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I don't want to eat meat for awhile- hack this plan please!

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 05, 2011 at 4:06 AM

I have always tended to vegetarianism since I was a young girl, and have been strongly drawn towards fruitarianism and raw food diets. At other times, I like to eat good meat, and will eat quite a bit of it for awhile, but then feel the need or desire to go veg again. I've been eating paleo for several months now, and against my wishes have gained substantial weight as opposed to losing it like I hoped to, even when I did the whole thirty, and I've been strict (although not with calories, just with types of food). I've got cellulite in places I've NEVER had it before- not good. I'm not actively gaining, but I'm also not losing, and I really want to.

ANYWAY I have been chowing down on a grass-fed free-range organic meat extravaganza and now I really feel like I don't want to eat meat for awhile! I think I've had enough. I have recurring cravings for the full-fat raw milk to which I have access. I've been avoiding it but I keep wanting it!

Also the meat is really not jiving with my ashtanga yoga practice, physically I feel a bit heavy.

So this is what I want to eat:

raw fruit

raw milk with raw eggs and a little raw honey shake

green smoothies, both fruit and savory (I wish I had a juicer but I don't right now so it's smoothies)

steamed veg with lemon and fresh herbs

some coconut

fish

sweet potato/ winter squash

I want to keep it fairly low-fat and low-cal overall as that is the only way I've lost weight in the past. All attempts at low-carb have resulted in weight gain for me, and I've tried alot. I've tried high fat diets and while I understand it works great for some people the sad reality for me is that I now have more fat on my body. When I've cut out all fat I lost the weight quickly, but I don't really want to go that extreme. I still want animal products and fish but no red meat/ poultry for a few months.

To me this seems like a nourishing but not too heavy diet. What do you think?

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on January 06, 2012
at 11:15 PM

Can I come for dinner?

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 05, 2011
at 09:03 PM

Oh GWAR it's been too long. And yes 9 years old until next May, which means only 8 more years until I'm legal, so keep reminding yourself. I hope you're still having fun manscaping with your wife's expensive candles even while in the treehouse cave thingy with Kamal. Hey - you can wax each other! Lookit that..

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on October 05, 2011
at 07:44 PM

That's indeed awesome if it frees you from addiction to food. I eat monotonous, too. The same every morning (spiced egg shake) and a big meat-veggie dinner (meat/offal/bone broth/lc veggies). Forcing myself not to snack. I use salt and spices, though so that may contribute to my addiction to food. Looking forward to read more about the specifics. I don't suffer from coke addictions but all my life food was the biggest reward, so the effects are pretty huge.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 05, 2011
at 07:13 PM

Key changes - limited added fats/salt/spices, no sweeteners (natural or artificial), no alcohol. Generally monotonous diet day in, day out. Sounds awesome, doesn't it?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 05, 2011
at 06:57 PM

Key changes - no added fats, no salt, no spices, no sweeteners (natural or artificial), no alcohol. Sounds awesome, doesn't it?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 05, 2011
at 06:55 PM

Kamal and I will be sending a write-up to Stephan Guyenet hopefully soon and will outline the specifics our dietary changes. Regarding adaptation, I was overcoming a 3 liter per day Diet Coke addiction, so for me the withdrawal was pretty huge and I used Paleo friendly snacks as a substitute until I got over the hump. So it took me 2-3 weeks. Kamal was adapted virtually immediately and his diet is lower reward than mine for sure.

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on October 05, 2011
at 06:48 PM

what is low reward for you and how long did it take to "adapt"?

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on October 05, 2011
at 06:46 PM

One would suspect that but there are no studies showing neurological impairments in populations consuming large amounts of low-mercury fish, rather the opposite! It may be the selenium binding the mercury or DHA and EPA battling the negative effects of mercury.

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on October 05, 2011
at 06:45 PM

One would suspect that but there are no studies showing neurological impairments in populations consuming large amounts of low-mercury fish, rather the opposite! It may be the selenium binding the mercury or DHA and EPA.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 05, 2011
at 06:09 PM

GWAR missed you too J-Juba. At least my absence ensures you won't damage your computer while reading my posts and drinking beverages at the same time. Are you of legal age yet, because I feel dirty when I violate the print out of your profile picture and then have to remind myself that you are only 9 years old? It does not deter me, mind you, only a momentary pause.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on October 05, 2011
at 05:17 PM

I am right there with you. I am so sick of meat. I am trying just about the same thing as you. (But with gelatin).

