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Please hack my doctor appointment FAIL

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Created October 28, 2011 at 1:50 AM

I just got home from the most frustrating doctor appointment ever. This is mostly a rant about what happened, but I would really appreciate the paleosphere's opinion about how to handle my next appointment with the next doctor, since I'm clearly not going back to this one.

I made the doctor appointment because I wanted to request some specific lab work. I'm sad to say that I've gained a good 20 pounds in the last 4 months that seems to be almost entirely belly fat. To top it off, the ol' libido is barely there anymore and I'm constantly tired and sluggish. My symptoms (along with suspiciously thinning outer eyebrows) make me suspect a thyroid problem. I don't know how much genetics plays into thyroid disfunction, but my Dad, brother and paternal grandmother all had/have thyroid issues. I explained all this to the doctor, but from the start, he dismissed my suspicions, and instead chalked my lack of energy up to the fact that I've been putting in some late nights at the office lately. It's true that I have worked a 50-or-so hour work week for about a month now, but the tiredness and other problem started long before that. He also stated that my BMI (~25) is "perfectly healthy," nevermind the fact that it was 22 just a few months ago.

Then the appointment took a truly bizarre turn. He asked me why, at 33 and married, I hadn't had any kids yet. I explained that my husband and I have chosen not to have children. My husband had a vasectomy a few years ago, (with my blessing) and besides, I have a wonderful 17-year-old step son who is awesome. I'm comfortable with our decision; kids are just not for us. He then suggested that I might be DEPRESSED about not having kids. (um no...) He insisted that having a baby is the "most important decision that a woman can make" and he urged me to have a heart-to-heart chat with my husband about it to make good and sure that I am totally okay with the decision (I'm not an idiot - we talked extensively about it before we got married and again before DH had the vasectomy). He reminded me that I only had a few low-risk years left to have kids. I get the impression that he thought I'd been bullied into childlessness by DH and was in denial of my true feelings - and the resulting depression was causing my lethargy. Oi.

Moving on. I finally convinced him to order a thyroid panel and was specific about the tests I wanted: TSH, Free T3, Free T4, Reverse T3 and Thyroid antibody. I also asked for serum vitamin D levels and a complete hormone panel, as I've been wondering if my testosterone and estrogen levels could be out of whack. He left the office, and a nurse returned with lab paperwork ordering a TSH test and "metabolism panel." I asked her to take it back to him and have him add the rest of the tests we talked about. She returned and said that he insisted that TSH was the only test I needed. D levels are unrelated to my complaints and the fact that I have a regular, monthly menstrual cycle proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that there's nothing wrong with my hormones. I demanded to talk to him again in person, but no matter what I said, I couldn't change his mind; the rest was unnecessary and he would not order unnecessary tests. Not happy, but I went ahead and had the blood drawn. Question: Will the TSH test tell me anything about the condition of my thyroid, or do I really need to find a doc to order the rest of the tests?


A little background on my lifestyle: For three years now, I've eaten extremely clean paleo, on the lowish carb side. Lots of homemade bone broth soups with meat and non-starchy veggies, eggs, WAPF-style fermented veggies and BBQ (hubs is a BBQ'ing maniac - he's almost always grilling/smoking/BBQing a dead animal of some kind in the backyard, lol.) On weekdays, I almost always have a leafy salad with some leftover meat and artichoke hearts for lunch. I still eat nuts, (pistachios and macadamias mostly) but plan to cut back on them to see if it helps at all. I ate nuts before the weight gain though, so not sure if it will do any good. Very little dairy - a small amount of hard cheese maybe once a week. Until a couple of months ago, I ate quite low carb - meat, good fats and non-starchy veggies only. I finally added a small potato/sweet potato with most evening meals after I noticed my energy level bottoming out, and it helped a little, but I'm still pretty drained and definitely not feeling like myself. The addition of the potatoes only brought me up to maybe 75g of carb a day, max. I'm scared to add any more at this point, since I keep gaining weight, despite keeping my total calories around 1,200/day. I just don't understand how I could possibly gain on 1,200 calories, but here I am with only two pairs of "fat pants" that fit me right now. Sigh.

