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Intermittent fasting really works, or I really lost some muscle LOL?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 07, 2011 at 8:15 AM

Hey guys. This isn't really a request for any major hacking, just a general wondering, as I was stunned on the scale this morning!

I posted a couple of questions here to support my newly-adopted IF:ing, being the unsure-and-optimizing nutritional nerd that I am:

http://paleohacks.com/questions/35311/intermittent-fasting-with-8-hr-feed-16-hr-feed-fat-intake#axzz1LeKjxMiz

http://paleohacks.com/questions/36039/hill-sprint-workouts-during-intermittent-fasting-post-workout-carbohydrates#axzz1LeKjxMiz

I had 2 full weeks in of 8/16 IF:ing, out of which last 3-4 days I had more PWO carbs than before (90-120 grams sweet potato + veggies, still paleo), after some LHT+CF combined workouts. Really felt great about everything. Week ago on a saturday I did some hill sprint HIIT-workout, it was a little rainy + chilly, don't know if it was that but I had developed a bit of sore throat + runny nose by monday evening (not in any way am I suggesting that any nutritional choice (paleo, IF or the high-ish carbs) had anything to do with this). Sunday I did my usual type of gym workout.

I was traveling for work monday-through friday, and had to drop IF for tuesday-thursday, but still ate sound paleo-style meals (had one glass (seriously one) red wine thursday night). Due to my sore-ish throat, I didn't do any heavy lifting or any other type of hard workout. I prolly should have just rested alltogether, but i did fasted low-intensity 30-45 minute morning walks on tuesday (breakfast right after) and friday (had some BCAAs and fasted for about 4-5 hours more before having a nice pile of Salmon and veggies, and returning to my regular IF routine). Hadn't lifted weights since last sunday and definately didn't eat over maintenance (more like 0-300 cals under, protein in check every day). Today I weighed myself, and I was 167 pounds, down from 174 on monday morning (couldn't scale myself on the trip). Now even I know that this sort of drop or pace isn't safe by any standards, and I wasn't THAT sick this week (had appetite and drank fluids everyday etc. attended the seminar that the trip was for).

I'm guessing the reason behind the big drop in the scale was, the fact that my morning weigh-ins last weekend I had some water retention (or maybe BMs) from eating huge PWO meals 100-120 grams of carbs as opposed to 60-70 daily carbs? I mean I guess I can see some level of leaning-out when I look in the mirror since starting IF, but its not like i got a six pack with 2 walks and 3-day pause from IF between in 5 days :) If I hadn't been sick, I would be happy to declare this all a great combination of IF, paleo and a short deload period, which it still might very well be. We'll see how it goes when I hit the gym today or tomorrow, hope I don't collapse under the empty barbell (kidding.)

I'm guessing I broke the plateau :) Love IF, had a "target weight" of 170 pounds for the summer, and was "stuck" at 176-178 for a couple of months. I really think I shouldn't weigh any less, so I absolutely need to stop talking about weight loss and start thinking body recomposition, and maybe even performance (yes!). I'm going to keep IF:ing and possibly upping my daily calorie intake a bit, and MAYBE (here comes the "reason" for this post), every now and then it might be beneficial to intermittently...not intermittently fast for a couple days and keep the body guessing, while still eating sound paleo choices.

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on July 02, 2011
at 03:42 PM

lol "eat less!" not if you ever want to get past 170lb, you might feel/look more ripped but you're never going to gain more muscle without giving your body surplus

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on May 07, 2011
at 01:46 PM

Firstly it sounds great: you're enjoying it, you feel good, and you weigh less (if that is important to you). Awesome all around. I would caution that a drop from 174 to 167 is still in the water range, with a bit of fat included prolly. I'm pretty good at controlling my weight and can go up or down 10 pounds with diet choices. From one hardcore beer night with a shitmeal in there i moved from 169 to 178 within 5-6 days. Then you go keto and scale it back down, etc. Anyway, like i said if you're happy and you feel good and you can still perform the way you like whats not to like?!

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on May 07, 2011
at 11:32 AM

I know. Systematically in the same sentence with intermittent fasting. Nutritional nerd - 100%. :D

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on May 07, 2011
at 11:12 AM

I've been following the 8hr/16hr way daily for now. It's been pretty easy to incorporate it to my life (work & excercising), and I think I'll stick with it, maybe try the Eat Stop Eat at some point. I've been trying to read forums and blogs about what's been working for people. At least people who are doing IF the leangains-way do it pretty "strictly" and similarly day-to-day (excl. cheats, which i don't do.) I do think that even with the daily 8/16 protocol some kind of timing-trickery might be beneficial, but I didn't find anything about systematically "taking breaks" from the 8/16 IF'ing.

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E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on July 02, 2011
at 03:45 PM

Some weight was probably water retention from more glycogen. Each gram of glycogen holds 3 grams of water. You for sure lost some lean mass and fat too.

I've tried IF and might be good for longevity but in my experience it's not good for building muscle.

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on June 18, 2011
at 02:40 PM

My answer is to describe my own experience with intermittent fasting. I'm 6'2, 170 lbs, thin, lean frame, and I want more size to my body. I've had this body since 8th grade, and I've always eaten tons of all kinds of food desperately trying to gain weight, and it never happened. I'm 22, I've been paleo for 6 months now, and I haven't gained weight, but have a nicer and more attractive body that I've been wanting for a long time. I think I notice growth in my muscles right after I fast. So now I know, if I want to gain size, eat less! at least for me anyways.

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on July 02, 2011
at 03:42 PM

lol "eat less!" not if you ever want to get past 170lb, you might feel/look more ripped but you're never going to gain more muscle without giving your body surplus

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on May 07, 2011
at 10:56 AM

That's why it's called "intermittent" - by definition, it's not regular! I apply plenty of randomness, mostly based on how I feel. I don't plan IF, but I skip breakfast for a 16/8 thing whenever I don't feel like eating in the morning. It works out to 2-4 times per week and sometimes 3 days in a row and sometimes not for 4-5 days.

It sounds like you are right on track. Way to go!

8d1ce78fe7071f2f60fd59365bf21cfc

(580)

on May 07, 2011
at 11:12 AM

I've been following the 8hr/16hr way daily for now. It's been pretty easy to incorporate it to my life (work & excercising), and I think I'll stick with it, maybe try the Eat Stop Eat at some point. I've been trying to read forums and blogs about what's been working for people. At least people who are doing IF the leangains-way do it pretty "strictly" and similarly day-to-day (excl. cheats, which i don't do.) I do think that even with the daily 8/16 protocol some kind of timing-trickery might be beneficial, but I didn't find anything about systematically "taking breaks" from the 8/16 IF'ing.

8d1ce78fe7071f2f60fd59365bf21cfc

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on May 07, 2011
at 11:32 AM

I know. Systematically in the same sentence with intermittent fasting. Nutritional nerd - 100%. :D

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on July 03, 2011
at 01:41 AM

What's muscle LOL?

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