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I think I am still eating too many/wrong carbs?

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Created January 30, 2013 at 4:16 AM

My focus at this time is weight loss and lowering body fat. I hadn't realized that the yogurt for breakfast was so high in carbs and sugars. I think I will have to change my breakfast choices.

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43a4ef6f58026d1593004aebe542d597

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on January 30, 2013
at 11:12 PM

"Jump start" and "stay steady" are not wrong. They are just easier ways of describing the science in a way that normal people can understand. You have to know how to teach people who don't know everything you know, not talk down to them like they are ignorant. Which a few people on here tend to do (not you necessarily). You can throw all the science you want at a beginner, but all your going to do is make them feel stupid and turn them the other way. Walk, crawl, run, in that order.

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on January 30, 2013
at 11:08 PM

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to get me to say. You are saying the tips I gave work. But you want me to site a scientific study to prove it. You sound like the doctors that say no disease has ever been cured by diet alone, because you can't prove it. Whatever your point, it's not helping DaveNay achieve his goals. My own studies with my own body and my clients substantiate #2, 3, and 4. I sleep better without a bunch of food in my gut and I wake up feeling more energetic, as do most of the people I have helped.

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on January 30, 2013
at 10:37 PM

Fifth, i'm afraid of what sorts of research you do put your faith in. Can you cite something that substantiates #2, 3, or 4? Sixth, results do matter. But just because your mom lost 65 lbs doesn't mean she couldn't have lost 70 doing something else.

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on January 30, 2013
at 10:35 PM

First, I'm not saying that your tips won't work - I am just saying that they won't work for the reasons you described. (ie metabolism won't be "jump start", metabolism/insulin won't "stay steady", and not everybody "sleeps better"). Second, you should read the context of "nibbling and gorging": http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494 Third, congrats on helping your mom and yourself. Martin Berkhan has helped a lot more people, including himself. Not that IF is the best route for the OP - I think cleaning up food is. Forth, 1000 calories of sugar/spinach is irrelevant to my points.

43a4ef6f58026d1593004aebe542d597

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on January 30, 2013
at 08:32 PM

I helped my mom lose 65 pounds eating this way. Over the last 10 years, I personally have lost 20 pounds of fat and gained 20 pounds of muscle without ever counting a calorie. 1000 calories of sugar is different than 1000 calories of spinach, any way you look at it. I could care less about the Thermal Effect of Food. To say the timing of your meals means nothing, is ridiculous. I appreciate a different look at things. But I personally wouldn't put any faith in that research. Results are what matter.

43a4ef6f58026d1593004aebe542d597

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on January 30, 2013
at 08:25 PM

Pascal: thank you for the insight. I'm always open to knew ideas. That was an interesting read. At least the first part that I read. I had to stop after the fist "myth." The initial question here was pertaining to weight loss. I am a personal trainer and that is kind of my forte. After reading statements such as, "…no difference between nibbling and gorging." I had to stop. Any personal trainer who says this to a client needs to be fired. I may not have explained the exact science behind some of my tips, but I do know they work.

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on January 30, 2013
at 06:35 PM

This is why step #1 is CLEAN OUT THE PANTRY. http://robbwolf.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/thePaleoSolution_QuickStart.pdf

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on January 30, 2013
at 06:28 PM

Lando, I think you should check out some research regarding your points #2,3, and 4. Here's a start: http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html While I agree that the OP would probably be helped by #1 and 4, the reasons aren't due to what you described.

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on January 30, 2013
at 05:37 PM

If the fishsticks were a moment of weakness when you didn't have any dinner ideas you need to PLAN AHEAD! There's no tweak to your carbs that is going to help you if you can't stick to it because you don't have a plan of what to eat or the right kinds of foods in the house. (And incidentally, I would disagree on the natural applesauce, if you don't have any known insulin problems it's probably cool. But both the yogurt and fishsticks are atrociously high in processed carbs.)

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on January 30, 2013
at 03:25 PM

Yes, also peanuts are legumes so not as optimal. Unsweetened organic almond, cashew or hazelnut butter are much better choices.

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on January 30, 2013
at 03:24 PM

Yeah, this isn't a Paleo diet. Way too processed.

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on January 30, 2013
at 02:46 PM

Thanks BK. I actually have Walleye from my fishing trip to Canada last fall thawing in the fridge today.

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at 02:28 PM

If you have to have fish sticks, here are 2 yummy paleo options: http://www.health-bent.com/seafood/paleo-fish-sticks http://www.health-bent.com/seafood/paleo-seafood-balls-with-homemade-tartar-sauce Although my personal seafood balls weren't near as lovely as theirs ... more like squashed seafood blobs. But they look like chicken nuggets and my kids scarf them down. :)

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at 02:02 PM

I'll admit the fish stick are terrible. It was a moment of weakness being hungry and making them for my 4 year old son, then not having any ideas of dinner for my wife and me. The mayo was homemade...eggs & olive oil & spices only. The PB was a spoonful afternoon munchie.

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on January 30, 2013
at 04:49 AM

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the yogurt isn't the only thing that you need to stop eating.

