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How this is possible High Carb diet - Lost 40+ lb?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 27, 2012 at 7:37 AM

I've read "Solution" and "Blueprint" and fan of paleo, but this lady claims that she lost 40lb on raw vegetarian diet.

How it's possible? Is it high risk for insuline resistance and diabetes?

Freelea eats a diet that is 80% carbs mainly from fruit, 10% protein, 10% fat

UPDATE: carbs become glucose and get stored into fat a lot of exercise will burn glucose for sure but excess will be stored in fat right away if intensity of exercises are reduced also there is no protein source to builde muscles, did all this weight lose came from muscles and little bit from fat? How safe this diet for more than a few month? No protein, a lot of cardio exercises, lots of high carbs.

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on October 08, 2013
at 04:14 AM

I am curious if you stuck with it? Did you continue to gain, if yes.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

15 hours a day? Last time I slept that long was when I drank 2 liters of beer daily, took strong antihistamines and ate loads of sugar & starch. I can not sleep more than 11 hours now...

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on August 17, 2013
at 03:11 AM

wow, my test must have been really high the day I wrote that, any chick that is that hot but has no ass, well, really isnt that hot after all

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on August 15, 2013
at 01:17 PM

Youtube videos are the modern day Ladies' magazine articles.

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(10611)

on August 15, 2013
at 12:18 PM

You switched your diet based on a YouTube video?

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on August 15, 2013
at 12:17 PM

It works a lot better if you wrap bacon around the dates. But vegan is never about what's optimal, ancestral or common sense.

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on August 15, 2013
at 12:14 PM

Something more like a date for the crazy girl. Coconuts not allowed.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on October 18, 2012
at 02:58 AM

It's the healthiest way to live for you, no more.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

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on July 27, 2012
at 06:33 PM

Cliff's claim that you can eat 4000 calories on high carb and lose weight is pretty much false unless he can provide documented proof in the form of calorie records and weight charts. More likely is that he lives a very active lifestyle. If your body was inefficient at managing the energy intake of calories via glucose you would die from toxic levels of glucose in the bloodstream. The glucose goes somewhere - it's used in the muscles or stored as fat. Same with FFA, same with any other macronutrient.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

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on July 27, 2012
at 06:31 PM

Cliff is describing passing insulin resistance; low carb dieting causes the body to focus heavily on the fat metabolism and as such slows down the insulin metabolism. Our bodies adapt rather slowly, so it takes a few days to shift over to either system. A few days of high carb will cause regular insulin sensitivity to return. That being said, there is a HUGE difference between carbohyrdates from fruit and carbohydrates from refined sugar. There is also a larger difference between either when you eat to caloric excess.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

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on July 27, 2012
at 06:22 PM

Actually, Danny, that is all you need if you want to design something that gets off the ground.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

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on June 08, 2012
at 07:52 AM

wow ok...everything I have learnt the past six months has just been thrown out the window...now I am more confused than ever :( I guess everything in moderation is the best solution?

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on June 08, 2012
at 03:57 AM

low carb allows you to by-pass glucose metabolism and run on free fatty acids(as in old age and disease), its a bandaid fix.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

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on June 07, 2012
at 09:02 AM

is it better to be insulin sensitive or insulin resistant?? why does everyone go low-carb to reset insulin levels then??

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on June 07, 2012
at 01:30 AM

Low carb makes you less insulin sensitive and can probably make your insulin resistant depending on how low carb you go. Fast digesting carbohydrates increase insulin sensitivity in normal people. I personally do a diet of mainly fruit and animal protein. Avoiding unripe fruit such as apples, pears and bananas can improve the gassey feelings. Strained fresh squeezed OJ usually causes no issues. I would avoid nuts as they are very high in PUFA and probably degraded from being stored so long, animals fat/protein are a much better option.

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on June 06, 2012
at 12:46 PM

Well, interesting. Humans make saturated fat from carbohydrate anything past which goes to replenish glycogen stores.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

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on June 06, 2012
at 12:26 PM

I am so confused. Can someone please clarify that basically highfat/lowcarb does the same thing highcarb/lowfat would do? I could easily be a fruitarian...I think I might be gassey ... but I'd enjoy it a hell of a lot! I fricken love fruit :'( are nuts raw?!

