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Not being able to lose weight on Paleo

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Created November 08, 2011 at 8:23 PM

I was on 80% paleo for 10 months Now im 100% paleo- its been 4 months, i rarely cheat, I havent lost single pound! I work out 5 days a week, both cardio and weight lifting What am i doing wrong? I eat 1200-1500 a day. i even tried to add more carbs to my diet to see if im not losing because of too low carb but it didnt work neither.

Also, If i cheat (eating carb) im 1-2 pounds right up the next day. Very sensitive to insulin..so i rarely cheat(3 times last 4 month) but im not losing any!! I have many pounds to lose .....I have no idea why im not losing any.

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on December 26, 2011
at 11:45 PM

I agree. Attitude towards food and fear of food is a big compenent in having a healthy relationship towards food.

9ffe43c6c5990ed710c7c49b12d6ee7f

on December 25, 2011
at 04:00 AM

Yes! Eating more carbs gave me a week of pudginess but has since worked extremely well with my lifting/hot yoga/1 weekly sprint exercise regime for good weight loss. Getting over the fear of carbs bringing weight gain is just like getting over fear of fat when first starting paleo - neither will make you fat unless you go for the neolithic sources of it.

9ffe43c6c5990ed710c7c49b12d6ee7f

on December 25, 2011
at 03:56 AM

I started IFing while still LR and hungry all the time. I found it extremely useful for changing psychologically - learning not to fear hunger, learning I could say no and control myself, and realizing that my day will be just as happy/unhappy without using food as my treat and source of entertainment. My relationship with it began to change, and I thought less about it (used to be obsessed). My appetite and ability to gauge fullness got so much better with incorporating fasting. Though Leptin Reset worked well for my appetite too.

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on December 24, 2011
at 10:21 PM

Yeah, I agree this lifestyle is about inches and energy rather than pounds.

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on November 14, 2011
at 11:28 AM

I am not sure leptin resistant people do well on fasting till they have sorted that out - Kruse does not recommend IF till LR solved "Can you do IF (Intermittent Fasting) in conjunction with the LR Protocol? No way. I love IFing, but don’t try it until you are leptin sensitive again. IFing requires the AMPk pathways to be working optimally." Its not that hard to go over 50gms of carbs on Paleo - they say women can take up to 10 wks on VLC diets to reset leptin - so worth holding on to 50 carbs / day or less get into ketosis and when comfortable with that hit the gym for HIIT.

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on November 11, 2011
at 05:01 PM

Doing low carb generally decreases your need for sleep, but even so, 5 hours seems on the low side. Do you feel rested when you wake? if so sleep deficiency might not be the main problem. And you never mentioned your height and weight.

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on November 10, 2011
at 06:46 AM

Yes my Naturo did - but its not protein sparing - its probably all I eat but no more than 15 gms of Protein at a time - so lots of small meals - theory is that high amounts of protein in one go evoke insulin response. I will say initially I was not on such low cal - we worked on it till I started to lose weight and well thats all I can eat at the moment and not put on weight but lose it. There is something blocking me losing weight we are working on that but I am not hungry or wanting for food or even feel I miss out - so all OK !

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on November 10, 2011
at 04:54 AM

The naturopath didn't put you on a 600-800 calorie per day diet?

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on November 09, 2011
at 08:26 PM

Sounds like your doc has you on a variation of a Protein Sparing Modified Fast. I would highly recommend Lyle McDonald's book on the matter. Search Lyle McDonald and PSMF on google. Going that low calorie for that long will generally cause weight loss to stall as the thyroid screeches to a halt. You need cheats. Again, read Lyle's book. It is excellent.

