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Is Paleo better for men than women?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 24, 2011 at 5:41 AM

So, I'm very confused and frustrated.

Let me start by giving some background info...

I'm 25 yrs old and a I'm professional dancer on and off Broadway. I've always been active, since the age of 3 when I started dancing. Up until my 20's I was in the 90lb range. Never had to diet, although growing up my mother was pretty strict with what we ate. She was an aerobics instructor and dance teacher and I learned "healthy" habits from her. Being a dancer I have very strict goals on what my body should look like, as it is my livelihood.

I've learned in the past few years that I have a womanly body (think Boticelli), and although I have a small frame and am in good shape, it wants to gain --- especially in the bust and hips. In the past when I've had a big audition that I needed to slim down for, I would just take a lot of class (meaning 1 ballet class and 1 jazz class/day for 6 days straight --- maybe even going to the gym and running for 45 min after class) and eat a little healthier. I.e salads instead of pizza or burgers. And the weight would melt off me. I have never ever had trouble losing the 5lbs I needed to in 1 week.

My boyfriend (Futureboy) went paleo about 2 months ago and it intrigued me. I had always believed in eating organic and cutting out the crummy chemicals and all the crap that causes cancer and diseases. So I started to eat paleo. Not crazy strict at first, just to clean up what I had been eating. About 3 weeks ago I learned I was going to have a photo shoot with Time Out NY magazine, and noticed I had gotten a lil chunky! So my boyfriend suggested that I go strict paleo. I did...In 3 weeks I have lost 2lbs, and each week i get more and more strict with my diet. This week I have cut back so much that I basically go to bed hungry. And my belly is bigger than ever! I have been taking about 3 ballet classes this week and 1 jazz, so not as much as I normally do because Colin said not to go crazy on the exercise.

So here's where I'm really frustrated:

  • The weight seems to come off of him so easy, I'm trying really hard to eat as little carbs as possible and cut down my portions. And I've looked at the website and see many women having the same problem. I've also looked at the before and after's...the women look really great after, but the men's transformations are outstanding! I've been told before that high fat/high protein diets work well for men but not so much for woman... Is that true?

I really want to stick with paleo. It seems great for my overall health, but it seems like its making me gain weight, and I can't gain weight --- not while I'm in the business that I'm in. This is also the first time in my life I've ever done a "diet"...it totally backfired! Now before anyone says... "What did you expect in 3 weeks?" In the past I could've lost 10lbs in 3 weeks. So far w/ paleo I've lost only 2lbs and gained some belly fat...Not cool! I'm also trying to let go of my long-held beliefs in fat-burning cardio (chronic cardio), but since I've begun to do so, my results have made me skeptical.

  • So, is paleo not ideal for my lifestyle? A lifestyle where i need to be able to drop 10lbs to be seen as a ballerina for a role...and then a few weeks later gain so I can look voluptuous for a different kind of role? Is this at all possible with paleo?? Is paleo better suited to men rather than women?? Please help!! Cause I really do want to stick with it.

Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

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on March 01, 2012
at 09:45 PM

Grain Free, did you have a lot of weight to lose, or not so much?

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on September 18, 2011
at 02:32 AM

Boy, I really had a lot less tact back then.

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on September 18, 2011
at 12:51 AM

It worked for you because you had 45 lbs to lose. And you probably were not a professional dancer. If you are a very active, very thin woman, there is no reason to go low carb.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 28, 2011
at 12:29 AM

order to sustain."Maybe I need a little more exercise than most" Totally makes sense to me. I've just been so turned upside down, and a lot of paleo peeps talk of over exercise. It's hard figuring out what things to listen to and what things to not. I'm sure i'll find my way eventually. As for the bacon... I like it, I've been eating it more at breakfast but i still can't bring myself to eat more than 2 pieces a day, I feel it's gonna make me fat, I have a hard time letting go of that one.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 28, 2011
at 12:25 AM

Great comment! I've been very confused the past month...I grew up in an athletic and "healthy" house hold. So even though I had the tendency to some what ignore healthy choices, I at least thought I had a pretty good understanding about health, nutrition, and exercise. Then last month I decided to give into paleo, and it has turned my world upside down.I don't feel like I know anything anymore. A lot of people have posted about "over exercise". I think your very right though,I think I set my body's bar pretty high when I started exercising at the age of three, and now I have to keep it up in

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 28, 2011
at 12:23 AM

Great comment! I've been very confused the past month...I grew up in an athletic and "healthy" house hold. So even though I had the tendency to some what ignore healthy choices, I at least thought I had a pretty good understand about health nutrition and exercise. Then last month I decided to give into paleo, and it has turned my world upside down.I don't feel like I know anything anymore. A lot of people have posted about "over exercise". I think your very right though,I think I set my body's bar pretty high when I started exercising at the age of three.And now I have to keep it up in order

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 28, 2011
at 12:20 AM

And now I have to keep it up in order to maintain. This is all a learning curve for me. So what's the truth/myth to all this over exercise business? I had learned from an early age to push yourself to the max. Take a complete rest once a week, and then go go go. I thought that was a no no w/ paleo? I'm kinda confused...

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 28, 2011
at 12:16 AM

Great comment. I've been very confused the past month.I grew up in an athletic and "healthy" house hold. So even though I had the tendency to some what ignore healthy choices, I at least thought I had a pretty good understand about health nutrition and exercise. Then last month I decided to give into paleo, and it has turned my world upside down.I don't feel like I know anything anymore, as a lot of people have posted about "over exercise". I think your very right though,I think I set my body's bar pretty high when I started exercising at the age of three.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on April 26, 2011
at 07:01 PM

Dr K, I totally buy into what you are saying. Is there a specific recommendation for women of our age to help this?

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on April 26, 2011
at 05:28 PM

ok. I might try the US Wellness Liverwurst, as it's made from their beef liver.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on April 26, 2011
at 01:44 PM

Be a skeptic and then talk to women 25 to 35 then come talk to me. Ignorance is bliss

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on April 26, 2011
at 05:04 AM

Pork liver isn't as good unless it's a wild pig or something, but it's a lot better than nothing.

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on April 26, 2011
at 04:32 AM

i'm not sure about cutting carbs. You're very active and already fairly close to your goal weight. You need to fine tune not fix a broken metabolism. what i DO think is you're throwing a LOT at your body all at once. New food, different training, stress about a photo shoot, all at once. I do get why you'd listen to your fella about food, but your dance prep? As a dancer since the age of 3, I think you probably have a decent idea of what is "too much" for you. As a trained dancer you might need more exercise than the average bear to exert you. Also why are you letting him eat your bacon?? ;)

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on April 26, 2011
at 02:38 AM

perimenopause at 25?!? c'mon now.

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(5639)

on April 26, 2011
at 12:04 AM

as predicted, there was a "told ya so!" when I got home. We really like Braunschweiger here, is it an adequate substitute for the liver you recommend?

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(5136)

on April 25, 2011
at 11:28 PM

if i could upvote "use more butter" twice, i would!

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on April 25, 2011
at 11:06 PM

All I'm saying is don't rule it out, because you're young and say youve always been healthy so it might be subtle and a test is only money, after all.

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on April 25, 2011
at 11:05 PM

Sounds very familiar... my Mom has antibodies for T3 and that could be part of my problem, or iodine deficiency, as eating one sheet of kombu seemed to improve my dry leg skin 100x literally overnight, or I could have subclinical hypothyroidism. Not sure which, when I have the $$ I will get some more tests, as what i have now is incomplete. But I have always been very fit, lean and strong with very good endurance-I attribute that to having eaten pretty well most all of my life. Sleep pattern was really similar to yours, night owl who likes to sleep until satiated, 10 hours sometimes.

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on April 25, 2011
at 10:23 PM

I'm very calm. I just dislike your assumption that you have advice to give about dancing, and then hold up a very unfit "dancer" as support to your point. It undermines your entire argument, yet you continue to support your belief (and it is just that) that one could be healthy while being OVERweight. It's even called OVERweight. Gee I wonder why?