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

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on June 06, 2012
at 12:24 PM

Wait what?! So high carb is actually good for improving insulin resistance? I thought that's why people go low-carb to reset their insulin sensitivity...but high carb does that too?! Oh man...why did I give up FRUIT?!? :'(

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on June 06, 2012
at 11:43 AM

Apes have hind gut fermentation that creates short chain saturated fats. For all the touted low-fat veganism of gorillas, they ultimately derive ~65% of their calories from fat, most of it saturated.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

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on June 06, 2012
at 11:00 AM

apes and deer were meant to eat that way though. i've seen the heart thing personally, but i am sure it's not in every case :)

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

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on June 06, 2012
at 10:55 AM

i agree! mzrdnan, i think low carb is more about appetite regulation for the average joe.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:45 PM

Low carb works because its very hard for most people to overeat on fat/protein. High carb works too for the same reason but with less down side like lowered metabolism etc. Just check out any high carb forum like mcdougall or even 30bananasaday. High carb diets make you the most insulin sensitive, this is clear from the scientific literature. Low carb diets make it so you can't pass a glucose tolerance test.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:29 PM

Wait, if carbs are hard to turn into fat, then why is there such a high focus on low carb diets?! Shouldn't it be low fat, high carb? What's worse, being overweight eating tons of fat? Or being insulin resistant at a healthy weight on high carb??! I get so confused on these forums...

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on June 04, 2012
at 05:22 PM

Sugar can be converted to fat so her body can just as well get a hold of fat like that, and the advantage is that PUFA is not ingested that way.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on June 04, 2012
at 04:03 PM

I don't even know if that's true. Starvation will do that, but she's eating a very high calorie diet. apes, deer, and all the other animals that eat a low fat diet do not suffer heart or brain damage because of it.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:52 PM

agreed, and that includes the heart and brain... eek.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:48 PM

agreed. like i said before, she is gorgeous but has a very childlike body that i dont think speaks for most women

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:45 PM

apples, grapes, and oranges are often done the same way. good to hear about your stomach! to each his own :)

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:22 PM

Why? At 1,000 calories a day, I doubt she's fertile. Do Paleo guys actually believe in Darwin, or is it just lip service?

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on June 04, 2012
at 01:54 PM

Bananas are often grown in giant orchards and are very stressed. Eating a ton of those bananas can be allergenic, if you have really ripe bananas from a good source they aren't bad. My satiety was never effected by raw vegan I think your stomach goes back to normal pretty fast.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

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on June 04, 2012
at 11:55 AM

i think an overlooked side effect of raw vegan is how your stomach is stretched and your relationship with satiety is altered... that DOES effect us long term.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

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on June 04, 2012
at 11:42 AM

she is beautiful, but her body is very childlike (except for breast implants).

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

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on June 04, 2012
at 11:42 AM

i think the fact that we think she looks good (like the ideal) is a side effect of living is a messed up society.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

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on June 04, 2012
at 11:39 AM

i don't think bananas are REALLY that much different than other foods... i feel that's a paleo "fear food." i did mostly bananas and also a time of no bananas. first i lost a ton of muscle, but eventually i started gaining weight. i got really thin, then eventaully chubby. but i also wasnt doing hardcore cycling the whole time.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 27, 2012
at 09:38 AM

If you eat craploads of fruit you do get protein though. And if she eats vegetables smoothies there's quite some protein in it too.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 27, 2012
at 09:37 AM

PrimalDanny makes a great point here.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:54 PM

Eating that many bananas is bound to cause trouble, especially if they are convtional cavendish.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

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on May 24, 2012
at 01:57 AM

ps - i definitely had a holy fear of fat and certainly looked anorexic, and many 811ers i believe actually are.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on May 24, 2012
at 01:56 AM

i ate mostly higher sugar fruits and was so bloated and water-logged. i lost muscle mass and i guess "weight", but my BF stayed the same. i actually DID eat almost 30 bananas a day, and it showed.

Bf96d0a97418613fcbd6ec2ec9a50f0d

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on February 10, 2012
at 04:44 AM

@Melissa - good points about unhealthy Barbie-type body!

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on January 28, 2012
at 09:59 AM

Fake breasts or not, not too skinny, flat tummy, she's hot as hell. But that diet, eewwww... OT, but I find it peculiar that (once again) it is a woman who judges character based on breast implants.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on January 28, 2012
at 03:07 AM

Too skinny, fake tits, no likey.

D5c8768927c463b363b109f18b7c16c4

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on January 27, 2012
at 09:55 PM

I find it hilarious that she also made a site about going all natural, yet she has implants, uses make up, dyes her hair and shaves.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 27, 2012
at 08:22 PM

Melissa, I would agree with you. Especially if the sporty sex appeal is the ratio of her waist to breasts. I think a lot of people would say she looks good because of that.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 27, 2012
at 06:38 PM

IMHO it's not fair to use your body to sell a diet if it's been modified through cosmetic surgery unless you have some kind of disclaimer on your site.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

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on January 27, 2012
at 06:37 PM

Yes I understand what you're saying Matt, I said the same in my answer. My point is very simply that is as unhelpful to people looking to achieve an energy balance to tell them that energy (for which they will hear calories) is all that matters as it is to tell someone trying to design a plane that the only thing that matters is that the plane generates more lift than it weighs. You wouldn't think yourself capable of aircraft design with that information, but people *do* think they can crack their diet with such little information. It's not helpful unless you can be bothered to qualify it.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 27, 2012
at 06:37 PM

yes, she's talked about her implants on 30bananasaday, but I've noticed she's now deleted the threads about them. Once she said she had to get them because she was diagnosed with a "concave chest."