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on November 09, 2011
at 05:22 PM

Or per Primal Girl/Seth Roberts, morning sunshine or vitamin D. http://blog.sethroberts.net/2011/11/02/it-matters-when-you-take-vitamin-d-a-stunning-discovery/

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on November 09, 2011
at 12:06 PM

Yeh go easy on the cardio its not doing you any favours keep with the weights and do reverse pyramid weight training

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on November 09, 2011
at 11:05 AM

Hanne, 12, to 15 hrs is a good start. if you are going to eat, eat well and then drink water but only if you are thirsty. make breakfast the most important meal (or if you like to eat late, skip breakfast) There is nothing micro about fasting, ( micro hunger?) it seems to me you have the nutrition dialed in, you just need some "help" with the partitioning. just give it a try.

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on November 09, 2011
at 02:36 AM

I disagree (but won't down vote). Fasting is a micro optimization for after everything else is dialed in.

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on November 09, 2011
at 02:03 AM

You mean just drinking water? For how long?

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on November 08, 2011
at 10:40 PM

Ok, I'm up for the challenge of hacking Hanne's weight(fat) loss dilemma. Ok, Hanne, your 30/Female, how tall and what do you weigh? What is your waist and hip measurements?

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on November 08, 2011
at 10:19 PM

BTW, It was actually pretty considerate of you to take the time to explain why you downvoted, so thank you Brad!

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on November 08, 2011
at 10:17 PM

Given that the original question didn't provide any specific details on what actual foods were being eaten and what constitutes "lifting/cardio 5 days a week", I gave a similarly vague answer. To reiterate the points that I was making: "Paleo" isn't a diet (unless you are literally following "The Paleo Diet" by Loren Cordain or some other such author), there is no guarantee that any diet (Paleo or otherwise) will lead to weight loss although you are likely healthier for eliminating neolithic agents of disease, and all the factors ("pieces") involved are not clear ("invisible").

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on November 08, 2011
at 10:17 PM

Given that the original question didn't provide any specific details on what actually foods were being eaten and what constitutes "lifting/cardio 5 days a week", I gave a similarly vague answer. To reiterate the points that I was making: "Paleo" isn't a diet (unless you are literally following "The Paleo Diet" by Loren Cordain or some other such author), there is no guarantee that any diet (Paleo or otherwise) will lead to weight loss although you are likely healthier for eliminating neolithic agents of disease, and all the factors ("pieces") involved are not clear ("invisible").

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(19469)

on November 08, 2011
at 10:16 PM

Given that the original question didn't provide any specific details on what actually foods were being eaten and what constitutes "lifting/cardio 5 days a week", I gave a similarly vague answer. To reiterate the points that I was making: "Paleo" isn't a diet (unless you are literally following "The Paleo Diet" by Loren Cordain or some other such author), there is no guarantee that any diet (Paleo or otherwise) will lead to weight loss although you are likely healthier for eliminating neolithic agents of disease, and all the factors ("pieces") involved are not clear ("invisible").

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

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on November 08, 2011
at 10:05 PM

Or melatonin supplements.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on November 08, 2011
at 10:04 PM

I downvoted this answer, because, while it employs lots of buzzwords, it doesn't actually *say* anything. I think she's looking for specific advice, not vague philosophy. "Most of the pieces are invisible"? What can that possibly mean?

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on November 08, 2011
at 09:58 PM

Magnesium chelate for sleep.

0bd9775b305d2a602d496649982bc614

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on November 08, 2011
at 08:58 PM

Thats a mistery to me too i used to sleep like a baby but last 2 years i suddenly started waking up after 5 hours of sleep. My doctors have no answer for this neither. But doctors dont know anything anyway:(

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

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on November 08, 2011
at 08:39 PM

Well there's your problem. What's causing your sleep deficiency?

0bd9775b305d2a602d496649982bc614

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on November 08, 2011
at 08:37 PM

I have hard time sleeping deep. I can only sleep 5 hours...

0bd9775b305d2a602d496649982bc614

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on November 08, 2011
at 08:36 PM

I have exactly same weight as 8 months ago. I lost 2 pounds at the beginning of low carb diet and then i stopped losing.

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on November 08, 2011
at 08:33 PM

Edit your post to include what you actually eat in a day so we have more to work with.

