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Is there another reason why we get fat?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created February 28, 2011 at 12:04 PM

I stumbled on a very interesting article about weight loss, as I was reading why the movie ???The Social Network??? failed to win the big Oscars, (you may read it here) One of the reasons was that there were some inaccuracies, BUT they also said that was also the case with the big Oscar winner ???The King???s Speech???, you may find that article here. And there I found a totally unrelated article to the Oscars about weight loss: Why Dieting May Soon Be A Thing Of The Past.

(That???s what I like about the Internet: you find things you???re not looking for).

Now, the interesting thing is not the weight loss in it self, but the fact that they say the same as Art DE Vany is repeatedly have been saying on his blog, in his book and in the endless interviews he???s giving nowadays and I quote: ???The obvious fact is that we eat too much. But, why? It turns out that's the way our brains are programmed. Throughout our evolutionary history, food had been scarce, so in order to ensure survival, humans have been conditioned to eat as much as they can whenever food is available. Unfortunately, when food is abundant and rich in calories, as it is today, the results can be ugly.???

And now here it comes: ???Dr. Hirsch noticed that many patients who had lost their sense of smell and taste due to illness or accident experienced rapid weight gain. Certain smells and tastes seemed to be acting on the brain to control the appetite???.

So here is another cause of weight gain: you don???t gain weight because you eat too much, you gain because your there is somewhere a disorder in your brain. This is exactly what Gay Taubes is saying, except that he describes another cause of the disorder. Here it is probably all the artificial stuff in our so-called food that is confusing our brains. So, this is another reason to eat primeval food. But maybe other members of this site have other interesting interpretations of this research of Dr. Alan Hirsch. Of course I???m not promoting his food sprinkles???..

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on September 09, 2011
at 03:48 PM

This happens too but loss of taste and smell is most commonly seen in excitotoxin damage or with severe zinc and magnesium deficiencies

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 09, 2011
at 05:40 AM

I lost my sense of taste and smell due to a head injury instead of a deficiency.

B86cb1207d7a8336dad0b1bfd07d4187

on March 01, 2011
at 07:53 PM

PS- that statistic was also based on present-day Tribal societies.

B86cb1207d7a8336dad0b1bfd07d4187

on March 01, 2011
at 07:51 PM

I read a study where the average Hunter/Gatherer went through 90 minutes of extreme exercise (hunting, butchering, carrying meat back) to eat. Now....we pause the TVO and make the kids bring us something from the fridge.

4e40d2b9e1a762949a25b958762aa10d

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on March 01, 2011
at 04:35 PM

Also, causes is quite a strong word. In what cases?

4e40d2b9e1a762949a25b958762aa10d

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on March 01, 2011
at 04:33 PM

@TacticalSavage: What do you mean?

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on February 28, 2011
at 07:32 PM

Gluten is hardly ideal, but I doubt very much that it plays a large role in obesity.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 28, 2011
at 05:38 PM

Gluten also causes obesity, as does MSG and other excitotoxins.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 28, 2011
at 03:20 PM

“Dr. Hirsch noticed that many patients who had lost their sense of smell and taste due to illness or accident experienced rapid weight gain. Certain smells and tastes seemed to be acting on the brain to control the appetite”. you got a main issue. taste smell and chewing.

4e40d2b9e1a762949a25b958762aa10d

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on February 28, 2011
at 03:12 PM

@Oerloper: I think it better if you rephrase your question. Are you assuming one reason is the SAD? Overconsumption? What do you think the other reasons might be? Your question is interesting, but I politely suggest some editing.

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B86cb1207d7a8336dad0b1bfd07d4187

on February 28, 2011
at 03:18 PM

People get fat because surviving is no longer about survival.

B86cb1207d7a8336dad0b1bfd07d4187

on March 01, 2011
at 07:53 PM

PS- that statistic was also based on present-day Tribal societies.

B86cb1207d7a8336dad0b1bfd07d4187

on March 01, 2011
at 07:51 PM

I read a study where the average Hunter/Gatherer went through 90 minutes of extreme exercise (hunting, butchering, carrying meat back) to eat. Now....we pause the TVO and make the kids bring us something from the fridge.

4e40d2b9e1a762949a25b958762aa10d

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on March 01, 2011
at 04:33 PM

@TacticalSavage: What do you mean?

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on February 28, 2011
at 05:59 PM

I am reading Taubes' Book, "Why We Get Fat."