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 25, 2011
at 09:57 PM

(As weight loss, I guess, is more of the focus. Weight gain, from what I gathered, seems to be pretty easy and healthy on this diet.)

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 25, 2011
at 09:55 PM

(as weight loss i guess is more of the focus. Weight gain, from what I've gathered on here, seems to be easy and healthy on this diet.)

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 25, 2011
at 09:54 PM

It is totally common sense, but I don't think what I'm trying to achieve is all that common.It's not really an option for me to settle where I'm going to settle. Just as an Olympic athlete wouldn't settle. Did you see Black Swan Joshua? The movie totally portrayed the crazy pressure to be perfect. Not just from your self but, from the higher ups as well.It is pretty on par with what the business is actually like. I just wish to do so by being healthy, and not bulimic like Natlaie Portman's character.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 25, 2011
at 09:49 PM

I actually sleep a ton.I do sleep late hrs though, my clock is pushed back a little later than most. I usually don't go to bed before 2am. but i sleep till 12pm most days (some days even more) My Mom and Dad are appalled at how late I sleep, they think there's something wrong with me. But could that be a problem? too much sleep?

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on April 25, 2011
at 09:44 PM

[...] Gymnasts, sprint runners, heavy weight wrestlers or weight lifters are all athletes. Gymnast won't be able to do what the weight lifter does, sumo wrestler won't be able to do what the high jump athlete does... No need to highlight own skills by insulting someone else's. A bit more respect and calm would be great.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on April 25, 2011
at 09:40 PM

[...] That is NOT paleo. It might be necessary for the business, but claiming it's health is wrong. And it is possible to be healthier while overweight than too thin. Gypsyloo might want to chose between what she loves (dancing) and health. But it might be that she can't have both. If her body is healthiest with a few more pounds on, choosing profession that requires to be under this optimal composition should be a conscious decision, realizing the risks. and really, insulting this dancer doesn't look good. [...]

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on April 25, 2011
at 09:35 PM

It looks like I got onto your toes really badly, wasn't my intention. But really, angry? I didn't say anywhere that your girlfriend should stop taking care of herself, put on 100Ibs and promote new, fluffy dancing style. I am angry when people get into paleo to lose weight, obsessing over every ounce of fat, even beyond what's healthy. It makes me angry when people make hurtful and offensive comments about fat AND skinny people. Gypsyloo mentioned herself that she is doing what is beyond health care to lower the weight - not eating enough, going around hungry [...]

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on April 25, 2011
at 07:58 PM

Aaand being on broadway, she's probably not getting quality sleep. She's likely sleeping from 2 am to 10 am or less!!

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

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on April 25, 2011
at 07:56 PM

Use more butter Futureboy! She needs the fat-soluble vitamins. ;)

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on April 25, 2011
at 07:48 PM

Great answer Travis! The excess fat-per-meal not being burned is gonna get me in trouble with her though! There's gonna be some "I told ya so's" being thrown around at my house later...guaranteed!

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 25, 2011
at 07:47 PM

I ate organic foods before going paleo and didn't consider myself all that unhealthy. I just allowed myself to eat the foods I wanted as well. Since going paleo i figured "hey i'm doing something great for my body" and thought all that cutting of the sugar and carbs, and the little processed food i did eat, would make a difference. I think I'm finding that my body just might need more exercise to get to the goal I want. But I was told to not "over exercise" on this diet and that it can backfire. So it leaves me confused.

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on April 25, 2011
at 07:46 PM

Here's the link to Jodi's testimonial: http://robbwolf.com/2011/03/28/real-life-testimonials-jodis-paleo-diary

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 25, 2011
at 07:42 PM

I didn't mean "I ate everything" as in one sitting.I meant it as in there was no food i didn't eat, My diet was vast. And I think its pretty standard to eat twizzlers in a movie theater or a small popcorn. My old philosophy was "everything in moderation". On weeks were I did have an ice cream sunday, or happen to eat more I would just work out a lot more to balance it out. It seemed to work fine for me. That's why I'm scratching my head rt now. Because I have cut out sooooo much in my diet, especially sugar and carbs, and it doesn't seem to make a lick of difference.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

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on April 25, 2011
at 07:07 PM

I agree with this method for leaning out. Very similar results.

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on April 25, 2011
at 04:48 PM

I hate to harp, but this post has made me really angry. I'll just come out and say it. That video you linked is NOT dancing. I'm a terrible dancer, and even I could do that. I know that's a bad argument when it comes to "art," but it's rather insulting to a REAL professional dancer to call that woman "an athlete." Because that's what real dancers (including my girlfriend) are! They can do things that normal people can't do. My fat neighbor Miguel could do what that woman did...She could never in a million years do what my girlfriend does, or others I know...She's too fat.

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on April 25, 2011
at 04:37 PM

This makes sense to me. If you cut-down too much, your body might go into starvation mode and would try to hold on to any food that you ate.

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on April 25, 2011
at 03:59 PM

+1 for common sense. In my exp. if you are overweight, you'll lose. If you are underweight, you will lose any skinnyfat, and might even gain weight. When you eat what you are supposed to eat, you will settle where you are supposed to settle.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 25, 2011
at 03:35 PM

I eat a ton of 100% cacoa chocolate daily......for longevity

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 25, 2011
at 01:05 PM

Dr K, how do you "treat" or slow down premenopause if you can?

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on April 25, 2011
at 12:37 PM

I'm not saying it's necessarily bad, I'm saying you have to count it. My guess about why you used to tolerate that stuff and don't now is simply that you are older. A body will only take such abuse for so long. If you must cut your calories make sure you are getting adequate protein.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 25, 2011
at 07:47 AM

Thank you for the psmf i'll try that.As for the carb counting issue, eating a salad and a coconut shake in a day while exercising, is it really that bad? From going from what I used to eat, I thought id lose weight. I used to eat anything and everything. Ice cream Sundays were my favorite, I ate them at least once a week. a bag of twizzlers and small popcorn at the movies. a drunken slice of pizza here and there.To go from eating what I craved at the time, to eating a salad w/ no dressing and a shake, for an entire day.I cut my carbs and calories in half, at the very least.

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on April 25, 2011
at 07:14 AM

Yeah! I was gonna say...that's alot of carbs from veggies!

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on April 25, 2011
at 03:12 AM

I wouldn't recommend the Healthy Color Steamables made by Green Giant. I didn't notice when I bought them, but they have added sugar. =/

6ab7cd262d13f83de8b65d6ff1ed63fa

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on April 25, 2011
at 03:08 AM

I wasn't recommending the 25% carbs, just sharing my personal experience. Like I said, I don't eat much in the way of fat other than what comes in with my protein sources. But to answer your question, I'll give you an example from my foodlog : Tuesday. Total stats : 1268 calories, 53g Fat (36.5%), 120.6g Protein (36.97%) and 86.4g Carbs (26.5) My Carb sources: 3.3g from eggs, 17.6g from an orange, 4.5g from Jenni-O pre marinated turkey tenderloin, 48g from an entire bag of Healthy Colors Steamables, 6g from salad toppings, 4g from lemon juice, 2.5g from 1/2c of cali blend.

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on April 24, 2011
at 11:54 PM

"Healthy at any weight" is giant, stinky crock of doodoo.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on April 24, 2011
at 10:34 PM

Low carb does not raise cortisol.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 24, 2011
at 10:05 PM

she says she is quite fit so I doubt the thyroid is a real problem unless its autoimmune Hashimoto's.....and no chance she'd be a broadway dancer if so. Her energy would not be there. I really think her cortisol is thru the roof.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 24, 2011
at 10:00 PM

women are beginning perimenopause much earlier and the first effect is almost always energy level and weight gain around the belly. It is exacerbated by anything that elevates cortisol. That is why so many women struggle......they work out even more do more cardio and they get fatter even when they are eating few calories. Its hormones. And the sad part is my profession just seems asleep at the wheel. Especially the OB GYN's

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on April 24, 2011
at 09:56 PM

"can i go back to working out like a nut, and eating a little more?" if you're not getting enough calories, you will effectively convince your body New York is having a food shortage and it will hang on to weight in order to try to protect your long term well being. Eat as much as you want/need, just get a *lot* of those calories from fat.