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on November 08, 2011
at 08:33 PM

Also want to add: You may be gaining weight, but are you getting thinner? Do you feel better? Body comp and performance do not always follow weight. Plus 1-2 pounds a day is just noise, you have to look at trends over weeks and average out the daily variances that are just due to levels of hydration - I can easily be +/- 5 lbs just from water on a day-to-day basis

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510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on November 08, 2011
at 08:28 PM

What are you calling cardio? If it's the normal definition of cardio, then you're working out too much and eating too little. If you're trying for weight loss then you want to do low-carb, lift heavy weights, and walk slowly, and get lots of sleep in a dark room. Actually I probably wrote that in the wrong order:

Most important: lots of sleep in a dark room

Then, low-carb

Then, walk slowly

Last, lift heavy weights

Don't over train and relax, give your body time to adjust. If you're extra sensitive, just don't cheat.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

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on November 08, 2011
at 10:05 PM

Or melatonin supplements.

0bd9775b305d2a602d496649982bc614

(252)

on November 08, 2011
at 08:36 PM

I have exactly same weight as 8 months ago. I lost 2 pounds at the beginning of low carb diet and then i stopped losing.

0bd9775b305d2a602d496649982bc614

(252)

on November 08, 2011
at 08:58 PM

Thats a mistery to me too i used to sleep like a baby but last 2 years i suddenly started waking up after 5 hours of sleep. My doctors have no answer for this neither. But doctors dont know anything anyway:(

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

(20898)

on November 08, 2011
at 08:33 PM

Also want to add: You may be gaining weight, but are you getting thinner? Do you feel better? Body comp and performance do not always follow weight. Plus 1-2 pounds a day is just noise, you have to look at trends over weeks and average out the daily variances that are just due to levels of hydration - I can easily be +/- 5 lbs just from water on a day-to-day basis

0bd9775b305d2a602d496649982bc614

(252)

on November 08, 2011
at 08:37 PM

I have hard time sleeping deep. I can only sleep 5 hours...

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on November 08, 2011
at 08:39 PM

Well there's your problem. What's causing your sleep deficiency?

Ef31d612a661d9fcb19c8965d3a2bd12

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on November 09, 2011
at 05:22 PM

Or per Primal Girl/Seth Roberts, morning sunshine or vitamin D. http://blog.sethroberts.net/2011/11/02/it-matters-when-you-take-vitamin-d-a-stunning-discovery/

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on November 08, 2011
at 09:58 PM

Magnesium chelate for sleep.

673f7ad6052448d51496f177395416b7

(344)

on November 11, 2011
at 05:01 PM

Doing low carb generally decreases your need for sleep, but even so, 5 hours seems on the low side. Do you feel rested when you wake? if so sleep deficiency might not be the main problem. And you never mentioned your height and weight.

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on November 08, 2011
at 09:27 PM

Unfortunately (and under$tandably), "Paleo" has been marketed by some so as to attach the words "weight loss" and "diet" to it.

While you can "diet" while following the general "Paleo" principles (I know these are even unclear, but bear with me) there is no real reason to assume that weight loss is a given when taking on this way of eating.

Weight loss/gain/maintenance is multifactoral and highly contextual. While you are almost assuredly "healthier" by eating whole fruits, vegetables, animal products and reducing/eliminating industrial seed oils, grains/beans/legumes, and refined sugar, you may need to step out of the reductionist view of "dieting".

Eating well and working out is one piece of the puzzle, but the rest of the puzzle is quite large and most of the pieces are invisible.

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(19469)

on November 08, 2011
at 10:17 PM

Given that the original question didn't provide any specific details on what actual foods were being eaten and what constitutes "lifting/cardio 5 days a week", I gave a similarly vague answer. To reiterate the points that I was making: "Paleo" isn't a diet (unless you are literally following "The Paleo Diet" by Loren Cordain or some other such author), there is no guarantee that any diet (Paleo or otherwise) will lead to weight loss although you are likely healthier for eliminating neolithic agents of disease, and all the factors ("pieces") involved are not clear ("invisible").

