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Cutting Nuts and Dairy for weight loss

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Created May 16, 2010 at 8:32 PM

Okay reading through this site and some others it seems that in order to achieve the best results on the Paleo diet in terms of fat loss is to avoid dairy and nuts, a long with the obvious VLC high fat diet aspects. Can someone explain why the nuts specifically hinder fat-metabolism? Is it related to their o3-o6's composition?

Also in terms of dairy, firstly I don't care about it not being actually Paleo, I am doing this diet for what it adds to my life not what it takes away.

However, if cutting it will assist trimming down ( I am 180 and looking to reach about 170 with the same muscles mass ( I do Muay Thai I have a very good Idea of the body composition I want) then I will cut it at least for a time. However, I have read in numerous places that people use heavy cream in order to keep their fat intake up and I do find consuming a lot of coconut milk difficult at times (1 can a day) and would like to find another easy source of fat.

PS Do a lot of others find themselves eating a fair amount of sausage to try and keep their fat intake up? Any negatives to this? Thanks

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on December 06, 2011
at 05:19 AM

Saturated fat actually isn't unhealthy for the cardiovascular system. That is a myth put forth by Ancel Keys, who disregarded data when building his Lipid Hypothesis in the 60's. It's never been proven that saturated fat is linked to cardiovascular ill health. You need fat for the health of your brain (which is made of fat) and all your cells.

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on December 06, 2011
at 12:12 AM

I thought that unnecessary carbohydrates ended up getting stored as fat, not fat itself.

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on December 05, 2011
at 11:34 PM

It won't damage your metabolism (although if it's enitrely from nuts you may have other problems with your balance of fats) bu you will still get fat. Fat storage itself isn't a derangement of normal function, if you eat lots of paleo food then you'll store the excess as fat. It only matters if you're trying to keep your weight down.

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on December 05, 2011
at 11:30 PM

someone is trolling...

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on December 05, 2011
at 11:24 PM

I speak only for myself, but I think there's a reason bears gorge on fatty fish, nuts and berries in the fall. If you're trying to lose any one of those may be great on a given day but I don't think you need all 3. I eat fatty meat/fish every day, but if I eat full-fat yogurt I don't eat nuts. If I eat nuts, I don't eat fruit, etc. So far this has worked as I have lost significant weight without counting calories.

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on July 24, 2011
at 05:00 PM

Are you being sarcastic Rae? Because every single one of your comments on this post is essentially at direct odds with what people who follow the Paleo lifestyle- regardless of dairy camp- believe. I suggest you do some research before blindly regurgitating SAD fallacies.

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on May 22, 2011
at 11:25 PM

Grassfed beef has a very different fat composition than conventional grain fed, antibiotic and growth hormone laden beef...grass finished beef is actually a wonderful and healthy food for developing girls.

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on April 24, 2011
at 04:12 AM

I wouldn't call it "unhealthy", unhealthy compared to what? CAFO Pig is definitely the most inlfammatory type meat one could probably eat. Pastured raised pork that is humanely treated, fed a non-grain/legume diet, I do not blink an eye at as part of a weekly diet filled with other grass fed meat and sea food.

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on April 21, 2011
at 06:27 PM

listen to the nutritional radio talk show on the weekend....cow and its by products are not healthy.It is loaded with hormones...beef is unhealthy for young girls because it brings on their menses too early....

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on April 21, 2011
at 06:24 PM

animal fat is saturated fat which is a 'no no'...aim toward polyunsaturated and monosaturated fats.....the saturated fats will clog up your arteries.

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on April 21, 2011
at 06:22 PM

Isnt pig, no matter how it was raised, is a source of the saturated fat that is unhealthy for the cardiovascular system....i understand avocado is a healthy choice in the fat consumption category....my doctor told me not to eat nuts because of the fat content.

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1340fe0b7e7b01683ea33042092e05d6

on May 16, 2010
at 09:56 PM

Okay reading through this site and some others it seems that in order to achieve the best results on the Paleo diet in terms of fat loss is to avoid dairy and nuts, a long with the obvious VLC high fat diet aspects. Can someone explain why the nuts specifically hinder fat-metabolism? Is it related to their o3-o6's composition?

