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2 weeks PaNu, am I in ketosis? Not hungry but weight loss stalled

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Created January 30, 2011 at 1:28 PM

A few weeks ago I started eating low-carb, then started being strictly lacto-PaNu about 2 weeks ago. Once on PaNu I was dropping almost a pound a day without increasing my physical activity. I'm sure it was mostly water weight, but I also had strong symptoms of ketosis. I had so much steady energy, from morning till night, and I no longer had my sugar cravings.

Now that I'm starting to slowly gain these past few days, I wonder what I can do to kickstart ketosis again? I'm not so concerned with weight loss as I am with leaning out. I'm 5'3" and now weigh 124 lbs. My goal weight is 120 lbs (I was hovering at 128 the past eight months then experienced the quick drop switching to PaNu).

I haven't been measuring/tracking my food but today I started a FitDay log and was surprised that I only ate 860 calories yesterday! But I'm rarely hungry now, and don't understand why I'd gain a bit of weight after being low-calorie for at least a week now. http://fitday.com/fitness/PublicJournals.html?Owner=dorchid11&Year=2011&Month=0&Day=29

So my questions are: Am I still in ketosis if my weight has stalled? Why am I gaining weight if I'm eating very few calories? What can I do to lose the last few stubborn pounds, or should I just let it go?

EDIT: Thanks for the helpful answers. I think I still have quite a few things to try. To clear up any confusion, I'm not primarily concerned with my weight. I just don't want to up my calories and gain ten pounds in a week. From what I understand, that could only really happen if I filled up on carbs as opposed to fat/protein. So I'm going to up my calories with ruminant fat/protein, incorporate coconut oil and minimize cheese (so hard to stop cold turkey!), and increase strength training. I'll keep y'all updated :)

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

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on January 30, 2011
at 05:08 PM

Maybe 20 minutes of cardio intervals would be better....warm up five minutes, run a spring for one minute, then slow down for two mintues, then spring for one minute, slow down for two, and so on. Then a five minute cool down and you're done.

1cbb6b2a813475d6c0b17fd5e898dc50

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on January 30, 2011
at 04:00 PM

100% agree with Jessica. Paleo is the beginning! Paleo opens the mind and allows it seek answers.

1cbb6b2a813475d6c0b17fd5e898dc50

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on January 30, 2011
at 03:58 PM

Everyone is different. Some peoples metabolisms are so wrecked it takes a very long time to get it straight. Years of eating the SAD takes time to heal. 3 weeks on a paleo diet....you are in your infancy.

9dbfedbe21eae2a65093f8774ba8ad4d

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on January 30, 2011
at 03:58 PM

Thanks, that clears up a lot. I didn't realize how few calories I was eating till today. I also think I need to re-learn my hunger signals. I don't get a rumbling tummy anymore, instead I tend to feel a bit stiff in my back and muscles when I could use a fatty snack...

9dbfedbe21eae2a65093f8774ba8ad4d

(559)

on January 30, 2011
at 03:49 PM

You're right, I'm confused! I guess I'm not sure what numbers to pay attention to, and ultimately I don't want to pay attention to anything except my hunger/satiety signals, and the way my clothes fit. But I think my weight shows that I'm not lean but also not chubby. I don't know if this is my ideal weight, but if it's close I can understand why PaNu wouldn't make me thinner than I should be. I'm going to edit my question to clear up my goals. Thx.

9dbfedbe21eae2a65093f8774ba8ad4d

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on January 30, 2011
at 03:46 PM

I noticed the first two weeks I was constantly thirsty. That's diminished a bit, along with the weight loss stall. It's interesting to me that after years of failing at low-cal diets, I'm having trouble eating ENOUGH calories on PaNu :)

9bc6f3df8db981f67ea1465411958c8d

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on January 30, 2011
at 03:30 PM

Weight is not about calorie-in/calorie-out, it's about insulin sensitivity and what your body does with the calories. If your body thinks its starving, it'll down-regulate your metabolism in order to keep the stored fat stores intact because having plenty of fat storage can keep you alive longer in periods of starvation.