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 27, 2012
at 06:30 PM

'stranded on a deserted island with a bicycle and no animals' LOL!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on January 27, 2012
at 06:29 PM

Danny, there's only one way to lose weight, and that's energy deficit. There are many ways however to achieve energy deficit.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 27, 2012
at 06:29 PM

You know I never noticed that she had implants before. Kind of takes the edge off the impressiveness.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on January 27, 2012
at 06:18 PM

I had lots of deficiencies because of it too.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on January 27, 2012
at 06:16 PM

Hahaha Melissa that's so true.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 27, 2012
at 06:14 PM

And to be honest if you look at her hips and thighs, it's quite clear she would look very eating disordered (like a pre-adolescent girl, though many men kind of like that) if she didn't have the breast implants in.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 27, 2012
at 06:13 PM

I edited this so we aren't driving traffic directly onto her site. She has trolled on here and is currently banned, so I don't want to earn her more hits.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 27, 2012
at 06:09 PM

A lot of people get raw on higher-fat raw vegan, but I don't know anyone who has gotten fat on mostly fruit, low fat.

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on January 27, 2012
at 05:54 PM

I should also say that the weight lifting makes a *massive* difference in how people partition energy. Without some sort of high intensity activity, mitochondrial atrophy will lead to a systemic energy substrate shift to glucose rather than fat.

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(39831)

on January 27, 2012
at 05:34 PM

Loon: What were you eating and how much weight did you gain?

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on January 27, 2012
at 05:34 PM

You're right; the vast majority (probably 95%+) of any given person's bodyfat started out as dietary fat. This is a fact too often overlooked 'round these parts.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on January 27, 2012
at 04:49 PM

I got fat on a mostly-raw vegan diet. Everyone is different.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on January 27, 2012
at 04:48 PM

the plane stays up because the pilot flies it that way

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on January 27, 2012
at 04:47 PM

+1 great answer

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

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on January 27, 2012
at 04:38 PM

Well yes, but saying that one of the ways is to *skin the cat* still isn't terribly helpful.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 27, 2012
at 03:54 PM

Definitely, I ended up suffering from a pretty bad vit A deficiency due to that diet.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 27, 2012
at 03:20 PM

yeah I lost a lot of weight on raw vegan too. Eventually you will feel depleted, but it's a great diet for losing weight.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on January 27, 2012
at 02:57 PM

There's more than one way to skin a cat. And believe it or not, it is completely possible to be healthy on a non-paleo diet! *gasp! blasphemy!*

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on January 27, 2012
at 02:35 PM

I absolutely love dates (which I discovered when I was looking for carb-dense fruits), but 20-30 on a sitting...

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on January 27, 2012
at 02:33 PM

Raw vegetarians always lose weight. You have to eat about 10# of food daily just to maintain your weight. Most of them are rail thin - in an unhealthy way.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on January 27, 2012
at 02:29 PM

A diet like this is still eating-disordered in my book.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

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on January 27, 2012
at 02:09 PM

I saw an article about science literacy in parents that had the question "How do planes stay up?" The 'proper' answer was that the wings generate more lift than the weight of the aircraft. Yes it's correct(ish), but saying that that's all that matters doesn't help engineers in their design.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on January 27, 2012
at 02:02 PM

I think I just puked a little: from her FAQ An average day might be: Breakfast: Datorade: 20-30 dates blended on high speed with around 1.2-1.5 litres of water plus cinnamon to taste. Around 1300 calories Lunch: 8-10 Mangoes/half a large jakfruit/3 pineapples Dinner: A baby green salad with 5 chopped up bananas and 5 dates. Put aside some dates and banana and blend as sauce.

9ffe43c6c5990ed710c7c49b12d6ee7f

on January 27, 2012
at 01:16 PM

@Bruno - Without dietary protein, the body does break down its own proteins (that is, muscle and tissue). She may look good now (so do many celebrities with eating disorders), but it's doubtful she's maintaining muscle mass with an raw vegetarian diet.