It is not their O3-O6 composition that hinders fat metabolism per se. Its that its REALLY easy to over do nuts since they are so nutrient dense. I think most of us agree we could go through a container of mixed nuts in a sitting and still have room for more. There are nuts that have better mono-saturated:poly-saturated ratios I believe, M academia being one of them. I think Mark Sisson advocates Walnuts and Almonds as well.

Dairy is HOT topic in the Paleo field right now, probably one of the hottest. There are two schools of thought that butt heads on this. I lean more towards Dr. Harris on this subject, and feel that full fat heavy whipping cream, especially when grass-fed, is good to go and not necessarily the same as dairy that everyone demonizes. I've been Paleo/Primal for 7 months and just weighed in 40lbs lighter as of yesterday, and this has been having heavy cream almost 4-5times a week in morning coffee. The argument that may come in is could I have been maybe 50-55lbs lighter w/out the dairy? I'll never know, its definitely apart of of my 90/10 rule. I also dont classify grass-fed butter as the demonized dairy either, as its heavy cream in solid form in essence.

I do feel that rotating things in and out does help, I about to do a 30day "cleanse" of caffeine and dairy to see how I feel, and go from there. If the results show something significant, I may think more about giving it up for good, but if it, I'll enjoy it without guilt.

However, if cutting it will assist trimming down ( I am 180 and looking to reach about 170 with the same muscles mass ( I do Muay Thai I have a very good Idea of the body composition I want) them I will cut it at least for a time. However, I have read in numerous places that people use heavy cream in order to keep their fat intake up and I do find consuming a lot of coconut milk difficult at times (1 can a day) and would like to find another easy source of fat.

Honestly, if you are looking to lose 10lbs only, as long as you stay strict in the other areas of eating Paleo, heavy whipping cream shouldn't be a concern. Now if you drank a bunch of milk or ate a bunch of sugar chalked yogurt, I'd tell you to give those up. In essence, the cream you are drinking should have all the insulogenic proteins stripped from it, and just be saturated/mono-saturated fat. Cream can kind of be like nuts in a way though, easier to over do, so try to stick to a standardized serving and keep with it.

PS Do a lot of others find themselves eating a fair amount of sausage to try and keep their fat intake up? Any negatives to this? Thanks

Sausage/Pig in general is not so contended around here, but it is hard to find "healthy" pig products. And by that I mean pigs that are finished on proper diets (not grain based...)If you can find any pig products that have no EXTRA nitrate/nitrites that would be ideal.

Ef4547c4966188ca5f7c6681320a2f25

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on April 21, 2011
at 06:22 PM

Isnt pig, no matter how it was raised, is a source of the saturated fat that is unhealthy for the cardiovascular system....i understand avocado is a healthy choice in the fat consumption category....my doctor told me not to eat nuts because of the fat content.

1340fe0b7e7b01683ea33042092e05d6

(1693)

on April 24, 2011
at 04:12 AM

I wouldn't call it "unhealthy", unhealthy compared to what? CAFO Pig is definitely the most inlfammatory type meat one could probably eat. Pastured raised pork that is humanely treated, fed a non-grain/legume diet, I do not blink an eye at as part of a weekly diet filled with other grass fed meat and sea food.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on December 06, 2011
at 05:19 AM

Saturated fat actually isn't unhealthy for the cardiovascular system. That is a myth put forth by Ancel Keys, who disregarded data when building his Lipid Hypothesis in the 60's. It's never been proven that saturated fat is linked to cardiovascular ill health. You need fat for the health of your brain (which is made of fat) and all your cells.