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 05, 2011
at 04:56 PM

SQUEEEEEEE! Aravind has come out of the Treehouse of Doom! Nice to see you man. With you and Kamal making a rare appearance, like Nick Cave, this day of PH posting is good.(Oh, and its quite fun to say Salman Rushdie like "salad" but going long on the "l's")

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 05, 2011
at 04:54 PM

SQUEEEEEEE! Aravind has come out of the Treehouse of Doom! Nice to see you man. With you and Kamal making a rare appearance, like Nick Cave, this day of PH posting is good.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 05, 2011
at 03:59 PM

You are a dummy Kumar

2c2349bc7af0fedb59a5fe99dac9fae2

(2707)

on October 05, 2011
at 03:53 PM

Do you think mercury could be an issue if they are relying on most of their protein coming from fish?

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 05, 2011
at 03:20 PM

I wish! Noes, just a restauranteur. Met her twice, it was pretty cool.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 05, 2011
at 03:17 PM

I wish! Noes, a restauranteur after tho. Only two meet-n-greets for me , was nice :)

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 05, 2011
at 02:38 PM

Dude, I wish! Teddy Forstmann. Not sure if they're still together or not.. met her a couple of years ago.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 05, 2011
at 01:57 PM

Your friend's dad was Salmon Rushdie?!? If not, still cool.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 05, 2011
at 01:41 PM

Padma used to date a friends dad, she's very nice, but I was **seriously** disappointed that she didn't smell like bacon or cookies.. which yes, I had hoped for. Instant hearbreak and my crush was crushed.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on October 05, 2011
at 01:03 PM

don't talk about my girl, padma, Kamal.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 05, 2011
at 04:35 AM

I kinda crush on her madly myself.

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

(1652)

on October 05, 2011
at 04:16 AM

i once went to a reading of padma's book at the strand (my friend was crushing on her majorly). she pretty much waxed poetic about bacon for the better part of 20 minutes...

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Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

on October 05, 2011
at 04:19 AM

if you're open to fish, i'd do other sea creatures as well. oysters are great and they're sustainable. what about bone broths? i find them satiating and nutritious. sea vegetables like kelp might also be a good addition.

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21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 05, 2011
at 04:12 AM

First of all, you might get thrashed by paleohackers.

Second of all...looks good to me! Fresh, tasty, colorful. Seems like a meal plan Padma Lakshmi would have. I'm not sure what people will say regarding not getting any red meat--maybe that you want CLA, micronutrients from liver, etc etc. But whatever, lots of people don't eat ruminants and are just dandy.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 05, 2011
at 04:35 AM

I kinda crush on her madly myself.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 05, 2011
at 03:17 PM

I wish! Noes, a restauranteur after tho. Only two meet-n-greets for me , was nice :)

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

(1652)

on October 05, 2011
at 04:16 AM

i once went to a reading of padma's book at the strand (my friend was crushing on her majorly). she pretty much waxed poetic about bacon for the better part of 20 minutes...

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 05, 2011
at 03:59 PM

You are a dummy Kumar

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 05, 2011
at 04:54 PM

SQUEEEEEEE! Aravind has come out of the Treehouse of Doom! Nice to see you man. With you and Kamal making a rare appearance, like Nick Cave, this day of PH posting is good.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 05, 2011
at 04:56 PM

SQUEEEEEEE! Aravind has come out of the Treehouse of Doom! Nice to see you man. With you and Kamal making a rare appearance, like Nick Cave, this day of PH posting is good.(Oh, and its quite fun to say Salman Rushdie like "salad" but going long on the "l's")

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on October 05, 2011
at 01:03 PM

don't talk about my girl, padma, Kamal.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 05, 2011
at 01:41 PM

Padma used to date a friends dad, she's very nice, but I was **seriously** disappointed that she didn't smell like bacon or cookies.. which yes, I had hoped for. Instant hearbreak and my crush was crushed.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 05, 2011
at 02:38 PM

Dude, I wish! Teddy Forstmann. Not sure if they're still together or not.. met her a couple of years ago.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 05, 2011
at 01:57 PM

Your friend's dad was Salmon Rushdie?!? If not, still cool.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 05, 2011
at 03:20 PM

I wish! Noes, just a restauranteur. Met her twice, it was pretty cool.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 05, 2011
at 09:03 PM

Oh GWAR it's been too long. And yes 9 years old until next May, which means only 8 more years until I'm legal, so keep reminding yourself. I hope you're still having fun manscaping with your wife's expensive candles even while in the treehouse cave thingy with Kamal. Hey - you can wax each other! Lookit that..

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 05, 2011
at 06:09 PM

GWAR missed you too J-Juba. At least my absence ensures you won't damage your computer while reading my posts and drinking beverages at the same time. Are you of legal age yet, because I feel dirty when I violate the print out of your profile picture and then have to remind myself that you are only 9 years old? It does not deter me, mind you, only a momentary pause.

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D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 05, 2011
at 03:48 PM

I do not know any intelligent Paleo eater that does not eat meat. Kamal has beat it into my head that I am a dummy. He kinda sucks that way.

