2011
at 02:24 PM

You are right Oranges, if it is making you miserable and not making you feel healthier then you should stop immediately. Most people that do not experience weight loss do feel better physically from eating this way.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 09, 2011
at 12:57 PM

@akd @kaz Who said this is a fad? It's great that this way of eating has additional health benefits, but if it's making me miserable and not giving me the benefits EVERYONE ELSE IS GETTING why stress out by continuing with it?

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 09, 2011
at 04:42 AM

Unless you don't respond like other people, the only thing that can cause a rise in your insulin on a zero carb regime is protein...so keep it 15% or less. Your body may rebel for a while until it switches your gut enzymes from burning carbs to burning fat. Exercise in the form of walking and doing tabata sprints (5 minutes total) twice a week is fine...but no more. You don't want any cortisol buildup to blunt your weight loss. But many many people can drop weight without any exercise whatsoever on a zero carb program.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 09, 2011
at 03:00 AM

Hm. So if I want to start losing weight, I wonder if going zero-carb is preferable to re-implememting some exercise. ..Both?

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 09, 2011
at 02:32 AM

Welllll Ambimorph, as a matter of fact I do! Not chronic. But yes... I've done some rather extended fasts.. juicing, master-cleansey type stuff. Uh-oh... Ok, whattya got? Lay it on me.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on May 08, 2011
at 11:03 PM

uwiniwin, just curious - do you have severe or chronic calorie restriction in your history?

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on May 08, 2011
at 11:00 PM

"acidity of meats" is not based in reality.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on May 08, 2011
at 10:54 PM

uwiniwin, I didn't lose weight on that level of carbs either, at least not this time around. I had to go to zero carbs to lose weight.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on May 08, 2011
at 10:48 PM

Where did you get the idea that Atkins disallows vegetables. At this point the Atkins Foundation emphasizes vegetables almost above all else.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on May 08, 2011
at 09:53 PM

-applause @ akd- I find it EXTREMELY offensive when certain people treat Paleo like it's some fad diet that they can just quit when it inconveniences them. I'm Paleo for life; it chose me, not the other way around. Truly, it's the only way I can control my chronic health issues. Sure, I've gained (and lost) weight on Paleo and had some other problems while trying to find the right balance here, but I can't just throw my hands in the air and quit because the alternative -- returning to SAD -- is just too excruciating to think about.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on May 08, 2011
at 07:30 PM

Most days yes. Today I had a sweet potato - so not today!

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 08, 2011
at 05:08 PM

I am not obsessed with weight, or scales. I currently do no activity that might build muscle. I weigh myself every couple of days if I think of it, and it's always within a 2-3 lb window, which I attribute to normal fluctuations in water etc. My clothes do not fit differently. I was only stating my experience, because it seems to be different from the mantra I see daily here: Fat will melt away if you cut out carbs and stress, eat more fat, and get more sleep. I am not complaining. However, I am wondering what it would take for me.. Calorie restriction? Exercise? Vitamin D? Who knows..

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on May 08, 2011
at 04:16 PM

Great links :)..

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:06 PM

you need to stop cheating and stick to the plan 100% or it simply wont work. you have mentioned several "cheats" here before that certainly would make things come to a halt. and not to burst your bubble, but youre not going to model for victorias secret. sorry. give u the dream. there are three billion women in the world and about ten of them are VS models. if thats what youre aiming for, then of course youre going to be disapointed. also its ONLY BEEN A MONTH and you have not even been strict with yourself. ive been paleo, strictly, for 7 months and lost 30 pounds. ITS NOT A CRASH DIET.

Af939911afa817f79a4625d4f503c735

(552)

on May 08, 2011
at 11:55 AM

I'm not sure there's really a "standard Paleo diet". It's highly individual and requires tinkering to find what works for you. Most people recommend low carb/high fat, but if if you've genuinely tried that with no success, then try something else. Why are so many people still obsessed with scale weight? The scale is not the best way to measure your progress, especially if you're doing any activity that might build muscle.

B7fec4bf394de8dfa6403067aea94e1b

(1546)

on May 08, 2011
at 05:36 AM

Do slow stuff and strength training would be my suggestion. I find that cutting stress is nearly impossible most of the time since I have a very stressful job overseas with family problems and a divorce-in-process back in the US. I take out the aggression and frustration on the mountains or while working out and that helps me focus and stave off anxiety.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:41 AM

I didn't think your BodyPump was useless. I know it wasn't helping you, but I think the lifting was good. If running makes you feel good though, that's good too.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:38 AM

Also, you shouldn't be trying to IF yet. You need to fix your damaged metabolism before you throw those things in there. I am not worried about dairy. I remember you eating toast because you didn't want to offend someone. You are obviously not doing everything right FOR YOU. You can't keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Pick something you want to change, more/less fat, more/less protein, more/less carbs and stick to it for a month. I offer again to review your food logs with you.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:37 AM

Also, you shouldn't be trying to IF yet. You need to fix your damaged metabolism before you through those things in there. I am not worried about dairy. I remember you eating toast because you didn't want to offend someone. You are obviously not doing everything right FOR YOU. You can't keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Pick something you want to change, more/less fat, more/less protein, more/less carbs and stick to it for a month. I offer again to review your food logs with you.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:34 AM

Did you miss the part where I said what he is doing doesn't matter? Oranges, sweetie, please, please stop comparing yourself to him. My husband is 6'2" and 160lbs, for 1/2 of our relationship I weighed MORE Than him. He loses 10 lbs taking a dump. Nothing I can do about it, all I could do was fix myself.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:25 AM

