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No weight loss, why?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 03, 2011 at 5:30 PM

I'm obese, and after losing 7 lbs in the beginning of my Paleo diet, now I have stopped losing weight completely. I am ranging between 158 and 159 lbs, up and down, for over 10 days. Ideal weight is 110 lbs. I'm doing Paleo for exactly 1 month. Also, I don't exercise (living a sedentary life in front of a computer). But I heard of others losing weight without exercising. Could it be just that, or could I have a hypothyroid condition I don't know about? I have some of the hypothyroid symptoms (had hair loss in the past, poor muscle tone, decreased sweating -- but no sensitivity to hot/cold). Any ideas?

Edit: I eat eggs & bacon for breakfast, usually with some home-made orange juice (with pulp). I eat a serving of veggies, meat/fish, and fruit for lunch, and then again for dinner. I rarely have snacks through the day, but when I do it's 4-5 nuts. I avoid starchy tubers for now. I use olive oil to cook.

Supplements: I take vitamin D 1000IU, K2, calcium, fish oil, but not daily. Just 2-3 times each during the week.

Life: I wake up, I make breakfast, I sit on the computer. I get up, I do lunch, I eat, I go back to the computer, etc etc until I sleep again. There are of course a few toilet trips, shower, lite house clean up. Overall, super-sedentary.

UPDATE Feb 17 2012: With plain Paleo I managed to get down to 150 lbs (lost only 8 lbs in 3.5 months since this post). So at the end of January I started a Paleo-keto diet (60% fat, 10% carbs, 30% protein, at 1200 calories average). I use coconut oil, offal, fermented foods, supplements, and I don't do honey/fruits anymore. So I lost 5 lbs in the first 2 weeks with Paleo-keto, I'm 145 lbs now. But then I plateaued again, the same way it happened with Paleo in September (after two weeks that is). After these two weeks, the weight would just stay put! I haven't lost a single lb in 3 weeks now, and I even started exercising too (I run 2 miles a day). In December I checked my thyroid too (not all tests though, my doctor wouldn't check everything). They found TSH to be 1.35, and T4 to be 1.2 (normal ranges they said). So what is going on? I'm still fat, I'm still trying, and I can't seem to lose weight the same way others report success! What's going on?

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 29, 2012
at 01:24 PM

Dave...Devils advocate and all (wow, there's some pun there), but people who were in concentration camps weren't exercising intentionally, but they *were* being worked to death by forced slave labor...Just saying... Cliff...Play can be exercise...Active play...I take my daughter outside and we "play" in the pool...That is exercise...So is running around the yard, playing tag...Cleaning can also be classified as exercise, although I would *not* call it play ;-)

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on February 17, 2012
at 09:10 PM

Just had another thought. Could you be sensitive to eggs or pork? Eggs make me feel kinda bloaty and fuzzy headed. You can have food sensitivities to pretty much anything, and that can cause some weight retention. My pants tend to fit a lot better when I have a lamb or beefsteak for breakfast rather than bacon and eggs.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on February 17, 2012
at 08:54 PM

Thyroid looks pretty good there, have you been tested for other endocrine issues like PCOS? Are you following Dr. Kruse's work? He has some interesting ideas about how to get hormones working properly.

06325b762f78a2b8aaa977161cca4a1f

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on February 17, 2012
at 08:31 PM

Proper socialization and outside time totally does it for me too.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 09, 2012
at 01:13 PM

Play is exercise? are you dumb?

Cf4576cbcc44fc7f2294135609bce9e5

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on January 09, 2012
at 10:25 AM

i have lost 47 pounds without exercise, my weight is now stable because im gaining muscle with exercise in the form of play only. thats the opposite of your statement.my play means just repairs and cleaning around my estate.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 09, 2011
at 06:11 PM

So you just slept in bed all day? I don't think you guys understand what I mean by exercise.

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on October 09, 2011
at 02:57 PM

Cliff! If you haven't seen it you haven't been looking hard enough. I lost the majority of my 170 lb weigh loss with no exercise. It happens.