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on May 16, 2010
at 09:30 PM

I used to think that I needed to be VLC to lose weight, but recently I've been losing fat with 50-100 gr of carb per day. (The carb curve on Mark's Daily Apple inspired me to try this level). I eat nuts a few times per week, and I still eat dairy in the form of heavy cream, sour cream, and occassional cheese. I get my carbs from starchy veg (potatoes, sweet potatoes, pumpkin, etc.), plus green veg, dark chocolate and a bit of fruit (cherries or berries). I eat lots of animal and coconut fat -- I don't limit myself here. I think for me, the biggest positive change for fat loss has been eliminating bad fats (veg and seed oils) and loading up on animal fat. FYI, I'm not an athlete. Experiment on yourself and report back!

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on April 21, 2011
at 06:24 PM

animal fat is saturated fat which is a 'no no'...aim toward polyunsaturated and monosaturated fats.....the saturated fats will clog up your arteries.

Eead82aa93bbcdada0bcd817d0952e58

(214)

on July 24, 2011
at 05:00 PM

Are you being sarcastic Rae? Because every single one of your comments on this post is essentially at direct odds with what people who follow the Paleo lifestyle- regardless of dairy camp- believe. I suggest you do some research before blindly regurgitating SAD fallacies.

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on December 05, 2011
at 11:30 PM

someone is trolling...

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on December 05, 2011
at 11:15 PM

Why is it a problem to over do nuts?

Is it because calories start to matter if you start to eat crazy amounts (3000, 4000, etc. calories/day)?

And why does calories suddenly start to matter (if that's the case)?

Thanks.

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on December 05, 2011
at 11:24 PM

I speak only for myself, but I think there's a reason bears gorge on fatty fish, nuts and berries in the fall. If you're trying to lose any one of those may be great on a given day but I don't think you need all 3. I eat fatty meat/fish every day, but if I eat full-fat yogurt I don't eat nuts. If I eat nuts, I don't eat fruit, etc. So far this has worked as I have lost significant weight without counting calories.

Dfada6fe4982ab3b7557172f20632da8

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on December 05, 2011
at 11:34 PM

It won't damage your metabolism (although if it's enitrely from nuts you may have other problems with your balance of fats) bu you will still get fat. Fat storage itself isn't a derangement of normal function, if you eat lots of paleo food then you'll store the excess as fat. It only matters if you're trying to keep your weight down.

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on December 06, 2011
at 12:12 AM

I thought that unnecessary carbohydrates ended up getting stored as fat, not fat itself.

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on May 17, 2010
at 12:53 AM

Marrow bones and fatback, imo. Loads of fat, a bit of protein and "stem cells," whatever that's worth. I stopped doing well on dairy (heavy cream and butter) after a few months and switched to beef/bison marrow and fatback as my primary sources of fat. I prefer the taste to dairy anyway, or I did after a week or so.

There are a lot of opinions out there about dairy fat, but it comes down to personal experience. Some people don't notice a difference between the two; for me, I lost the 4 pounds I put on after a few weeks of dairy replacing it with the same calories worth of marrow and fatback.

I would still emphasise pastured products, though. Thankfully, that's considerably easier with marrow and fatback, price wise. There are a lot of butchers/farms who throw in free bones and extra fat they have if you're a regular.

Ef4547c4966188ca5f7c6681320a2f25

(0)

on April 21, 2011
at 06:27 PM

listen to the nutritional radio talk show on the weekend....cow and its by products are not healthy.It is loaded with hormones...beef is unhealthy for young girls because it brings on their menses too early....

Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on May 22, 2011
at 11:25 PM

Grassfed beef has a very different fat composition than conventional grain fed, antibiotic and growth hormone laden beef...grass finished beef is actually a wonderful and healthy food for developing girls.

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on May 16, 2010
at 08:46 PM

Not really adressing your specific questions here but; making kefir with coconut milk has been a good way for me to get in more fat in a palatable and easily digested way. (I make a big batch and fill up a couple of smaller glass jars, which I in turn flavoud with some vanilla, cocoa, cinnamon, berries etc. just for taste.) I also drink coffee wich makes for a great iced drink in the summer!

I eat sausage whenever I can get my hands on some quality produce. Pork based sausage might not be recomendable as a staple if you are really keeping check on your O6 intake, otherwise; given that it is quality stuff, I would not sweat it to much if you find yourself enjoying them.

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