I even skipped dinner twice this week thinking maybe that was the issue. **no change whatsoever**

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:23 AM

I've been pretty strict paleo this whole time except for the dairy part that people get hung up on. I eat meat, veggies, the occasional serving of cheese or half & half. Otherwise no grains, no sugar, no fruit, no honey, no bread, nothing. I am doing **everything right** and he is doing everything WRONG and having success. He even SMOKES for gods sake.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:19 AM

Do you supplement with Vit D3? It can help with insulin resistance. 80% of the population is Vit D3 deficient. 5000IU a day will boost your immune system and costs pennys a day. http://www.swansonvitamins.com/NWF391/ItemDetail?n=0 This Now Brand Vit D3 costs a little under five cents a day. Uses olive oil instead of soybean oil as the carrier.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:16 AM

Dr. K - I doubt any doctors would tell me what to do since they're all about the high carb low fat diets. Care to shed any light?

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:15 AM

I don't feel like I'm eating a lot of meat right now as it is, but my protein is probably what's causing the problem. That or I'm just destined to be fat forever :(

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:12 AM

I'm not doing intense workouts. I was under the assumption that Paleo was sort of anti-gym. At any rate, I work in a cube and have a 2 hour daily drive in addition to my 8 hours at work. I don't get enough sleep, but I don't feel my life is stressful. I quit going to the gym recently due to time constraints. Even then everyone said what I was doing at the gym was 'useless' so it doesn't matter. I ran 1.5 miles today. That makes me feel good.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:49 AM

Yeah maybe i'm not insulin resistant. Who knows. Thanks for your replies, i appreciate it.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:46 AM

I understand the ostensible mechanism. I don't know my BG levels, but I was under the impression that eating this way would restore insulin sensitivity. Fwiw, i've never been obese or diabetic. I suffered from vegetarianism and possibly occasional hypoglycemia. I'm leaning towards suspecting thyroid. I don't have health insurance, so blood testing - NMR or otherwise - isn't an ootion.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:39 AM

If you are not insulin resistant, then your pancreas are putting out just enough insulin to handle the carbs and sugar you are ingesting. You are in equilibrium. Hard losers must go zero carb til the targeted weight is achieved...then go back to adding a few carbs to go to equilibrium.

0c0c5c65612425e497b7231c21516943

(1354)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:23 AM

Dave - are you ketogenic now? If so, and you are strict, you can join a FB group called Stellar Health through Ketosis. It is a small good group. I am there, trying to shed!

0c0c5c65612425e497b7231c21516943

(1354)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:22 AM

Paleo has not helped me lose any weight either. I have 15 or so to go, and the scale just won't budge. I know that it is the best way to eat, so I am no way going back. I have horrible sleep, so I think that is part of my problem.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:22 AM

The NMR also measures your sdLDL and your large bouyant LDL.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:21 AM

Uwiniwin, what is your 12hr fasting blood sugar and what is your post prandial reading at 1 hour, 2 hour, and 3 hour? If those post prandial readings are not close to the fasting BG level, it indicates your liver and fat cells are insulin resistant and you cannot draw the energy stored as fat out into the blood stream to use. Thus you will not lose weight. Carbs & protein both spike the insulin. Your insulin resistant fat cells just can't "hear" the insulin you secret to draw out the stored fat. You can get a NMR lipid profile that gives an insulin resistance score or get an hbA1c profile.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:18 AM

Hasn't worked for me either.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:14 AM

I'll give you another angle to think about......25 yr old models are completely leptin sensitive and at peak hormone levels. They Are not special at all.....they are just at an optimal time in their life and you are already passed it. Can you get it back.....yep. Optimization is critical to this conundrum. Context is critical.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:10 AM

Your metabolism is not started because your leptin resistant. Won't lose a pound until you understand how to move it. I'd suggest you spend some time reading or find a good doc and pay them to light you on fire. People don't understand hormones are not just about the level.....your symptoms are direct correlates to receptor resistance or sensitivity irrespective of hormone level. Very key point here. Good luck

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 08, 2011
at 01:45 AM

@Annie - Agreed, no one thing works for everyone. I may try something else, but for now, I eat this this way for health reasons, not cosmetic ones. I knew everyone would tell Oranges to eat more fat, i just wanted to say that the standard paleo diet (?) has not affected my weight.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 08, 2011
at 01:35 AM

I read the book. If it's true, and I'm inclined to believe it, why haven't i lost any weight? None.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on May 08, 2011
at 12:52 AM

everyone says that but I don't think it works for everyone (Including myself.)

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 08, 2011
at 12:50 AM

His point is entirely valid: you do not need vegetables. I went three months eating solely animal products. I love veggies and eat them daily now but if you want to try out serious ketosis then simply ditch the vegetables. Not that big a deal.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7314)

on May 08, 2011
at 12:44 AM

He mentioned in the comments recently that he recommended a moderate carb with zero fructose diet now.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on May 07, 2011
at 10:39 PM

@uwiniwin, then try something else. No one thing works for everyone.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:51 PM

Are you saying that Taubes and Eades are wrong in how the body chemistry works in relation to fat deposition? If they are, can you enlighten us as to how you think we become fat?

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:49 PM

Matthew, Are you saying that Taubes and Eades are wrong about the biology of the body when it comes to fat deposition?

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:46 PM

You need to read Dr Mike's posting and or Taubes' book. If fat cells are insulin resistant, they will not open up to let the fat out of the cells and into the blood stream to be used for energy. Insulin drives fat into the cells and carries it out in folks that are not insulin resistant. Insulin resistant folks have a huge amount of insulin in the blood that is trying to put fat into the cells but can't because they are full and since the insulin is full of sugar/energy it can't pull out the fat out of the cells.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:40 PM

It is dissapointing to see that Dr Eades is still repeating this stuff.

