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Weight gain on Ray Peat Protocol

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created January 21, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Ok, I got into ray peat via Cliff, and I've been following RP protocol religiously. well, at the beginning, I made some mistakes here and there but I think now I'm doing it pretty well on it. I eat melons, OJ, low fat or skim milk, carrots, eggs everyday. I sometimes add white rice, shrimps, livers to it. I used to but, stopped eating bananas or mangoes. My dessert is dark chocolate, I have 1/2-1 bar a week.
I gained 11 pounds so far, just by being on this diet. I can't afford to gain anymore weight. Is it common among RP dieters? or am I doing something wrong? I have weight to lose so it's becoming an issue that I stay on this diet. I DO feel much better on this diet than low carb diet, but this weight gain..sigh. Is it what's happening at the beginning of RP? Does weight gain imply I'm lack of certain mineral? Is there something I need to add to the diet or omit? should I count calories? What can I do about it? I want to restore my thyroid health AND also want to have progress on weight loss. 11pounds up now I'm not happy about it at all. Help!

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

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on July 15, 2012
at 10:58 PM

Taking aspirin with the niacin prevents flushing.

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on April 15, 2012
at 09:59 AM

Someone gave me Erfa, but I'm not sure what to do with it yet. I've looked for some possible retinol brands on iHerb (I buy Now Foods' retinol atm) and I guess the best ones would be Carlsons. It's really hard to find any in olive oil or something like that.

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:19 AM

Thanks Bruno. I am not taking retinol or any other supplements (only take thyroid). Maybe I will try Vit-A. Can you recommend a brand? I do not want to eat liver daily, as I understand it can also down regulate thyroid hormones, so 1-2 times per week is max for me.

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on April 11, 2012
at 03:58 PM

Correction : I'm just not bloated anymore.

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on April 08, 2012
at 01:07 PM

Yes bruno, also make sure to get niacin with minimal ingredients.

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on April 08, 2012
at 11:28 AM

Ray Peat does not advocate niacin really. I personally had a batch of niacin left so I use that, but he doesn't like the niacin flush (says it's bad), and recommends niacinamide.

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on April 08, 2012
at 11:22 AM

Just try it out slowly. Retinol has a U-shaped curve, says Dr. Peat : too much and too little will have anti-thyroid effects. He says for some people 5k IU is enough, but the higher your metabolism the more you need. Personally I need around 30k to keep acne down.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on April 08, 2012
at 10:59 AM

Ray Peat really says you gotta use retinol. The higher your metabolism, the more retinol. 150g liver is only something like 25k IU. Ray Peat said he needed 100k IU daily when he was working in the sun and his metabolism was high. Do you eat oysters, too?

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on April 01, 2012
at 06:33 AM

Travis: That's due to the high caloric density in milk, nothing to do with growth factors that don't survive the digestive process in meaningful levels anyway.

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on April 01, 2012
at 06:21 AM

Calories. Calories. Calories. Calories. Calories. Possibly glycogen. But probably Calories.

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on April 01, 2012
at 05:33 AM

"I've never seen anyone fail on ray peat doing it right". Everyone says this about whatever protocol they believe in, "if they failed they must not be doing it right". It's a BS excuse.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on March 31, 2012
at 03:39 PM

Seriously? You're not any better than those vegans shouting *you did it wrong!* Hanne found out low-carb doesn't work for her, so she's looking for other solutions. Ray Peat doesn't make me gain weight at all, and I'm also not bloated as often as I used to, so I think this question is fine.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on March 31, 2012
at 01:49 PM

Yeah, I'm afraid of getting too much copper too. My diet is really really high in it.

1a8287e347615e85e0cbf6930795cfcb

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on March 31, 2012
at 11:48 AM

As for Vit-A - I have diligently been eating 150 g liver weekly for more than half a year, mostly veal liver. I am skeptical to eat more - I did for a while, but I am afraid of getting too much copper and iron (have had some iron overload serum patterns). I used to take a topical retinoid on my face for sun spots. At that time I did not have acne. I have been concerned about possible negative endocrine effects of retinoid (tretinoin - acid form of Vit-A), so I stopped. Maybe it is all good. Any advice appreciated. Apart from acne my skin is good (no wrinkles at 36).