9ffe43c6c5990ed710c7c49b12d6ee7f

on January 27, 2012
at 01:12 PM

Agree with Danny, energy balance is way less important IMO than working with your hormones to lower your set-point. High-carb diets like this one can't produce long-lasting, sustainable weight-loss. At some point this woman's health will go downhill and she'll gain most if not all of the weight back when she drops all the cardio and calorie restriction. I would hate to have her metabolism right now, it must be seriously damaged.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on January 27, 2012
at 01:05 PM

You get the idea from some Taubes-ian paleo folks that carbs inhibit all weight loss, which is complete nonsense. Energy balance isn't overstated, it's like the theory of evolution or the theory of global warming. Widely accepted as how it all works. Current research support energy balance, not macronutrient hoodoo.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

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on January 27, 2012
at 12:28 PM

It's not a well=perpetuated myth in that case. Whereas the emphasis on energy balance is far more commonly overstated.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on January 27, 2012
at 12:16 PM

Frank, fruits and veggies aren't necessarily the best carbs. Also, she looks way too healthy, I can not believe her body is eating itself. It's not hard work eating nothing but fruit if you got the resources, the time, and a vitamix.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

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on January 27, 2012
at 11:41 AM

You shouldn't ever be *afraid* of fruit. And sure it's hard work to get fat eating nothing but fruit, but then it's hard work eating nothing but fruit.

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on January 27, 2012
at 09:35 AM

Standard American (Australian- same thing!) Diet.

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on January 27, 2012
at 09:23 AM

@Bruno - Basically, from a macro level, she is all carbs and no fat and protein. The carbs are from fruit and veg, which is the best carb she can get (not grains or SAD). This is a bit unscientific here (ie. don't have studies to support in front of me), but without any prot/fat, the body is basically going to eat itself. She is losing weight b/c body is having a feast on itself. No way to have an athlete live, or if you want to look like a fitness model. So, depends on your goals. If you are 80kg overweight and you want to lose weight, this might work for a while but will flatten in time

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on January 27, 2012
at 09:08 AM

The problem is that Taubes and Lustig tell us fructose makes us fat. Yet this gal eats loads of it and doesn't get fat. I think that's a great thing, since I'm not afraid of fruit anymore thanks to her.

Bf96d0a97418613fcbd6ec2ec9a50f0d

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on January 27, 2012
at 09:04 AM

Interesting thought about excessive sleep!

Bf96d0a97418613fcbd6ec2ec9a50f0d

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on January 27, 2012
at 09:03 AM

Is SAD Seasonal affective disorder or Standard American Diet?

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on January 27, 2012
at 08:14 AM

You gotta put everything in perspective : she probably did tons of cardio, like durianrider still does. They ride a bike for hours every day. Their vitamin D level must be great. You can't really eat too much calories if you eat fruit, can you?

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E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 27, 2012
at 02:30 PM

Everyone loses weight on that diet. I did it for 8 months, consistently eating 4k calories of mostly dates, my weight dropped all the way down to 140 during that time. I was sitting on my ass most of the day and would do some heavy lifting a couple times a week because I wanted to build, chronic cardio isn't required to get your self to an anorexic weight level on raw vegan :)

The main reasons why 801010(raw vegan) allows you to eat so many calories without gaining weight is because it is very inefficient to convert carbohydrates to fat and they eat zero added fat so there is no added fat to be stored in the presence of high insulin and glucose oxidation. Sucrose based sugars also have a slight metabolic advantage over other foods, all that fiber probably inhibits you from absorbing all the food as well.

I actually feel pretty bad for these 811ers, They all want to build so bad but they are so afraid of protein. My diets basically 801010 with a gallon of milk and I essentially build muscle sitting around all day, compare that to 811 where I was working out 3 times a week and never gained one pound...

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 27, 2012
at 03:20 PM

yeah I lost a lot of weight on raw vegan too. Eventually you will feel depleted, but it's a great diet for losing weight.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on January 27, 2012
at 03:54 PM

Definitely, I ended up suffering from a pretty bad vit A deficiency due to that diet.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 27, 2012
at 06:09 PM

A lot of people get raw on higher-fat raw vegan, but I don't know anyone who has gotten fat on mostly fruit, low fat.

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(39831)

on January 27, 2012
at 05:34 PM

Loon: What were you eating and how much weight did you gain?

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on January 27, 2012
at 06:18 PM

I had lots of deficiencies because of it too.