8a8129d053df7365c6529b0c2ac95efb

(284)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:39 PM

thanks, mari! :)

15c286c1a6d10a20e64ea526ca561fcb

on May 07, 2011
at 09:33 PM

I don't mean to hijack oranges13's thread, but I read that book; I eat 80% of calories as fat, I get 20-50 grams of carbs/day - occasionally more. I do NOT eat sugar or use artificial sweeteners. My only exercise comes from walking and biking, slowly, as transportation. I haven't lost a pound. I haven't been focused on weight loss, but I can only wonder -- what would I do if I really wanted to lose weight?

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7314)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:33 PM

You got an upvote here.

8a8129d053df7365c6529b0c2ac95efb

(284)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:30 PM

i don't know if i agree about the not having veggies...i think veggies are very important to counter the acididy of meats...and they give you fiber. everyone needs fiber. i don't think you have to cut out veggies, but just my opinion! :)

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:29 PM

This explanation contradicts itself. If fat cells are insulin resistant they will by definition not respond to insulin, therefor the fat will not stay in the fat cells.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:03 PM

I'd agree. Go keto at least for two weeks, maybe a month and then see where you're at.

15c286c1a6d10a20e64ea526ca561fcb

on May 07, 2011
at 08:33 PM

approx 80% of my calories come from fat. 3+ months, 0 weight loss.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 07, 2011
at 08:20 PM

Do I need to eliminate Tomatoes too?!

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 07, 2011
at 08:17 PM

So is this a pretty decent list? http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/fructose-intolerance/AN01574 Sorbitol.. damn, I thought that was ok in small doses.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on May 07, 2011
at 08:13 PM

What you are doing is not working. That's the problem. Go on VLC (my idea) or try someone else's idea, but don't keep doing what isn't working.

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(3946)

on May 07, 2011
at 08:11 PM

Up your fat, lower your carbs.

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on May 07, 2011
at 08:09 PM

I totally understand the wanting to lose weight and as another 40 year old woman maybe it's just a different way of thinking now but you should want to eat this way, and lose your weight so that you are healthier and live a long time. Who gives a rats ass about being a size 2 or looking like a VS model? You're too hard on yourself and causing yourself stress that doesn't help you if just being a size 2 is is your goal. Don't fixate on a size that doesn't even mean anything, clothing sizes aren't standardized so depending on where you shop a size 2 could be a size 8. Also I agree with Pam.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on May 07, 2011
at 07:59 PM

Yeah, me too. Love my kale and spinach too (which Akins actually allows.) I'm only 26 so being stalled seems weird to me. I always thought it was something older women experienced.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

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on May 07, 2011
at 07:56 PM

So if what you are doing is not working, try lowering your protein and carbs, and up the fat.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

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on May 07, 2011
at 07:51 PM

Well considering I don't have a "rack" so to speak, its probably the best I can do. I just want that size 2 waist...

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

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on May 07, 2011
at 07:51 PM

I've never done Atkins, but personally I'd feel weird not eating vegetables on a regular basis. I LOVE my broccoli and cauliflower.

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on May 07, 2011
at 07:50 PM

Less carbs, more fat, IMHO.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

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on May 07, 2011
at 07:50 PM

That's basically what I'm doing. Using fatsecret.com it usually comes out to 20-30% protien, 15-20% carb (usually from veggies, etc), and the rest is fat. I'm not going *out of my way* to scarf down butter or anything but I do eat eggs frequently and I don't go out of my way to cut the fat off my steaks either.

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on May 07, 2011
at 07:45 PM

I dont know if i buy into the more fat thing...i think (personal opinion :) ) a lot of veggies, natural lean meat and wild fish, plus fruit is the way to go! :)

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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at 07:44 PM

I'm having the same problem and I'm breastfeeding which theoretically should be burning an extra 500-700 cals a day! It's weird too because a few years ago I had great (but not Longterm) success with Atkins. I Have no idea what I'm doing wrong.

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at 07:43 PM

What are your percentages of fat, protein and carbs?

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7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

on May 07, 2011
at 11:56 PM

First of all, stop comparing yourself and your boyfriend. No. Really. STOP IT. Men have completely different weight loss issues than women, plus no two people lose weight exactly the same. You need to find what works for you.

I would love to work with you and see your food logs daily. Is there any chance I can talk you into signing up on Livestrong? That way I could see and comment on your food logs. You can friend me as sherpamelissa there too.

There is a way to make Paleo work for you. You may need to go high fat/lower carb or you may need to go higher fat/lower protein. You need to pick a new protocol and stick to it for a month and see what happens.

I know you were having some issues with food choices at work or at restaurants, is that still an issue or have you been able to stay stricter this last month?

