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Calories in Calories out & losing weight

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 05, 2013 at 12:17 AM

I get what Gary Taubes is saying about calories in & Out and most of the rest.

So in Gary's Model, how does one actually lose fat? Would one have to do a temporary lower calorie diet and then eat normal to maintain metabolism??

76e82f76e7e3ed9747c980b50fc51b25

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on September 02, 2013
at 09:15 PM

This Comment did not come close to answering my comment. I don't want to lose weight.

B5141236ad924674a96803ee1ccccaf1

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on August 01, 2013
at 03:09 PM

yeh around 2500 of that was straight nuts. I am sure that made for some diabolical BMs. Still it is interesting that he lose waist inches, while gaining. but I said anecdotal account for that reason

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 31, 2013
at 05:26 PM

You could claim this invalidates CICO, but when you account for more variables (e.g. digestibility), it does validate it.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 31, 2013
at 05:25 PM

He also likely underestimates his burn by a few hundred calories, making his daily overage only around 850 calories. 21 days x 850 calories / 3500 calories per pound = 5.1 pounds weight gain. He put on around 4 pounds (he loses some weight towards the end though), which isn't so far off of the prediction.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 31, 2013
at 05:22 PM

@Sean, that N=1 experiment was previously discussed on PH. The points I made when it was discussed: 1) he's eating huge amounts of nuts to achieve calorie excess, but it's fairly well known that nuts have very different bioavailability of nutrients/calories than other foods. Upwards of 1/3 goes undigested. So the 3000 calories of nuts is probably overstated by 1000 calories. Thus is 5300 calorie diet is closer to 4300 calories.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 31, 2013
at 03:39 PM

Counting calories is easy too. Seriously, use any of dozens of websites/apps to log your food intake. Use a kitchen scale and accurate measures.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 31, 2013
at 03:38 PM

Contrary to what many folks say, estimated calorie expenditure is not hard to figure out. Most folks are within 5-10% of their calculated BMR/TDEE. What your body does with those calories is pretty universal across all people as well, do not point to exceptions and try to generalize to the population as a whole.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 31, 2013
at 03:36 PM

Let's start with your last request, how do wild animals maintain weight? Simple, they don't. They go through cycles between fat and lean based on food availability.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 31, 2013
at 01:48 PM

What if you miscount? Tell me how I can actually know exactly how many calories I am burning? Then tell me how I am to know exactly how many calories I am consuming? Then tell me what my body does with those calories. Now tell me how animals in the wild do that to maintain weight.

B5141236ad924674a96803ee1ccccaf1

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on July 31, 2013
at 04:41 AM

anecdotal account that goes very harshly against the calin/calout argument For more Paleo Diet hacks http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/sam-feltham/my-21-day-5000-calorie-challenge_b_3303439.html

B5141236ad924674a96803ee1ccccaf1

(485)

on July 31, 2013
at 04:40 AM

anadotal account that goes very harshly against the calin/calout arguement For more Paleo Diet hacks: http://paleohacks.com/questions/198580/calories-in-calories-out-losing-weight#ixzz2aawPzEWl Follow us: @PaleoHacks on Twitter | PaleoHacks on Facebook This definitely refutes the calin/calout argument. as do many anecdotal whole 30 results. anecdotal yes, but there are quite a few of them

B5141236ad924674a96803ee1ccccaf1

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on July 31, 2013
at 04:38 AM

anadotal account that goes very harshly against the calin/calout arguement

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on July 17, 2013
at 08:37 PM

Well matt consider that koolaid is the first thing paleo hackers put down...

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on July 17, 2013
at 08:34 PM

Atkins originally wanted to publish GT's book. It took GT a lot more verbiage to make the same point as Dr. Atkins Diet Revolution. Ketosis dieting is easier for many people for weight loss compared to cico counting.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 17, 2013
at 07:14 PM

Put down the koolaid, folks!

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on July 17, 2013
at 11:27 AM

The Atkins approach has worked well for me! Considering, when I do add the carbs in, they are from paleo sources, not breads or those frozen Atkins meals

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 17, 2013
at 03:48 AM

Atkins diet has a ton of problems, but I suppose it is slightly better than Standard American Diet.

76e82f76e7e3ed9747c980b50fc51b25

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on June 05, 2013
at 02:19 AM

Yes, Just finihsed good cal/bad cal, started "Why we get fat"

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on June 05, 2013
at 01:22 AM

did you read his book?