1a8287e347615e85e0cbf6930795cfcb

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on March 31, 2012
at 11:41 AM

Bruno, I take Thyroid-S from Sriprasit Pharma in Thailand. It has some aluminium in the coating, which I am not happy with, but I have good results with it, so I do not want to switch. It gets quite good reviews on http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ I guess other good brands are Armour and Erfa. Armour was apparently reformulated for the worse in 2009. I noticed the effects of Thyroid-S from just half a grain (half a pill). I take it crushed after breakfast.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on March 31, 2012
at 08:43 AM

I'd like to know more about supplementing thyroid. What brands are good? Also, retinol should get rid of your acne pretty well. Just eat some liver or supplement it. Fruit gave me acne at first, but since eating liver daily I don't have any active zits anymore. I'm not saying my skin is perfect, but it's way better than it has ever been.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on February 20, 2012
at 03:26 PM

Great of you to try out Ray Peat's protocol, Hanne. I didn't have the guts yet to try it out 100%. I'm only half in it.

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on January 25, 2012
at 06:05 PM

Hey Cliff, you're right. Hanne should get a nutritional consult with you since you obviously know more about Peat than Peat himself. As for me, I feel great and certainly do not have a weight problem. But if I feel like gaining 11 pounds, I'll be sure to follow Peat's suggestions as interpreted by you through a nutritional consult with you.

0bd9775b305d2a602d496649982bc614

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on January 23, 2012
at 11:04 PM

so cliff are you saying that if one is hypo and drink milk that gains them weight. if one is not hypo then drinking milk wouldn't make them gain weight-is what you are meaning?

0bd9775b305d2a602d496649982bc614

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on January 23, 2012
at 10:56 PM

Dave S. so far, you haven't been helpful.

0bd9775b305d2a602d496649982bc614

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on January 23, 2012
at 10:55 PM

what is nutritionism?

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on January 23, 2012
at 10:38 PM

Also the consultations are sort of lame (I did an email one). He just tells you all the stuff that is free on his website. Also he has his own way of communicating that can be difficult to decipher. He will tell you if he suspects you to be low thyroid but not how much or what to take.

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on January 23, 2012
at 03:13 PM

My mom healed an auto immune eye disease using just some of the ray peat prinicples

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 23, 2012
at 03:12 PM

Obviously the low carb didn't work for hanne either or she wouldn't be seeking out alternatives. It seems like to me the majority of people fail on low carb, I've never seen anyone fail on ray peat doing it right.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 23, 2012
at 03:10 PM

"otherwise we'd all be doin' it" Based on what?? I would wager 99% of people have never tried it so how could they know if it works for them? Gaining 11lbs on a high carb diet when coming from a low carb diet is hardly something to worry about.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 23, 2012
at 03:09 PM

No one said to take anything close to 3g. No ones body preferentially burns fat. The point of the niacin and aspirin is to correct glucose metabolism as most people have defective cellular respiration and produce a lot of lactic acid from carbohydrates. Both aspirin and niacin are not artificial and aspirin isn't even necessarily needed if you eat enough fruit as it contains salicylic acid. These are just tools for people to use that have defective metabolisms, they aren't something to use for life.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:46 PM

Don't most of us want to preferentially burn fat (especially body fat)? What an incredibly stupid idea to try and artificially force your body to metabolize glucose over fat - just eat less sugar for christ's sake! (And if this gets me banned, so be it.)

