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Expected weight loss failure

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created May 21, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Hello everyone,

My first ever question - please be gentle :)

My husband and I converted to Primal then Paleo about 3 months ago..

We cut out all wheat/grains/sugars and sweetners..

So we eat eggs, bacon, oily fish, lots of veggies and salad, beef, pork, chicken etc - the usual :)

We also work out - doing weights as well as some cardio (walking, some jogging, HIIT)

However despite this I have lost NO weight - not even 0.5kg..I am overweight - 5ft6" and 70kg..

Any tips of changing up my diet to help? Most people who quit breadand past drop a few pounds and we are flummoxed - my husband has lost a stone and is now at 9% body fat :(

Many many thanks!

Kim x

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

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on May 28, 2012
at 08:11 AM

Wow - what a great answer Bobm - this is more in line with the stuff we are trying to do by going Paleo and having a healthier lifestyle..I am currently reading the Blood Sugar Solution and have looked into Cortisol level, stress etc and this is probably the tact we will use - as my husband is very keen for me to start the day with a protein load! Zero sugar is fine as that is what our diet is trying to so - no sugars or sweeteners..all food made from scratch from natural ingredients..we even made our own ketchup yesterday! Thanks SO much Bobm :)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on May 27, 2012
at 05:19 PM

I know that eggs are full of nutrients, but they're the fat soluble ones so you don't need them everyday. Also, they can be highly allergenic, and personally I react poorly to them. Why are you bothered that I don't eat eggs everyday? Do what works for you. If eggs don't bother you, then go ahead and eat them, I could care less. I do still eat them sometimes cause I like the taste, but after eating them daily for a couple years straight, I've developed an allergy, I think

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on May 27, 2012
at 04:42 PM

Stay away from eggs, for serious? Yolks are natures multi-vitamin and really important if you aren't consuming organ meats regularly (like most people).

217233ef0af8dd0b0d6cdcab4f4b57a1

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on May 25, 2012
at 03:32 PM

I dont agree with this idea. The body works on a circadian clock and not eating in the morning when cortisol is up is a red flag for the body to hold onto food the rest of the day. This can also down regulate your metabolism making the ability to lose weight even worse.

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on May 23, 2012
at 08:02 AM

Maybe, maybe not. A BMI of 25 is at the top end of "normal" and we all know how inaccurate that can be. Obsessing about weight isn't very "Paleo", if you eat healthy and live healthy then the rest should take care of itself. (Speaking as someone that constantly obsesses about weight).

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on May 21, 2012
at 10:53 PM

I'm confused by that comment.

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

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on May 21, 2012
at 10:52 PM

Uh, not exactly borofergie. Sucking in your gut won't make your love handles disappear.

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

(3043)

on May 21, 2012
at 10:36 PM

*diet ......

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

(3043)

on May 21, 2012
at 10:35 PM

This makes me hungry just thinking about it. Get the hell away from a vegan die!

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 07:36 PM

I do go a long time without eating but I have heard you must eat protein within 30 minutes of waking - but I can easily go without eating until lunchtime without feeling hungry - but less turkey rashers I think! Thanks

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 07:34 PM

Many thanks VB :)..spoken to husband and we are going to start a food diary and try and increase ALL my veggies! I have stopped eating nuts now to be honest because of their calorie content. More fish - got it :)...I can happily skip fruit - never much of a fan - and will stop with the occasional piece of dark choccie! Thanks again! x

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

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on May 21, 2012
at 07:32 PM

I have apps..I also work 6 days a week..workout 4 times a week..help look after my mum with dementia..it may be easy & quick but lots of other things pull on my priorities :( - will look again - my husband takes photo of the food he eats! Thanks

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

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on May 21, 2012
at 07:29 PM

when I say Coconut Milk - not from a can = its Kara Milk - lower calories than the traditional canned stuff :) - but will aim to use in water post workout - thanks :) x

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on May 21, 2012
at 07:08 PM

coconut milk is extremely high calorie, FWIW. I'd cut that out for starters.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 21, 2012
at 06:59 PM

I agree, your diet should be essentially a gluten-free vegan one, with "supplemental" animal products.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 21, 2012
at 06:56 PM

Logging is not hard nowadays, there's a bajillion websites/apps out there.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on May 21, 2012
at 06:13 PM