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on November 08, 2011
at 10:04 PM

I downvoted this answer, because, while it employs lots of buzzwords, it doesn't actually *say* anything. I think she's looking for specific advice, not vague philosophy. "Most of the pieces are invisible"? What can that possibly mean?

Medium avatar

(19469)

on November 08, 2011
at 10:19 PM

BTW, It was actually pretty considerate of you to take the time to explain why you downvoted, so thank you Brad!

Medium avatar

(19469)

on November 08, 2011
at 10:16 PM

Given that the original question didn't provide any specific details on what actually foods were being eaten and what constitutes "lifting/cardio 5 days a week", I gave a similarly vague answer. To reiterate the points that I was making: "Paleo" isn't a diet (unless you are literally following "The Paleo Diet" by Loren Cordain or some other such author), there is no guarantee that any diet (Paleo or otherwise) will lead to weight loss although you are likely healthier for eliminating neolithic agents of disease, and all the factors ("pieces") involved are not clear ("invisible").

Medium avatar

(19469)

on November 08, 2011
at 10:17 PM

Given that the original question didn't provide any specific details on what actually foods were being eaten and what constitutes "lifting/cardio 5 days a week", I gave a similarly vague answer. To reiterate the points that I was making: "Paleo" isn't a diet (unless you are literally following "The Paleo Diet" by Loren Cordain or some other such author), there is no guarantee that any diet (Paleo or otherwise) will lead to weight loss although you are likely healthier for eliminating neolithic agents of disease, and all the factors ("pieces") involved are not clear ("invisible").

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on November 08, 2011
at 09:00 PM

sometimes you have to step back from the cardio to be able to start loosing the weight.

It would also be helpful to understand how you are eating, what etc. to be able to better guide you to weight loss.

Lack of sleep is a big issue, is your room dark enough? are you removing stimuli? More details here as well.

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3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 09, 2011
at 06:26 PM

I'm curious what your overall grams of carb per day is. Personally for me around 90 grams of carbs a day is my sweet spot where I feel comfortable/satisfied and am losing weight.

This link may be helpful: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-primal-carbohydrate-continuum/

If you're extremely Insulin Resistant I want to recommend the book The Insulin Resistance Diet (I recommend this a lot, especially since it gives pretty much the same daily grams of carb recommendation as Sisson). This was one of the more easy to follow low carb books out there for me :)

http://www.amazon.com/Insulin-Resistance-Diet--Revised-Updated-Fat-Making-Machine/dp/0071499849/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1320863064&sr=8-1

Best of luck!

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on December 26, 2011
at 11:45 PM

I agree. Attitude towards food and fear of food is a big compenent in having a healthy relationship towards food.

9ffe43c6c5990ed710c7c49b12d6ee7f

on December 25, 2011
at 04:00 AM

Yes! Eating more carbs gave me a week of pudginess but has since worked extremely well with my lifting/hot yoga/1 weekly sprint exercise regime for good weight loss. Getting over the fear of carbs bringing weight gain is just like getting over fear of fat when first starting paleo - neither will make you fat unless you go for the neolithic sources of it.

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on December 24, 2011
at 08:59 PM

im willing to bet its those damned old paleo cheats, try eliminating them and get back to us either way. personally i have 30 pounds to loose and have not lost a pound in a month. i never cheat on a diet that is filled with so much flavor and health and, because im well now, i dont lay around in bed so much ,and i get some exercise doing repairs about the mansion. i did loose another notch in my belt, so i consider that a win win.

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on December 24, 2011
at 10:21 PM

Yeah, I agree this lifestyle is about inches and energy rather than pounds.

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on November 09, 2011
at 07:43 PM

Two words: Intermittent fasting.

Try a 16 hour fast; eat a big breakfast (800 calories 80% protein) and go from 12 PM to 4 PM next day with just lemon water (I do soda water and lemon) at least once a week and see if that does anything for you.