I've completed Dr. K's leptin reset, and while hunger is rarely a problem anymore, I think I even gained weight during the reset. (Not saying the reset specifically caused weight gain, but I definitely didn't lose anything.) I also IF from time to time, (usually lunch) as my appetite allows.

Most days I supplement with D-3, fermented CLO/BO, vitamin C, zinc, biotin, CoQ10, ALA/Acetyl L-Carnitine, magnesium and Lugol's iodine. I try to eat a couple of brazil nuts most days for selenium.

I can't claim to have done much exercise in recent months - I used to lift weights at home (Fred Hahn/Slow Burn style) a couple times a week, but I gave that up when I started feeling so lousy. As of a couple of weeks ago, I joined a gym and have started walking (briskly ~3.5 mph) on a treadmill for 30-40 minutes everyday after work. It's really all I can manage right now, but it feels good to be doing something again.

For those of you who are still reading, I apologize for the long, boring novel! I just didn't want to leave out any important details. Does anyone have any words of wisdom for me? I'm so darn frustrated right now, and these CW doctors are NOT helping.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on December 17, 2011
at 01:46 AM

If that woman keeps on popping out children, we're going to have to start committing suicide.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on December 17, 2011
at 01:44 AM

Lol! Someone is jealous of us!

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on December 17, 2011
at 01:00 AM

Just noticed that my question got downvoted twice recently too. Can't imagine what I said that was offensive, except for my lack of breeding inclination. Oh well!

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on December 16, 2011
at 11:07 PM

Oh god, not another male doctor who believes the only way a woman can be fulfilled is by having kids. I have endured this BS as well. I'm sorry; it's awful to take from a doc.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on December 16, 2011
at 10:58 PM

Apparently, someone didn't like the fact that I don't like kids. How funny :D

286a4ff7c362241c5c4b020df4972212

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on December 16, 2011
at 09:37 PM

Or a naturopath they are so much more in tune with split hormone testing panels - to be honest most GPs would not know the range difference. Mine admitted as much and said she would refer me to an endo but they would just do the standard TFT test. My Naturo dug deeper and we came to the conclusion that I had Adrenal fatigue - given that the treatment is working well I would say its spot on!

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on December 16, 2011
at 08:43 PM

Can you provide more info?

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on November 11, 2011
at 04:46 AM

I have seen http://www.drkarlisullis.com/Karlis_Ullis,_M.D./Welcome.html ; he takes insurance. I have no idea how common it is for doctors in this field not to take insurance in general. Call/email around.

83d6a06c93bb3490dbca339cbbb63385

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on November 11, 2011
at 04:35 AM

ACK I'm so sorry. One time I told my gyno that my boyfriend's (now husband) and my birth control was vasectomy and she proceeded to lecture me on how single men stray and lie and I should then be using condoms, or something. I was annoyed. Like married men don't stray.? Oh and eating bone broths for calcium was bad because blah blah I "shouldnt eat from the bottom of the food chain." That was a weird and confusing lecture. She likes to lecture.

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 01:23 AM

I won't give *up*

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:30 AM

Overpopulation is a big part of our decision. *Someone* needs to offset Michelle Dugger's 20 kiddos!

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:29 AM

Thanks Kewpie!!

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:28 AM

Thanks for these links! I have high hopes for my new prospective doc, but if he doesn't pan out, I'll definitely delve further into the online testing world on my own.

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:27 AM

Totally agree, Nance. I just can't picture how on Earth I'd be better off going back to canola oil, gluten and sugar.

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:25 AM

I plan to. Given the results of one of my tests (that he wouldn't order for me), I'd really like to smack him around a little.