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on April 24, 2011
at 09:45 PM

belly fat. So, if you're not getting enough fat as well as restricting calories, your body is not going to shed weight.

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on April 24, 2011
at 09:37 PM

iodine *deficiency* could make your thyroid sluggish. i started thinking about it, like i said, due to a bout of pretty dry skin. Also I don't eat processed food or iodized table salt, and a few environmental things have changed for me so now i eat less seafood (not by preference) blah blah, so it was something that occurred to me. I have always been really lean and fit, so i never thought it was an issue. As for fat, you *have* to get over that. That right there is your problem. Fat burns. It's fuel source number 1! I've always eaten high fat and have never had significant cellulite or

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on April 24, 2011
at 09:29 PM

o_0 you are right, there is no sense to get into it. and really, the argument that people go into paleo to not be fat... maybe it's you. I am here to be healthy. people get into bulimia b/c they don't want to be fat. Focusing on that is dangerous. and I am not kidding, being fat=/=unhealthy. same as skinny=/=healthy.

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on April 24, 2011
at 09:07 PM

I like your recommendations, just not the 25% carbs...that's kind of alot, no? What are your carb sources?

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on April 24, 2011
at 09:05 PM

Not to mention that alot of people end up going paleo to NOT BE FAT. I convinced my mom to start paleo for that very reason! Fat is never healthy and the US surgeon general is a total liar, trying to keep the people down by keeping them fat, apathetic and stupid. It's not their fault they've swallowed (literally) the lies of the establishment about what to eat...but it's not a permanent condition. Human beings are not biologically suited to be overweight. Doesn't one of the major arguments of this lifestyle have to do with evolution and survival of the fittest?

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on April 24, 2011
at 08:54 PM

I really don't want to even get into an argument about fatism. But your claim that you can't "see" if someone is unhealthy based on their weight...you're kidding right?

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on April 24, 2011
at 08:35 PM

Having more weight doesn't equal indulgence. As you know there are multiple reasons of why people are bigger, especially women. Linking fat with indulgence is one of the biggest simplifications and mistakes. Who know what this dancer eats? She probably exercises a lot being a professional dancer. I don't think she eats twinkies and donuts only.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on April 24, 2011
at 08:33 PM

Futureboy - I can't get why you had to say "I don't want to offend". There are many different styles of dancing, and I understand that the classic ballet is different to modern dance. What I do find offensive, is your cruel and baseless judgement about the woman's health. There are unhealthy skinny and fat people with heart issues. Weight is no indicator for heart disease. That is pure fatism and stereotype-based judgement.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

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on April 24, 2011
at 08:15 PM

ya, about the salad, you ate my bacon. And I also did a pretty intense workout after eating only the salad at 7pm.I told you not to put cream in the shake!! And why 4tbs of butter!? Your making me fat! :) will someone please tell him to not use that much butter please!!

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 24, 2011
at 08:04 PM

I wouldn't give up dancing for the world, and allowing myself to indulge and gain would be forfeiting. The business is the business... It will never change, you can either complain or comply.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

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on April 24, 2011
at 08:02 PM

I have been really skinny my whole life. As I said in the 90lb range, and that was with out dieting.Right now I'm 5'2" under 120lbs w/ a ton of muscle. My goal/optimal weight which i have been before and was healthy is 110lbs.I haven't had any trouble getting down to that in the past. I understand as I get older my body is preparing me for pregnancy and it will get harder and harder to maintain that weight. But tough cookies. If i want to be hired I must maintain 110lbs or under, whether or not my body wants me to.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 24, 2011
at 07:42 PM

I had never thought of that. My gaining weight, is like 5lbs.I don't think it's all that abnormal to fluctuate 5lbs on and off.It's just frustrating as 5lbs makes a world of difference to my own eyes,and to the people who hire me. I am still a little afraid of eating too much fat.If i didn't have a deadline I probably wouldn't care as much. I don't think it's thyroid, but It's better to be safe than sorry. Thank you for the suggestion I'll have it checked out! As for Iodine that helps with the weight loss? I know nothing about iodine ...

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on April 24, 2011
at 07:41 PM

She's saying a small salad like it was 2 pieces of spinach. We actually both ate a big Cobb salad from Veselka with smoked turkey, bacon, boiled egg, and lots of red cabbage and spinach. And the coconut milk (a whole can) was in a shake with cream and blackberries/blueberries. I just fixed her shakes with a 3 egg omelet with mushrooms and scallions cooked in about 4 TBs of kerrygold and bacon. ;)

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

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on April 24, 2011
at 07:24 PM

Also, I'm gonna give it a little more time, as you said... my matabolizm hasn't yet switched to ketosis. It's just disappointing, that I didn't get down to my optimal weight for the photo shoot. As pictures last a life time.:( Can I go back to working out like a nut, and eating a little more? or is this going to cause a cortisol issue? I never had to think about any of this before. I used to just eat what ever i wanted, and go crazy w/class and the gym. Now i have to worry about intensive exercise making my tummy big?!

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

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on April 24, 2011
at 07:15 PM

Thank you! That totally helps with specific percentages. Also I love food! and before going paleo,I was a sugar queen. I thought that by cutting the sugar I would drop pounds. Then I cut the dairy, Then i cut pretty much all carbs. Yesterday I ate 1 small salad and some coconut milk. And that was it for the whole day! My stomache looks smaller today, but I'm shaking like a mother f*#$er from lack of food. Makes me wonder what I have to cut out and is this really sustainable? Before you tell me i need to eat more fat and protein, It makes me gain! what's a girl to do?!

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on April 24, 2011
at 07:02 PM

this is not an attack on your taste, but that woman looks like she'd have a heart attack if she ran a flight of stairs.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

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on April 24, 2011
at 07:01 PM

It's so weird to me, because before going paleo, I would eat some sort of heavy carb at least once a week. Like a pasta or a pizza, I ate a lot of Sandwiches on wheat or 7grain bread. And now in an entire week, the only carbs ive had was some white rice on 1 sushi roll. And it doesn't seem to make much of a difference. Seriously its no carbs everyday with the exception of 1 sushi roll. So there maybe something to this low carb- cortisol issue. But I also agree with you Rose, us woman seem to plump up when even looking at potato.

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on April 24, 2011
at 06:57 PM

And this especially: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuJxYmJlEHY. Not to be a jerk (I know I'm going to be villified for this), but the Avant Garde tends to be a refuge for the talentless.

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on April 24, 2011
at 06:56 PM

Don't want to offend, but this is more along the lines of what my girlfriend aims for style/skill-wise and aesthetically: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1DqfJtd3sU

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on April 24, 2011
at 06:56 PM

Those little seasnax packets are great! You can just munch on the seaweed, or I crumble up a few strips and throw it into whatever I'm cooking.

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on April 24, 2011
at 06:54 PM

My experience has been similar to yours. I am dealing with major stress/cortisol issues. But I was before I went Paleo too (more so even) and could drop or maintain weight easier then. My stomach looks like a lil beach ball after 5 months of Paleo. Adding in some carbs again has actually helped me, since it seems to take the edge off the stress. It's a difficult thing for someone in your position to experiment with - exactly how many carbs to have, since as you said, your body is your profession. I certainly agree with Dr. K that we're already dealing with perimenopause- complicated!

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on April 24, 2011
at 06:46 PM

Not sure about her thyroid, but we definitely need more iodine in our diets. I have been thinking about trying to incorporate seaweed into some of the meals I cook for us.