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:34 AM

Did you miss the part where I said what he is doing doesn't matter? Oranges, sweetie, please, please stop comparing yourself to him. My husband is 6'2" and 160lbs, for 1/2 of our relationship I weighed MORE Than him. He loses 10 lbs taking a dump. Nothing I can do about it, all I could do was fix myself.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:37 AM

Also, you shouldn't be trying to IF yet. You need to fix your damaged metabolism before you through those things in there. I am not worried about dairy. I remember you eating toast because you didn't want to offend someone. You are obviously not doing everything right FOR YOU. You can't keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Pick something you want to change, more/less fat, more/less protein, more/less carbs and stick to it for a month. I offer again to review your food logs with you.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:23 AM

I've been pretty strict paleo this whole time except for the dairy part that people get hung up on. I eat meat, veggies, the occasional serving of cheese or half & half. Otherwise no grains, no sugar, no fruit, no honey, no bread, nothing. I am doing **everything right** and he is doing everything WRONG and having success. He even SMOKES for gods sake.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:38 AM

Also, you shouldn't be trying to IF yet. You need to fix your damaged metabolism before you throw those things in there. I am not worried about dairy. I remember you eating toast because you didn't want to offend someone. You are obviously not doing everything right FOR YOU. You can't keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Pick something you want to change, more/less fat, more/less protein, more/less carbs and stick to it for a month. I offer again to review your food logs with you.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:25 AM

I even skipped dinner twice this week thinking maybe that was the issue. **no change whatsoever**

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:15 AM

I don't feel like I'm eating a lot of meat right now as it is, but my protein is probably what's causing the problem. That or I'm just destined to be fat forever :(

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79648d1e9f1a8d25d9450a8a1d18fe64

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on May 07, 2011
at 07:37 PM

First, as a 40 year old female I think most Victoria's Secret models are built like 12 year old boys but opinions vary. Second, I'm not a P.h.D. but I think you aren't eating enough. 1600-1800 seems low for someone at 187 pounds. Remember to let go of the calories in/calories out paradigm. It is incorrect. Eat more fat.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 07, 2011
at 07:51 PM

Well considering I don't have a "rack" so to speak, its probably the best I can do. I just want that size 2 waist...

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:14 AM

I'll give you another angle to think about......25 yr old models are completely leptin sensitive and at peak hormone levels. They Are not special at all.....they are just at an optimal time in their life and you are already passed it. Can you get it back.....yep. Optimization is critical to this conundrum. Context is critical.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on May 07, 2011
at 08:09 PM

I totally understand the wanting to lose weight and as another 40 year old woman maybe it's just a different way of thinking now but you should want to eat this way, and lose your weight so that you are healthier and live a long time. Who gives a rats ass about being a size 2 or looking like a VS model? You're too hard on yourself and causing yourself stress that doesn't help you if just being a size 2 is is your goal. Don't fixate on a size that doesn't even mean anything, clothing sizes aren't standardized so depending on where you shop a size 2 could be a size 8. Also I agree with Pam.

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B7fec4bf394de8dfa6403067aea94e1b

on May 08, 2011
at 03:47 AM

Don't compare yourself to your boyfriend unless you can see what his insides look like and see into the future to find out how he fares. Men too, hit brick walls, and women too, continually lose weight and reach their goals.

I got over my plateau recently and went down from a 12 to an 8 (so far) by including strength training. No, I don't look like a body builder, but the fat melted off to reveal the figure underneath that was previously shrouded in fat rolls. When I had problems with PCOS, I bulked up but didn't lose fat, but now, eating very low carb, I'm seeing muscle tone on a smaller body and not just mass on a big body.

I started eating less fish and more fatty meat and cut out all processed meat (including bacon). I go to bed earlier to get more sleep so my body recovers. I also am eating less fruits and vegetables. I need the muscle to increase insulin sensitivity and my overall metabolic rate. To stay strong, you have to eat more and not skip meals if you're hungry. I do some cardio work, like sprinting and jump roping, and mostly slow things like hiking, bike riding, resistance and strength training. I walk to the grocery store and carry heavy bags home. I do the strength training about 2-3 times a week for 15-30 minutes at a time, gradually increasing and broadening the workout. This includes things like body weight resistance exercises like push-ups and hatha yoga to small trips to a public weight room up a mountain nearby. I work 50 hours a week teaching ESL to young children so I don't have time to go to a gym after work. I work out a lot at home while my dinner is cooking/cooling/marinating.

I agree with everyone else that you should eat more - more protein and less carbs. If your body gets into the habit of starving early on and on a regular basis, it's going to want to hold onto fat for fuel. Eat the veggies you like but don't make them the bulk of your meals. Sometimes I just have mine in the morning with my eggs and don't eat them for lunch or dinner.

I found that in the beginning, when I was wearing a size 18/20 and weighing about 200 lbs., that trying to purposely eat more fat that wasn't incidental, like on the meat I was eating, wasn't helping. I was able to increase the fat as I reduced the carbs, but I ate when I was hungry, and ate until I was full and didn't count calories.

Keep in mind too that your body is healing on the inside and outside. Mine took a lot of work. My pancreas and thyroid adjusted and had to learn that the rest of my body wasn't ignoring them anymore. My hormones leveled out, and my body had to figure out what to do with the food I was eating that now could be used as fuel rather than poison to be neutralized. It also had to figure out what to do with all the extra energy I was giving it by eating more.

Weight loss doesn't always equal getting healthy (Medifast/bulimia). Your body may be warming the engines now for the big race so that before you know it, you'll walk out of Lane Bryant empty-handed and elated that everything is too big for you.

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(1546)

on May 18, 2011
at 11:53 PM

Congrats on the weight loss! I find that eating the protein and fat first then any vegetables makes me feel full faster.I did start doing IF usually after or before a workout, randomly, either skipping or putting off meals. I haven't fasted for an entire day yet. On days I might go for a big hike, I might just have dinner. It's been great though, not shopping in "big size" stores anymore and going shopping with the other teachers.