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:44 PM

Here's what the NIH has to say: "When doses of over 3 grams per day of niacin are taken, more serious side effects can happen. These include liver problems, gout, ulcers of the digestive tract, loss of vision, high blood sugar, irregular heartbeat, and other serious problems. Similar side effects can happen with large doses of niacinamide." http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/924.html I personally doubt that evolutionary inappropriate amounts of ANY form of niacin are healthy. It's best to get that stuff from food.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:35 PM

Um, lets see... ur gaining weight. Unless, of course, you WANT to be gaining weight, maybe you should rethink what you're doing. Just sayin'. I'm not hating on Ray Peat or cliff, but I doubt that protocol works for many people, otherwise we'd all be doin' it.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 23, 2012
at 01:48 PM

Maybe you should give ray peats stuff a try, your low carb lifestyle doesn't seem to be working according to your latest blood test.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 23, 2012
at 01:42 PM

Maybe you should do yourself a favor and read rays articles because you obviously have misinterpreted what he is all about. Orange juice isn't concentrated fructose, its 50/50 fructose/glucose(like sucrose). Where are your solutions for her weight gain? Dairies not for everybody because they are hypothyroid.

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on January 23, 2012
at 12:17 AM

+1, I use it as part of my ECA stack and no issues. I also take ginger, just to be on the safe side, though...

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on January 22, 2012
at 11:57 PM

Paul: That's due to the growth factors in the milk that some of us would like to manufacture endogenously.

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on January 22, 2012
at 09:30 PM

Paul, my experiences were pretty much opposite - dairy helped me to gain mass, faster, but not all of it was functional. Meat/eggs under the same workout regime resulted in a slower gain with less fat.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 22, 2012
at 01:31 PM

You can take either one or both, they both have similar effects.

0bd9775b305d2a602d496649982bc614

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on January 22, 2012
at 01:27 PM

will aspirin alone have the same effect? or one must take aspirin with niacin?

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on January 22, 2012
at 11:37 AM

But dairy and milk does work wonders for building up lean mass. Meat alone sucks in comparison. I've tested both.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 22, 2012
at 02:24 AM

@bill- I just quoted ray as the quote seemed relevant wasn't trying to provide sources, he has many in the article. @hanne- I use generic aspirin from the dollar store ingredients are aspirin and starch.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 22, 2012
at 02:23 AM

50-100mg twice a day is more than enough for most people in regards to niacin so no worries about overdosing.

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on January 22, 2012
at 01:33 AM

@ Cliff Thanks - I'll definitely have to research this further. Niacin at doses of over 3g/day can damage the liver, but nicotinamide (apart from being non-flushing) doesn't do this.

0bd9775b305d2a602d496649982bc614

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on January 21, 2012
at 10:10 PM

who gave Dave S. 2 votes? I don't even know what he's talking about.

0bd9775b305d2a602d496649982bc614

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on January 21, 2012
at 10:08 PM

Are we talking about Bayer when saying Aspirin?

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on January 21, 2012
at 09:56 PM

...that glycogen stores are being topped off? Hanne, are you gaining fat, or does the scale simply say you are 11 pounds heavier?

Ef4c5b09fdccf73be575d3a0c267fdd9

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on January 21, 2012
at 09:38 PM

CLiff, it's true, Asprin is relatively benign. But for future reference, when giving out sources to legitimize Ray's theories... quoting Ray himself isn't a proper source... use an outside source like pubmed or something... The studies are there.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 21, 2012
at 09:10 PM

what does gaining 11lbs mean your body is telling you?

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 21, 2012
at 09:09 PM

"The experiments in which aspirin produces stomach ulcers are designed to produce ulcers, not to realistically model the way aspirin is used." http://raypeat.com/articles/aging/aspirin-brain-cancer.shtml

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 21, 2012
at 09:06 PM

@dave- If your referring to the skin flushing that is why I recommend niacanamide which does not cause this.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on January 21, 2012
at 06:28 PM

I think your body is trying to tell you something. Listen.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on January 21, 2012
at 06:27 PM

High doses of niacin can be toxic.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 21, 2012
at 06:15 PM

They inhibit the release of fatty acids so your body oxidizes glucose instead of fat.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 21, 2012
at 06:13 PM

They decrease free fatty acids in the blood.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on January 21, 2012
at 04:55 PM

Very interesting - but could you elaborate on what you mean by aspirin and niacinamide inhibiting release of PUFA?