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:22 AM

I read your comment to my husband and he agrees 100%. ;)

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:21 AM

I'm still looking for a new doc, but I noticed that the "anti-aging" and bio-identical hormone friendly docs pretty much never take insurance. Is that just the way it is? If I want to see these guys, I need to be willing to pay out of pocket? :/

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:18 AM

Great suggestions! I went ahead and ordered my own saliva tests (hormone/cortisol panel) online. If my next doc turns out to be a dud, I will probably spring for a complete thyroid panel too. I get a little selenium in my multivitamin, but probably not enough. I plan to add 200 mcg to my regimen.

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:09 AM

"Quest" is right! I know something's wrong and I won't give, but it's so frustrating the lengths you have to go to get (some) doctors to take you seriously. :(

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

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on November 11, 2011
at 12:07 AM

Thanks Katie! I will definitely check out the link.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on October 31, 2011
at 08:31 PM

Please adjust "Paleo isn't for everyone" to "Not everyone thrives on exactly the same mix of primal/paleo foods" and I'm with you, anon.

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(19479)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:56 PM

She said that she does IF on occasion and walks daily. Given that Paleo does not exclude any particular macronutrient, what would be the intent of saying "paleo isn't for everyone"? Is the suggestion that she should be eating bread, beans, refined sugar, and other "non-paleo" foods?

Bad3a78e228c67a7513c28f17c36b3cf

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on October 29, 2011
at 09:41 AM

Good idea, you can rate doctors on Angie's list as well.

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(4878)

on October 28, 2011
at 05:16 PM

Then I'd YELP.COM or other online rating service your experience. Bad service is bad service, no matter if it is at a cafe or a medical office.

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

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on October 28, 2011
at 02:54 PM

Find a doctor who will do the THO test for the antibodies - you can have normal TSH and still have the antibodies. Sorry for the sucky doctor!

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on October 28, 2011
at 11:27 AM

The truth is always in the middle. I'm sure your doctor wasn't as accommodating as you'd like, but this is someone you're coming to as experienced in health matters. No offense, but that doctor probably seems a dozen patients daily who come into his office self-diagnosed off of WebMD or the equivalent (PaleoHacks?) If you want off-the-shelf tests, find a doc-in-a-box that'll pull blood for you and send off for the tests without any questions.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on October 28, 2011
at 09:41 AM

"Paleo isn't for everyone". I wonder if that's true.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on October 28, 2011
at 06:12 AM

Good gravy! How awful! And asking about not having kids was WAY out of line. You have my sympathy; arrogant docs like that are soul-draining. And unfortunately, all too common. I wish you health, Kimbo!

Bbb65ec11a5cecf3a5fd9f400c979854

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on October 28, 2011
at 02:00 AM

Wow.Just... wow. I kinda want to know who this doctor is so that I NEVER go to him. His obvious disapproval with your decision to not have kids clearly affected his entire attitude toward you. Ugh. Deepest sympathies.

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on October 28, 2011
at 01:57 AM

Your doc sucked.....tsh is worthless. You definitely got some hormone issues cooking! Dont give up.

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0511b69b133556de6e7ef12d4ae262bc

(399)

on October 31, 2011
at 07:07 PM

I have been through both hyperthyroidism (with extreme weight LOSS), and hypothyroidism. I had my thyroid killed with radioactive iodine, which then caused the hypothyroidism. Point being, when I was HYPERthyroidism, I was always extremely sick and throwing up and lost a lot of weight. When I first became HYPO (underactive thyroid) then I became lethargic and gained weight. It didnt matter what I was eating either. I would keep gaining until I finally got put on something. My levels were all wrong. T3 and T4 were the final factor. I would definitely see a different dr and have them read the levels to you. Good luck in your quest! And just remember- you know your body best, if you think there is something wrong, then there is something wrong, you might have to test out a few things before you find out what it is, but dont give up. You have to be the one to fight for your own health.

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 01:23 AM

I won't give *up*

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:09 AM

"Quest" is right! I know something's wrong and I won't give, but it's so frustrating the lengths you have to go to get (some) doctors to take you seriously. :(

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1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on October 28, 2011
at 03:08 AM

When people ask me or my boyfriend about kids, I tell them straight out that I don't like kids, never have.