If you're drinking a protein shake its fine to have it plain and in water pre workout or with some fruit pre or post workout. I personally don't put fat in mine around workouts because it inhibits vasodilatation, muscle pump, and glucose uptake.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on May 21, 2012
at 06:11 PM

....not an expert it's just what I do.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on May 21, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Go by measurements, how your clothes are fitting, and how you're looking in the mirror. Also, make sure you are maintaining a consistent caloric deficit. Eat fruit around your workouts to make them more intense. Reduce your consumption of eggs, bacon, butter, and oils and choose lean beef, bison, deer, chicken, and salmon for your main sources of protein. If your eating a chicken breast for a meal, add 1/4-1/3 of an avocado. Maintain that deficit and you'll get there eventually.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 21, 2012
at 05:58 PM

I agree that weight is not an end all measure of performance, but at 5'6 and 155, there's some weight to be lost.

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on May 21, 2012
at 05:31 PM

WOW! Thanks I needed that! Sorry borofergie, that would take a lot fo effort to suck it in and look like that, lol! The one on the right now shows musclw definition that can not bee seen on the left. AND her bust has shrunk. I don't know ANYONE who can suck that in ROFL!!!

B04787f664abf9bebc28f71bf7825a3c

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on May 21, 2012
at 03:51 PM

I lost 10 pounds in the first week of eating paleo or primally! Now I am at around 149 pounds and I started at 173 pounds. As others have mentioned, did you record your starting measurements? If you did, try to see what you are now. You might have turned some of that fat into muscles, without really losing any actual weight. Also, working out and doing cardio is going to meat you'll be automatically eating more calories, because you are burning more. Perhaps make sure you aren't over-eating? All my weight loss is without working out (yet), it's weight loss caused purely by diet change.

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:57 PM

Lol...I think you magically saw the pile of stew I consumed last night! Calories get everywhere - thanks for the tips! x

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:56 PM

My husband refuses to let me be a wet lettuce - I have to stay positive - its contagious from him :). Weirdly I have good legs - very little fat..I am ALL apple - I hate belly fat and am hoping the gluten/wheat free approach will help with that - thanks for your comment :) x

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:54 PM

And add some make up and a new hair do - of course ;) x

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:53 PM

That is very true! I love eggs :D x Thanks for the tip!

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:40 PM

Tape measure, and pay attention to how your body feels- some areas won't change in size, they will just get stronger (thighs esp. for some women). Ignore the BMI as your ultimate gauge of what you "should" weigh as it is wildly and laughably simplistic and inaccurate (not at all meant to be used on individuals). Patience and positive attitude won't hurt either :)

870fdea50f2a9f1cd2890c8e22549300

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:34 PM

If you hard boil a bunch of eggs you can grap them as a breakfast--even less time than a protein shake.

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:30 PM

Thanks Kelly..Agree! I think I need to sit down and work out my intake and %..we use coconut oil for all our cooking and we are trying to keep carbs to a minimum but always room to improve..protein is via meats such as chicken, beef, pork, oily fish, beef jerky made in the UK with no added extra's...no potatoes/rice - sometimes sweet potato but I may give that a miss from now..time to start making notes :0 - thank you x

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:29 PM

We can all do that! Same woman, same weight, massive effort to breathe in her gut.... ;)

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 02:12 PM

Wow - now I feel better - I do have better muscle definition - in fact my body is very similar to the picture on the left - If I can look like the right I will be happy..on my way to performing my first up chin up - nearly there :) x Many thanks!

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:10 PM

Hi Todd...I use them if I have little time for breakfast (I travel a lot for work - the protein powder is gluten free and contains no sugar or sweetener) - I occasionally use water instead of coconut milk to reduce calorie content - may do this from now on - thanks :) x

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on May 21, 2012
at 01:58 PM

Ditch the protein shakes. If your goal is to lose weight, liquid calories aren't doing you any favors.