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E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 21, 2012
at 03:49 PM

Weight gain can mean a lot of things but most woman seem to gain at first on a ray peat style diet. Whats a typical day look like food wise? How many meals? Do you take any supplements?

Don't be too worried about the weight gain as most of it is probably water weight, you can expect to gain a good amount of water if your coming from eating a lower carb diet. I have heard anecdotes as well that people coming a low carb diet might want to increase carbs slowly to adjust better.

Ray peat fan group on facebook has some discussions on this issue if you use the search, probably have a lot more info than I can provide. Personally I would probably experiment with aspirin and niacianamide maybe other ray peat approved supps. The aspirin and niacin will help when transitioning as they inhibit the release of PUFA and shift your body towards glucose metabolism.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 21, 2012
at 09:06 PM

@dave- If your referring to the skin flushing that is why I recommend niacanamide which does not cause this.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on January 21, 2012
at 06:15 PM

They inhibit the release of fatty acids so your body oxidizes glucose instead of fat.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on January 21, 2012
at 04:55 PM

Very interesting - but could you elaborate on what you mean by aspirin and niacinamide inhibiting release of PUFA?

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on January 21, 2012
at 06:27 PM

High doses of niacin can be toxic.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on January 22, 2012
at 01:33 AM

@ Cliff Thanks - I'll definitely have to research this further. Niacin at doses of over 3g/day can damage the liver, but nicotinamide (apart from being non-flushing) doesn't do this.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on January 21, 2012
at 06:13 PM

They decrease free fatty acids in the blood.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on January 22, 2012
at 01:31 PM

You can take either one or both, they both have similar effects.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on January 22, 2012
at 02:23 AM

50-100mg twice a day is more than enough for most people in regards to niacin so no worries about overdosing.

0bd9775b305d2a602d496649982bc614

(252)

on January 22, 2012
at 01:27 PM

will aspirin alone have the same effect? or one must take aspirin with niacin?

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on January 23, 2012
at 02:44 PM

Here's what the NIH has to say: "When doses of over 3 grams per day of niacin are taken, more serious side effects can happen. These include liver problems, gout, ulcers of the digestive tract, loss of vision, high blood sugar, irregular heartbeat, and other serious problems. Similar side effects can happen with large doses of niacinamide." http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/924.html I personally doubt that evolutionary inappropriate amounts of ANY form of niacin are healthy. It's best to get that stuff from food.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on January 23, 2012
at 03:09 PM

No one said to take anything close to 3g. No ones body preferentially burns fat. The point of the niacin and aspirin is to correct glucose metabolism as most people have defective cellular respiration and produce a lot of lactic acid from carbohydrates. Both aspirin and niacin are not artificial and aspirin isn't even necessarily needed if you eat enough fruit as it contains salicylic acid. These are just tools for people to use that have defective metabolisms, they aren't something to use for life.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:46 PM

Don't most of us want to preferentially burn fat (especially body fat)? What an incredibly stupid idea to try and artificially force your body to metabolize glucose over fat - just eat less sugar for christ's sake! (And if this gets me banned, so be it.)

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on April 08, 2012
at 01:07 PM

Yes bruno, also make sure to get niacin with minimal ingredients.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on April 08, 2012
at 11:28 AM

Ray Peat does not advocate niacin really. I personally had a batch of niacin left so I use that, but he doesn't like the niacin flush (says it's bad), and recommends niacinamide.

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

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on July 15, 2012
at 10:58 PM

Taking aspirin with the niacin prevents flushing.

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on January 23, 2012
at 10:42 PM

I gained weight. I have been on his protocols since August of 2011. I gained 10 pounds and was so pissed because I could not afford to buy new clothes. So I was uncomfortable every day. Finally I ditched the liquid milk (which was also causing me acne and BIG time digestive issues) (I know that's a vitamin A and metabolism issue). The weight melted off in weeks with no other changes. I eat a ton of cheese and use some heavy cream on occasion -so I am still getting that calcium that Ray likes. I am a little heavier on the muscle meats than he likes, since I can't get that protein from milk. But I do a lot of bone broth and gelatin in conjunction.