He documents how poorer people are often (usually, in fact) fatter than rich people - this is true within the USA and around the world; and has been true for hundreds of years. Poor people simply do NOT have access to good food - protein and fats); they eat mostly, or you ready for it? - CARBOHYDRATES.

Some tribes eat poor quality roots and other stuff; and get fat - Taubes sited a tribe in which the mothers were obese and the children malnutritioned and skinny. In American cities, poor people eat mostly refined carbs. Neither group eats much good quality protein and fat.

I highly recommend Taubes' latest book - it really is much more readable than Good Calories, Bad Calories. He says that was a main reason for writing it - to make the information more accessible.

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on February 28, 2011
at 03:18 PM

Hi Oerloper,

Can you find links to substantiate your answer with links that don't suggest a commercial interest? The third article you linked to discussed a researcher & company team promoting a new weight-loss product. Barring contrary evidence, that links biases me to think this is another gimmick.

Taubes, in GCBC, noted that thalamic lesions cause profound obesity & anorexia in mice. From my own medical training, I know that many satiety chemicals, like CCK, also act as neurotransmitters in that area of the brain. So, I am interested in exploring this idea thoroughly. But, I don't think a SENSA press release is a good source.

Mike

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A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

on February 28, 2011
at 07:09 PM

the point is, there are multiple reasons why people might get fat and why others stay thin. We are complex organisms, with thousands of things that can go wrong, causing chain reaction that might result in fat storage. Some are more some are less probable or occurring in the society. Heck, one person can have multiple influences of his/her body fat composition. That's why, again, I oppose judging anyone based on the looks only.

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on February 28, 2011
at 03:27 PM

Yeah, it would not really be a disorder. We would be doing what came naturally but ultimately getting screwed over by the obesogenic environment.

Palatability is a big issue. We have engineered particular kinds of foods that we will eat even when we are not really hungry. Most people won???t eat a steak unless they are hungry, but we will eat a convenient snack food whether we are really hungry or not (popcorn at movies, candy, deserts, etc???) We will also drink a significant amount of calories whether we are really hungry or not.

We also have an environment that encourages snacking (AKA eating when you are not really hungry). You can see this in daycares and schools.

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on February 28, 2011
at 01:42 PM

If everybody has this "disorder",then it becomes the "order" .Since everybody can get it or is fat,it cannot be called a disorder,don't you think??we store fat in order to survive long periods without or with little food.we get fat because of civilization,its chemical engineering and advertising(a product of early psychology,social costructionism and psychoanalysis).

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on September 09, 2011
at 02:50 AM

We lose taste and smell because of excitatory neurotransmitters and magnesium deficiency. Glutamate and aspartate are huge factors. These also happen to be the two NT that also cause us to lose our hypocretin neurons and eventually cause obesity as the end result.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 09, 2011
at 05:40 AM

I lost my sense of taste and smell due to a head injury instead of a deficiency.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on September 09, 2011
at 03:48 PM

This happens too but loss of taste and smell is most commonly seen in excitotoxin damage or with severe zinc and magnesium deficiencies

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on September 09, 2011
at 02:40 AM

I think it's a combination between brain dysfunction and body dysfunction that make us fat. It can't be all "insulin-drives-carbs-drives-fat" when people are sated eating but 1200 calories of carbohydrate a day as long as it is bland, non-food-reward-stimulating carbohydrate. For example, we eat a chocolate bar because it tastes good, not out of an insulin-mediated glucose drop, but it results in an insulin spike leading to a glucose drop and THEN we eat another chocolate bar because we're once again hungry. We rollercoaster, stabilize, then start rollercoastering again with a twinkie or something similar. Our modern foods are too artifically delicious (HFCS, MSG, aspartame). We just eat more of them because they're SO pleasing to our senses. We develop problems discerning when we are full and tasting the simple nutritive flavor of natural foods. However, paleo fixes that, without resorting to weird chemical "food sprinkles".

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on February 28, 2011
at 05:11 PM

After fructose, the cause of fat gain in humans is starch intake in excess of glycogen storage capacity. The latter isn't sufficient to cause an obesity epidemic or a rise in the incidence of diabetes, however.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 28, 2011
at 05:38 PM

Gluten also causes obesity, as does MSG and other excitotoxins.

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on February 28, 2011
at 07:32 PM

Gluten is hardly ideal, but I doubt very much that it plays a large role in obesity.

4e40d2b9e1a762949a25b958762aa10d

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on March 01, 2011
at 04:35 PM

Also, causes is quite a strong word. In what cases?

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