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 01:56 PM

Lol...it is hard! I hate recording food which is why I always flunked at Weight Watchers and did well on Slimming World..green days and red days - easy peasy! But I think measuring is sadly the way forward for us! :) x

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 01:51 PM

Thanks Sage :) I have cut down of all fruits (dried and natural) just in case..even avoid fruit juices/squashes etc as all contain sugar..just lots of water, green tea, black coffee... I love sleep...never less than 8 hours for me :) Thanks xx

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

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on May 21, 2012
at 01:49 PM

yeah I have just come to the realisation as of late that after 11 weeks of unweighed and unmeasured paleo eating, this is definitely not the answer for me, so I have to dial it in and start weighing and measuring until I get a proper grasp on portions...sigh...hahaha

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 01:49 PM

Thanks mzrdnan - I think it is - despite eating far less that I used to - its slightly boggling - but I think a diary is the best way forward :) x

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

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on May 21, 2012
at 01:48 PM

picklepea I ended up putting on 10kg!! Don't worry, it happens to the best of us. I think at the end of the day the only way you can lose weight is through calorie deficit. As much as I hate it, this might be the only option :(

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 01:47 PM

My shape HAS changed but my scale state that my muscle mass hasn't really changed but we don't think these scales are very effective anyway..we bought a tape measure - guess its time to start using it! Thanks :) x

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 01:46 PM

Thanks :) I sleep like a log - 8 hours out like a light - never had any trouble with sleeping thankfully :) Also taking a high strength Vit D supplement I think it may be calories - I only drink a glass of wine at weekends now and we dont eat much chocolate - if we do its one piece of high cocoa only.. No cheese etc as we are not really eating dairy - only coconut milk in my protein shakes.. Many thanks again :) x

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 01:44 PM

I think logging may be the answer - for breakfast I tend to eat a couple of eggs with some turkey bacon, lunch is oily fish and salad or a stir fry of veggies and evening meal is general chicken with vegetables..I cut out a lot of the nuts I was eating due to their calorie content - the same with any high sugar fruit.. Food diary it is - thank you :)

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on May 21, 2012
at 01:30 PM

Well, Matt could be right. Women's bodies tend to hold on to fat moreso than men's. Evolutionarily, there's a pretty good reason for that, ie. reproduction requires extra fat. The Robb Wolf litany is check your sleep, stress (are you overtraining?) and vitamin D. Lack of good sleep and high cortisol levels are known to block fat loss. Check your calorie intake as well - some people have to be really strict here, which kinda sucks, but there you go. If you are having fruit/nuts/cheese/chocolate/alcohol - consider cutting those.

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B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

(11488)

on May 21, 2012
at 01:30 PM

Ignore the weight, what does the tape measure say?

Scales are unreliable indicators of fat loss, and it's probably just the case that you've increased your lean muscle mass, cancelling out the weight loss of any fat you've burned.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 21, 2012
at 05:58 PM

I agree that weight is not an end all measure of performance, but at 5'6 and 155, there's some weight to be lost.

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 01:47 PM

My shape HAS changed but my scale state that my muscle mass hasn't really changed but we don't think these scales are very effective anyway..we bought a tape measure - guess its time to start using it! Thanks :) x

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 02:56 PM

My husband refuses to let me be a wet lettuce - I have to stay positive - its contagious from him :). Weirdly I have good legs - very little fat..I am ALL apple - I hate belly fat and am hoping the gluten/wheat free approach will help with that - thanks for your comment :) x

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on May 21, 2012
at 02:40 PM

Tape measure, and pay attention to how your body feels- some areas won't change in size, they will just get stronger (thighs esp. for some women). Ignore the BMI as your ultimate gauge of what you "should" weigh as it is wildly and laughably simplistic and inaccurate (not at all meant to be used on individuals). Patience and positive attitude won't hurt either :)

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

(11488)

on May 23, 2012
at 08:02 AM

Maybe, maybe not. A BMI of 25 is at the top end of "normal" and we all know how inaccurate that can be. Obsessing about weight isn't very "Paleo", if you eat healthy and live healthy then the rest should take care of itself. (Speaking as someone that constantly obsesses about weight).

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5662d1262516ccbd70249e7aeaf58901

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:05 PM

Same woman, same weight, different body composition.

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Found on Everyday Paleo blog.

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

(5145)

on May 21, 2012
at 10:52 PM

Uh, not exactly borofergie. Sucking in your gut won't make your love handles disappear.

3b38bcc91dbfc6a114f4bdce544103d3

(409)

on May 21, 2012
at 05:31 PM

WOW! Thanks I needed that! Sorry borofergie, that would take a lot fo effort to suck it in and look like that, lol! The one on the right now shows musclw definition that can not bee seen on the left. AND her bust has shrunk. I don't know ANYONE who can suck that in ROFL!!!

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 02:12 PM

Wow - now I feel better - I do have better muscle definition - in fact my body is very similar to the picture on the left - If I can look like the right I will be happy..on my way to performing my first up chin up - nearly there :) x Many thanks!