BTW Eating a lot of nuts? Nut butters? What's your fruit intake like? Keep your eye on these foods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermittent_fasting | http://www.leangains.com/

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on November 14, 2011
at 11:28 AM

I am not sure leptin resistant people do well on fasting till they have sorted that out - Kruse does not recommend IF till LR solved "Can you do IF (Intermittent Fasting) in conjunction with the LR Protocol? No way. I love IFing, but don’t try it until you are leptin sensitive again. IFing requires the AMPk pathways to be working optimally." Its not that hard to go over 50gms of carbs on Paleo - they say women can take up to 10 wks on VLC diets to reset leptin - so worth holding on to 50 carbs / day or less get into ketosis and when comfortable with that hit the gym for HIIT.

9ffe43c6c5990ed710c7c49b12d6ee7f

on December 25, 2011
at 03:56 AM

I started IFing while still LR and hungry all the time. I found it extremely useful for changing psychologically - learning not to fear hunger, learning I could say no and control myself, and realizing that my day will be just as happy/unhappy without using food as my treat and source of entertainment. My relationship with it began to change, and I thought less about it (used to be obsessed). My appetite and ability to gauge fullness got so much better with incorporating fasting. Though Leptin Reset worked well for my appetite too.

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on November 08, 2011
at 11:50 PM

dont worry, what you are describing is just water fluctuation and is normal. forget about the scale, and just measure your waist. you could try to reduce your activity levels and then eat 20% less. But If i were you i would give fasting a go. > theleansaloon is a great place to start.

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on November 09, 2011
at 02:36 AM

I disagree (but won't down vote). Fasting is a micro optimization for after everything else is dialed in.

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on November 09, 2011
at 02:03 AM

You mean just drinking water? For how long?

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on November 09, 2011
at 11:05 AM

Hanne, 12, to 15 hrs is a good start. if you are going to eat, eat well and then drink water but only if you are thirsty. make breakfast the most important meal (or if you like to eat late, skip breakfast) There is nothing micro about fasting, ( micro hunger?) it seems to me you have the nutrition dialed in, you just need some "help" with the partitioning. just give it a try.

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286a4ff7c362241c5c4b020df4972212

on November 09, 2011
at 12:03 PM

Oh I feel your pain! Paleo for nearly 20 months - lost 10 kg in the first month and held my weight for the next 15 months tied all the variations - just stated to lose again but with the help of a naturopath ( most believe and live by the ketogenic diet) I have high leptin no surprise there ! Lost about 6 kg in the last 10 wks ( very slow progress) eating very low cal ( 600 - 800 cal per day ) mostly protein 10 - 15 gms of carbs and well um LOW FAT so that means lean meat fish and chicken No dairy no added fat just limited veg and meat. I still think there is something stopping me from losing weight ( he thinks stress - it could be ) but I hope it starts to drop off soon - for both of us. Feel free to contact me if you need someone to cry on because if anyone knows here its me - how hard it can be to lose the weight esp when so motivated and strong with diet!

Estrogen dominance is another thing thrown around - in the process of testing for that E2 and E16 ratio.

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on November 10, 2011
at 04:54 AM

The naturopath didn't put you on a 600-800 calorie per day diet?

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on November 09, 2011
at 12:06 PM

Yeh go easy on the cardio its not doing you any favours keep with the weights and do reverse pyramid weight training

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on November 09, 2011
at 08:26 PM

Sounds like your doc has you on a variation of a Protein Sparing Modified Fast. I would highly recommend Lyle McDonald's book on the matter. Search Lyle McDonald and PSMF on google. Going that low calorie for that long will generally cause weight loss to stall as the thyroid screeches to a halt. You need cheats. Again, read Lyle's book. It is excellent.

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on November 10, 2011
at 06:46 AM

Yes my Naturo did - but its not protein sparing - its probably all I eat but no more than 15 gms of Protein at a time - so lots of small meals - theory is that high amounts of protein in one go evoke insulin response. I will say initially I was not on such low cal - we worked on it till I started to lose weight and well thats all I can eat at the moment and not put on weight but lose it. There is something blocking me losing weight we are working on that but I am not hungry or wanting for food or even feel I miss out - so all OK !

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