An example of my diet for the last 6 weeks as part of the Kumar and Kumar Escape From Rewardtanamo Bay experiment

  • Breakfast - 3 boiled eggs with sweet potatoes
  • Lunch - White rice with spinach (cooked in ghee), okra (cooked in ghee), homemade yogurt
  • Dinner - Spinach salad with 1-2 boiled eggs, yogurt with white rice or sweet potatoes
  • Snacks - banana, 85-90% chocolate, macadamia nuts

I no longer snack since I have adapted to low reward and do not feel hungry in between meals since I achieve satiety from my 3 primary meals

Note the lack of meat consumption...or gluten, or vegetable oils, or excess fructose. Down 10 lbs in 6 weeks after being weight stable for previous 6 months.

I would be concerned about going too low fat only because of the beneficial fat soluble micronutrition you might be missing out. If it is of any value, my macronutrient ratios during this period - Carbs 60%, Fat - 20%, Protein - 20%

My 2 cents - While meat does the body good and I do not dispute this, Paleo is not about meat consumption, but first and foremost about toxin avoidance.

Bottom line - I think your diet looks fine. Ok, back to my low reward cave...

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 05, 2011
at 06:55 PM

Kamal and I will be sending a write-up to Stephan Guyenet hopefully soon and will outline the specifics our dietary changes. Regarding adaptation, I was overcoming a 3 liter per day Diet Coke addiction, so for me the withdrawal was pretty huge and I used Paleo friendly snacks as a substitute until I got over the hump. So it took me 2-3 weeks. Kamal was adapted virtually immediately and his diet is lower reward than mine for sure.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 05, 2011
at 06:57 PM

Key changes - no added fats, no salt, no spices, no sweeteners (natural or artificial), no alcohol. Sounds awesome, doesn't it?

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on October 05, 2011
at 06:48 PM

what is low reward for you and how long did it take to "adapt"?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 05, 2011
at 07:13 PM

Key changes - limited added fats/salt/spices, no sweeteners (natural or artificial), no alcohol. Generally monotonous diet day in, day out. Sounds awesome, doesn't it?

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on October 05, 2011
at 07:44 PM

That's indeed awesome if it frees you from addiction to food. I eat monotonous, too. The same every morning (spiced egg shake) and a big meat-veggie dinner (meat/offal/bone broth/lc veggies). Forcing myself not to snack. I use salt and spices, though so that may contribute to my addiction to food. Looking forward to read more about the specifics. I don't suffer from coke addictions but all my life food was the biggest reward, so the effects are pretty huge.

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0d2dec01a5ed9363a9915e111ae13f7e

on October 05, 2011
at 04:18 AM

Fish, eggs, dairy, no processed junk, loads of veggies, tubers and fruit, two thumbs up from this caveman. Seriously sounds legit and not lacking.

2
24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

(9812)

on October 05, 2011
at 11:46 AM

I think it looks good! I second Smartcookie's oyster & sea veg recommendation.

2
1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on October 05, 2011
at 04:46 AM

Sounds great. Try and get some wild salmon. Dont skimp on the fish...

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on October 05, 2011
at 06:45 PM

One would suspect that but there are no studies showing neurological impairments in populations consuming large amounts of low-mercury fish, rather the opposite! It may be the selenium binding the mercury or DHA and EPA.

2c2349bc7af0fedb59a5fe99dac9fae2

(2707)

on October 05, 2011
at 03:53 PM

Do you think mercury could be an issue if they are relying on most of their protein coming from fish?

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on October 05, 2011
at 06:46 PM

One would suspect that but there are no studies showing neurological impairments in populations consuming large amounts of low-mercury fish, rather the opposite! It may be the selenium binding the mercury or DHA and EPA battling the negative effects of mercury.

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Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on January 06, 2012
at 11:05 PM

I think it sounds absolutely fine. If you're happy with eggs and fish most of the time then eat that.

Also remember you don't have to have meat every day or with every meal - take all the paleo advice and then make it your own - you have your own requirements.

On the subject of spiritual beliefs - I have been at this crossroads too... remember that plants are alive too, and if that isn't enough, loads of insects and other small creatures are killed in the production, shipping and storage of plant foods. Be grateful and respectful for what you receive, as whatever it is, almost inevitably something else gave its life for you to have it. At least a caveman hunted wild food, so the creature had a real life before it died - I think trying to eat wild where possible is a positive thing, obvious health benefits aside.

0
2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

on January 06, 2012
at 11:20 PM

cellulite usually means you are dehydrated....esp seems you are craving liquid(drink that milk!) and juicy veggies...do you drink enough water?

0
2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

on January 06, 2012
at 11:02 PM

cellulite usually means you are dehydrated....esp seems you are craving liquid(drink that milk!) and juicy veggies...do you drink enough water?

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on October 05, 2011
at 02:03 PM

You could use kombu kelp in fish broths, i use it ground on salmon and herring.

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