1b85b7649707eb07f26bb0fb0dc874c1

(125)

on May 18, 2011
at 05:35 PM

Congrats on breaking your plateau. I went from an 18/20 at 220, to a 12/14 at 185, to a 10/12 at 145-150. I've been stuck in this range since January. My ideal is to fit a size 8 comfortably. I'm curious if you did any IF, to help you with your 12 to 8 breakthrough. I've been concentrating mastering the eat when you are hungry, stop when you are full: it's a challenge, to say the least. p.s. I have to say I resonate so much with the joy of knowing that nothing in Lane Bryant fits because it's too big.

B7fec4bf394de8dfa6403067aea94e1b

(1546)

on June 07, 2011
at 03:17 PM

It took me about five months to go from an 18 to a 12, and then I hit a plateau for four months before I included strength training to drop to a 6 now. Are you still doing low calorie eating?

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on June 07, 2011
at 03:02 PM

How long did it take, because I'm pissed off that I've been doing this for almost 4 months now and have seen basically zero progress. I still have 38+% body fat, I still weigh 190, I'm still wearing the same clothes.

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on May 07, 2011
at 10:47 PM

I strongly urge you to read the following two posts. Then read them again. And then read the comments.

http://www.archevore.com/panu-weblog/2009/8/27/how-to-lose-weight.html

http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2008/05/weight-loss-when-its-hard.html

It ain't easy. I struggle too. I need to drop another 50-60 pounds and I've been on a plateau for a while. But when I follow the advice above, it works. I basically have to go ketogenic to keep my blood sugar and insulin stable (meaning low enough) to lose fat.

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(1354)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:23 AM

Dave - are you ketogenic now? If so, and you are strict, you can join a FB group called Stellar Health through Ketosis. It is a small good group. I am there, trying to shed!

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on May 08, 2011
at 07:30 PM

Most days yes. Today I had a sweet potato - so not today!

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on May 08, 2011
at 04:16 PM

Great links :)..

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06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 07, 2011
at 08:06 PM

Dr Mike Eades has a posting today regarding this issue in relationship to Gary Taubes' book WHY WE GET FAT AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT. http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/why-we-get-fat/

You basically have too much insulin in your system and it won't let the fat out of your cells. Your fat cells are insulin resistant.

You can make headway but you have to strictly follow the ketogenic program...unlike your BF who can make headway without such a strict protocal.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:49 PM

Matthew, Are you saying that Taubes and Eades are wrong about the biology of the body when it comes to fat deposition?

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:49 AM

Yeah maybe i'm not insulin resistant. Who knows. Thanks for your replies, i appreciate it.

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(15976)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:03 PM

I'd agree. Go keto at least for two weeks, maybe a month and then see where you're at.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 08, 2011
at 01:35 AM

I read the book. If it's true, and I'm inclined to believe it, why haven't i lost any weight? None.

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(19235)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:29 PM

This explanation contradicts itself. If fat cells are insulin resistant they will by definition not respond to insulin, therefor the fat will not stay in the fat cells.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:51 PM

Are you saying that Taubes and Eades are wrong in how the body chemistry works in relation to fat deposition? If they are, can you enlighten us as to how you think we become fat?

15c286c1a6d10a20e64ea526ca561fcb

on May 07, 2011
at 09:33 PM

I don't mean to hijack oranges13's thread, but I read that book; I eat 80% of calories as fat, I get 20-50 grams of carbs/day - occasionally more. I do NOT eat sugar or use artificial sweeteners. My only exercise comes from walking and biking, slowly, as transportation. I haven't lost a pound. I haven't been focused on weight loss, but I can only wonder -- what would I do if I really wanted to lose weight?

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:39 AM

If you are not insulin resistant, then your pancreas are putting out just enough insulin to handle the carbs and sugar you are ingesting. You are in equilibrium. Hard losers must go zero carb til the targeted weight is achieved...then go back to adding a few carbs to go to equilibrium.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:19 AM

Do you supplement with Vit D3? It can help with insulin resistance. 80% of the population is Vit D3 deficient. 5000IU a day will boost your immune system and costs pennys a day. http://www.swansonvitamins.com/NWF391/ItemDetail?n=0 This Now Brand Vit D3 costs a little under five cents a day. Uses olive oil instead of soybean oil as the carrier.

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(19235)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:40 PM

It is dissapointing to see that Dr Eades is still repeating this stuff.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:22 AM

The NMR also measures your sdLDL and your large bouyant LDL.

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(18696)

on May 08, 2011
at 10:54 PM

uwiniwin, I didn't lose weight on that level of carbs either, at least not this time around. I had to go to zero carbs to lose weight.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 09, 2011
at 04:01 PM

It's so hard to believe that so few carbs really makes the difference! I'm surely in ketosis.. But y'all would know! I might try it and see! Thx for your replies. :)

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:46 AM

I understand the ostensible mechanism. I don't know my BG levels, but I was under the impression that eating this way would restore insulin sensitivity. Fwiw, i've never been obese or diabetic. I suffered from vegetarianism and possibly occasional hypoglycemia. I'm leaning towards suspecting thyroid. I don't have health insurance, so blood testing - NMR or otherwise - isn't an ootion.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 09, 2011
at 03:00 AM

Hm. So if I want to start losing weight, I wonder if going zero-carb is preferable to re-implememting some exercise. ..Both?