Medium avatar

(39831)

on January 27, 2012
at 05:54 PM

I should also say that the weight lifting makes a *massive* difference in how people partition energy. Without some sort of high intensity activity, mitochondrial atrophy will lead to a systemic energy substrate shift to glucose rather than fat.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on January 27, 2012
at 04:49 PM

I got fat on a mostly-raw vegan diet. Everyone is different.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

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on May 24, 2012
at 01:57 AM

ps - i definitely had a holy fear of fat and certainly looked anorexic, and many 811ers i believe actually are.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on May 24, 2012
at 01:56 AM

i ate mostly higher sugar fruits and was so bloated and water-logged. i lost muscle mass and i guess "weight", but my BF stayed the same. i actually DID eat almost 30 bananas a day, and it showed.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on May 25, 2012
at 12:54 PM

Eating that many bananas is bound to cause trouble, especially if they are convtional cavendish.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 04, 2012
at 03:45 PM

apples, grapes, and oranges are often done the same way. good to hear about your stomach! to each his own :)

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 04, 2012
at 11:55 AM

i think an overlooked side effect of raw vegan is how your stomach is stretched and your relationship with satiety is altered... that DOES effect us long term.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 04, 2012
at 11:39 AM

i don't think bananas are REALLY that much different than other foods... i feel that's a paleo "fear food." i did mostly bananas and also a time of no bananas. first i lost a ton of muscle, but eventually i started gaining weight. i got really thin, then eventaully chubby. but i also wasnt doing hardcore cycling the whole time.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:29 PM

Wait, if carbs are hard to turn into fat, then why is there such a high focus on low carb diets?! Shouldn't it be low fat, high carb? What's worse, being overweight eating tons of fat? Or being insulin resistant at a healthy weight on high carb??! I get so confused on these forums...

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(12857)

on June 04, 2012
at 01:54 PM

Bananas are often grown in giant orchards and are very stressed. Eating a ton of those bananas can be allergenic, if you have really ripe bananas from a good source they aren't bad. My satiety was never effected by raw vegan I think your stomach goes back to normal pretty fast.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on June 04, 2012
at 08:45 PM

Low carb works because its very hard for most people to overeat on fat/protein. High carb works too for the same reason but with less down side like lowered metabolism etc. Just check out any high carb forum like mcdougall or even 30bananasaday. High carb diets make you the most insulin sensitive, this is clear from the scientific literature. Low carb diets make it so you can't pass a glucose tolerance test.

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(560)

on June 06, 2012
at 10:55 AM

i agree! mzrdnan, i think low carb is more about appetite regulation for the average joe.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on June 06, 2012
at 12:26 PM

I am so confused. Can someone please clarify that basically highfat/lowcarb does the same thing highcarb/lowfat would do? I could easily be a fruitarian...I think I might be gassey ... but I'd enjoy it a hell of a lot! I fricken love fruit :'( are nuts raw?!

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on June 06, 2012
at 12:24 PM

Wait what?! So high carb is actually good for improving insulin resistance? I thought that's why people go low-carb to reset their insulin sensitivity...but high carb does that too?! Oh man...why did I give up FRUIT?!? :'(

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on June 08, 2012
at 07:52 AM

wow ok...everything I have learnt the past six months has just been thrown out the window...now I am more confused than ever :( I guess everything in moderation is the best solution?

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on June 07, 2012
at 09:02 AM

is it better to be insulin sensitive or insulin resistant?? why does everyone go low-carb to reset insulin levels then??

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on June 07, 2012
at 01:30 AM

Low carb makes you less insulin sensitive and can probably make your insulin resistant depending on how low carb you go. Fast digesting carbohydrates increase insulin sensitivity in normal people. I personally do a diet of mainly fruit and animal protein. Avoiding unripe fruit such as apples, pears and bananas can improve the gassey feelings. Strained fresh squeezed OJ usually causes no issues. I would avoid nuts as they are very high in PUFA and probably degraded from being stored so long, animals fat/protein are a much better option.

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(12857)

on June 08, 2012
at 03:57 AM

low carb allows you to by-pass glucose metabolism and run on free fatty acids(as in old age and disease), its a bandaid fix.

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(384)

on July 27, 2012
at 06:31 PM

Cliff is describing passing insulin resistance; low carb dieting causes the body to focus heavily on the fat metabolism and as such slows down the insulin metabolism. Our bodies adapt rather slowly, so it takes a few days to shift over to either system. A few days of high carb will cause regular insulin sensitivity to return. That being said, there is a HUGE difference between carbohyrdates from fruit and carbohydrates from refined sugar. There is also a larger difference between either when you eat to caloric excess.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

(384)

on July 27, 2012
at 06:33 PM

Cliff's claim that you can eat 4000 calories on high carb and lose weight is pretty much false unless he can provide documented proof in the form of calorie records and weight charts. More likely is that he lives a very active lifestyle. If your body was inefficient at managing the energy intake of calories via glucose you would die from toxic levels of glucose in the bloodstream. The glucose goes somewhere - it's used in the muscles or stored as fat. Same with FFA, same with any other macronutrient.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on January 27, 2012
at 12:09 PM

Energy balance is all that matters. It's a myth that high-carb diets cannot produce weight loss.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on January 27, 2012
at 06:37 PM