9bc6f3df8db981f67ea1465411958c8d

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on January 30, 2011
at 03:24 PM

The 30-40 minutes of cardio a day you do can be very counter productive and stressful for your body. You also seem to be training way too much. Losing weight is not about burning calories. The whole paleo approach to fitness is to do occasional high intensity efforts.

03d5a967b935e1e8ef202f313467878f

(485)

on January 30, 2011
at 02:27 PM

You shouldn't get a beat-down. Being paleo is not an end point. It's a start point, and everyone has a responsibility and right to experiment with what works best for them and not just expect a standard formula to work 100% of the time. If you have found something that works for you and you enjoy it, then GOOD FOR YOU!

9dbfedbe21eae2a65093f8774ba8ad4d

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on January 30, 2011
at 02:14 PM

Thanks for the links, Alan! I just got my Tropical Traditions coconut cream in the mail, it's so yummy. I'm thinking that would be good to help me rely less on dairy.

9dbfedbe21eae2a65093f8774ba8ad4d

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on January 30, 2011
at 02:10 PM

Thanks Karen. With all my new-found energy I'm sure that exercise will make a big difference. I'm going to try doing more strength-training and jogging, and I can't wait to ride my bike in the spring!

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on January 30, 2011
at 02:05 PM

I think your timeframe expectation may be a bit optimistic. For female support you may find this MDA forum thread useful. FWIU, coconut oil can be very useful to kick a person into ketosis. That's touched upon in PaNu's recent posts about Fats.

9dbfedbe21eae2a65093f8774ba8ad4d

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on January 30, 2011
at 02:14 PM

Thanks for the links, Alan! I just got my Tropical Traditions coconut cream in the mail, it's so yummy. I'm thinking that would be good to help me rely less on dairy.

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on January 31, 2011
at 06:00 PM

Your weightloss didn't stall, you went through your water weight.

Now begins the weightloss.

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on January 30, 2011
at 03:47 PM

You are on the right path to weight loss with tracking your calories. Track everything that goes into your mouth. You are not eating enough and the metabolism slows down to adapt. You need to up your calories...a lot and keep the carbs at 50g or under a day. With these 2 adjustments you'll see the rest of the weight you want to lose fall off. Then you need to maintain, so I would slowly up your carbs to about 100 a day, but keep logging and see how your body responds.

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03d5a967b935e1e8ef202f313467878f

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on January 30, 2011
at 02:31 PM

Take out all dairy except cream and grass-fed butter. That might help. Also, as we all know, chronic calorie restriction is not the best way to lose weight, and it's not sustainable (unless it's through intermittent fasting). If you are eating under 1000 calories a day every day of the week, your body will adapt by lowering your metabolic rate. Try adding a cheat day once a week and see if that gives you a nice drop about 3-4 days after the cheat day. Are you drinking a boat-load of water every day? If not, try that as well.

9dbfedbe21eae2a65093f8774ba8ad4d

(559)

on January 30, 2011
at 03:46 PM

I noticed the first two weeks I was constantly thirsty. That's diminished a bit, along with the weight loss stall. It's interesting to me that after years of failing at low-cal diets, I'm having trouble eating ENOUGH calories on PaNu :)

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61852721b5ff3613f56f043fe890a679

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on January 30, 2011
at 02:18 PM

it's sort of confusing to figure out what your goal is - you say you're "not really concerned" with weight loss," then go on to quote the numbers you want to see on the scale.

in any case, 860 kcal is not enough. i would add protein and fat to get your intake up; see if that helps.

9dbfedbe21eae2a65093f8774ba8ad4d

(559)

on January 30, 2011
at 03:49 PM

You're right, I'm confused! I guess I'm not sure what numbers to pay attention to, and ultimately I don't want to pay attention to anything except my hunger/satiety signals, and the way my clothes fit. But I think my weight shows that I'm not lean but also not chubby. I don't know if this is my ideal weight, but if it's close I can understand why PaNu wouldn't make me thinner than I should be. I'm going to edit my question to clear up my goals. Thx.