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:46 PM

You need to read Dr Mike's posting and or Taubes' book. If fat cells are insulin resistant, they will not open up to let the fat out of the cells and into the blood stream to be used for energy. Insulin drives fat into the cells and carries it out in folks that are not insulin resistant. Insulin resistant folks have a huge amount of insulin in the blood that is trying to put fat into the cells but can't because they are full and since the insulin is full of sugar/energy it can't pull out the fat out of the cells.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:21 AM

Uwiniwin, what is your 12hr fasting blood sugar and what is your post prandial reading at 1 hour, 2 hour, and 3 hour? If those post prandial readings are not close to the fasting BG level, it indicates your liver and fat cells are insulin resistant and you cannot draw the energy stored as fat out into the blood stream to use. Thus you will not lose weight. Carbs & protein both spike the insulin. Your insulin resistant fat cells just can't "hear" the insulin you secret to draw out the stored fat. You can get a NMR lipid profile that gives an insulin resistance score or get an hbA1c profile.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 10, 2011
at 04:57 AM

If you want to lose, don't look for a shortcut. Things I have not fully grasped yet is the role leptin plays in our bodies and how one reverses leptin resistance. I have used copy of MASTERING LEPTIN coming but Dr. K said I have the 2nd edition ordered...not the more current 3rd edition. And then there is ghrellin hormone..the hunger hormone. And there is PPY hormone that is susposed to tell us when food reaches the end of the small intestine that we should stop eating.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 09, 2011
at 04:42 AM

Unless you don't respond like other people, the only thing that can cause a rise in your insulin on a zero carb regime is protein...so keep it 15% or less. Your body may rebel for a while until it switches your gut enzymes from burning carbs to burning fat. Exercise in the form of walking and doing tabata sprints (5 minutes total) twice a week is fine...but no more. You don't want any cortisol buildup to blunt your weight loss. But many many people can drop weight without any exercise whatsoever on a zero carb program.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 10, 2011
at 04:40 AM

The only exercise I get is on a softball field 3x per week plus twice a week tabata windsprints for 5 minutes. I can tell you I still have a little pooch belly that I have been working on...left over from my huge wheat belly of three years ago. BTW I am 68 years old and abused by body mercilessly with 40oz cokes everyday for 30 years. Now I am taking care of myself so that my remaining time will be the best quality that I can have. No nursing home for me! Cal in/cal out metabolically doesn't work out unless you are in a concentration camp where you lose muscle mass as well as fat.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 10, 2011
at 02:31 AM

@Dexter - I just noticed on an old thread, you mention that you were restricting calories, or y'know.. counting them. This surprises me coming from such a "Taubes-ian". I don't count or restrict, but a few of the times I've plugged my meals into the the data-crunchers (i rarely do it) I come up 2000+. (allow me to re-state: I've not hitherto been focused on weight loss). Considering I don't work-out, I'm wondering about your take on the calories in/out conundrum and if restricting somewhat would be more/as beneficial than/as ZC. @Ambimorph: Do you count calories?

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 10, 2011
at 05:08 AM

All these various hormones interact and regulate food intake. These hormones seem to work well on a ketogenic diet, but throw in some neolithic wheat or sugar and then they seem to get all screwed up. I have been weight stable for over a year or so, indicating to me that I am in a state of homeostasis. And best of all, I feel absolutely fantastic. I have TC around 400, LDL around 350 of which 91.5% is large bouyant. Fasting Blood Sugar 74. And finally it is known that folks with high cholesterol live longer and have better cognitive skills than folks that have lower numbers.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 10, 2011
at 04:33 AM

Yeah, I do restrict calories in the form of intermittant fasting twice a week. I eat dinner then no breakfast, no lunch and no dinner, then I eat 6 eggs, bacon, a small yam. But I do not count calories. I just eat til I am satiated. The only other carbs I have- a green salad which includes leafy greens, bell peppers, avos, cabbage, broccoli, califlower, bacon bits, and olive oil and vinegar in copious amounts. Started 3 years ago at 210 and now 160 on 6'2" frame with this regime. 80-85% fat, 15-20% protein and less than 5% carbs. Most of the fat is saturated from coconut oil and animal fat

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(3946)

on May 07, 2011
at 08:03 PM

If what you are doing (20-30% protein and 15-20% carbs) is not working, and you are exasperated, why don't you try something else? Up your fat to at least 70%, preferably 80-85% and see what your results are.
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6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on May 07, 2011
at 08:11 PM

Up your fat, lower your carbs.

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(7314)

on May 08, 2011
at 12:44 AM

He mentioned in the comments recently that he recommended a moderate carb with zero fructose diet now.

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on May 07, 2011
at 07:55 PM

Start skipping breakfast and eat WAY bigger meals for lunch and dinner. Then add a couple times a week walk to your regiment.

Be sure to totally eliminate fructose.

Make sure you have good data: scales suck. Just do body fat analysis.

And remember, this is a slow and steady process.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 07, 2011
at 08:17 PM

So is this a pretty decent list? http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/fructose-intolerance/AN01574 Sorbitol.. damn, I thought that was ok in small doses.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 07, 2011
at 08:20 PM

Do I need to eliminate Tomatoes too?!

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(1048)

on May 11, 2011
at 05:11 PM

I scanned all the previous answers and did not see this mentioned.. apologize if it was.

She is 187lbs and eating 1600-1800 calories.. sounds like she is starving her self imho.

Oranges13 why not spend 1-2 weeks eating till your full? I think purposefully trying to attain a deficit might be holding you back, eat 3 meals a day, breakfast lunch and dinner and eat till full. If you need a number id say you should be hitting around 2200 calories a day to be honest. You wont gain weight and probably boost your metabolism.

Also up your protein intake.

Good luck, stalls suck.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 11, 2011
at 11:22 PM

I've heard it both ways. Eat more, eat less. Ugh, so confusing! Thanks for the input though. I just.. if I gain the 10 pounds back that I have lost I will be *so* miserable.