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 02:54 PM

And add some make up and a new hair do - of course ;) x

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

(11488)

on May 21, 2012
at 02:29 PM

We can all do that! Same woman, same weight, massive effort to breathe in her gut.... ;)

5
61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on May 21, 2012
at 01:26 PM

Ditto what Matt said. You need a calorie deficit in order to lose weight. If you simply replaced the calories from breads and pasta with another food source, albeit Paleo, you have not created a deficit.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 21, 2012
at 01:12 PM

It's about calories and it sounds like you're eating too much. Look specifically at concentrated sources of energy - fatty meats, nuts, dairy, starchy vegetables... Are you overeating these?

Try measuring/logging your food for a couple weeks. Again, you're likely overeating (well, at least eating for maintenance) without knowing it.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 21, 2012
at 01:49 PM

yeah I have just come to the realisation as of late that after 11 weeks of unweighed and unmeasured paleo eating, this is definitely not the answer for me, so I have to dial it in and start weighing and measuring until I get a proper grasp on portions...sigh...hahaha

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 01:56 PM

Lol...it is hard! I hate recording food which is why I always flunked at Weight Watchers and did well on Slimming World..green days and red days - easy peasy! But I think measuring is sadly the way forward for us! :) x

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 21, 2012
at 06:56 PM

Logging is not hard nowadays, there's a bajillion websites/apps out there.

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 07:32 PM

I have apps..I also work 6 days a week..workout 4 times a week..help look after my mum with dementia..it may be easy & quick but lots of other things pull on my priorities :( - will look again - my husband takes photo of the food he eats! Thanks

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 01:44 PM

I think logging may be the answer - for breakfast I tend to eat a couple of eggs with some turkey bacon, lunch is oily fish and salad or a stir fry of veggies and evening meal is general chicken with vegetables..I cut out a lot of the nuts I was eating due to their calorie content - the same with any high sugar fruit.. Food diary it is - thank you :)

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F44b15b2fd1ad134200793d6b474fc4c

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:27 PM

I was strict paleo for five months ??? no dairy even ??? and couldn't lose any weight. Then I checked out my calorie intake and it was very high. I cut back on the amount of cocoanut products, and the portion sizes of my meat and, now I've lost nine pounds. At first, I missed being able to eat as much as I wanted, but now I've adjusted and I no longer want to eat a pound of meat for dinner!

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

(15)

on May 21, 2012
at 02:57 PM

Lol...I think you magically saw the pile of stew I consumed last night! Calories get everywhere - thanks for the tips! x

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on May 21, 2012
at 05:45 PM

If I were you, I would implement these four steps:

  1. Go very heavy on the following vegetables: kale, green leafy, cabbage, onions, mushrooms. I would also eat some carrot, beets, safe starches, red cabbage and red onions. Eat as many other vegetables in addition as you want, but the ones I have listed - that's a must.

  2. I would not go overboard with bacon and meat. Reduce the portions, but keep eating fish as much as you did.

  3. I would either skip nuts or go very lightly on them. I would only use EVOO for fat.

  4. Skip any Paleo desserts or anything sweet (even fruit) for now. If you feel strongly about it, have some berries, but not too many.

Your weight is bound to melt off your body!

Good luck!

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

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on May 21, 2012
at 07:34 PM

Many thanks VB :)..spoken to husband and we are going to start a food diary and try and increase ALL my veggies! I have stopped eating nuts now to be honest because of their calorie content. More fish - got it :)...I can happily skip fruit - never much of a fan - and will stop with the occasional piece of dark choccie! Thanks again! x

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on May 21, 2012
at 10:19 PM

If you area not hungry for breakfast. Don't eat breakfast. There is no hard and fast rule that says you must eat protein within 30 minutes of waking. Why put food into your body that your body is not asking for?

Listen to your body more. Feed it only when it asks for food. Once you learn to listen to your body you will eat more naturally.

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on May 25, 2012
at 03:32 PM

I dont agree with this idea. The body works on a circadian clock and not eating in the morning when cortisol is up is a red flag for the body to hold onto food the rest of the day. This can also down regulate your metabolism making the ability to lose weight even worse.

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on May 21, 2012
at 06:24 PM

I will just tell you mostly what I find works.