Yes I understand what you're saying Matt, I said the same in my answer. My point is very simply that is as unhelpful to people looking to achieve an energy balance to tell them that energy (for which they will hear calories) is all that matters as it is to tell someone trying to design a plane that the only thing that matters is that the plane generates more lift than it weighs. You wouldn't think yourself capable of aircraft design with that information, but people *do* think they can crack their diet with such little information. It's not helpful unless you can be bothered to qualify it.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on January 27, 2012
at 01:05 PM

You get the idea from some Taubes-ian paleo folks that carbs inhibit all weight loss, which is complete nonsense. Energy balance isn't overstated, it's like the theory of evolution or the theory of global warming. Widely accepted as how it all works. Current research support energy balance, not macronutrient hoodoo.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on January 27, 2012
at 12:28 PM

It's not a well=perpetuated myth in that case. Whereas the emphasis on energy balance is far more commonly overstated.

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on January 27, 2012
at 01:12 PM

Agree with Danny, energy balance is way less important IMO than working with your hormones to lower your set-point. High-carb diets like this one can't produce long-lasting, sustainable weight-loss. At some point this woman's health will go downhill and she'll gain most if not all of the weight back when she drops all the cardio and calorie restriction. I would hate to have her metabolism right now, it must be seriously damaged.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on January 27, 2012
at 02:09 PM

I saw an article about science literacy in parents that had the question "How do planes stay up?" The 'proper' answer was that the wings generate more lift than the weight of the aircraft. Yes it's correct(ish), but saying that that's all that matters doesn't help engineers in their design.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 27, 2012
at 04:48 PM

the plane stays up because the pilot flies it that way

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on January 27, 2012
at 02:57 PM

There's more than one way to skin a cat. And believe it or not, it is completely possible to be healthy on a non-paleo diet! *gasp! blasphemy!*

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on January 27, 2012
at 04:38 PM

Well yes, but saying that one of the ways is to *skin the cat* still isn't terribly helpful.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on January 27, 2012
at 06:29 PM

Danny, there's only one way to lose weight, and that's energy deficit. There are many ways however to achieve energy deficit.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 27, 2012
at 09:37 AM

PrimalDanny makes a great point here.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

(384)

on July 27, 2012
at 06:22 PM

Actually, Danny, that is all you need if you want to design something that gets off the ground.

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on January 27, 2012
at 08:57 AM

To start with, she switched from SAD to raw vegan which is bound to get you results with weight loss. As for maintaining that result, she does a great deal of 'chronic cardio' and I also imagine that the amount of water/fibre/fructose in her diet has her only absorbing about 1/4 of the calories she's taking in and she's shitting the rest out multiple times a day. She lives primarily on dates and bananas so yes, she is putting herself at risk of diabetes/insulin resistance. Fructose malabsorption syndrome is likely after 4 years on this diet. All in all, she's one of the 'lucky ones' when it comes to weight on this sort of diet. I don't know how long it will last. There are countless stories of others who gain on it, who are told they're not doing it properly' if they experience such weight gain. It's important to remember that a low weight does not equate to health and vitality, not by a long shot. For example, she and Durian Rider sleep 12-15 hours per day just to keep up this crazy regime. Tell me that's not the sort of excessive sleep reserved for new borns, pregnant women and those with chronic fatigue?

445c70b16529fe66880a3757c220354c

on January 27, 2012
at 09:35 AM

Standard American (Australian- same thing!) Diet.

Bf96d0a97418613fcbd6ec2ec9a50f0d

(131)

on January 27, 2012
at 09:04 AM

Interesting thought about excessive sleep!

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

15 hours a day? Last time I slept that long was when I drank 2 liters of beer daily, took strong antihistamines and ate loads of sugar & starch. I can not sleep more than 11 hours now...

Bf96d0a97418613fcbd6ec2ec9a50f0d

(131)

on January 27, 2012
at 09:03 AM

Is SAD Seasonal affective disorder or Standard American Diet?

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 27, 2012
at 04:47 PM

+1 great answer

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Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on January 27, 2012
at 03:00 PM

Surely you need the presence of free fatty-acids with glycerol to form triglycerides, and if the diet is very low in fats then this metabolic cycle is going perform differently for fat storage, even with elevated carbohydrates. Well this is my understanding and though quite possibly wrong (albeit oversimplified), but I assume you need elevated free fatty-acids and glycerol presence to do the deed, an imbalance of one of the other will adjust the propensity of triglyceride formation and storage, be that via low carb high fat, or low fat high carb? No?

One other thing I always worry about with stuff like this, is that if one day she decides that eating raw isn't the best idea, it is going to be a really hard for her to change with all the pressure of her website. I mean that in comparison to say Robb Wolf et al who tends to be quite verbal and open to softening on some issues (not gluten). But of course I am comparing not apples with oranges, but apples and beef steaks. I wonder if Durianrider and his fellow fruitiples don't even give themselves room to budge on some issues, and so lock themselves into ideology. I bit like a Veganehovah's Witness, or Paleoyper-Calvinist.