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on April 24, 2011
at 06:36 PM

wow! ya, It had never occurred to me, about perimenopause. It seemed so far in my future, I never saw it as something that would gradually happen starting now, yikes! Thank- you for the great advice and reading material!

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on April 24, 2011
at 06:36 PM

Those are good points, Mari. If carbs go up, then (IMO) calories gotta go down, which means lowering fat & protein. And micronutrient deficiencies can be hard to pinpoint, but critical, so I agree there. It took me three years to dial in the best way for me to eat, and I think for most weight- and health-challenged folks, persistence and tweaking (not constant, though -- give a change a few weeks to show results) are required.

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on April 24, 2011
at 06:20 PM

I avoid nuts, and chocolate, I am now completely dairy-free although I have never had any allergies. Fish oil doesn't make me break out, I'm not gassy and not depressed. I also wanted to get some answers as to my specific workouts. As high intensity has a range of meanings. As I am trying to let go of my workout more weigh less attitude. Running to me isn't high intensity, an intense day to me consists of 2 ballet classes (90 min each) and 2 hrs at the gym. In conclusions this is a completely different question.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

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on April 24, 2011
at 06:09 PM

Thank you Dr.K! @ paleonyc I know it's not sufficient evidence, but i was also using many threads like the one you posted, and advice from a trainer who said " high fat/high protein works better for men", and also my own eyes from the before and after's and it made me question ... I had not made up my mind, simply asked a question. Not to categorize at all but that thread did not apply to me 100% as i have never been overweight. Also, i was asking specifically for my lifestyle and workouts. I don't have any of the specific food aversions that valkyrie does, I love lamb, I love ghee.

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on April 24, 2011
at 05:45 PM

I think that people don't necessarily decrease their fat and protein calories when they do increase carbs, which may be a factor. Also, some people, like you said, just aren't insulin sensitive and haven't taken many steps (beyond just going paleo) to correct that. Things like IF and correcting any micronutrient deficiencies can be very helpful.

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on April 24, 2011
at 05:42 PM

who cares if it was asked before. It obviosuly did not help her here. We need to be compassionate and help instead of following rules.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on April 24, 2011
at 05:18 PM

Go ahead and try this if it speaks to you, but I gotta say -- most of the women I've seen on various forums, including myself, who increase carbs (a la Kwasniewski, or other higher-carb "low-carb" plans) gain weight at an incredible pace on higher carb. If you're a carb-sensitive woman, and I'm guessing that most of us with two X chromosomes, this is a path to getting fat, and fast, too.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on April 24, 2011
at 05:14 PM

I'll second this advice. There's no reason to be hungry -- I eat around 2,000 calories a day, last time I did the numbers -- but I had to keep dropping carbs to break looooong stalls. Most people don't have to go "zero-carb," but I'm one of those who did have to drop carbs entirely, and I can tell you, it's totally do-able, and there's no reason to feel deprived or hungry, ever. Go as low as you have to on carbs -- you'll find out what your body can tolerate through experimentation there -- but eat plenty.

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on April 24, 2011
at 02:24 PM

the difference in weight loss between you and your boyfriend is not sufficient evidence to make a claim about the efficacy of the diet based on biological sex. overexercise, stress and insufficient sleep can all create a cortisol problem which is notorious for promoting continued belly fat, even with a dialed-in diet.

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on April 24, 2011
at 11:46 AM

another point I would make to you.....since you have instituted change you seem to be expecting immediate results. Youre switching fuel sources and effecting your hormonal status as you do. Give your body time to see it. Want some help seeing this from a womans perspective? Go to Robb Wolf's site and look for a testamonial of one of my patients Jodi Weibel. Read it. I think what she describes might help you understand what youre going through.

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on April 24, 2011
at 11:43 AM

So you asked us this, is paleo not ideal for my lifestyle? My answer is its neither......Your beginning to age and your hormone levels are falling simultaneously and your so young that this very issue never occured to you. Your hormone status has everything to do with how you partition calories, especially as a women. Moreover, if you take synthetic hormones for any reason or you eat processed foods or you live a stressful existence (high cortisol is very common on broadway due to short careers) it is clear to me why you are facing what you are. Keep reading and truth will reveal itself

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on April 24, 2011
at 11:39 AM

But the fact it happens is an immutable fact of biology. Because it happens you need to realize that you maybe facing a steeper slope of perimenopause. This may shock a 25 yr old but it should not. Youre not immune to our biology. I would strongly recommend you read an older copy of Suzanne Sommers book Ageless. She did a fine job explaining this in their and I think you would benefit greatly by reading what is really happening to you with respect to how you partion calories. As your estorgen falls it effects Lipoprotein lipase and Hormone sensitive lipase......and that is why it occurs.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on April 24, 2011
at 11:36 AM

All dieting including paleo is tougher for women because they are biologically more complex than men because they rely on more hormones to partition calories. They also have higher amounts of leptin because they are to carry the next generation where men dont. You likely are now beginning to run up against your own biology. What did I just say? Women at 20 have an estrogen to testosterone ratio of 20 to 1. At 25 it is 10 to one. At 30 it will be 6 to one and by 35 it falls to 2 to one. All the time it continues to fall with cell divisions. This is not the rate it happens to all women

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on April 25, 2011
at 06:52 PM

Males are far more sensitive to fructose intake than females. Considering that most overweight and obesity is caused in large part by fructose intake, simply cutting way back on that makes a huge difference for males. I think estrogen is the specific hormone responsible for the difference.

You should edit your original post to list what you honestly used to eat typically and what you've actually been eating in a day. "Paleo" is far too general and has too many variables that could work against you.

I've given it a lot of thought and I think a lot of people make the mistake of pulling everything out of their diet and replacing most of it with a ton of fat and then overshooting the amount they're able to burn in a day. Nobody in the paleosphere mentions it, but fat calories are actually the most likely to be stored as fat. Most of the protein that an athletic person eats is going to repair, most of the carbs to glycogen, but most of the fat will end up, at least temporarily in adipocytes. High fat, low carb is best for really sedentary obese people who have some symptoms of metabolic syndrome. Doesn't sound like you at all. This is what I recommend you do instead:

Replace the grains you were eating with 150g (of carbs) from rice, potato or sweet potato minimum. I just steam them and add nothing to it. I like my fat to be attached to my meat sources and my carbs to be clean. It sounds like you're depleting a large amount of glycogen, so you could eat more no problem. Carbs stored as glycogen have little effect on how much fat you lose.

Replace everything sweetened you were eating with berries. Strawberries, raspberries and blackberries are very low in fructose.

Replace standard eggs with pastured eggs, standard meat with grass-fed etc, as much as is possible.

Replace all industrial seed oils (soybean, canola etc.) with grass-fed butter.

Eat 1/4-1/2 lb of ruminant liver per week. This is absolutely vital for addressing potential micronutrient deficiencies. Smells and tastes bad, but it must be eaten. 1/4 lb isn't much. Make chili or something to mask the taste.

If I want to trim off some body fat, this is what a typical day looks like for me:

Breakfast: 3 scrambled eggs + 1 ~300g sweet potato or a bowl of berries

Lunch: Half of a chicken (I remove the skin if I'm looking to lose fat) + rice and a red bell pepper

Dinner: 1 lb lamb steak fried with a little butter + rice

Can of sardines or some miscellaneous meat if I feel hungry at all before bed.

I never ever go to bed hungry. If you're doing this, your diet is all screwed up.

If you look at the food from a paleohacks POV, it's high carb, high protein and low fat and everyone will tell you that this is horrible, but it's really effective for rapidly losing fat while preserving muscle. There's actually a fair amount of healthy fat present in the egg yolks, the dark meat of the chicken, the lamb and the sardines. You don't have to eat like this forever, just when you want to lose fat. When you reach a bodyfat level that you are comfortable with, you take that template and pad it with a little bit more fat here and there. Maybe add butter to the rice or potatoes or choose a fattier cut of meat or eat the chicken skin etc. As it's listed, it's low calorie, high satiety and while slightly boring, still sufficiently satisfying in volume. I lift weights 6 days a week, so I need a lot of carbs, but I can't imagine that your dancing is all that different.