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C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 17, 2013
at 03:47 AM

What you eat affects how your body processes it, and the hormonal response to food. Eat good healthy whole natural foods, and your body will begin to get back into balance hormonally. It has been proven that animals in the wild do not change much at all in body composition whether they are in periods of famine, or periods of surplus. They just reproduce less in famine, and more in surplus. Humans have the same fat regulatory hormones, but eating chemical filled processed foods, and unhealthy grains and processed fats messes up our natural hormonal weight balance.

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on July 03, 2013
at 02:43 AM

Follow Atkins and you'll be close enough.

Bfd70bb38267fcc2d762063d691fa226

(723)

on July 17, 2013
at 11:27 AM

The Atkins approach has worked well for me! Considering, when I do add the carbs in, they are from paleo sources, not breads or those frozen Atkins meals

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 17, 2013
at 03:48 AM

Atkins diet has a ton of problems, but I suppose it is slightly better than Standard American Diet.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on July 17, 2013
at 08:34 PM

Atkins originally wanted to publish GT's book. It took GT a lot more verbiage to make the same point as Dr. Atkins Diet Revolution. Ketosis dieting is easier for many people for weight loss compared to cico counting.

76e82f76e7e3ed9747c980b50fc51b25

(229)

on September 02, 2013
at 09:15 PM

This Comment did not come close to answering my comment. I don't want to lose weight.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on July 03, 2013
at 03:02 AM

It's just calories in versus calories out. Count your calories... lose weight.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on July 17, 2013
at 08:37 PM

Well matt consider that koolaid is the first thing paleo hackers put down...

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on July 17, 2013
at 07:14 PM

Put down the koolaid, folks!

B5141236ad924674a96803ee1ccccaf1

(485)

on July 31, 2013
at 04:41 AM

anecdotal account that goes very harshly against the calin/calout argument For more Paleo Diet hacks http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/sam-feltham/my-21-day-5000-calorie-challenge_b_3303439.html

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on July 31, 2013
at 03:39 PM

Counting calories is easy too. Seriously, use any of dozens of websites/apps to log your food intake. Use a kitchen scale and accurate measures.

B5141236ad924674a96803ee1ccccaf1

(485)

on July 31, 2013
at 04:38 AM

anadotal account that goes very harshly against the calin/calout arguement

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on July 31, 2013
at 05:22 PM

@Sean, that N=1 experiment was previously discussed on PH. The points I made when it was discussed: 1) he's eating huge amounts of nuts to achieve calorie excess, but it's fairly well known that nuts have very different bioavailability of nutrients/calories than other foods. Upwards of 1/3 goes undigested. So the 3000 calories of nuts is probably overstated by 1000 calories. Thus is 5300 calorie diet is closer to 4300 calories.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on July 31, 2013
at 03:38 PM

Contrary to what many folks say, estimated calorie expenditure is not hard to figure out. Most folks are within 5-10% of their calculated BMR/TDEE. What your body does with those calories is pretty universal across all people as well, do not point to exceptions and try to generalize to the population as a whole.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 31, 2013
at 01:48 PM

What if you miscount? Tell me how I can actually know exactly how many calories I am burning? Then tell me how I am to know exactly how many calories I am consuming? Then tell me what my body does with those calories. Now tell me how animals in the wild do that to maintain weight.

B5141236ad924674a96803ee1ccccaf1

(485)

on August 01, 2013
at 03:09 PM

yeh around 2500 of that was straight nuts. I am sure that made for some diabolical BMs. Still it is interesting that he lose waist inches, while gaining. but I said anecdotal account for that reason

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on July 31, 2013
at 05:26 PM

You could claim this invalidates CICO, but when you account for more variables (e.g. digestibility), it does validate it.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on July 31, 2013
at 05:25 PM

He also likely underestimates his burn by a few hundred calories, making his daily overage only around 850 calories. 21 days x 850 calories / 3500 calories per pound = 5.1 pounds weight gain. He put on around 4 pounds (he loses some weight towards the end though), which isn't so far off of the prediction.

B5141236ad924674a96803ee1ccccaf1

(485)

on July 31, 2013
at 04:40 AM

anadotal account that goes very harshly against the calin/calout arguement For more Paleo Diet hacks: http://paleohacks.com/questions/198580/calories-in-calories-out-losing-weight#ixzz2aawPzEWl Follow us: @PaleoHacks on Twitter | PaleoHacks on Facebook This definitely refutes the calin/calout argument. as do many anecdotal whole 30 results. anecdotal yes, but there are quite a few of them

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on July 31, 2013
at 03:36 PM

Let's start with your last request, how do wild animals maintain weight? Simple, they don't. They go through cycles between fat and lean based on food availability.

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