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Paleo for people who just don't like meat?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 14, 2011 at 1:59 PM

I'm a former lacto-ovo vegetarian (about 12 yrs), turned mostly-veg-with-occasional-chicken-or-fish (about 3 yrs), turned pretty-much-each-poultry-or-fish-every-day (the past 7 or so yrs), who is experimenting with a paleo-esque diet.

I'm on Day 5 of eating nothing but chicken, veggies of all kinds (except potatoes), fruit, nuts, nonfat plain yogurt, olive oil, vinegars, and tahini. Drinking only water (lots of it -- I'm thirstier than usual and for the first time in my life actually crave water) and coffee with half-and-half. Switching to full-fat yogurt today after reading thru the paleohacks archives!

I feel great, and according to the scale have lost 6 lbs (which seems kind of ridiculous in 5 days, but I'm choosing to accept it).

Here's my concern/question: Over the years, I've totally lost my appetite for red meat, pork, etc. The possible exception is bacon (who the hell doesn't love bacon?). Other than that the smell, appearance, etc. of it make me vaguely queasy. Nor can I imagine myself eating rabbit, lamb, venison, etc. I don't even like eggs (also queasy-making), though I can do egg whites if well-disguised.

So any thoughts on whether a paleo (or close to it) diet is sustainable with just poultry & fish as the "meat"? I'm including dairy in part to increase the variety of animal-derived protein in the mix. Do I just need to suck it up and eat a steak? Or... some alternative I haven't thought of? If it matters, my primary goal is weight loss, though the more I learn, the more excited I am by the other potential benefits.

Thanks -- this is such a great resource!

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on September 14, 2011
at 11:30 PM

Here's a good first start: http://www.westonaprice.org/food-features/broth-is-beautiful

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on September 14, 2011
at 08:50 PM

Yeah, I'm fascinated by this coconut oil thing in paleo -- planning a trip to the co-op tomorrow to look for some. Thanks!

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on September 14, 2011
at 08:50 PM

I am definitely going to be adding fish. The switch to paleo was very spur of the moment, so I didn't stock up on ingredients, hence chicken, chicken & more chicken. Went shopping today, now I've got some more diversity in my fridge/freezer/pantry. Unfortunately I *also* don't like oily fish or shellfish (I sound like the fussiest person in the world), so I will probably be doing mostly "white" fish (tilapia, magi magi, etc.). So I'm taking salmon oil capsules to try to create some balance.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on September 14, 2011
at 08:46 PM

Thanks for the advice -- I'll have to look into bone broths, don't know much about them. I do love a homemade chicken or turkey soup with broth made from the carcass of a roasted bird.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on September 14, 2011
at 08:42 PM

Thanks! I've started taking salmon oil capsules again as of today (have taken them on & off for years). Re: the yolk vs whites -- I've been eyeing some tasty sounding recipes for paleo pancakes, puddings, and the like (usually made with some combo of almond meal, coconut milk/flour, pumpkin, etc.) that contain whole eggs, which I'm sure I would like -- it's the egg on its own that grosses me out, always liked baked goods that contained egg. So that's more encouragement to try them at some point!

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on September 14, 2011
at 08:37 PM

Thanks, Jessica. I actually ended up eating steak for lunch on the spur of the moment today (out doing errands, talking about pale with my partner, drove by a chain steakhouse and thought -- why not?). Had a moment of doubt when it arrived at the table, but tucked in anyway and it was actually delicious!

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on September 14, 2011
at 06:49 PM

You need to create a meatshare group like the other Melissa ;). I was reading somewhere else about just mixing liver in with ground beef as an alternative way to get it in more easily. I put lots of spices on mine as it is, so if maybe I'd just make a meat chili.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on September 14, 2011
at 06:38 PM

Sadly, I never seem to have that much food budget to buy meat ahead of time, they are so expensive! My family doesn't eat Paleo, so I am not sure how long it would even take me to go through that. Good to know that you like it, though.

3558d8feb56bc681144f87e67140f885

on September 14, 2011
at 06:16 PM

I wish I could tell this to my best friend who is a vegetarian and pregnant. She never feels good and is always queasy, and this is common for all of her pregnancies. But... I try to stay away from the subject of food when talking to her... :-)

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on September 14, 2011
at 04:59 PM

I do get mine from US Wellness. What I did for my first purchase was to split the 7lb min among multiple products, so I only bought 2lb of the braunschweiger. Once I tried it and liked it, I reordered 8 lbs (I've gone thru 3/4 of that ... will be soon time to order more!).

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on September 14, 2011
at 04:56 PM

I get it from US Wellness! They ship it frozen in 1lb packages ... made from grass-fed beef (60%) and grass-fed beef liver (40%). I cut it up into 2-oz pieces and eat 5 of those a week to get 4oz of liver/week. I get it cooked, but you can also get raw.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on September 14, 2011
at 04:52 PM

Where do you buy your braunchweiger? I can't find one without sugar! I read all the labels every time I go to the store. US Wellness Meats wants me to buy 7lbs and I am just not ready to make a commitment like that.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on September 14, 2011
at 03:37 PM

I've yet to try it out again but when I was very young I didn't like bacon ^^, but I hated avocado back then too and now I could eat 5 avocados in a row.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on September 14, 2011
at 03:28 PM

I agree on the yolks...

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on September 14, 2011
at 03:01 PM

Eggs would be great, but only if you eat the yolk - that's where the real nutrition is. Egg whites? Don't bother - just stick with chicken and fish.

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(1130)

on September 14, 2011
at 02:08 PM

You will see yourself if it is sustainable, but I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be.