When they rebut with the "You'll feel differently when you have your own" crap, I just point to my body and say, "Hey, I don't want to ruin this and I like to sleep in on the weekends. And did I mention that I don't like kids?"

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on December 16, 2011
at 10:58 PM

Apparently, someone didn't like the fact that I don't like kids. How funny :D

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on December 17, 2011
at 01:44 AM

Lol! Someone is jealous of us!

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on December 17, 2011
at 01:00 AM

Just noticed that my question got downvoted twice recently too. Can't imagine what I said that was offensive, except for my lack of breeding inclination. Oh well!

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A1a0baccef58499acf9ceb3c874997f2

on October 28, 2011
at 04:50 AM

When you leave that doctor, I'd write him a good, professional letter of complaint. Tell him exactly why you'll never return to him.

Bad3a78e228c67a7513c28f17c36b3cf

(1387)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:41 AM

Good idea, you can rate doctors on Angie's list as well.

Medium avatar

(4878)

on October 28, 2011
at 05:16 PM

Then I'd YELP.COM or other online rating service your experience. Bad service is bad service, no matter if it is at a cafe or a medical office.

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:25 AM

I plan to. Given the results of one of my tests (that he wouldn't order for me), I'd really like to smack him around a little.

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3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on October 28, 2011
at 02:00 AM

Change doctors, this guy sounds like an idiot. I'm 38, married, and my husband and I have also decided to not have children (mostly because we don't want to add to the 7+ billion of people already on this planet any additional pressure for resources). So yeah, ditch that doctor, and also tell him he sucks.

I hope your thyroid-like problems are not connected to your iodine supplements btw. Iodine can be a double edge sword.

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:30 AM

Overpopulation is a big part of our decision. *Someone* needs to offset Michelle Dugger's 20 kiddos!

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on December 17, 2011
at 01:46 AM

If that woman keeps on popping out children, we're going to have to start committing suicide.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on October 28, 2011
at 03:15 AM

You can order a lot of your own blood tests if you don't mind paying out of pocket.

Here's one: http://www.healthonelabs.com/user/inside.php?gclid=CIe_o6m0iqwCFQY1hwodEnvTqw

Also a $70 test D3 test via ZRT labs.

Google is your friend.

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:28 AM

Thanks for these links! I have high hopes for my new prospective doc, but if he doesn't pan out, I'll definitely delve further into the online testing world on my own.

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61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

(3175)

on October 28, 2011
at 03:48 PM

It pretty simple girly.

Do you work? Maybe you should quit your job. Are you a good cook? Your husband would love you more if his dinner was on the table when he comes home at night. Is your house clean? Maybe time for a new hoover. Does your husband beat you? Maybe you should try to be nicer to him. Does he cheat on you? You should put out more.

Just kidding. I can't believe your doc said that. I hope you never go back to him and tell everyone you know to stay away!

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:22 AM

I read your comment to my husband and he agrees 100%. ;)

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on October 28, 2011
at 02:01 AM

I don't know much about thyroid function or hormone balances, so I can't help you with your lack of energy/weight gain. However, I'm really glad to hear you will be looking for a new doctor. His behavior was completely unprofessional. That's beyond just being a typical CW doctor; he was a total ass. I couldn't imagine having a doctor second guess my reproductive choices or decline to order blood work I requested.

I hope you find a new doctor soon and get some real answers.

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:29 AM

Thanks Kewpie!!

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on October 31, 2011
at 08:44 PM

Re: the genetic factor - my doctor explained to me that women are much more prone to thyroid problems than men and that it is partially genetic, so with a father and a brother with thyroid issues, chances are that, as a woman, your risk is even higher than theirs.

From what I understand, T3 and T4 can be difficult to get good readings on, but the thyroid antibodies are a must! Even if your TSH doesn't appear low, the presence of thyroid antibodies still may be able to show if there's a problem and may help to narrow down what that problem is.