Also Robb has never dressed up like a watermelon or posted a bikini dance.

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(39831)

on January 27, 2012
at 05:34 PM

You're right; the vast majority (probably 95%+) of any given person's bodyfat started out as dietary fat. This is a fact too often overlooked 'round these parts.

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Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

on January 27, 2012
at 08:13 AM

A lot of exercise and not eating as much is how it's possible. Can't see much detail but she suggests she had disordered eating before and managed to stumble onto a diet that she could stick too. People do it every day. It doesn't mean it will last, it doesn't mean it will work for everybody, and it doesn't mean it's the healthiest option, but naturally that's what she sells it as because we're wired for complete self-confidence.

Fundamentally though, a raw vegan diet is a good deal closer to paleo than SAD. Presumably she's not eating grains or legumes either. How could she not lose weight just eating raw fruit and veg? Given enough time she'll probably disappear completely.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on January 27, 2012
at 09:08 AM

The problem is that Taubes and Lustig tell us fructose makes us fat. Yet this gal eats loads of it and doesn't get fat. I think that's a great thing, since I'm not afraid of fruit anymore thanks to her.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on January 27, 2012
at 11:41 AM

You shouldn't ever be *afraid* of fruit. And sure it's hard work to get fat eating nothing but fruit, but then it's hard work eating nothing but fruit.

9ffe43c6c5990ed710c7c49b12d6ee7f

on January 27, 2012
at 01:16 PM

@Bruno - Without dietary protein, the body does break down its own proteins (that is, muscle and tissue). She may look good now (so do many celebrities with eating disorders), but it's doubtful she's maintaining muscle mass with an raw vegetarian diet.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on January 27, 2012
at 12:16 PM

Frank, fruits and veggies aren't necessarily the best carbs. Also, she looks way too healthy, I can not believe her body is eating itself. It's not hard work eating nothing but fruit if you got the resources, the time, and a vitamix.

8f8ff21a67437febebc70afd19364e95

(153)

on January 27, 2012
at 09:23 AM

@Bruno - Basically, from a macro level, she is all carbs and no fat and protein. The carbs are from fruit and veg, which is the best carb she can get (not grains or SAD). This is a bit unscientific here (ie. don't have studies to support in front of me), but without any prot/fat, the body is basically going to eat itself. She is losing weight b/c body is having a feast on itself. No way to have an athlete live, or if you want to look like a fitness model. So, depends on your goals. If you are 80kg overweight and you want to lose weight, this might work for a while but will flatten in time

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 27, 2012
at 09:38 AM

If you eat craploads of fruit you do get protein though. And if she eats vegetables smoothies there's quite some protein in it too.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 04, 2012
at 11:42 AM

she is beautiful, but her body is very childlike (except for breast implants).

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 04, 2012
at 11:42 AM

i think the fact that we think she looks good (like the ideal) is a side effect of living is a messed up society.

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on January 27, 2012
at 05:41 PM

Look at the logs. "8km hilly jog and 20km bike ride today, yesterday was 40kms on the bike." "20KM easy jog", etc.

Eating 80/10/10 Raw Veg/Fruit.

Many days are 1000 calories TEA days.

This is the 'stranded on a deserted island with a bicycle and no animals' "diet".

The problem is that off the island, adherence to either the diet OR the workouts would be quite low.

Other than that, this is some great stuff, and she is so hot it makes me want to climb a Palm tree to retrieve a coconut for her, or something.

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(8574)

on January 27, 2012
at 06:30 PM

'stranded on a deserted island with a bicycle and no animals' LOL!

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:22 PM

Why? At 1,000 calories a day, I doubt she's fertile. Do Paleo guys actually believe in Darwin, or is it just lip service?

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(10611)

on August 15, 2013
at 12:14 PM

Something more like a date for the crazy girl. Coconuts not allowed.

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(6719)

on August 17, 2013
at 03:11 AM

wow, my test must have been really high the day I wrote that, any chick that is that hot but has no ass, well, really isnt that hot after all

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E95216c62a14d21c371fcbf2fed8469b

(1867)

on June 04, 2012
at 01:06 PM

And maybe some of us ladies don't WANT to be that thin. I've seen some of Freele's videos and such and I wasn't impressed. I'd prefer to look like one of the women in Apocolypto or look like I can handle cutting a field of sugar cane or digging a ginormous garden. My thighs and butt are big and that's genetics. It will never change. I'm not a big meat eater. I'll eat it when my body tells me to. I've tried different diets including raw vegan and low carb paleo. I like raw just not vegan because when my husband and his dad go hunting, nothing's more awesome that venison.