C2502365891cbcc8af2d1cf1d7b0e9fc

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on October 09, 2011
at 12:30 AM

That is not bro-science, that is Quilt's leptin reset protocol.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 08, 2011
at 10:29 PM

I'll echo that increased activity will only benefit you, especially if you think you're hypothyroid. If weight loss has stopped, you're at energy balance - your body is taking in as much as it is expending. Eat less, I'd reduce the fruit intake. Titrate down until weight loss resumes.

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on October 08, 2011
at 10:22 PM

No carbs in the morning? Broscience. I agree ditch the OJ, but just eat an orange instead.

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

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on October 08, 2011
at 11:57 AM

After I ran marathons, which I think is a significant amount of exercise, I was starved for a couple days and probably upped my calorie intake by at least 3000 per day. I lost the most weight and leaned out better when I wasn't training for a marathon. To walk off 1 pound, you only have to walk 25 miles. Far easier to go calorie negative with diet than by exercise.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 04, 2011
at 03:08 PM

metabolic ward studies aren't real life situations. Obviously you will lose weight id you starve yourself, is that healthy? Maybe I should have worded it differently.

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on October 04, 2011
at 02:34 PM

Cliff - you need to temper your advice. We all like the walking thing - it's just when you say that no-one loses without exercise, well it contradicts people's experience. And lacks scientific basis - people in metabolic ward studies on 500 crap calories/day lose plenty of weight. So do people on Medifast - or in concentration camps. And they aren't exercising...

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on October 04, 2011
at 02:29 PM

BTW~ You likely need more Vitamin D. Best to get your 25 (OH)D level tested & aim for 50-80 ng/ml.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 04, 2011
at 01:35 PM

If you eat fruit, stick to berries and apples. Grapes, citrus, watermelon, etc have too much sugar. And you can eat more fruit if you exercise more. Sedentary and lots of fruit = little weight loss in my experience.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 04, 2011
at 01:32 PM

I don't believe it till I see before and after pictures maybe you lost a couple pounds but you didn't get anywhere close to your ideal weight.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on October 04, 2011
at 11:00 AM

Yes, I sat there all day and did nothing, cliff. I had exams, and slept 11 hours a day. I ate more than 2500 kcal a day.

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

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on October 04, 2011
at 03:36 AM

This is simply not true. I lost the most weight when I was unemployed and sitting at home all day, because I A) wasn't out being tempted by office goodies and the like and was able to stay firmly low-carb, and B) I couldn't afford the more expensive low-carb snacks that sometimes get people in trouble, like nuts or cheese, so I mostly ate cheap meat cuts and eggs. No exercise whatsoever. On the other hand, one summer I exercised like crazy, jogging 5K or bicycling 10 miles or more every day, and didn't lose a pound, because I ate lunch afterwards with the high-carbers I was exercising with.

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on October 03, 2011
at 11:27 PM

Fruit is complicated. It has vitamins and minerals, but also loads of fructose. Some people tolerate it, others don't. You should experiment without it before determining whether the tradeoff is worth it. Using a multivitamin, you shouldn't encounter deficiencies. At the very least I'd urge you not to eat a piece with every meal. If that would be hard for you it might indicate that you are eating for reasons other than sustenance, in which case you should look into the food reward posts on Stephan Guyenet's blog. Good luck!

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on October 03, 2011
at 10:04 PM

I bought all the vitamins Jack Kruse suggested, thanks. They arrive in a week, let's see if they fix my issues -- along with some daily walking. I am not considering stopping eating fruits though, because while they do have some negative effects, the good outweigh the bad.

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on October 03, 2011
at 08:51 PM

What was your diet like before paleo?

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 03, 2011
at 08:37 PM

you all sat there all day and did nothing? where did i mention gyms?

2c2349bc7af0fedb59a5fe99dac9fae2

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on October 03, 2011
at 08:11 PM

Agree that adding more saturated fat, and in particular coconut oil could help. Saturated fat in coconuts are comprised of MCT (medium chained triglycerides). There are studies that show that can increase fat oxidation (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12975635). So it might be an easy way to help give you a boost.

