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Are Fruits Bad?

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Created April 22, 2013 at 5:59 AM

I'm very new to the paleo diet. I'm three days in, actually. I read somewhere that if you're trying to lose weight (as I am) you should limit your amount of fruit. I'm pretty strict otherwise but I just find fruit is such a handy snack - just grab an apple and go, bananas are so portable, too. I buy all organic everything. I exercise daily with a swiss exercise ball, floor mat, and jump rope, and swim every weekend at the YMCA vigorously. I can see in the last three days I've already started to lose inches (I don't have a scale so I'm not sure what my weight is) but in the last few days, I've been severely limited my fruit and nut intake and focusing mainly on meat and vegetables. What do you guys think? I'm trying to lose 20 lbs and go back to being able to fit into the clothes I wore before I gained weight last year with an illness that had me bedridden (first time in my life I've ever been overweight) I'm also sipping apple cider vinegar diluted with water throughout the day and drinking lots of straight water.

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on May 02, 2013
at 03:17 PM

Ya I half way agree...in the morning I just have my pre workout drink or maybe some BCAAs then my protein/carbs AFTER workout. If I go for a swim/run after work, I usually eat a banana before. No need for glycogen repletion if you aren't going hard

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on April 29, 2013
at 06:48 PM

The Hunza people who live to be over 100 yo, eat lots of fruits, especially apricots. They're not fat or unhealthy.

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on April 24, 2013
at 01:51 AM

Also with doing targeted exercises every day and eating lean, organic, and local otherwise with no cheats... I swear I've already lost inches off my waist. I swim vigourously, have swiss/pilates exercise balls, ab roller, jump rope... lots of interval training. Lots of water. Feeling good so far... was thinking fruit restriction might go too far but I do agree many weren't around for our ancestors. I'm Native American and British heritage... so not a whole lot of fruit in my own direct lineage! But I agree, limited sugars is probably best.

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on April 24, 2013
at 01:48 AM

Okay this seems pretty rational. I've also read all the other answers but decided to just respond to all here. So far, I'm four days into paleo. I had been exercising before paleo and still continue to daily. I've been eating the occasional blueberry (like maybe five a day when I'm feeling peckish), the occasional banana, and the occasional apple, basically one every other day. The last time I did a big dietary change it was to go gluten free and I lost weight then immediately without exercising. This is gluten free AND organic, mostly veggies and meat. Feeling optimistic! Thanks for answers!!

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on April 22, 2013
at 06:22 PM

And here we have excellent evidence of the great variety of opinion and experience on Paleohacks. I do appreciate the downvote, though -- I don't get those very often, it's refreshing. Just a reminder that the PH board is all about two things, fundamentally: the paleo part (much of which is grounded in the sciences of nutrition anthropology and other disciplines) and the hack part (which is people sharing their own personal evidence, experience and results). And some people like to call bullshit on both.

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on April 22, 2013
at 05:54 PM

^^you've been served

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on April 22, 2013
at 05:18 PM

hey, first off, blueberries have higher amounts of sugar than most berries. but i take issue with the idea that a small amount of blueberries stalled your fat loss. that's just completely impossible. if you make it a point to eat no carbs, yeah, maybe you packed in a tiny bit of water with the tiny amound of blueberries; but there's no way in hell that the caloric load of the blueberries (don't get me started on the insulin BS) is preventing your fat loss.

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on April 22, 2013
at 06:10 AM

Thanks so much for your answer! I ate a banana on the weekend and then went swimming for two hours and felt that I more than recouped my loss but wasn't sure. I think your idea is smart.

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on April 22, 2013
at 06:06 AM

In a normal context fruits are not bad, they are loaded with vitamins and nutrients, water and a tolerable level of fructose. One or two servings a day shouldn't be of any concern. Problem comes when you eat a lot plus eat processed food with HFCS or other refined sugars and soft drinks... then your fructose intake is way off from the levels that we are supposed to eat and then problems may start to appear.

I'd only suggest that you have your fruit isolated from the fats and always pre-exercise, this way you're most likely to use them for fuel and avoid byproducts of the fructose conversion to fatty acids in the liver, which could raise blood tryglicerides, you don't want this.

Just focus on eating paleo with some fruit and not overall overeating too much and you should start seeing the loss you're after if everything is in check.

D30b9ab240a461a1cac392fa35e9b7f0

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on April 22, 2013
at 06:10 AM

Thanks so much for your answer! I ate a banana on the weekend and then went swimming for two hours and felt that I more than recouped my loss but wasn't sure. I think your idea is smart.

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on April 22, 2013
at 06:41 PM

Hmm, I actually think carbs are best after exercise, in order to replete any glycogen used during the workout.

This is the sort of thing you have to test out on yourself. I think most of us who have problems with it start noticing it is the first thing that dissappears after the grocery run, so the idea of rationing out a week's worth of fruit already seems laughable to us.

86c97b2779feab3c330f5e1c5fea7e25

(2312)

on May 02, 2013
at 03:17 PM

Ya I half way agree...in the morning I just have my pre workout drink or maybe some BCAAs then my protein/carbs AFTER workout. If I go for a swim/run after work, I usually eat a banana before. No need for glycogen repletion if you aren't going hard

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on May 02, 2013
at 12:06 PM

Just don't let fruit push veggies off your plate!

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on May 02, 2013
at 10:54 AM

Foods like fruits and vegetables should be major part of your diet, as they are the best sources for proteins. Between meals snacking is a good habit. Fruits considered as the good snacking food. Fruits are more helpful in losing weight.

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on April 29, 2013
at 03:11 PM

I use a banana for my post workout smoothie, and also like to have berries as dessert.