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on May 07, 2011
at 09:10 PM

I'm not an expert here, but you might consider using coconut oil instead of butter or ghee for awhile. Also taking some coconut oil before meals (up to 2 tablespoons) could help with metabolism issues. I would not be afraid of fat, and definitely reduce vegetables to the bare minimum, and be careful of any sauces/condiments. I know that if I get any form of MSG it stalls out my weight loss.

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on May 07, 2011
at 09:10 PM

In the short run, you don't need veggies--we've just all been conditioned to think that a few meals without them will result in something close to death.

No one knows what will correct your problem and get your body to release fat--you'll probably need to experiment. Women seem to find it harder than men. I would suggest dipping frequently into ketosis (VLC/IF) as a first thing to try, along with lots of sleep, reduced stress (house hunting can be a real pain), walks, and occasional short bouts of very intense exercise. That might work very well for you. If not, you might need to try something else.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 08, 2011
at 12:50 AM

His point is entirely valid: you do not need vegetables. I went three months eating solely animal products. I love veggies and eat them daily now but if you want to try out serious ketosis then simply ditch the vegetables. Not that big a deal.

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(284)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:30 PM

i don't know if i agree about the not having veggies...i think veggies are very important to counter the acididy of meats...and they give you fiber. everyone needs fiber. i don't think you have to cut out veggies, but just my opinion! :)

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on May 08, 2011
at 11:00 PM

"acidity of meats" is not based in reality.

1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

(3789)

on May 11, 2011
at 03:27 PM

Folks like the Inuit and the Maasai demonstrate that veggies are not necessary for health. I eat plenty of them myself, but then I don't have a weight loss stalling problem.

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Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 08, 2011
at 01:05 AM

Are you chronically stressed? Is your boyfriend easygoing? Constantly elevated cortisol can compete with decreased insulin and lead to stalled, slowed, or even reversed fat loss, just depends on the strength of each signal and your sensitivities to each hormone. Both factors are genetic to some extent and may vary between you and your boyfriend, even given the same stress level, hence the varied results.

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Af939911afa817f79a4625d4f503c735

on May 07, 2011
at 11:19 PM

Relax, stop counting calories, throw away your scale, and eat more food.

Make sure that you're getting 8+ hours of really solid sleep in a pitch-black room every night. Limit stress as much as possible (like worrying too much about your scale weight).

Don't eat fruit or nuts.

EAT BREAKFAST! And lunch. And dinner. Protein and fat at every meal, and add leafy greens if you want them.

Walk around some, lift heavy things, and eat enough to fuel your activity level.

Did I mention you should throw away your scale? And I mean both the one you use on yourself and the one you use for your food... :)

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on May 08, 2011
at 12:52 AM

everyone says that but I don't think it works for everyone (Including myself.)

0c0c5c65612425e497b7231c21516943

(1354)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:22 AM

Paleo has not helped me lose any weight either. I have 15 or so to go, and the scale just won't budge. I know that it is the best way to eat, so I am no way going back. I have horrible sleep, so I think that is part of my problem.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 08, 2011
at 02:18 AM

Hasn't worked for me either.

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:02 PM

Like many said, you could go VLC for a month or so. At least give it a shot for two weeks or so. If you have that much weight to lose I'd say keto will help. Morning fasted walks will help. Then eat fat and meat for lunch and dinner with minimal veggies. I LOVE veggies and although they don't seem like they have carbs if you eat them like I do for dinner you can easily get 50-100 grams of carb down. Usually that's fine but if you're stuck, eliminate them. What's the worst that can happen?

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1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

on May 28, 2011
at 03:50 PM

Just thought I'd let you know that My plateau that lasted over a month finally went away. I'm really glad I stuck with it. I even cheated once and started having a half a sweet potato once a week (with brunch on Saturday's) and I've lost another 9 lbs in 3 weeks. Keep up with it. Don't give up. I was seriously considering giving up and going back to weight watchers and i'm glad I didn't. WW's always made me starving and zippy in a bad way.

Good luck!

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on June 07, 2011
at 03:02 PM

Sorry, Chica. That's rough.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on June 07, 2011
at 02:55 PM

Still plateauing ...

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F6ea948ab43dc51d72509c0989e670fe

(1639)

on May 08, 2011
at 06:12 AM

I saw in your above answer that you might not get enough sleep.

If I can't stress it enough, you need sleep. Cortisol production can seriously inhibit your weight loss.

I know, because I was there. Blackout blinds are now in my room, and I make sure to get at least 8-10 hours a night. More if I think I need it. I know that when I go on vacation next week I have an appointment with sleep, no alarm clock allowed. I'm thinking 15-16 hours each day :)

I also would recommend Robb Wolf's book the paleo solution if you haven't read it. He mentions alpha lineolic acid and l-carnitine deficiency, magnesium (fizzy stuff), plus the enzymes for food. I know I added them and I feel better.

I also made sure to cut out the bad stuff. No potatoes, no dairy (well, I eat butter, but will cut that out too if needed) in addition to all the normal stuff I should cut out, and focus on a gram of protein per lb of bodyweight, some veggies, and fat till I'm satiated.

I was at a stop for weightloss for the past 3-4 weeks or so, but am finally starting to see progress again. I'm not sure if it's one specific thing on the list, but I'm at least happy to see something happen.