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on October 03, 2011
at 07:06 PM

one more thing, i am not against trying exercise. in fact definitely try that.. just saying that lack of exercise is the cause. that being said, especially on low carb diets, low level activity is very good for you as studies have shown they can improve fat metabolism. basically training your body to use fat as fuel source.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on October 03, 2011
at 07:05 PM

Yes! Sleep! Thumbs up for Dave!

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on October 03, 2011
at 06:54 PM

My bacon is untreated btw, just pure meat.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on October 03, 2011
at 06:53 PM

Thanks guys, will do. :)

6498694060d879a7960b35913539b75f

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on October 03, 2011
at 06:49 PM

It's entirely possible to lose a great amount of weight without exercise. You'll be healthier if you do exercise, but it is not a requirement for fat loss.

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on October 03, 2011
at 06:43 PM

Oh you stealed my answer! I would add, Eugenia - you are young and beautiful, get outside and walk a little! Fresh air and sunshine is good for you. Also, how's your sleep and cortisol (stress levels)? And yes, people lose tons of weight without exercise. But you are not people, you are Eugenia. you will have to figure out what works for you. And it may be a tough nut to crack. you would do well to listen to Eric.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on October 03, 2011
at 06:40 PM

Ditto. I lost the majority of my fat *after* I stopped going to the gym.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on October 03, 2011
at 06:05 PM

More fat? Coconut oil helps A LOT.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on October 03, 2011
at 06:04 PM

I lost a lot of fat without doing anything.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on October 03, 2011
at 05:54 PM

Thank you, I edited the question with the info requested.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 03, 2011
at 05:45 PM

Add walking. Add supplements.

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on October 03, 2011
at 05:36 PM

I agree with cliff below. Need to add in some walking. Other than that edit into your question what you are eating so people can help you with the diet side.

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77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

(5002)

on October 03, 2011
at 06:36 PM

You have several options.

  1. Begin with Jack Kruse's leptin reset protocol: http://jackkruse.com/my-leptin-prescription/

  2. Stop making juice; eat fruits in their whole form.

  3. Better yet, stop eating fruit until you know that you can tolerate it without weight gain.

  4. Use coconut oil or animal fat instead of olive oil for cooking.

  5. Consider a less flavored or treated meat than bacon. The smoking, curing, etc make it unusually rewarding for a meat. Eggs + leftover meat from dinner is probably better.

  6. Like others said, walk.

  7. VD3 should be more like 4000 IU.

  8. Consider other supplements that Jack Kruse recommends: http://jackkruse.com/what-are-the-top-ten-paleo-supplements/

(as you can see, I think Kruse is really leading the way with this stuff)

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on October 03, 2011
at 07:05 PM

Yes! Sleep! Thumbs up for Dave!

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

(5002)

on October 03, 2011
at 11:27 PM

Fruit is complicated. It has vitamins and minerals, but also loads of fructose. Some people tolerate it, others don't. You should experiment without it before determining whether the tradeoff is worth it. Using a multivitamin, you shouldn't encounter deficiencies. At the very least I'd urge you not to eat a piece with every meal. If that would be hard for you it might indicate that you are eating for reasons other than sustenance, in which case you should look into the food reward posts on Stephan Guyenet's blog. Good luck!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 04, 2011
at 01:35 PM

If you eat fruit, stick to berries and apples. Grapes, citrus, watermelon, etc have too much sugar. And you can eat more fruit if you exercise more. Sedentary and lots of fruit = little weight loss in my experience.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on October 03, 2011
at 06:53 PM

Thanks guys, will do. :)

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on October 03, 2011
at 06:54 PM

My bacon is untreated btw, just pure meat.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on October 03, 2011
at 06:43 PM

Oh you stealed my answer! I would add, Eugenia - you are young and beautiful, get outside and walk a little! Fresh air and sunshine is good for you. Also, how's your sleep and cortisol (stress levels)? And yes, people lose tons of weight without exercise. But you are not people, you are Eugenia. you will have to figure out what works for you. And it may be a tough nut to crack. you would do well to listen to Eric.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on October 03, 2011
at 10:04 PM

I bought all the vitamins Jack Kruse suggested, thanks. They arrive in a week, let's see if they fix my issues -- along with some daily walking. I am not considering stopping eating fruits though, because while they do have some negative effects, the good outweigh the bad.