Anyway, consider giving this a try for a few weeks and see how you do. The typical bodybuilder's cutting diet resembles this composition because it's highly effective. As a recovering vegan, muscle catabolism is simply not an option, so low carb just isn't on the table.

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on April 26, 2011
at 05:28 PM

ok. I might try the US Wellness Liverwurst, as it's made from their beef liver.

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on April 25, 2011
at 07:07 PM

I agree with this method for leaning out. Very similar results.

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on April 26, 2011
at 12:04 AM

as predicted, there was a "told ya so!" when I got home. We really like Braunschweiger here, is it an adequate substitute for the liver you recommend?

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on April 26, 2011
at 05:04 AM

Pork liver isn't as good unless it's a wild pig or something, but it's a lot better than nothing.

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on April 25, 2011
at 07:48 PM

Great answer Travis! The excess fat-per-meal not being burned is gonna get me in trouble with her though! There's gonna be some "I told ya so's" being thrown around at my house later...guaranteed!

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on September 18, 2011
at 02:32 AM

Boy, I really had a lot less tact back then.

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on April 24, 2011
at 02:46 PM

You asked: Is paleo not ideal for my lifestyle? A lifestyle where i need to be able to drop 10lbs to be seen as a ballerina for a role...and then a few weeks later gain so I can look voluptuous for a different kind of role? Is this at all possible with paleo??

No, I don't think paleo is ideal for this kind of jumping around with weight, losing and gaining and losing again. Paleo should help your body find it's setpoint, so if you are alrady underweight it is probably not going to help you lose more weight. Dr. K's comments about women's hormones are a good starting point to understanding this.

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on April 25, 2011
at 09:54 PM

It is totally common sense, but I don't think what I'm trying to achieve is all that common.It's not really an option for me to settle where I'm going to settle. Just as an Olympic athlete wouldn't settle. Did you see Black Swan Joshua? The movie totally portrayed the crazy pressure to be perfect. Not just from your self but, from the higher ups as well.It is pretty on par with what the business is actually like. I just wish to do so by being healthy, and not bulimic like Natlaie Portman's character.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

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on April 25, 2011
at 09:57 PM

(As weight loss, I guess, is more of the focus. Weight gain, from what I gathered, seems to be pretty easy and healthy on this diet.)

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on April 25, 2011
at 09:55 PM

(as weight loss i guess is more of the focus. Weight gain, from what I've gathered on here, seems to be easy and healthy on this diet.)

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on April 25, 2011
at 03:59 PM

+1 for common sense. In my exp. if you are overweight, you'll lose. If you are underweight, you will lose any skinnyfat, and might even gain weight. When you eat what you are supposed to eat, you will settle where you are supposed to settle.

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on April 24, 2011
at 06:41 AM

Unfortunately, unlike men, many women find that they have to cut back on carbs to lose weight on Paleo. This generally means less than 20 net carbs (carbs minus fiber) per day. This does not mean, however, that you should confuse carbs with calories or cut back on portions. There is no reason to be hungry when you are eating Paleo. Keep your fat high, at least 70%, and keep your portions healthy. I frequently eat over 2000 calories a day, but stay under 20 net carbs. My typical day is 70% fat, 25% protein and 5% carbs. I recommend cutting out the fruit and measuring any nuts (a good source of fat) so you don't get carried away with them. I've lost 20 pounds on VLC Paleo without going hungry.

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on April 24, 2011
at 05:14 PM

I'll second this advice. There's no reason to be hungry -- I eat around 2,000 calories a day, last time I did the numbers -- but I had to keep dropping carbs to break looooong stalls. Most people don't have to go "zero-carb," but I'm one of those who did have to drop carbs entirely, and I can tell you, it's totally do-able, and there's no reason to feel deprived or hungry, ever. Go as low as you have to on carbs -- you'll find out what your body can tolerate through experimentation there -- but eat plenty.

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on April 24, 2011
at 07:15 PM

Thank you! That totally helps with specific percentages. Also I love food! and before going paleo,I was a sugar queen. I thought that by cutting the sugar I would drop pounds. Then I cut the dairy, Then i cut pretty much all carbs. Yesterday I ate 1 small salad and some coconut milk. And that was it for the whole day! My stomache looks smaller today, but I'm shaking like a mother f*#$er from lack of food. Makes me wonder what I have to cut out and is this really sustainable? Before you tell me i need to eat more fat and protein, It makes me gain! what's a girl to do?!

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on April 24, 2011
at 07:41 PM

She's saying a small salad like it was 2 pieces of spinach. We actually both ate a big Cobb salad from Veselka with smoked turkey, bacon, boiled egg, and lots of red cabbage and spinach. And the coconut milk (a whole can) was in a shake with cream and blackberries/blueberries. I just fixed her shakes with a 3 egg omelet with mushrooms and scallions cooked in about 4 TBs of kerrygold and bacon. ;)

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on April 24, 2011
at 08:15 PM

ya, about the salad, you ate my bacon. And I also did a pretty intense workout after eating only the salad at 7pm.I told you not to put cream in the shake!! And why 4tbs of butter!? Your making me fat! :) will someone please tell him to not use that much butter please!!

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on April 28, 2011
at 12:16 AM

Great comment. I've been very confused the past month.I grew up in an athletic and "healthy" house hold. So even though I had the tendency to some what ignore healthy choices, I at least thought I had a pretty good understand about health nutrition and exercise. Then last month I decided to give into paleo, and it has turned my world upside down.I don't feel like I know anything anymore, as a lot of people have posted about "over exercise". I think your very right though,I think I set my body's bar pretty high when I started exercising at the age of three.

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on April 25, 2011
at 11:28 PM

if i could upvote "use more butter" twice, i would!

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on April 25, 2011
at 07:56 PM

Use more butter Futureboy! She needs the fat-soluble vitamins. ;)

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

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on April 28, 2011
at 12:23 AM

Great comment! I've been very confused the past month...I grew up in an athletic and "healthy" house hold. So even though I had the tendency to some what ignore healthy choices, I at least thought I had a pretty good understand about health nutrition and exercise. Then last month I decided to give into paleo, and it has turned my world upside down.I don't feel like I know anything anymore. A lot of people have posted about "over exercise". I think your very right though,I think I set my body's bar pretty high when I started exercising at the age of three.And now I have to keep it up in order

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on April 26, 2011
at 04:32 AM

i'm not sure about cutting carbs. You're very active and already fairly close to your goal weight. You need to fine tune not fix a broken metabolism. what i DO think is you're throwing a LOT at your body all at once. New food, different training, stress about a photo shoot, all at once. I do get why you'd listen to your fella about food, but your dance prep? As a dancer since the age of 3, I think you probably have a decent idea of what is "too much" for you. As a trained dancer you might need more exercise than the average bear to exert you. Also why are you letting him eat your bacon?? ;)

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on April 28, 2011
at 12:29 AM

order to sustain."Maybe I need a little more exercise than most" Totally makes sense to me. I've just been so turned upside down, and a lot of paleo peeps talk of over exercise. It's hard figuring out what things to listen to and what things to not. I'm sure i'll find my way eventually. As for the bacon... I like it, I've been eating it more at breakfast but i still can't bring myself to eat more than 2 pieces a day, I feel it's gonna make me fat, I have a hard time letting go of that one.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 28, 2011
at 12:25 AM

Great comment! I've been very confused the past month...I grew up in an athletic and "healthy" house hold. So even though I had the tendency to some what ignore healthy choices, I at least thought I had a pretty good understanding about health, nutrition, and exercise. Then last month I decided to give into paleo, and it has turned my world upside down.I don't feel like I know anything anymore. A lot of people have posted about "over exercise". I think your very right though,I think I set my body's bar pretty high when I started exercising at the age of three, and now I have to keep it up in

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on April 28, 2011
at 12:20 AM

And now I have to keep it up in order to maintain. This is all a learning curve for me. So what's the truth/myth to all this over exercise business? I had learned from an early age to push yourself to the max. Take a complete rest once a week, and then go go go. I thought that was a no no w/ paleo? I'm kinda confused...