  1. go be measurements, how your clothes fit, and how you look in the mirror.
  2. maintain a consistent calorie deficit.
  3. stay away from eggs, bacon, and excess oils.
  4. eat protein but keep portions light (4-6oz) (mostly chicken, lean beef, salmon, whitefish)
  5. eat your vegetables
  6. eat fruit around workouts to give you energy and make them more intense
  7. good fats come from EVOO, avocado, macadamia nut oil, and some almonds (no more than 10 a day)
  8. starches like rice, sweet potatoes, and even potatoes are fine so long as you tolerate them well. you may not right now, but as you get leaner you will- you'll start craving them.

So, basically, follow a very clean vegan diet with small portions of meat/fish

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

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on May 21, 2012
at 10:35 PM

This makes me hungry just thinking about it. Get the hell away from a vegan die!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on May 21, 2012
at 10:53 PM

I'm confused by that comment.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 21, 2012
at 06:59 PM

I agree, your diet should be essentially a gluten-free vegan one, with "supplemental" animal products.

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

(3043)

on May 21, 2012
at 10:36 PM

*diet ......

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on May 27, 2012
at 04:42 PM

Stay away from eggs, for serious? Yolks are natures multi-vitamin and really important if you aren't consuming organ meats regularly (like most people).

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on May 27, 2012
at 05:19 PM

I know that eggs are full of nutrients, but they're the fat soluble ones so you don't need them everyday. Also, they can be highly allergenic, and personally I react poorly to them. Why are you bothered that I don't eat eggs everyday? Do what works for you. If eggs don't bother you, then go ahead and eat them, I could care less. I do still eat them sometimes cause I like the taste, but after eating them daily for a couple years straight, I've developed an allergy, I think

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on May 21, 2012
at 01:43 PM

i have been grain/legume/seed oil free for over a year and never saw the magic weight loss. i am 50y/o, small frame, 5'5" and 140lbs; i was 128lbs when i statrted with 5lbs of belly fat to loose.
never comprimise on your sleep. you might also keep fruit down to a serving a day and evaluate your iodine intake. i have just started consuming dulse on a daily basis to see if that makes a difference.

2ef97f0a56444b25f3b853fbd6131684

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on May 21, 2012
at 01:51 PM

Thanks Sage :) I have cut down of all fruits (dried and natural) just in case..even avoid fruit juices/squashes etc as all contain sugar..just lots of water, green tea, black coffee... I love sleep...never less than 8 hours for me :) Thanks xx

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on May 27, 2012
at 02:37 PM

Picklepea - many commenters here have talked about energy balance, calories in minus calories out. Law of physics and chemistry being what they are, you won't lose unless this balance goes negative, this is true. But attempting to manange this head on pretty much never works, a t least never in the long run. Calories in and and calories out are both so much more slave to the complexities of your endocrine system than to any direct, conscious behavioral manipulation you might try on your own, such as counting calories, food logs, workout plans, etc.

Instead, manipulate things which will change the endocrine system functioning, and that will in turn bring the energy balance naturally to negative. From your comments it sounds like youve got real problems mainly with insulin, leptin and cortisol, and other stuff is not working right either. Your system is probably not responding properly to signalling of all these.

Commit to a disciplined eight week plan, disciplined in the sense of what you eat and when, but don't obsess about how much.

First, on the cortisol, you are definitely chronically over-stressed. Working six day weeks and working out four days, with only eight hours of sleep (even if it seems like good sleep) is more than enough stress to keep your system in emergency store fat mode. Cut out all workouts for now. I know this sounds counter-intuitive, but you need to get your system back to a sate where it is willing and able to lose weight, and that means lower stress hormones and/or increased stress hormone sensitivity. This is how to do it.

Take plenty of long, easy walks, three or four miles each walk, three or four days a week, but no cardio or weights for a while. Turn off the computer, telly, and most electric lights as early as you can, and limit yourself to gentle social chatting or quiet contemplation after the dinner washing up is done, then get to bed early, and increase your eight hours sleep to at least nine. If this plan simply results in your waking earlier in the AM after eight hours, so be it, the stress benefits will still be there.

For food, First two weeks go stricly super low carb. Zero sugar (well, that's for life actually), zero fruit, zero grains, no starchy veg. Just protein and good fats, and plenty of low carb veg. No dairy either expect maybe butter and cream. Supplement well, esp Mg, D, and Omega 3 oil on days where you don't eat fish. The first few days of ketosis may bring some mild discomfort, but it will pass soon and you'll soon feel great. No need to focus on the quantities here, but you'll almost certainly quickly find your caloric intake drops naturally by the second week, with no hunger problems and no need to deliberately control portions. Drink plenty of water and don't bother with the scale. This will start improving your insulin sensitivity.