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on October 09, 2011
at 06:40 AM

I think you are worried a little too early about your weight loss, 1 month is nothin'. Women especially seem to lose weight slowly. There will be an initial drop of "water weight", and the rest will come off randomly in small amounts between plateaus over the next year or two. Rapid weight loss is often followed by rapid weight gain. If you want to get to a place where you can keep it off you kind need to convince your body you aren't starving, and go slowly. The first stint I did of paleo took about a year to drop 30lbs. The leptin reset protocol mentioned above is helpful to get your hormones and body prepared for and on the road to having a healthy body.

Secondly, please use your level of fitness and not BMI for a healthy weight range, it is sooo not scientific from a health perspective.

If you are concerned about a thyroid condition get it tested. I worried for nearly 7 years before I found a doc who would even consider testing it, and voila, hypothyroid. So, follow your instincts, and find out for sure. It might not be a bad idea to get a full panel of lab work just to know where you are starting if you have insurance that will cover it.

Stand up desks are great if you are stuck at a computer all day, I suspect I get in a fair amount of walking just pacing back and forth thinking. There's also a lot leaning, stretching, and dancing around that I don't find myself doing if I sit at the computer.

I've also noticed that my weight tends to be lower when I socialize more, and get more sun. I suspect our big brains use a lot of energy trying to "read" people. Eye contact with people you like also improves levels of oxytocin and that will fight stress hormones that can cause extra weight to stick around. Sun improves Vit. D levels, and that also helps with proper hormone levels and feeling good. And this might sound a bit woo woo, but I swear sitting in front of the computer for too long makes me feel jet-lagged and getting away from the wi-fi and/or electromagnetic radiation and getting outside for some fresh air is vital for me to feel healthy.

06325b762f78a2b8aaa977161cca4a1f

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on February 17, 2012
at 08:31 PM

Proper socialization and outside time totally does it for me too.

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on October 08, 2011
at 09:43 AM

The thing that has worked for me is making a very limited menu plan. I have four food that I can eat. No snacks, no juices, nothing.

The only things I eat are: Beef flank steak with garlic chive and soy sauce Chicken breast with skin, coconut milk and almond crust Salmon with broccoli,pepper and lime juice Pork rib with spices, cinnamon, ginger etc

All full fat, with added butter

Bevarages are tea black coffee. If I'm hungry, this what I have to choose from. I can mix the seasonings and proteins, but no nuts, juices, fruits or excessive carbs.

It's very simple and requires no thought process, and makes it very hard to deviate, because you can't suddenly crave a handful of flank steaks, if you get what im saying.

Not wanting to exercise is probably more of a side effect of carrying around excess weight. You're soon going to want to get moving :)

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on October 03, 2011
at 05:35 PM

How much are you eating? What does a normal day look like? Need some more info for a proper hack.

Also, you could always check with your Dr. and get a thyroid panel if that's a concern!

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on October 03, 2011
at 05:54 PM

Thank you, I edited the question with the info requested.

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on October 08, 2011
at 11:10 AM

No carbs in the morning. The orange juice has got to go. The best my weight loss has been has been when I've been doing just eggs and meat cooked in pasture butter for breakfast. I also found that I did better when I stopped eating nuts. But, as Dave S. said, you'll have to figure out what works for you.

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on October 09, 2011
at 12:30 AM

That is not bro-science, that is Quilt's leptin reset protocol.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 08, 2011
at 10:22 PM

No carbs in the morning? Broscience. I agree ditch the OJ, but just eat an orange instead.

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on October 03, 2011
at 07:00 PM

Hypothyroidism is one of those conditions everybody things they have. Before you worry about that, take a serious look at your diet. Exericse will help, but in the beginning it should be easy to lose weight even w/o exercise.

Agree watch the amount of fruit, and I would, just in the beginning, log all food intake (into something like fitday). Most people don't realize how much they are actually eating. You might be surprised. Measure things while you do this so you can be as accurate as possible. Hopefully you want to get to a point where this is not needed, but if you are not losing weight than you are gonna have to do some dirty work.