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on March 31, 2012
at 07:57 AM

Okay, this was asked ages ago, but here is my RP weight gain story:

When I started a Ray Peat like eating style late November 2011 I was a bit on the skinny side: 109 lbs @ 5.7" (am female). I had been eating PHD / Paleo (high in starchy vegetables, but low in fruit) for 6 months, and even though I eat tons of food, my metabolism was clearly catabolic. I had lost about 6-7 lbs. Think most of the loss was muscle. According to my scale, my bodyfat was around 21% when I started eating RP style.

After 4-6 weeks I had gained back around 7 lbs, but this time I am quite sure it was muscle (and some water), not fat. I could notice a bit more muscle tone in my arms. My waist was stable (ie. not fatter).

The first six weeks on Peat style eating, I did not exercise except very easy body weight exercises one or two times per week. I think it helped to minimize using free fatty acids and protein for fuel, ie. facilitated muscle gains.

I stabilized at around 116 lbs for two months, then I added even more diary (raw goats milk - I already drank pasteurized goats milk and ate a lot of cheese). Within a week I had gained another 3.5-4 lbs. I had pretty significant strength gains on the dead lift and squat, so I think some of the gains must have been muscle. I have not been taking reduced fat diary.

According to my scale, I have lost body fat since starting eating Peat style. As said, I was around 21 % when I started. I then got down to around 15-17%. After adding the raw goats milk I was down to 13.5-15%. However, talking to someone who knows more than me on measuring body fat, a home scale like the one I have cannot be trusted. The change can be due to a change in / more favourable hormonal profile.

Anyway, I am stronger. So for me, adding of lots of fruits and diary, has had the classic bodybuilder GOMAD intended effect (even though I have never consumed a full gallon of milk per day - one litre at the most plus cheese).

For me, though, the body composition is only a part of the (desired) equation. I feel better generally, I have regained some of my brain and have better libido. The con for me is more acne, but it is not that bad.

Note that I started taking some pig thyroid four weeks into the Peat diet, but my weight gain started after 1-2 weeks. At the same time I stopped taking all other supplements (I took D3, K2, selenium with Vit-E, iodine, chromium, magnesium and from time to time a multi-mineral). I think cutting supplements, but ensuring I had a nutrient dense diet, also had a good effect on my metabolism.

I eat 5-6 times a day. Before, I ate 3 times a day. For me eating more frequently is better. I could get away with eating 3 times a day in the past, but after my metabolism got messed up it just did not suffice. Theory is that your cells get more of the glucose it needs (instead of using free fatty acids and protein).

Would be great to get an update from you Hanne.

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on March 31, 2012
at 11:41 AM

Bruno, I take Thyroid-S from Sriprasit Pharma in Thailand. It has some aluminium in the coating, which I am not happy with, but I have good results with it, so I do not want to switch. It gets quite good reviews on http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ I guess other good brands are Armour and Erfa. Armour was apparently reformulated for the worse in 2009. I noticed the effects of Thyroid-S from just half a grain (half a pill). I take it crushed after breakfast.

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on March 31, 2012
at 01:49 PM

Yeah, I'm afraid of getting too much copper too. My diet is really really high in it.

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on March 31, 2012
at 11:48 AM

As for Vit-A - I have diligently been eating 150 g liver weekly for more than half a year, mostly veal liver. I am skeptical to eat more - I did for a while, but I am afraid of getting too much copper and iron (have had some iron overload serum patterns). I used to take a topical retinoid on my face for sun spots. At that time I did not have acne. I have been concerned about possible negative endocrine effects of retinoid (tretinoin - acid form of Vit-A), so I stopped. Maybe it is all good. Any advice appreciated. Apart from acne my skin is good (no wrinkles at 36).