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on April 24, 2011
at 06:05 AM

IMO, completely false.

First of all, stop cutting back. You need to eat.

I am a woman. High fat diets are the only diet that have worked for me. I lost 45lbs on it with practically zero effort. Here's the thing - the more I restricted calories, the less I lost. Meanwhile if I put away in excess of 2000 (some days in excess of 2500) calories of mostly fat, the weight fell off me.

I will stop losing if I: 1. Restrict calories 2. Have carb creep 3. Eat dairy 4. Eat fruit

Take that for what it's worth, a study of one.

As for dropping 10 lbs one week and then gain another week is probably possible. I'm not really sure it's healthy, but if I had to do it, I'd go very high fat practically zero carb unrestricted calories to lose quickly. Then, lower fat and add fruit and dairy to gain it back.

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on April 25, 2011
at 04:37 PM

This makes sense to me. If you cut-down too much, your body might go into starvation mode and would try to hold on to any food that you ate.

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on September 18, 2011
at 12:51 AM

It worked for you because you had 45 lbs to lose. And you probably were not a professional dancer. If you are a very active, very thin woman, there is no reason to go low carb.

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on March 01, 2012
at 09:45 PM

Grain Free, did you have a lot of weight to lose, or not so much?

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on September 18, 2011
at 12:58 AM

Say what?? Take it from someone with an extensive athletic background: If you are extremely active (i.e. you are a professional dancer) there is NO REASON for you to go low carb. Even if you honestly believe it's the healthiest way to be in the long long term, wait until after you retire. Life is too short to trade your passion/livelihood for some optimal fueling strategy for when you're middle aged. And I'm not convinced it is optimal, but I'm just saying that in case you are.

Anyway, Paleo is not low carb. You do not need a low carb diet and I don't see any reason why you would benefit from it. DO NOT EAT LOW CARB. Eat any kinds of potatoes with the skins removed, white rice if you want. Add those in. If anything I would limit fruit as a carb choice.

And, similarly, "chronic cardio" might not improve your health but if you need to cut weight for a week, do it. Especially if you're used to it, eating slightly less and working out more is a lot more enjoyable than eating a LOT less and trying to squeak by. That kind of cardio is great for cutting weight, just not for improving your fitness.

I have learned every lesson above myself. And honestly, I have yet to meet one person in a similar situation who has not learned similar lessons.

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on April 25, 2011
at 12:07 AM

The most effective and safest fast weight loss that I know of is the PSMF (protein sparing modified fast). It's completely paleo compatible. Basically, you eat your body's requirements for protein, and nothing else. Long term, you wouldn't want to stay this low in calories or fat, but for a get-the-fat-off emergency, it is probably your best bet.

By the way, from your comments on various answers, it seems like you might not be counting all your carbs. For example, if you add up all the carbs in a cup of coconut milk (even without the berries!), and a cobb salad, you might be surprised how much that can add up to.

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on April 25, 2011
at 07:47 AM

Thank you for the psmf i'll try that.As for the carb counting issue, eating a salad and a coconut shake in a day while exercising, is it really that bad? From going from what I used to eat, I thought id lose weight. I used to eat anything and everything. Ice cream Sundays were my favorite, I ate them at least once a week. a bag of twizzlers and small popcorn at the movies. a drunken slice of pizza here and there.To go from eating what I craved at the time, to eating a salad w/ no dressing and a shake, for an entire day.I cut my carbs and calories in half, at the very least.

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on April 25, 2011
at 12:37 PM

I'm not saying it's necessarily bad, I'm saying you have to count it. My guess about why you used to tolerate that stuff and don't now is simply that you are older. A body will only take such abuse for so long. If you must cut your calories make sure you are getting adequate protein.

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on April 24, 2011
at 02:45 PM

How low carb are you going? Low carb can increase cortisol, which may explain the belly fat. You might try shooting for 100-150 grams a day, particularly if you're active. Have you read the perfect health diet blog at all? He has some interesting posts on why low carb doesn't always work.

Another thing to consider is micronutrient deficiencies. Those can cause weight gain, and people who aren't eating very much are particularly susceptible.

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on April 24, 2011
at 10:34 PM

Low carb does not raise cortisol.

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on April 24, 2011
at 07:01 PM

It's so weird to me, because before going paleo, I would eat some sort of heavy carb at least once a week. Like a pasta or a pizza, I ate a lot of Sandwiches on wheat or 7grain bread. And now in an entire week, the only carbs ive had was some white rice on 1 sushi roll. And it doesn't seem to make much of a difference. Seriously its no carbs everyday with the exception of 1 sushi roll. So there maybe something to this low carb- cortisol issue. But I also agree with you Rose, us woman seem to plump up when even looking at potato.

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on April 24, 2011
at 06:36 PM

Those are good points, Mari. If carbs go up, then (IMO) calories gotta go down, which means lowering fat & protein. And micronutrient deficiencies can be hard to pinpoint, but critical, so I agree there. It took me three years to dial in the best way for me to eat, and I think for most weight- and health-challenged folks, persistence and tweaking (not constant, though -- give a change a few weeks to show results) are required.

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on April 24, 2011
at 05:45 PM

I think that people don't necessarily decrease their fat and protein calories when they do increase carbs, which may be a factor. Also, some people, like you said, just aren't insulin sensitive and haven't taken many steps (beyond just going paleo) to correct that. Things like IF and correcting any micronutrient deficiencies can be very helpful.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on April 24, 2011
at 05:18 PM

Go ahead and try this if it speaks to you, but I gotta say -- most of the women I've seen on various forums, including myself, who increase carbs (a la Kwasniewski, or other higher-carb "low-carb" plans) gain weight at an incredible pace on higher carb. If you're a carb-sensitive woman, and I'm guessing that most of us with two X chromosomes, this is a path to getting fat, and fast, too.

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on April 24, 2011
at 06:52 AM

how's your thyroid/iodine intake? i obviously know nothing about you, so this could totally be off base, but as a healthy woman who has never had any kind of serious weight issues, and certainly none by American standards, I was surprised to discover I might have a borderline issue. Still looking into it. In my case, persistent dry skin was what led me to think about it. It seems like you express a bit of a tendency to gain a little weight even though you're young and active. Consider a blood test to see where you're at.

Anyways, I agree with the above posters who said high fat is important, so don't be afraid of that.

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on April 24, 2011
at 06:46 PM

Not sure about her thyroid, but we definitely need more iodine in our diets. I have been thinking about trying to incorporate seaweed into some of the meals I cook for us.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

(531)

on April 24, 2011
at 06:56 PM

Those little seasnax packets are great! You can just munch on the seaweed, or I crumble up a few strips and throw it into whatever I'm cooking.

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(5136)

on April 25, 2011
at 11:06 PM

All I'm saying is don't rule it out, because you're young and say youve always been healthy so it might be subtle and a test is only money, after all.

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(5136)

on April 24, 2011
at 09:37 PM

iodine *deficiency* could make your thyroid sluggish. i started thinking about it, like i said, due to a bout of pretty dry skin. Also I don't eat processed food or iodized table salt, and a few environmental things have changed for me so now i eat less seafood (not by preference) blah blah, so it was something that occurred to me. I have always been really lean and fit, so i never thought it was an issue. As for fat, you *have* to get over that. That right there is your problem. Fat burns. It's fuel source number 1! I've always eaten high fat and have never had significant cellulite or

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(13978)

on April 25, 2011
at 07:58 PM

Aaand being on broadway, she's probably not getting quality sleep. She's likely sleeping from 2 am to 10 am or less!!

