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Not completely paleo

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Created September 16, 2012 at 6:03 AM

I am still trying to begin to adjust to the paleo lifestyle but I am not sure if I will see the results that I am 'promised'. It seems a bit too good to be true that I can eat so much fat and not gain weight...

In saying that, my question is, has anyone out there found that their results have been better whilst still incorporating minimal grain/carbohydrates in their diet, and taking more of a clean eating low carb high protein approach.

I am 19 years old and about 137 pounds and looking to get to about 128-130, however I understand that with weight training I may not get that low. The main issue is maintenance, that once I reach my goal weight I may not want to continue the paleo lifestyle. I'm sure some people beginning the Palaeolithic diet may have similar thoughts to this...

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on September 16, 2012
at 09:27 PM

I completely forgot I made that comment in this thread, JayJay. ;)

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on September 16, 2012
at 06:13 PM

I get the point of diminishing returns comment and agree with it completely as long as we are talking about an otherwise already healthy person.....gut, immune so on and so forth.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on September 16, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Wow....that little comment sure did get some things rolling :)....It was just a little tongue in cheek comment to Matt mainly related to his comment in the OP. Hence the ";)" thingy.

05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

(795)

on September 16, 2012
at 05:30 PM

Exactly, is it me or is the SAD diet uses the food pyramid of death as a template? It's horrible. Thanks luckie, are you a physics student as well? fb me

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on September 16, 2012
at 05:01 PM

THIS! If you believe that grains/legumes/processed stuff isn't ideal for your body, then do Paleo. If you believe that, why would you want to start eating it again? If you don't believe that, why would you go Paleo in the first place? For five or ten vanity pounds, if you're not looking to improve your health and lifestyle, you may as well just go healthy-SAD and eat whole grains and low-fat yogurt. (BTW, Your English is fine, dear. I wouldn't have guessed it wasn't your first language. Also off topic but I looked at your profile. You're a physics student? OMG!!!)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:45 PM

@Jamie, If 3 months of paleo reverses 3 years of SAD, that's a win, even if you have to revisit paleo every 3 years. You can think of paleo as a correction. But I think it's easier to maintain equilibrium with a loose paleo interpretation.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:43 PM

Point being, if one doesn't want to put in the effort to be 80-90% paleo for 90+% results, half-assed paleo gets you nearly all the way there anyway. Assuming you're not really screwed up (which most folks aren't).

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:42 PM

I get where JayJay is coming from. I tend to frown on arbitrary numbers. Paleo is not however exempt from diminishing returns. 50% effort probably produces 80% results. The next 40% of effort nets maybe 10% results. Again random arbitrary numbers, but you get my drift.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:18 PM

Jay jay you have otherwise often good answers, so assume you know this and and just don't like what he wrote. And on a different note in the trial about system II depletion, it can't be the insulin because 1) they used splenda sweetened lemonade vs glucose sweetened lemonade and splenda illicits a dose dependent insulin response and 2) because brain cells do not require insulin. I just suspect that the people are usual carb addicted SAD eaters, so are dependent upon glucose for energy at all times. Results would probably be very different for someone eating an otherwise carb restricted diet.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:07 PM

It is only an arbitrary number if you are dumb enough to take it literally as if it were a scientifically proven fact, and not a common subjective way of saying that x is weighted more heavily y, and will get you most of the way there.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:06 PM

WHen people are talking about abs, and say 80% is nutrition, and only 20% is proper training, rest, recovery, and supplementation. It is only an arbitrary number if you actually dumb enough to take it literally and not as a common way of saying that the x is weighted more heavily than y.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:03 PM

How is 80-90% arbitrary when he means it gets you more than three quarters of the results you could expect from complete elimination?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:40 PM

I love it when people pick arbitrary numbers (80-90% based on what?) for......anything ;)

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:05 PM

I totally enjoy your sentiment on the different kinds of paleo diet, but I do not understand how a short term diet could lead to a sustained weight loss. it would seem to me that if you temporarily practiced a lifestyle/diet to lose weight, and the former lifestyle made u gain it, reverting would result in gaining weight again...

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 16, 2012
at 12:57 PM

I love it when folks pick arbitrary weight loss numbers/goals…

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 16, 2012
at 12:12 PM

Marks daily apple has a mailing list/intro thingy which is a great primer...