The Grandma Hoerner's Big Slice Applesauce? TONS of sugar from apples/apple juice. Get rid of it.

Van De Kamp's fish sticks -- This is probably the worst Paleo offender on that list. It has wheat, vegetable oil, preservatives, sugar, MSG, and a host of other crap. GET RID OF IT.

Mayonnaise -- if it's your own homemade Paleo mayo using only eggs, olive oil and salt, that's great; but if it's something horrible like Kraft mayo, get rid of it.

Jif peanut butter -- Peanuts are a legume, hence, not Paleo. And Jif is also a hydrogenated vegetable oil (i.e. TRANS FAT) and sugar bomb. Get rid of it.

Clean up your diet. You will notice a difference.

513587882111828e619d66f2a146b627

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on January 30, 2013
at 02:46 PM

Thanks BK. I actually have Walleye from my fishing trip to Canada last fall thawing in the fridge today.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on January 30, 2013
at 03:24 PM

Yeah, this isn't a Paleo diet. Way too processed.

513587882111828e619d66f2a146b627

(198)

on January 30, 2013
at 02:02 PM

I'll admit the fish stick are terrible. It was a moment of weakness being hungry and making them for my 4 year old son, then not having any ideas of dinner for my wife and me. The mayo was homemade...eggs & olive oil & spices only. The PB was a spoonful afternoon munchie.

35ba1f50dad25c85ac1aa2599fe5c5cb

(2485)

on January 30, 2013
at 05:37 PM

If the fishsticks were a moment of weakness when you didn't have any dinner ideas you need to PLAN AHEAD! There's no tweak to your carbs that is going to help you if you can't stick to it because you don't have a plan of what to eat or the right kinds of foods in the house. (And incidentally, I would disagree on the natural applesauce, if you don't have any known insulin problems it's probably cool. But both the yogurt and fishsticks are atrociously high in processed carbs.)

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

(5802)

on January 30, 2013
at 02:28 PM

If you have to have fish sticks, here are 2 yummy paleo options: http://www.health-bent.com/seafood/paleo-fish-sticks http://www.health-bent.com/seafood/paleo-seafood-balls-with-homemade-tartar-sauce Although my personal seafood balls weren't near as lovely as theirs ... more like squashed seafood blobs. But they look like chicken nuggets and my kids scarf them down. :)

F25ac7fa62bb88e547ddae69e79f9dee

(100)

on January 30, 2013
at 06:35 PM

This is why step #1 is CLEAN OUT THE PANTRY. http://robbwolf.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/thePaleoSolution_QuickStart.pdf

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on January 30, 2013
at 10:56 AM

LOL @ Van De Kamp's Xtra Large Crunchy Fish Sticks

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43a4ef6f58026d1593004aebe542d597

on January 30, 2013
at 05:18 PM

You wanna lose some weight/bodyfat? There are a few little things you can do to help promote weightloss without dramatically changing your lifestyle. If you already know all of these things I'm about to write, maybe it will help someone else reading these posts.

1.As you already admitted, the fish sticks might not be your best choice for your dinner protein. You would be better off eating un-breaded chicken, turkey, fish, etc. You know the good meats.

  1. Skip the apple sauce. Just have an apple.

  2. You should try to have something a little more substantial than just a yogurt for breakfast. I understand that it's hard to take time to make breakfast in the morning when you are in a rush, but a bigger meal with more protein (i.e. eggs, spinach, sausage), will help jump start your metabolism without the added sugar that yogurt has. Also, drink a glass of water first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. It's a good way to flush your digestive system.

  3. Try to eat a healthy meal every 2-4 hours (every 3 works well). This will help keep your metabolism and insulin levels stay steady throughout the day.

  4. Try not to eat anything 3 hours before going to bed. Water is ok, but no food. You don't want your digestive system trying to digest food while you are sleeping. Everything slows as the day comes to an end. You will sleep better too.

  5. For each meal, try not to overeat. Just eat enough til you aren't hungry anymore. Or even if you are still a little hungry, you have another meal coming in a few hours, so no big deal.

  6. Drink lots of water. I know, a no brainier, but some people try, but still stay in a constant state of dehydration.

  7. If you are going to have healthier sweet foods, like fruit or dark chocolate, try to have them in the first half of the day. Your body will be able to burn the extra calories/carbs before you go to bed. Or, if you workout, try to time your sweet snacks around your workout.

  8. Workout. I'm sure you know that exercising is good for you and helps you lose weight, but some people think that running/cardio (aerobic exercise) is the only way to lose fat/weight. This is true to a point, but don't leave out weight training (anaerobic exercise). High intensity weight training can raise your metabolism for many hours, even up to 24, after you are done working out. Cardio also raises your metabolism, but on a much smaller scale.

  9. Sleep. Rest. Whatever you want to call it. It's good for you.

Ok, that's it. I hope this might help you reach your weightloss goals. Good luck!

43a4ef6f58026d1593004aebe542d597

(60)

on January 30, 2013
at 11:12 PM

"Jump start" and "stay steady" are not wrong. They are just easier ways of describing the science in a way that normal people can understand. You have to know how to teach people who don't know everything you know, not talk down to them like they are ignorant. Which a few people on here tend to do (not you necessarily). You can throw all the science you want at a beginner, but all your going to do is make them feel stupid and turn them the other way. Walk, crawl, run, in that order.