P.S. What's wrong with her before pics? A little chubby? She still looked pretty but you don't hear all the compliments when you're sick.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 04, 2012
at 03:48 PM

agreed. like i said before, she is gorgeous but has a very childlike body that i dont think speaks for most women

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B4a1d0c2eba89566ad216acc1ff6fda8

on June 04, 2012
at 09:20 AM

The only real way to lose weight is to track calories and create a calorie deficit.

When you eat less than your body needs to maintain its weight, you lose weight.

And obviously, don't cheat, exercise regularly, and try to pick the healthier options whenever you run across a menu.

Losing weight isn't necessarily easy or fun, and it takes a lot of effort and self control.

Even more self-control not to go "mission accomplished" and revert to your old eating habits the second you hit your goal, but whatever I lost 90lbs over a period of 18 months and kept it off for over four years.

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E57d8e182251b61ccc6ada197c359d7e

on January 27, 2012
at 02:09 PM

It's easy to lose weight with the SAD recs. The problem is keeping it off and the other risks associated with it. I lost 40lbs 3 times that way but always put it back on cause it was unsustainable. Due to low calories and more exercise then I care to do.

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31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 06, 2012
at 10:59 AM

apes and deer were designed to eat that way, though. i just said losing heart mass because i've seen that happen.

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on June 04, 2012
at 02:12 PM

Her diet is very low in PUFA, so she has that going for her. Also, if you "need fat" to live, and she is not consuming hardly any fat, he body will go to her reserve fat stores.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 04:03 PM

I don't even know if that's true. Starvation will do that, but she's eating a very high calorie diet. apes, deer, and all the other animals that eat a low fat diet do not suffer heart or brain damage because of it.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 04, 2012
at 03:52 PM

agreed, and that includes the heart and brain... eek.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on June 04, 2012
at 05:22 PM

Sugar can be converted to fat so her body can just as well get a hold of fat like that, and the advantage is that PUFA is not ingested that way.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on June 06, 2012
at 11:43 AM

Apes have hind gut fermentation that creates short chain saturated fats. For all the touted low-fat veganism of gorillas, they ultimately derive ~65% of their calories from fat, most of it saturated.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 06, 2012
at 11:00 AM

apes and deer were meant to eat that way though. i've seen the heart thing personally, but i am sure it's not in every case :)

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(14952)

on June 06, 2012
at 12:46 PM

Well, interesting. Humans make saturated fat from carbohydrate anything past which goes to replenish glycogen stores.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 27, 2012
at 07:09 PM

Well, it's definitely possibly. But is it sustainable? And are there any health risks involved? Those are the questions that should be asked. I'm a raw foodie and when I first made the switch I lost weight at a fast pace. Eventually I reached my normal optimal weight. Check out my raw review blog at rawfoodland.com!

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on August 15, 2013
at 10:30 AM

I've been doing it for three weeks (with one pre week raw food) and i am getting FAT. Really round, big gut and big thighs. I'm usually fit and healthy, thought id try this lifestyle so i could eat more volume and rev up my metabolism. I'm training vigorously (3 or 4 times a week) and I'm unsure where to go from here because I'm unhappy with the results thus far. I will say however, training is EASY! I have enough energy to smash any training i do (runs, spinning, weights) but yeah, still getting fat. I've enough energy to do all the things i need to everyday - no nap needed at 3pm!- and i quite like eating this way. It's really convenient and i don't crave any fatty foods when i eat enough. The recommended caloric intake is 2500 for women and i'm barely reaching 2000. I have more cellulite now than i ever did! I watch the YouTubes and they just say hang in there it will turn around. fingers crossed that happens soon!

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(10611)

on August 15, 2013
at 12:18 PM

You switched your diet based on a YouTube video?

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on August 15, 2013
at 01:17 PM

Youtube videos are the modern day Ladies' magazine articles.

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(0)

on October 08, 2013
at 04:14 AM

I am curious if you stuck with it? Did you continue to gain, if yes.

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on October 18, 2012
at 01:18 AM

I'd just like to say that I am also a high carb raw vegan, and it is the greatest lifestyle I've EVER been on it. Freelee (pictured above) has been doing this for 7+ years, and she has more muscle mass than most girls that I know. This is by far the healthiest way to live, and it makes you SO happy, and it really teaches you how to love yourself. I don't know any meat based diet that can produce the same life changing results. I started truly loving myself after becoming vegan, and I would never turn back <3

Love and happiness to you all!! <3

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(2934)

on October 18, 2012
at 02:58 AM

It's the healthiest way to live for you, no more.

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(10611)

on August 15, 2013
at 12:17 PM

It works a lot better if you wrap bacon around the dates. But vegan is never about what's optimal, ancestral or common sense.

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