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 16, 2012
at 12:10 PM

Medium carbs are fine if they are tubers/roots/fruit/nuts. Why would you want to eat grains though? Id suggest reading more about paleo, perhaps check out marks daily apple or something. Seems like ur still on the learning curve....

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98266ae0c87836d4bb714b6d31cacbf9

on September 16, 2012
at 06:53 AM

If you want to do it just temporary and not as a lifestyle, don't do it. It's as simple as that.

Nothing will guarantee you results. Why don't you try for yourself and see what works? The only grain acceptable to some people is rice, but you aren't going to get many people eating bread on this community. The paleo LIFESTYLE doesn't frown upon carbohydrates, there are plenty of good sources for carbs such as sweet potatoes. But it would be best to keep them low since you want to lose weight.

And stop thinking about the future results, you haven't even begun eating paleo and you are thinking about not sticking to it once you reach your goal weight. That doesn't make sense to ME.

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on September 16, 2012
at 12:54 PM

You call this a lifestyle, and suggest that you only want to do it for weight loss. That's not how it works. Paleo is not about weight loss, it's about health. Some women find that Paleo will not allow them to reach their weight loss goals -- nothing is promised. If you have a preconceived notion of your body image, go on a fad crash diet. If you want to achieve a health ( both body and mind) level you didn't know existed, if you want to learn how to trust your body and reduce sickness -- give it a shot for three months. If it works for you great. If not, what's a quarter of a year in the grand scheme of things?

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61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on September 16, 2012
at 07:07 AM

Honey, this ain't Jenny Craig.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 16, 2012
at 12:56 PM

Paleo, contrary to what many here advocate, is not an all or nothing affair. Sure you can go all Whole30 strict, but that's largely not necessary. Most folks aren't auto-immune, gluten-intolerant glass cannons. Most folks are simply slightly metabolically deranged, slightly leaky gut, resilient humans.

Minimizing problematic foods gets you 80-90% of the results that eliminating them does.

You can use paleo as a weight-loss diet, just as much as you can make it a longer-term lifestyle.

Ultimately, there's no one way to do paleo.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:07 PM

It is only an arbitrary number if you are dumb enough to take it literally as if it were a scientifically proven fact, and not a common subjective way of saying that x is weighted more heavily y, and will get you most of the way there.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:45 PM

@Jamie, If 3 months of paleo reverses 3 years of SAD, that's a win, even if you have to revisit paleo every 3 years. You can think of paleo as a correction. But I think it's easier to maintain equilibrium with a loose paleo interpretation.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:18 PM

Jay jay you have otherwise often good answers, so assume you know this and and just don't like what he wrote. And on a different note in the trial about system II depletion, it can't be the insulin because 1) they used splenda sweetened lemonade vs glucose sweetened lemonade and splenda illicits a dose dependent insulin response and 2) because brain cells do not require insulin. I just suspect that the people are usual carb addicted SAD eaters, so are dependent upon glucose for energy at all times. Results would probably be very different for someone eating an otherwise carb restricted diet.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:06 PM

WHen people are talking about abs, and say 80% is nutrition, and only 20% is proper training, rest, recovery, and supplementation. It is only an arbitrary number if you actually dumb enough to take it literally and not as a common way of saying that the x is weighted more heavily than y.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on September 16, 2012
at 06:13 PM

I get the point of diminishing returns comment and agree with it completely as long as we are talking about an otherwise already healthy person.....gut, immune so on and so forth.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:43 PM

Point being, if one doesn't want to put in the effort to be 80-90% paleo for 90+% results, half-assed paleo gets you nearly all the way there anyway. Assuming you're not really screwed up (which most folks aren't).

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:03 PM

How is 80-90% arbitrary when he means it gets you more than three quarters of the results you could expect from complete elimination?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on September 16, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Wow....that little comment sure did get some things rolling :)....It was just a little tongue in cheek comment to Matt mainly related to his comment in the OP. Hence the ";)" thingy.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:42 PM

I get where JayJay is coming from. I tend to frown on arbitrary numbers. Paleo is not however exempt from diminishing returns. 50% effort probably produces 80% results. The next 40% of effort nets maybe 10% results. Again random arbitrary numbers, but you get my drift.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:40 PM

I love it when people pick arbitrary numbers (80-90% based on what?) for......anything ;)

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:05 PM

I totally enjoy your sentiment on the different kinds of paleo diet, but I do not understand how a short term diet could lead to a sustained weight loss. it would seem to me that if you temporarily practiced a lifestyle/diet to lose weight, and the former lifestyle made u gain it, reverting would result in gaining weight again...