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on April 24, 2013
at 08:27 AM

Fruits were found in season and probably fairly rarely for our ancestors. I can eat more fruit than most people.I can see the pattern - others have one banana and for me if there are 6 in the house I while at all 6 at one sitting. I am even worse with nuts and raisins.

I think if people can eat one or two pieces of fruit a day that will do them a lot of good. My sons eat loads of fruit and their sister showed them a chart showing grapes bad and I counteracted that. They are fit strong young men who exercise every day. I am delighted they are eating an absolutely huge amount of grapes after dinner rather than chocolate and fizzy drinks.

However for me with weight to lose who if I give up chocolate replace it with large amounts of fruit with lots of calories I need to be very careful. I am only just overweight but certainly 20 pounds more than I usually am and I am not shifting any of it. If I move off fruit or nuts and raisins I seem to move on to 3 x the quantity of belly pork most people eat.

I know exactly how to lose weight but cannot practise it at the moment.

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on April 22, 2013
at 06:56 PM

I'll keep it simple for you. No fruit isn't bad as long as you eat real fruit & not fruit flavored processed foods/juices. Low carb or not You're not gonna get fat unless your overall food intake passes what you're burning.

D30b9ab240a461a1cac392fa35e9b7f0

(50)

on April 24, 2013
at 01:48 AM

Okay this seems pretty rational. I've also read all the other answers but decided to just respond to all here. So far, I'm four days into paleo. I had been exercising before paleo and still continue to daily. I've been eating the occasional blueberry (like maybe five a day when I'm feeling peckish), the occasional banana, and the occasional apple, basically one every other day. The last time I did a big dietary change it was to go gluten free and I lost weight then immediately without exercising. This is gluten free AND organic, mostly veggies and meat. Feeling optimistic! Thanks for answers!!

D30b9ab240a461a1cac392fa35e9b7f0

(50)

on April 24, 2013
at 01:51 AM

Also with doing targeted exercises every day and eating lean, organic, and local otherwise with no cheats... I swear I've already lost inches off my waist. I swim vigourously, have swiss/pilates exercise balls, ab roller, jump rope... lots of interval training. Lots of water. Feeling good so far... was thinking fruit restriction might go too far but I do agree many weren't around for our ancestors. I'm Native American and British heritage... so not a whole lot of fruit in my own direct lineage! But I agree, limited sugars is probably best.

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on April 22, 2013
at 06:50 PM

If you find that eating fruit impedes your weightloss efforts, then you can change your habit. Everyone is different and experiences different effects from fruit. I had a lot of weight to lose and found quitting fruit helped me. I eat it now a few times a week, not every day. I suggest trying different amounts and types to see what makes you happy.

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on April 22, 2013
at 05:07 PM

This is another area where everyone's mileage seems to vary, and significantly. Even small amounts of lower-fructose fruits (blueberries, mostly) immediately stall my weight loss. When I kicked the sugar demon and went cold turkey, I got the results I wanted.

Ee6932fe54ad68039a8d5f7a8caa0468

(2668)

on April 22, 2013
at 05:18 PM

hey, first off, blueberries have higher amounts of sugar than most berries. but i take issue with the idea that a small amount of blueberries stalled your fat loss. that's just completely impossible. if you make it a point to eat no carbs, yeah, maybe you packed in a tiny bit of water with the tiny amound of blueberries; but there's no way in hell that the caloric load of the blueberries (don't get me started on the insulin BS) is preventing your fat loss.

86c97b2779feab3c330f5e1c5fea7e25

(2312)

on April 22, 2013
at 05:54 PM

^^you've been served

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

(4238)

on April 22, 2013
at 06:22 PM

And here we have excellent evidence of the great variety of opinion and experience on Paleohacks. I do appreciate the downvote, though -- I don't get those very often, it's refreshing. Just a reminder that the PH board is all about two things, fundamentally: the paleo part (much of which is grounded in the sciences of nutrition anthropology and other disciplines) and the hack part (which is people sharing their own personal evidence, experience and results). And some people like to call bullshit on both.

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on April 22, 2013
at 06:21 PM

You see, fruits are pre-paleo. We evolved eating them over millions of years, but in the last 100,000 years we have evolved so much so that they are now mildly toxic to us. When I crave fruit, my body is actually trying to kill me, just like when it is producing cholesterol or circulating some of my own saturated fat. The scientific level of these statements is exactly equivalent.

It does not matter that I share 99.7% of my DNA with chimpanzee, my evolution actually took place in Greenland, and so I have to eat like an Eskimo. Even if I actually live in the tropics. Think how much longer would people in the Blue Zones live, if they were to ditch their fruit-rich diet entirely!

Speaking of tropics, you will also find out that, since we have evolved in Greenland or in other chilly places, our body got used only to temporary fruit crops with extremely low sugar levels. Think crab apples. It does not matter that wild apples in their natural range (Tien Shan) are much sweeter and larger than any crab apple (due to evolution - think bears eating and propagating preferentially the sweetest apples over millions of years), or that wild blueberries are in fact sweeter than the cultivated ones. It does not matter that many wild tropical fruits are in fact much sweeter than just about any commonly cultivated temperate fruit (e.g., any annonacea, baobab fruit, etc.).

It all looks like paleo for suburban simple folks, replete with a lot of things that did not exist in the paleolithic (which I certainly use in abundance because they are healthy, like fermented foods and bone broths, but which certainly are not paleo), and their own mythology about when exactly your body will try to kill you, or even that fat animals existed in all seasons in the paleolithic.

My advice: try to form a coherent scientific picture. Either we evolved on some foods, or we did not. And do not take advice from those who compromised their system so much, they have to restrict natural foods now. Specially if you buy your fruits at the supermarket, you have to worry not about sugar, they were bred for appearance, not nutrition.

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