Follow this with six weeks of big, high protein breakfasts, at least 75 grams, more as soon as you get used to it. This mean plenty of eggs plus some meat/fish with enough good fats to make it palatable. You must eat this soon as you rise in the AM and must not skip a single day. Lunch will be optional, you won't be terribly hungry midday, but whatever, lunch and dinner stick to veg, a little meat/fish, good fats. A little bit more vegetable-type carbs anda little fruit can come back in now, but again, no grains or full starchy veg. And never sugar or grains. This will change the way you respond to leptin, which is the key to get the loss working and keep it working. Again, plenty of water, don't worry about the scale, you will be losing. Keep walking, no workouts.

After this you can drop the big protein breakfasts and GRADUALLY reintroduce a few more carbs, and one day a week of brief but intense weight training. One of your carb meals should be after this workout. Dairy can come back in now, but best to limit to cultured stuff, keefer or yogurt. Two or three days a week you can skip breakfast, but just have two or three Tbls of coconut oil or butter, and coffee or tea. This will keep you feeling energetic and not hungry, break your fast later, whenever you are hungry, which will probably be mid afternoon. Eat according to normal paleo guidelines, but a low carb-ish version, and try to keep the low stress plans and extra sleep at least halfway in place. If you gradually up the workout load, you can up the carbs commensurately, but best to do infrequent, intense weight training and plenty of long walks. Again, too much hard workout for you will bring stress hormone problems and will actually cause you to want to eat so much you start to gain again.

If you really follow this plan, you will lose all you want to, or most of it. (last five to ten pounds sometimes requires tougher measures for people who start with somedegree of metabolic confusion like I suspect you have.) If somehow this plan doesn't work, then you really have more profound metabolic issues, but this should work even if you have some problems; this will put most stuff right.

Good luck.

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on May 28, 2012
at 08:11 AM

Wow - what a great answer Bobm - this is more in line with the stuff we are trying to do by going Paleo and having a healthier lifestyle..I am currently reading the Blood Sugar Solution and have looked into Cortisol level, stress etc and this is probably the tact we will use - as my husband is very keen for me to start the day with a protein load! Zero sugar is fine as that is what our diet is trying to so - no sugars or sweeteners..all food made from scratch from natural ingredients..we even made our own ketchup yesterday! Thanks SO much Bobm :)

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:24 PM

Definitely you need to micro manage your calorie intake, you'd be surprized. But more importantly what is your %'s like of fat/protein/carbs?

I think if you are trying to loose weight you might have to start to scrutinize everything. If you are eating all the right things but not in the right amounts it may be working against you. At least you aren't gaining, and I'm sure with time and your work outs you'll see some leaning but it will be gradual.

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:30 PM

Thanks Kelly..Agree! I think I need to sit down and work out my intake and %..we use coconut oil for all our cooking and we are trying to keep carbs to a minimum but always room to improve..protein is via meats such as chicken, beef, pork, oily fish, beef jerky made in the UK with no added extra's...no potatoes/rice - sometimes sweet potato but I may give that a miss from now..time to start making notes :0 - thank you x

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on May 24, 2012
at 03:41 AM

Something you might want to consider is that you might be sensitive to something you are eating. I found out last year that I had become sensitive to onions. Who would have thought?! I always weigh every morning and noticed that anytime I would eat a fair amount of onions (I LOVE roasted onions), I would be up almost a pound the next morning.

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on May 21, 2012
at 06:21 PM

Hi! I am in the same boat. I just had a baby 7 weeks ago, and I need to lose some extra weight....anyways, maybe you should cut out the bacon, or treat it as a treat, 'candy' so to speak...lol....I also think our modern bodies forgot how to recognize real hunger, and I think it is key to train our bodies to recognize real hunger again...yesterday, for example, i had a lot of amazing duck, and this morning i only was a little hungry, so i only had to eggs and a cup of coffee....good luck! :)

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on May 21, 2012
at 07:36 PM

I do go a long time without eating but I have heard you must eat protein within 30 minutes of waking - but I can easily go without eating until lunchtime without feeling hungry - but less turkey rashers I think! Thanks

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