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on March 31, 2012
at 08:43 AM

I'd like to know more about supplementing thyroid. What brands are good? Also, retinol should get rid of your acne pretty well. Just eat some liver or supplement it. Fruit gave me acne at first, but since eating liver daily I don't have any active zits anymore. I'm not saying my skin is perfect, but it's way better than it has ever been.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on April 08, 2012
at 10:59 AM

Ray Peat really says you gotta use retinol. The higher your metabolism, the more retinol. 150g liver is only something like 25k IU. Ray Peat said he needed 100k IU daily when he was working in the sun and his metabolism was high. Do you eat oysters, too?

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on April 08, 2012
at 11:22 AM

Just try it out slowly. Retinol has a U-shaped curve, says Dr. Peat : too much and too little will have anti-thyroid effects. He says for some people 5k IU is enough, but the higher your metabolism the more you need. Personally I need around 30k to keep acne down.

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:19 AM

Thanks Bruno. I am not taking retinol or any other supplements (only take thyroid). Maybe I will try Vit-A. Can you recommend a brand? I do not want to eat liver daily, as I understand it can also down regulate thyroid hormones, so 1-2 times per week is max for me.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on April 15, 2012
at 09:59 AM

Someone gave me Erfa, but I'm not sure what to do with it yet. I've looked for some possible retinol brands on iHerb (I buy Now Foods' retinol atm) and I guess the best ones would be Carlsons. It's really hard to find any in olive oil or something like that.

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on January 21, 2012
at 03:54 PM

There is a good chance that you are simply gaining water, which is a result of switching from a low-carb diet to more moderate amounts of carbs... this is very common.

I have no idea how long you have been following this protocol but if this is within 2-weeks adherence, I wouldn't be too concerned, you aren't gaining fat.

That being said, I am not a fan of any milk in a diet. From my own experiences with dieting and dairy, with the exception of full-fat low-lactose products like cheese, butter, or yogurt - dairy just doesn't work well for weight loss. However, I am not Cliff and I am not very familiar with Ray Peat.

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on January 22, 2012
at 11:37 AM

But dairy and milk does work wonders for building up lean mass. Meat alone sucks in comparison. I've tested both.

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on January 22, 2012
at 11:57 PM

Paul: That's due to the growth factors in the milk that some of us would like to manufacture endogenously.

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on January 22, 2012
at 09:30 PM

Paul, my experiences were pretty much opposite - dairy helped me to gain mass, faster, but not all of it was functional. Meat/eggs under the same workout regime resulted in a slower gain with less fat.

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on April 01, 2012
at 06:33 AM

Travis: That's due to the high caloric density in milk, nothing to do with growth factors that don't survive the digestive process in meaningful levels anyway.

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on January 22, 2012
at 12:53 PM

I've heard some say that weight increases until metabolism speeds up. That said, I don't know of any specific cases where this has happened.

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on April 01, 2012
at 05:34 AM

old question but it's still calories in, calories out at the end of the day. yes it can get more complex than that, but if you are gaining fat weight, not water weight, and your body fat % is actuially going up, then it's a matter of calories.

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on January 23, 2012
at 04:16 PM

11 lbs isn't necessarily that much to be worried about, but as I understood it Cliff uses RP because he wants to gain weight - I don't know if it's had much success as a weight loss technique. I'm sure it's possible (you can lose weight with virtually any food sources, for a while at least) but it simply doesn't fit to an over-arching theory so I'm not sure how healthy it would be or how to fiddle with it to improve your results. It looks like nutritionism from what I've read and heard here.

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on January 23, 2012
at 10:55 PM

what is nutritionism?

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:16 AM

Hi Hanne,

Are you using any thyroid medication? Ray Peat is not opposed to thyroid hormone replacement when indicated and advocates use of natural thyroid hormone containing both T3 and T4 and Cytomel (synthetic t3 only). He does not advocate the use of T4 only preparations such as Synthroid. Your weight gain could be caused by untreated or undertreated thyroid condition or maybe you are sensitive to dairy or are eating too much fruit sugar or refined carbs for your metabolism. Food sensitivities definitely cause water retention. I respect Peat but dairy is definitely not for everybody. Same goes for the concentrated amounts of fructose such as orange juice. Also, skim milk is higher in lactose -- milk sugar. White rice is a highly refined carb.