You're definitely not the only one who's had problems convincing their doctor of a thyroid condition. Check out this website for more information and thyroid support groups: http://thyroid.about.com/od/patientsupportgroups/a/online-thyroid-support.htm

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:07 AM

Thanks Katie! I will definitely check out the link.

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on October 28, 2011
at 03:43 AM

Switch to blood type, get your genotype and try intermittent fasting. Something is wrong with your food choices and finesse your exercise also. Do not waste time with any doctors at this point other than ones who can prescribe bioidentical hormones. That is what's up next in your 40s so buckle up. In the mean time, watch your cycle and possibly add progesterone cream the last two weeks of your cycle. You could be estrogen dominant. That is certainly a possibilty given the fact that you're not exercising.
Men doctors I swear, such a bunch of sexist assholes. And don't let anyone convince you it isn't hormones. It really could be. And if it isn't it will be. But start with your diet first. Hello, paleo isn't for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on October 28, 2011
at 09:41 AM

"Paleo isn't for everyone". I wonder if that's true.

Medium avatar

(19479)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:56 PM

She said that she does IF on occasion and walks daily. Given that Paleo does not exclude any particular macronutrient, what would be the intent of saying "paleo isn't for everyone"? Is the suggestion that she should be eating bread, beans, refined sugar, and other "non-paleo" foods?

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on October 31, 2011
at 08:31 PM

Please adjust "Paleo isn't for everyone" to "Not everyone thrives on exactly the same mix of primal/paleo foods" and I'm with you, anon.

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:27 AM

Totally agree, Nance. I just can't picture how on Earth I'd be better off going back to canola oil, gluten and sugar.

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on October 29, 2011
at 09:49 AM

Second the suggestion of getting your own tests while you look for another doctor. I've used direct labs https://www.directlabs.com/Default.aspx?&catid=93&language=en-US&tabid=55 You order test online, go to one of there affiliated labs to get the blood drawn, then look up your results online. It's fast.

Re iodine, I take it as well, but I believe you should take selenium with it. Check out info on Iodine at http://perfecthealthdiet.com/. There is also lots of good info on Thyroid issues there.

This is a great site for understanding hypothyroidism http://nahypothyroidism.org/thyroid-hormone-transport/#reverseT3

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:18 AM

Great suggestions! I went ahead and ordered my own saliva tests (hormone/cortisol panel) online. If my next doc turns out to be a dud, I will probably spring for a complete thyroid panel too. I get a little selenium in my multivitamin, but probably not enough. I plan to add 200 mcg to my regimen.

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25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on October 29, 2011
at 07:06 AM

Find a better doctor. Never see that doctor again, get lab results faxed or emailed to you. Google "anti-aging" docs in your area and similar terms...

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on November 11, 2011
at 04:46 AM

I have seen http://www.drkarlisullis.com/Karlis_Ullis,_M.D./Welcome.html ; he takes insurance. I have no idea how common it is for doctors in this field not to take insurance in general. Call/email around.

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 11, 2011
at 12:21 AM

I'm still looking for a new doc, but I noticed that the "anti-aging" and bio-identical hormone friendly docs pretty much never take insurance. Is that just the way it is? If I want to see these guys, I need to be willing to pay out of pocket? :/

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Dd0cbf6d0d57386e0c83e55458d97f48

on December 16, 2011
at 08:36 PM

See a licensed acupuncturist.

286a4ff7c362241c5c4b020df4972212

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on December 16, 2011
at 09:37 PM

Or a naturopath they are so much more in tune with split hormone testing panels - to be honest most GPs would not know the range difference. Mine admitted as much and said she would refer me to an endo but they would just do the standard TFT test. My Naturo dug deeper and we came to the conclusion that I had Adrenal fatigue - given that the treatment is working well I would say its spot on!

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on December 16, 2011
at 08:43 PM

Can you provide more info?

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