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 16, 2012
at 09:27 PM

I completely forgot I made that comment in this thread, JayJay. ;)

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on September 16, 2012
at 01:24 PM

I find a lot of paleo is use dogma and fear mongering. Grains/carbs are not the evil they are made out to be. Any food becomes evil when you abuse it. Hence, if you look at Sisson, he used to pound grains WAY in excess all day long- so now he demonizes them. Jimmy Moore ate too WAYYY too many carbs also, so now he demonizes them. In my opinion, what really matters is the total amount of grains in your diet. Why the amount? Because if you eat too many grains, you'll end up displacing valuable nutrients found in other foods, and that I believe is where the trouble is. No, you shouldn't be eating white bread and other junk foods, even if the total calorie count is low, but things like sourdough rye, sprouted grains, and whole oats will likely not have any noticeable negative impact on health when consumed in strict moderation (not eliminated entirely) and as a part of an otherwise nutrient dense diet.

Personally, I actually prefer starchy carbs to fruit. Obviously they don't taste as good, but they replenish muscle glycogen more efficiently- which is all I care for because I work out with a high level of intensity and also like to maintain a certain low body fat.

After 2.5 years of going strictly grain, bean, and legume free, and having always made very solid food choices in my childhood, I have recently re-introduced -22 slices of sourdough rye bread into my breakfast. I have not eating more than 150 grams of carbs in a day since maybe I was 15 years old (currently 22 years old). The 20-40 grams of starch in the morning is not doing my any harm that outweighs the benefits. The only other foods in my diet are mixed salad greens, red onions, purple cabbage, fish, shellfish, mixed nuts, cottage cheese, and lean meats. I also consume broccoli and asparagus on occasion.

I have experimented ALOT though, and in total (not consecutively) have done at least 8 months of STRICT PALEO (none of that heavy cream in my coffee, ghee, and liberal oil use BS). I never noticed any significant improvements that I would attribute to eliminating foods and not just continuing to train consistently, not eating crap, and properly aligning carbs with exercise.

moral of the story. Don't listen to dogma, and DO NOT favor science over results. Personal experience and RESULTs trump science every day when it comes to manipulating diet. do what makes you feel good. If you feel good and look good, you are good. Carbs become a problem when they start significantly displacing valuable nutrients found in other healthy, whole foods.

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05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

on September 16, 2012
at 06:56 AM

I'd stick with it even if you did accomplish your physical goals check out Marks Daily Apple

Here is the thing, there are a lot of healthy people (or who appear healthy) who aren't paleo, and they may or may not have a weight issue, but thing is with gluten, gliadin, lectins, saponins (all found in grains and legumes) are a creeper, and you may have a "slight" gluten sensitivity not severe like celiac disease, but in the long run it will catch up with you, leading to leaky gut syndrome, and maybe even autoimmune disorders, or weight gain, diabetes, to name a few. They have studied certain groups of people who ate mainly grains and starches, some have found them to have lower bone density, high rate of bone caries and dental cavities. As well as more birth deformities as well as shorter stature. You're young I'd would start adapting a "real food" lifestyle of what we were designed to eat. Our stomachs product hydrochloric acid to break down protein, we can digest vegetables but we don't have the digestive system for grains and vegetables (which I believe is a bacterial/enzyme type of digestion like strict herbivorse to break through the cellulose wall and access all the nutrients or counteract all the antinutrients in grains/legumes) or you could just wait until your health wanes and then you need to get on a strict diet to undo all the damage from our overly process, genetically modified, chemical concoctions that they pass off for food.

yeah I know my english sucks lol

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on September 16, 2012
at 05:01 PM

THIS! If you believe that grains/legumes/processed stuff isn't ideal for your body, then do Paleo. If you believe that, why would you want to start eating it again? If you don't believe that, why would you go Paleo in the first place? For five or ten vanity pounds, if you're not looking to improve your health and lifestyle, you may as well just go healthy-SAD and eat whole grains and low-fat yogurt. (BTW, Your English is fine, dear. I wouldn't have guessed it wasn't your first language. Also off topic but I looked at your profile. You're a physics student? OMG!!!)

05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

(795)

on September 16, 2012
at 05:30 PM

Exactly, is it me or is the SAD diet uses the food pyramid of death as a template? It's horrible. Thanks luckie, are you a physics student as well? fb me

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