You say you do feel better eating this way than low carb but perhaps you simply went too low carb (not everybody does well on ketogenic levels), or too low carb too quickly, or didn't give yourself enough time to adapt. If you want to continue eating fruit sugar and dairy -- may try eating whole fruit and ditching the juice. Drink whole milk and ditch the skimmed milk.

Peat offers telephone nutritional consults -- I think it would be be a tremendous help for you to troubleshoot directly with him. His site has contact info at raypeat.com.

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on January 23, 2012
at 01:48 PM

Maybe you should give ray peats stuff a try, your low carb lifestyle doesn't seem to be working according to your latest blood test.

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on January 23, 2012
at 10:38 PM

Also the consultations are sort of lame (I did an email one). He just tells you all the stuff that is free on his website. Also he has his own way of communicating that can be difficult to decipher. He will tell you if he suspects you to be low thyroid but not how much or what to take.

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on January 23, 2012
at 11:04 PM

so cliff are you saying that if one is hypo and drink milk that gains them weight. if one is not hypo then drinking milk wouldn't make them gain weight-is what you are meaning?

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(12857)

on January 23, 2012
at 01:42 PM

Maybe you should do yourself a favor and read rays articles because you obviously have misinterpreted what he is all about. Orange juice isn't concentrated fructose, its 50/50 fructose/glucose(like sucrose). Where are your solutions for her weight gain? Dairies not for everybody because they are hypothyroid.

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on January 25, 2012
at 06:05 PM

Hey Cliff, you're right. Hanne should get a nutritional consult with you since you obviously know more about Peat than Peat himself. As for me, I feel great and certainly do not have a weight problem. But if I feel like gaining 11 pounds, I'll be sure to follow Peat's suggestions as interpreted by you through a nutritional consult with you.

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on April 01, 2012
at 10:12 PM

White rice may not be all that great. Maybe you should see if you feel better without it. Potatoes are a better source of starch.

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on April 01, 2012
at 08:03 PM

I gained around 7kg in the first couple of months on Ray Peat diet, I continued with it and lost the extra weight I gained and am now a far leaner 100kg.

The weight I gained was definitely fat too as my abs entirely disappeared. Though I may not be the best example due to having got over a serous illness and ex powerlifter, my weight has changed dramatically in the last 2 years.

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on January 21, 2012
at 06:47 PM

I thought aspirin wasn't good for you due to the stomach ulcer issue.

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on January 21, 2012
at 09:38 PM

CLiff, it's true, Asprin is relatively benign. But for future reference, when giving out sources to legitimize Ray's theories... quoting Ray himself isn't a proper source... use an outside source like pubmed or something... The studies are there.

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on January 21, 2012
at 09:09 PM

"The experiments in which aspirin produces stomach ulcers are designed to produce ulcers, not to realistically model the way aspirin is used." http://raypeat.com/articles/aging/aspirin-brain-cancer.shtml

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(252)

on January 21, 2012
at 10:08 PM

Are we talking about Bayer when saying Aspirin?

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on January 22, 2012
at 02:24 AM

@bill- I just quoted ray as the quote seemed relevant wasn't trying to provide sources, he has many in the article. @hanne- I use generic aspirin from the dollar store ingredients are aspirin and starch.

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on January 23, 2012
at 12:17 AM

+1, I use it as part of my ECA stack and no issues. I also take ginger, just to be on the safe side, though...

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on March 31, 2012
at 12:55 PM

What a ridiculous question!

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on March 31, 2012
at 03:39 PM

Seriously? You're not any better than those vegans shouting *you did it wrong!* Hanne found out low-carb doesn't work for her, so she's looking for other solutions. Ray Peat doesn't make me gain weight at all, and I'm also not bloated as often as I used to, so I think this question is fine.

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on April 11, 2012
at 03:58 PM

Correction : I'm just not bloated anymore.

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