43a4ef6f58026d1593004aebe542d597

(60)

on January 30, 2013
at 08:25 PM

Pascal: thank you for the insight. I'm always open to knew ideas. That was an interesting read. At least the first part that I read. I had to stop after the fist "myth." The initial question here was pertaining to weight loss. I am a personal trainer and that is kind of my forte. After reading statements such as, "…no difference between nibbling and gorging." I had to stop. Any personal trainer who says this to a client needs to be fired. I may not have explained the exact science behind some of my tips, but I do know they work.

F25ac7fa62bb88e547ddae69e79f9dee

(100)

on January 30, 2013
at 10:37 PM

Fifth, i'm afraid of what sorts of research you do put your faith in. Can you cite something that substantiates #2, 3, or 4? Sixth, results do matter. But just because your mom lost 65 lbs doesn't mean she couldn't have lost 70 doing something else.

F25ac7fa62bb88e547ddae69e79f9dee

(100)

on January 30, 2013
at 10:35 PM

First, I'm not saying that your tips won't work - I am just saying that they won't work for the reasons you described. (ie metabolism won't be "jump start", metabolism/insulin won't "stay steady", and not everybody "sleeps better"). Second, you should read the context of "nibbling and gorging": http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494 Third, congrats on helping your mom and yourself. Martin Berkhan has helped a lot more people, including himself. Not that IF is the best route for the OP - I think cleaning up food is. Forth, 1000 calories of sugar/spinach is irrelevant to my points.

F25ac7fa62bb88e547ddae69e79f9dee

(100)

on January 30, 2013
at 06:28 PM

Lando, I think you should check out some research regarding your points #2,3, and 4. Here's a start: http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html While I agree that the OP would probably be helped by #1 and 4, the reasons aren't due to what you described.

43a4ef6f58026d1593004aebe542d597

(60)

on January 30, 2013
at 08:32 PM

I helped my mom lose 65 pounds eating this way. Over the last 10 years, I personally have lost 20 pounds of fat and gained 20 pounds of muscle without ever counting a calorie. 1000 calories of sugar is different than 1000 calories of spinach, any way you look at it. I could care less about the Thermal Effect of Food. To say the timing of your meals means nothing, is ridiculous. I appreciate a different look at things. But I personally wouldn't put any faith in that research. Results are what matter.

43a4ef6f58026d1593004aebe542d597

(60)

on January 30, 2013
at 11:08 PM

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to get me to say. You are saying the tips I gave work. But you want me to site a scientific study to prove it. You sound like the doctors that say no disease has ever been cured by diet alone, because you can't prove it. Whatever your point, it's not helping DaveNay achieve his goals. My own studies with my own body and my clients substantiate #2, 3, and 4. I sleep better without a bunch of food in my gut and I wake up feeling more energetic, as do most of the people I have helped.

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on January 30, 2013
at 04:50 AM

Generally we're against peanut butter. Especially something like Jif which is going to be super processed and have added sugar. I don't do any peanuts / peanut butter for a number of reasons, but if I were going to have any then it would be the "all natural" kind where the only ingredients are peanuts and salt (the kind you have to stir because it separates from the oil).

Also, what are those fish sticks breaded with? I bet it's a grain.

In general you have lots of name brand, processed food. It's better to buy things that don't come in boxes or bags. I like to say you should buy ingredients not things that have ingredients.

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on January 30, 2013
at 03:25 PM

Yes, also peanuts are legumes so not as optimal. Unsweetened organic almond, cashew or hazelnut butter are much better choices.

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on January 30, 2013
at 10:00 PM

You're eating 2050 in cals... 193g in carbs, 112g in fat, and 83g in protein. You need to at least eat 1g of protein per pound of body weight. If you workout eat higher carbs and lower fat...on your days off eat higher fat and lower carbs.

Your macro split should be 40%p - 35%f - 25%c (35c - 25f when you workout) of your total calories.

To find your macros...there is a lot of info so explore more then this one link.

http://www.freedieting.com/tools/nutrient_calculator.htm

Start by taking out all processed foods, learn your macros, and lift heavy.

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on January 30, 2013
at 06:04 PM

You may want to lose weight, but think about HEALTH, not only for you but for that four year old! The food products you rely on are not real food. They are loaded with sodium (salt is generally not bad, but the amounts in those processed foods makes it terrible), sugar, hydrogenated and omega 6 fats, and gut damaging Grains mostly GMO(look closely and nearly everything on your menu has some form of GMO corn or soy). 150 mg of sodium in YOGURT?????

You have a golden opportunity here to educate yourself and start providing REAL and healthful foods to your child and yourself. By feeding that child well you won't perpetuate yet another generation of obesity and industrial disease.

Lando has some great suggestions (though if you are eating good, nutrient dense real foods you wont find the need to eat every 2-3 hours)to get started that are healthy. Seek health and the weight loss will follow--and feed your child well, too. You'll be so glad that you did.

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