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 24, 2011
at 07:42 PM

I had never thought of that. My gaining weight, is like 5lbs.I don't think it's all that abnormal to fluctuate 5lbs on and off.It's just frustrating as 5lbs makes a world of difference to my own eyes,and to the people who hire me. I am still a little afraid of eating too much fat.If i didn't have a deadline I probably wouldn't care as much. I don't think it's thyroid, but It's better to be safe than sorry. Thank you for the suggestion I'll have it checked out! As for Iodine that helps with the weight loss? I know nothing about iodine ...

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(5136)

on April 24, 2011
at 09:45 PM

belly fat. So, if you're not getting enough fat as well as restricting calories, your body is not going to shed weight.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 24, 2011
at 10:05 PM

she says she is quite fit so I doubt the thyroid is a real problem unless its autoimmune Hashimoto's.....and no chance she'd be a broadway dancer if so. Her energy would not be there. I really think her cortisol is thru the roof.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 25, 2011
at 09:49 PM

I actually sleep a ton.I do sleep late hrs though, my clock is pushed back a little later than most. I usually don't go to bed before 2am. but i sleep till 12pm most days (some days even more) My Mom and Dad are appalled at how late I sleep, they think there's something wrong with me. But could that be a problem? too much sleep?

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(5136)

on April 25, 2011
at 11:05 PM

Sounds very familiar... my Mom has antibodies for T3 and that could be part of my problem, or iodine deficiency, as eating one sheet of kombu seemed to improve my dry leg skin 100x literally overnight, or I could have subclinical hypothyroidism. Not sure which, when I have the $$ I will get some more tests, as what i have now is incomplete. But I have always been very fit, lean and strong with very good endurance-I attribute that to having eaten pretty well most all of my life. Sleep pattern was really similar to yours, night owl who likes to sleep until satiated, 10 hours sometimes.

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1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

(2231)

on April 25, 2011
at 03:49 PM

stop avoiding everything. stop counting so much, and if you can dont eat before bed so you sleep better(and try sleeping longer). get some sun. Curcumin found in tumeric should help cortisol naturally balance out. make sure your digestion is in order, being a stressed out 'dieting' dancer signals youre prolly deficient in l-glutamine, maybe try taking some mixed with water when you wake up.

it sounds like you have a very odd and disordered habit in your eating/dieting past(ice cream sunday, twizzlers, 'eating everything in site') and that much bouncing around from diet to diet is prolly the worst thing you can do to yourself. you need to work with your hormones and not against them. get in some starch post workout because your a chick, and your body is either gonna fight you on the hormones and you can go to the doc to get meds or you can figure out how to work WITH your hormones and enhance your cortisol(high and low at the RIGHT times) and make sure your providing the vita/min your body needs

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 25, 2011
at 07:47 PM

I ate organic foods before going paleo and didn't consider myself all that unhealthy. I just allowed myself to eat the foods I wanted as well. Since going paleo i figured "hey i'm doing something great for my body" and thought all that cutting of the sugar and carbs, and the little processed food i did eat, would make a difference. I think I'm finding that my body just might need more exercise to get to the goal I want. But I was told to not "over exercise" on this diet and that it can backfire. So it leaves me confused.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 25, 2011
at 07:42 PM

I didn't mean "I ate everything" as in one sitting.I meant it as in there was no food i didn't eat, My diet was vast. And I think its pretty standard to eat twizzlers in a movie theater or a small popcorn. My old philosophy was "everything in moderation". On weeks were I did have an ice cream sunday, or happen to eat more I would just work out a lot more to balance it out. It seemed to work fine for me. That's why I'm scratching my head rt now. Because I have cut out sooooo much in my diet, especially sugar and carbs, and it doesn't seem to make a lick of difference.

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6ab7cd262d13f83de8b65d6ff1ed63fa

on April 24, 2011
at 08:09 PM

I don't want to sound like Paleo is the Holy Grail. It works for me, or I wouldn't be here. But I also have different goals for going paleo than what you do. I have much more weight to lose and am not even close to being healthy as is. Almost 3 weeks and just over 10lbs (4.25% BW ) so far.

An issue I had when switching to paleo is that my plumbing decided to shut off. My stomach got larger because I had what my husband calls a "food baby". Probiotics worked wonders. I swear by them so I make sure my gain isn't from not going to the loo.

Don't go hungry. That's a sure way to feel really crappy, regardless of what diet plan you're trying to follow. Personally, I don't like to eat as much fat as most people here probably. I don't like things drizzled in oil and I despise avocado. I tend to only make it to about 25% fat, 25% carb, and 50% protein. I like meats to say the least. I also don't eat as many calories because of it (typically 1000-1200, though I'm told I should be eating around 1600 as my BMR is in the 2250 area), but I feel great and that's what counts. I don't feel famished or worn out even after a workout that kicks my rump.

Every time I feel like I'm plateauing, I tend to suprise my body and change up the ratios of what I eat. I'll have next to carbs one day, drinking a ton of water, and then a normal (~50-80g carbs)+a tiny bit extra(maybe 10g more) just to let my body know food is abundant.

Listen to your body. If you feel like you need to eat light. eat a BIG salad. Veggies aren't the carb machines that fruits are. Eggs in the salad are a good way to add some protein and fat without it being too much. I love salads and utilize them often. I don't even like dressing mostly. Just the juices from whatever meat I decide to put into it tend to be enough for me.

Lastly, do what works for you. If you want to go paleo, but are restricted by your work, so be it. You have to do what you have to do. I'm probably going to get flack for that, but I understand that this might not work for all people.

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(5639)

on April 24, 2011
at 09:07 PM

I like your recommendations, just not the 25% carbs...that's kind of alot, no? What are your carb sources?

6ab7cd262d13f83de8b65d6ff1ed63fa

(50)

on April 25, 2011
at 03:08 AM

I wasn't recommending the 25% carbs, just sharing my personal experience. Like I said, I don't eat much in the way of fat other than what comes in with my protein sources. But to answer your question, I'll give you an example from my foodlog : Tuesday. Total stats : 1268 calories, 53g Fat (36.5%), 120.6g Protein (36.97%) and 86.4g Carbs (26.5) My Carb sources: 3.3g from eggs, 17.6g from an orange, 4.5g from Jenni-O pre marinated turkey tenderloin, 48g from an entire bag of Healthy Colors Steamables, 6g from salad toppings, 4g from lemon juice, 2.5g from 1/2c of cali blend.

6ab7cd262d13f83de8b65d6ff1ed63fa

(50)

on April 25, 2011
at 03:12 AM

I wouldn't recommend the Healthy Color Steamables made by Green Giant. I didn't notice when I bought them, but they have added sugar. =/

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(5639)

on April 25, 2011
at 07:14 AM

Yeah! I was gonna say...that's alot of carbs from veggies!

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on April 24, 2011
at 06:23 PM

The Paleo way of living/eating is to bring what is optimal for your body. Maybe very skinny is simply not healthy nor optimal for you? I know it's against what the expectations are, but these expectations are unhealthy and very strict. Women can be wonderful dancers without risking their health. You should eat healthy (paleo) and whatever your body does with it, that's what is optimal for you. You also need time to get used to new changes, women have so many hormones and complex regulations, that we can't expect our bodies act like some simple mechanic toy.

By the way, here is one of the most beautiful dancers I've seen (esp. check after 1:45):

http://youtu.be/VQhESNW10fk

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(5639)

on April 24, 2011
at 09:05 PM

Not to mention that alot of people end up going paleo to NOT BE FAT. I convinced my mom to start paleo for that very reason! Fat is never healthy and the US surgeon general is a total liar, trying to keep the people down by keeping them fat, apathetic and stupid. It's not their fault they've swallowed (literally) the lies of the establishment about what to eat...but it's not a permanent condition. Human beings are not biologically suited to be overweight. Doesn't one of the major arguments of this lifestyle have to do with evolution and survival of the fittest?