Remember stress and sleep also are also major. So get good sleep, dark room, and I would walk or try to meetup and be more social (dance, have a party, meetups, etc) to help w/ stress.

One other thing you can do that might help, is try out intermittent fasting. I really enjoy it and it has helped me w/ my weight loss.

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on October 03, 2011
at 07:06 PM

one more thing, i am not against trying exercise. in fact definitely try that.. just saying that lack of exercise is the cause. that being said, especially on low carb diets, low level activity is very good for you as studies have shown they can improve fat metabolism. basically training your body to use fat as fuel source.

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E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 03, 2011
at 05:34 PM

No one loses any significant amount of weight without exercising. Add in a couple miles of walking.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on October 03, 2011
at 06:40 PM

Ditto. I lost the majority of my fat *after* I stopped going to the gym.

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

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on October 04, 2011
at 03:36 AM

This is simply not true. I lost the most weight when I was unemployed and sitting at home all day, because I A) wasn't out being tempted by office goodies and the like and was able to stay firmly low-carb, and B) I couldn't afford the more expensive low-carb snacks that sometimes get people in trouble, like nuts or cheese, so I mostly ate cheap meat cuts and eggs. No exercise whatsoever. On the other hand, one summer I exercised like crazy, jogging 5K or bicycling 10 miles or more every day, and didn't lose a pound, because I ate lunch afterwards with the high-carbers I was exercising with.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on October 04, 2011
at 11:00 AM

Yes, I sat there all day and did nothing, cliff. I had exams, and slept 11 hours a day. I ate more than 2500 kcal a day.

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on October 03, 2011
at 06:49 PM

It's entirely possible to lose a great amount of weight without exercise. You'll be healthier if you do exercise, but it is not a requirement for fat loss.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 04, 2011
at 03:08 PM

metabolic ward studies aren't real life situations. Obviously you will lose weight id you starve yourself, is that healthy? Maybe I should have worded it differently.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on October 03, 2011
at 06:04 PM

I lost a lot of fat without doing anything.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 03, 2011
at 08:37 PM

you all sat there all day and did nothing? where did i mention gyms?

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 04, 2011
at 01:32 PM

I don't believe it till I see before and after pictures maybe you lost a couple pounds but you didn't get anywhere close to your ideal weight.

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on October 04, 2011
at 02:34 PM

Cliff - you need to temper your advice. We all like the walking thing - it's just when you say that no-one loses without exercise, well it contradicts people's experience. And lacks scientific basis - people in metabolic ward studies on 500 crap calories/day lose plenty of weight. So do people on Medifast - or in concentration camps. And they aren't exercising...

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on October 08, 2011
at 11:57 AM

After I ran marathons, which I think is a significant amount of exercise, I was starved for a couple days and probably upped my calorie intake by at least 3000 per day. I lost the most weight and leaned out better when I wasn't training for a marathon. To walk off 1 pound, you only have to walk 25 miles. Far easier to go calorie negative with diet than by exercise.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 09, 2011
at 06:11 PM

So you just slept in bed all day? I don't think you guys understand what I mean by exercise.

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on October 09, 2011
at 02:57 PM

Cliff! If you haven't seen it you haven't been looking hard enough. I lost the majority of my 170 lb weigh loss with no exercise. It happens.

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on January 09, 2012
at 10:25 AM

i have lost 47 pounds without exercise, my weight is now stable because im gaining muscle with exercise in the form of play only. thats the opposite of your statement.my play means just repairs and cleaning around my estate.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 09, 2012
at 01:13 PM

Play is exercise? are you dumb?

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on August 29, 2012
at 01:24 PM

Dave...Devils advocate and all (wow, there's some pun there), but people who were in concentration camps weren't exercising intentionally, but they *were* being worked to death by forced slave labor...Just saying... Cliff...Play can be exercise...Active play...I take my daughter outside and we "play" in the pool...That is exercise...So is running around the yard, playing tag...Cleaning can also be classified as exercise, although I would *not* call it play ;-)

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