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on January 30, 2011
at 01:57 PM

I've been living the primal lifestyle for the past year. I came to that stall at one point; added cardio exercise, for me running. The pounds and belly fat magically melted away quickly! :)

9dbfedbe21eae2a65093f8774ba8ad4d

(559)

on January 30, 2011
at 02:10 PM

Thanks Karen. With all my new-found energy I'm sure that exercise will make a big difference. I'm going to try doing more strength-training and jogging, and I can't wait to ride my bike in the spring!

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Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

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on January 31, 2011
at 03:40 AM

You might also get some ketostix to see if you are in ketosis, then you won't have to guess.

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on January 30, 2011
at 06:54 PM

What if you lost 4 pounds of fat, but gained 4 pounds of muscle. Do you still want to be 120lbs? I agree with the rest of the posters. You need more food to keep up with your activity level!

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on January 30, 2011
at 05:17 PM

Try intermittent fasting... Here's my rountine.

Daily: restrict all eating to 6 hour window each afternoon/evening (2p-8p); this gives me an 18 hour daily fast.

Weekly or bi-weekly: keto-fast where I restrict carbs & protein, but eat some coconut oil and heavy cream, and make a point to workout.

I usually start the carb/protein restricted fast Fri 8p and end Sun around Noon (40 hours total); Sat AM I usually do a hard interval workout, either running or swimming, to deplete muscle glycogen stores.

When you go to bed Sat night, you will be in ketosis and SHRED fat stores all night long!!

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on January 30, 2011
at 02:16 PM

Agree with Karen. I realize that most Paleo experts do not typically endorse regular/frequent cardio but it does come with its own unique set of benefits. Along with the positive effects on mood and energy, regular cardio done right can certainly aid in revving up one's metabolism. A few things are critical: Do NOT overdo it....and be sure to incorporate some sort of strength training component. As someone who enjoys running for 45 - 90 mins, I must choose to limit myself to 1 long/slow run per week. Beyond that, I aim for 1 or 2 sessions of High Intensity cardio training for 30 minutes or less. Then I use dumbbells for strength training at least twice per week. I fear that the paleo experts will not agree, but I still like the fitness/exercise program put forward in Bill Phillips "Body-for-Life." I eagerly await the beat-down from Paleo-philes regarding this post.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on January 30, 2011
at 05:08 PM

Maybe 20 minutes of cardio intervals would be better....warm up five minutes, run a spring for one minute, then slow down for two mintues, then spring for one minute, slow down for two, and so on. Then a five minute cool down and you're done.

03d5a967b935e1e8ef202f313467878f

(485)

on January 30, 2011
at 02:27 PM

You shouldn't get a beat-down. Being paleo is not an end point. It's a start point, and everyone has a responsibility and right to experiment with what works best for them and not just expect a standard formula to work 100% of the time. If you have found something that works for you and you enjoy it, then GOOD FOR YOU!

1cbb6b2a813475d6c0b17fd5e898dc50

(1248)

on January 30, 2011
at 04:00 PM

100% agree with Jessica. Paleo is the beginning! Paleo opens the mind and allows it seek answers.

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28bce6b7be6a74bc8ce14882f55a7227

on January 30, 2011
at 02:11 PM

yeah same here im a male 31 been on paleo 3 weeks...its been great no need to cheat im never hungry...i work out 5 days a week i lift hard and do 30 - 40 min a cardio a day...ive noticed that the first 2 weeks the weight came out like crazy but now not so much...i feel like ive hit a plateau what can i do to change this

1cbb6b2a813475d6c0b17fd5e898dc50

(1248)

on January 30, 2011
at 03:58 PM

Everyone is different. Some peoples metabolisms are so wrecked it takes a very long time to get it straight. Years of eating the SAD takes time to heal. 3 weeks on a paleo diet....you are in your infancy.

9bc6f3df8db981f67ea1465411958c8d

(3690)

on January 30, 2011
at 03:24 PM

The 30-40 minutes of cardio a day you do can be very counter productive and stressful for your body. You also seem to be training way too much. Losing weight is not about burning calories. The whole paleo approach to fitness is to do occasional high intensity efforts.

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