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(5639)

on April 24, 2011
at 11:54 PM

"Healthy at any weight" is giant, stinky crock of doodoo.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on April 24, 2011
at 09:29 PM

o_0 you are right, there is no sense to get into it. and really, the argument that people go into paleo to not be fat... maybe it's you. I am here to be healthy. people get into bulimia b/c they don't want to be fat. Focusing on that is dangerous. and I am not kidding, being fat=/=unhealthy. same as skinny=/=healthy.

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(5639)

on April 25, 2011
at 04:48 PM

I hate to harp, but this post has made me really angry. I'll just come out and say it. That video you linked is NOT dancing. I'm a terrible dancer, and even I could do that. I know that's a bad argument when it comes to "art," but it's rather insulting to a REAL professional dancer to call that woman "an athlete." Because that's what real dancers (including my girlfriend) are! They can do things that normal people can't do. My fat neighbor Miguel could do what that woman did...She could never in a million years do what my girlfriend does, or others I know...She's too fat.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 24, 2011
at 08:02 PM

I have been really skinny my whole life. As I said in the 90lb range, and that was with out dieting.Right now I'm 5'2" under 120lbs w/ a ton of muscle. My goal/optimal weight which i have been before and was healthy is 110lbs.I haven't had any trouble getting down to that in the past. I understand as I get older my body is preparing me for pregnancy and it will get harder and harder to maintain that weight. But tough cookies. If i want to be hired I must maintain 110lbs or under, whether or not my body wants me to.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on April 24, 2011
at 08:35 PM

Having more weight doesn't equal indulgence. As you know there are multiple reasons of why people are bigger, especially women. Linking fat with indulgence is one of the biggest simplifications and mistakes. Who know what this dancer eats? She probably exercises a lot being a professional dancer. I don't think she eats twinkies and donuts only.

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(5639)

on April 24, 2011
at 08:54 PM

I really don't want to even get into an argument about fatism. But your claim that you can't "see" if someone is unhealthy based on their weight...you're kidding right?

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(5639)

on April 24, 2011
at 06:56 PM

Don't want to offend, but this is more along the lines of what my girlfriend aims for style/skill-wise and aesthetically: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1DqfJtd3sU

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(5639)

on April 24, 2011
at 07:02 PM

this is not an attack on your taste, but that woman looks like she'd have a heart attack if she ran a flight of stairs.

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(5639)

on April 24, 2011
at 06:57 PM

And this especially: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuJxYmJlEHY. Not to be a jerk (I know I'm going to be villified for this), but the Avant Garde tends to be a refuge for the talentless.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 24, 2011
at 08:04 PM

I wouldn't give up dancing for the world, and allowing myself to indulge and gain would be forfeiting. The business is the business... It will never change, you can either complain or comply.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on April 24, 2011
at 08:33 PM

Futureboy - I can't get why you had to say "I don't want to offend". There are many different styles of dancing, and I understand that the classic ballet is different to modern dance. What I do find offensive, is your cruel and baseless judgement about the woman's health. There are unhealthy skinny and fat people with heart issues. Weight is no indicator for heart disease. That is pure fatism and stereotype-based judgement.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on April 25, 2011
at 09:40 PM

[...] That is NOT paleo. It might be necessary for the business, but claiming it's health is wrong. And it is possible to be healthier while overweight than too thin. Gypsyloo might want to chose between what she loves (dancing) and health. But it might be that she can't have both. If her body is healthiest with a few more pounds on, choosing profession that requires to be under this optimal composition should be a conscious decision, realizing the risks. and really, insulting this dancer doesn't look good. [...]

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on April 25, 2011
at 09:44 PM

[...] Gymnasts, sprint runners, heavy weight wrestlers or weight lifters are all athletes. Gymnast won't be able to do what the weight lifter does, sumo wrestler won't be able to do what the high jump athlete does... No need to highlight own skills by insulting someone else's. A bit more respect and calm would be great.

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(5639)

on April 25, 2011
at 10:23 PM

I'm very calm. I just dislike your assumption that you have advice to give about dancing, and then hold up a very unfit "dancer" as support to your point. It undermines your entire argument, yet you continue to support your belief (and it is just that) that one could be healthy while being OVERweight. It's even called OVERweight. Gee I wonder why?

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on April 25, 2011
at 09:35 PM

It looks like I got onto your toes really badly, wasn't my intention. But really, angry? I didn't say anywhere that your girlfriend should stop taking care of herself, put on 100Ibs and promote new, fluffy dancing style. I am angry when people get into paleo to lose weight, obsessing over every ounce of fat, even beyond what's healthy. It makes me angry when people make hurtful and offensive comments about fat AND skinny people. Gypsyloo mentioned herself that she is doing what is beyond health care to lower the weight - not eating enough, going around hungry [...]

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 24, 2011
at 06:44 AM

As for whether paleo is better for men than women, there should be no appreciable difference, so long as you take into account the differences between men and women. Men certainly can lose weight more easily, as our low estrogen isn't working against us to store calories for pregnancy.

Between different people, it has different effects as well. Find what works for you. That said, you probably won't find a lot of advice on how to gain/lose ten pounds in a week here.

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05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on April 26, 2011
at 01:46 AM

my 2 cents - eating is a hormonal event for both sexes, and the body likes to stay the same (homeostasis) and will react to large dietary changes, even if they are better in the long term. it is true that between age 20 and 30, people begin to rapidly age biologically. this culture with mineral-depleted diets and processed foods in childhood, vegetarian myths, aerobic/cardio myths, etc... all these stresses are cumulative and are chipping away at us behind the scenes. for the time being, in the career that you are in, find a female paleo strength ands conditioning trainer that is in good health hormonally. someone who is already past age 30 or 40, because they will know first hand how to help you age gracefully and transition without making mistakes. you are in new york so you have the resources at hand, the internet is good, but not a substitute for functional testing, etc. get the full gamut, bone density tests, micronutrient, hormone panels, GI function tests. see where you are at now. work with SANE people who have experience and are walking the talk.

as for the strict culture of your workplace, interview those who have already gone through it and really see if they have massive injuries, cancers, how their lives are after they are no longer in their prime by broadway standards. it might shock you.

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61852721b5ff3613f56f043fe890a679

(1172)

on April 24, 2011
at 02:22 PM

i feel like we just discussed this in another thread; in fact, we did.;)

http://paleohacks.com/questions/33909/confused-on-how-to-lean-out-on-high-fat/33915#33915

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 24, 2011
at 05:42 PM

who cares if it was asked before. It obviosuly did not help her here. We need to be compassionate and help instead of following rules.

61852721b5ff3613f56f043fe890a679

(1172)

on April 24, 2011
at 02:24 PM

the difference in weight loss between you and your boyfriend is not sufficient evidence to make a claim about the efficacy of the diet based on biological sex. overexercise, stress and insufficient sleep can all create a cortisol problem which is notorious for promoting continued belly fat, even with a dialed-in diet.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 24, 2011
at 06:20 PM

I avoid nuts, and chocolate, I am now completely dairy-free although I have never had any allergies. Fish oil doesn't make me break out, I'm not gassy and not depressed. I also wanted to get some answers as to my specific workouts. As high intensity has a range of meanings. As I am trying to let go of my workout more weigh less attitude. Running to me isn't high intensity, an intense day to me consists of 2 ballet classes (90 min each) and 2 hrs at the gym. In conclusions this is a completely different question.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on April 24, 2011
at 06:09 PM

Thank you Dr.K! @ paleonyc I know it's not sufficient evidence, but i was also using many threads like the one you posted, and advice from a trainer who said " high fat/high protein works better for men", and also my own eyes from the before and after's and it made me question ... I had not made up my mind, simply asked a question. Not to categorize at all but that thread did not apply to me 100% as i have never been overweight. Also, i was asking specifically for my lifestyle and workouts. I don't have any of the specific food aversions that valkyrie does, I love lamb, I love ghee.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 25, 2011
at 03:35 PM

I eat a ton of 100% cacoa chocolate daily......for longevity

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