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8d454fc50d6d58643d6f8b0d1e7ea8ea

on September 14, 2011
at 02:25 PM

I just want to add my own experience - I've also found myself bordering on repulsed by meat (the thought, sight, smell) and then I eat some and feel 1000 times better. It's so counterintuitive. I used to want desperately to be a vegetarian but found that if I didn't eat meat, the queasiness never really went away. The other day I cooked several pots full of beef bone broth and the whole house smelled really funky & I was all, ewwww, meat, but knew from past experience that pulling some off the short ribs off the bone & stuffing it in my mouth would cure what ailed me - and it did. When I was pregnant, cheeseburgers (pre-paleo) were the ultimate cure for my morning sickness.

3558d8feb56bc681144f87e67140f885

on September 14, 2011
at 06:16 PM

I wish I could tell this to my best friend who is a vegetarian and pregnant. She never feels good and is always queasy, and this is common for all of her pregnancies. But... I try to stay away from the subject of food when talking to her... :-)

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on September 14, 2011
at 08:37 PM

Thanks, Jessica. I actually ended up eating steak for lunch on the spur of the moment today (out doing errands, talking about pale with my partner, drove by a chain steakhouse and thought -- why not?). Had a moment of doubt when it arrived at the table, but tucked in anyway and it was actually delicious!

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E95216c62a14d21c371fcbf2fed8469b

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on September 14, 2011
at 03:02 PM

If you don't like it don't eat it. The negative vibes created by doing something you don't want to do will negate the health benefits.

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7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on September 14, 2011
at 04:08 PM

I don't know that you need to eat meat as in muscle meat, but I think you'd be doing yourself a disservice by not including some of the healthy animal fats; they provide micronutrients not easily available in plant food.

I don't care for liver, but it's such a great source of nutrients I eat braunschweiger (which even then I disguise by rolling it up in something else). Fortunately I'm fine with eggs, as the yolks from pastured eggs are also rich in valuable nutrients like choline.

Hopefully you don't have an issue with bone broths ... they are another good source of micronutrients!

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on September 14, 2011
at 04:56 PM

I get it from US Wellness! They ship it frozen in 1lb packages ... made from grass-fed beef (60%) and grass-fed beef liver (40%). I cut it up into 2-oz pieces and eat 5 of those a week to get 4oz of liver/week. I get it cooked, but you can also get raw.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on September 14, 2011
at 08:46 PM

Thanks for the advice -- I'll have to look into bone broths, don't know much about them. I do love a homemade chicken or turkey soup with broth made from the carcass of a roasted bird.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on September 14, 2011
at 04:52 PM

Where do you buy your braunchweiger? I can't find one without sugar! I read all the labels every time I go to the store. US Wellness Meats wants me to buy 7lbs and I am just not ready to make a commitment like that.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on September 14, 2011
at 04:59 PM

I do get mine from US Wellness. What I did for my first purchase was to split the 7lb min among multiple products, so I only bought 2lb of the braunschweiger. Once I tried it and liked it, I reordered 8 lbs (I've gone thru 3/4 of that ... will be soon time to order more!).

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on September 14, 2011
at 06:38 PM

Sadly, I never seem to have that much food budget to buy meat ahead of time, they are so expensive! My family doesn't eat Paleo, so I am not sure how long it would even take me to go through that. Good to know that you like it, though.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on September 14, 2011
at 11:30 PM

Here's a good first start: http://www.westonaprice.org/food-features/broth-is-beautiful

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on September 14, 2011
at 06:49 PM

You need to create a meatshare group like the other Melissa ;). I was reading somewhere else about just mixing liver in with ground beef as an alternative way to get it in more easily. I put lots of spices on mine as it is, so if maybe I'd just make a meat chili.

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1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on September 14, 2011
at 02:14 PM

You can do it just fine. Adding eggs would be better. You might add whey protein. Also take fishoil on days you dont get fish.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on September 14, 2011
at 03:01 PM

Eggs would be great, but only if you eat the yolk - that's where the real nutrition is. Egg whites? Don't bother - just stick with chicken and fish.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on September 14, 2011
at 03:28 PM

I agree on the yolks...

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on September 14, 2011
at 08:42 PM

Thanks! I've started taking salmon oil capsules again as of today (have taken them on & off for years). Re: the yolk vs whites -- I've been eyeing some tasty sounding recipes for paleo pancakes, puddings, and the like (usually made with some combo of almond meal, coconut milk/flour, pumpkin, etc.) that contain whole eggs, which I'm sure I would like -- it's the egg on its own that grosses me out, always liked baked goods that contained egg. So that's more encouragement to try them at some point!

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on September 14, 2011
at 02:56 PM

If you don't want to eat meat, you can still get your saturated fats from coconut oil.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on September 14, 2011
at 08:50 PM

Yeah, I'm fascinated by this coconut oil thing in paleo -- planning a trip to the co-op tomorrow to look for some. Thanks!

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Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

on September 14, 2011
at 02:17 PM

I believe your diet has enough variety, so it should work fine. If you are having much poultry, you should consider the ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 by adding enough fish since chicken is full of omega 6s. Also some nutrients are more abundant in red meat or liver, such as vitamin b12 and others from the B group. But still if you look at the nutrients you are consuming, you are very likely to do very well with your diet!

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on September 14, 2011
at 08:50 PM

I am definitely going to be adding fish. The switch to paleo was very spur of the moment, so I didn't stock up on ingredients, hence chicken, chicken & more chicken. Went shopping today, now I've got some more diversity in my fridge/freezer/pantry. Unfortunately I *also* don't like oily fish or shellfish (I sound like the fussiest person in the world), so I will probably be doing mostly "white" fish (tilapia, magi magi, etc.). So I'm taking salmon oil capsules to try to create some balance.

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