Oh, and one final thing. A measuring tape would help more than a scale. At least then you could see if something is happening.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 08, 2011
at 01:28 AM

Oranges13

This is unusual! If you're no grains, no sugar, no processed food, no legumes, eating 60/20/10 (fat, protein, carbs), being active and doing intense workouts, have healthy social life, spend time in nature, and eating beef fat, lamb, and avacados, and fasting, then you may be one of few to not lose weight.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:12 AM

I'm not doing intense workouts. I was under the assumption that Paleo was sort of anti-gym. At any rate, I work in a cube and have a 2 hour daily drive in addition to my 8 hours at work. I don't get enough sleep, but I don't feel my life is stressful. I quit going to the gym recently due to time constraints. Even then everyone said what I was doing at the gym was 'useless' so it doesn't matter. I ran 1.5 miles today. That makes me feel good.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 08, 2011
at 03:41 AM

I didn't think your BodyPump was useless. I know it wasn't helping you, but I think the lifting was good. If running makes you feel good though, that's good too.

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15c286c1a6d10a20e64ea526ca561fcb

on May 07, 2011
at 07:43 PM

I haven't lost a bit of weight, myself. It's not my Paleo raison d'etre, but nevertheless, IT WOULD BE NICE. I'm about 20-25 lbs overweight.

Your weight loss the first week was "water-weight". Sadly it'll come right back if you go back to your old ways.

I'm interested in the answers of others. I think they are going to say: Eat more fat, sleep more, cut the stress. Sigh. Shrug.

I still can't figure out if I should start running again, or not.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on May 07, 2011
at 07:50 PM

Less carbs, more fat, IMHO.

15c286c1a6d10a20e64ea526ca561fcb

on May 07, 2011
at 08:33 PM

approx 80% of my calories come from fat. 3+ months, 0 weight loss.

Af939911afa817f79a4625d4f503c735

(552)

on May 08, 2011
at 11:55 AM

I'm not sure there's really a "standard Paleo diet". It's highly individual and requires tinkering to find what works for you. Most people recommend low carb/high fat, but if if you've genuinely tried that with no success, then try something else. Why are so many people still obsessed with scale weight? The scale is not the best way to measure your progress, especially if you're doing any activity that might build muscle.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 08, 2011
at 05:08 PM

I am not obsessed with weight, or scales. I currently do no activity that might build muscle. I weigh myself every couple of days if I think of it, and it's always within a 2-3 lb window, which I attribute to normal fluctuations in water etc. My clothes do not fit differently. I was only stating my experience, because it seems to be different from the mantra I see daily here: Fat will melt away if you cut out carbs and stress, eat more fat, and get more sleep. I am not complaining. However, I am wondering what it would take for me.. Calorie restriction? Exercise? Vitamin D? Who knows..

B7fec4bf394de8dfa6403067aea94e1b

(1546)

on May 08, 2011
at 05:36 AM

Do slow stuff and strength training would be my suggestion. I find that cutting stress is nearly impossible most of the time since I have a very stressful job overseas with family problems and a divorce-in-process back in the US. I take out the aggression and frustration on the mountains or while working out and that helps me focus and stave off anxiety.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on May 07, 2011
at 10:39 PM

@uwiniwin, then try something else. No one thing works for everyone.

8a8129d053df7365c6529b0c2ac95efb

(284)

on May 07, 2011
at 07:45 PM

I dont know if i buy into the more fat thing...i think (personal opinion :) ) a lot of veggies, natural lean meat and wild fish, plus fruit is the way to go! :)

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on May 08, 2011
at 11:03 PM

uwiniwin, just curious - do you have severe or chronic calorie restriction in your history?

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 08, 2011
at 01:45 AM

@Annie - Agreed, no one thing works for everyone. I may try something else, but for now, I eat this this way for health reasons, not cosmetic ones. I knew everyone would tell Oranges to eat more fat, i just wanted to say that the standard paleo diet (?) has not affected my weight.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 09, 2011
at 02:32 AM

Welllll Ambimorph, as a matter of fact I do! Not chronic. But yes... I've done some rather extended fasts.. juicing, master-cleansey type stuff. Uh-oh... Ok, whattya got? Lay it on me.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on May 09, 2011
at 11:32 PM

Nothing really, uwiniwin. I've just noticed that some people who have a very hard time losing weight on low carb have long-term semi-starvation diet history. Of course, that could simply be because they've been overweight for a long time and are just more likely to have tried any given weight loss plan. But I've also wondered if they have somehow done some damage that takes longer to correct.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 10, 2011
at 02:47 AM

Yeah, that makes some sense. I've probably messed myself up pretty good. I've done a lot of really long "cleanses" ranging form 7-30 days. Usually yearly, usually around 18-21 days. Perhaps not such a good idea.. I felt it was beneficial-- maybe not so much if the cost was permanent metabolic havoc.

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8a8129d053df7365c6529b0c2ac95efb

(284)

on May 07, 2011
at 07:36 PM

I know, i know, i will get another down vote for this, but here is what i think...i would cut the bacon, and use only very little fat for cooking...also try to eat wild fish and grass fed meat ( i know its really expensive) whenever you can...good luck! :)

8a8129d053df7365c6529b0c2ac95efb

(284)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:39 PM

thanks, mari! :)

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7314)

on May 07, 2011
at 09:33 PM

You got an upvote here.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on May 07, 2011
at 08:13 PM

What you are doing is not working. That's the problem. Go on VLC (my idea) or try someone else's idea, but don't keep doing what isn't working.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on May 07, 2011
at 07:56 PM

So if what you are doing is not working, try lowering your protein and carbs, and up the fat.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on May 07, 2011
at 07:50 PM

That's basically what I'm doing. Using fatsecret.com it usually comes out to 20-30% protien, 15-20% carb (usually from veggies, etc), and the rest is fat. I'm not going *out of my way* to scarf down butter or anything but I do eat eggs frequently and I don't go out of my way to cut the fat off my steaks either.

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