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Will you drink more water now?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 01, 2011 at 4:33 PM

I started to rethink my views on water after reading Dr. Mike Eades latest post:

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/tips-tricks-for-starting-or-restarting-low-carb-pt-ii/#more-4549

I've mostly thought that Mark Sisson's "drink when thirsty" advice was sufficient, but Dr. Eades has some interesting points.

By the way, scroll down to "Hydration" to see what I'm talking about, as the post is rather lengthy (although a good read).

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on February 09, 2012
at 01:47 AM

MOAR!!!!!!!!!!!

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on July 03, 2011
at 02:55 PM

Just like it would be silly to go the dermatologist regarding my long history of hives, eczema and acne I had, but which are now totally gone thanks to primal, or to the gynecologist about my previously messed up hormones and periods which are now textbook.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on July 03, 2011
at 02:53 PM

I have certainly heard about low stomach acid and I'm sure I had it then. I just don't have it now. I drink liquids with no issues (although I don't drink liters of water anymore). If I had any symptoms whatsoever of low stomach acid, certainly I would get tested. Likewise if all my varied IBS symptoms come back, I would be back at the gastro trying to figure out what I can do. But changing my eating (most notably going grain free) eliminated all the previous problems I had. It's plain silly to 'get tested' for a digestive problem you have had zero symptoms of for over a year.

B14dc4aa1ddefbec3bc09550428ee493

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on July 03, 2011
at 04:34 AM

True, but once you stop exercising your thirst signals go back online and the body makes it up. It all evens out without you making a conscious effort to do so. If it didn't work this way we'd have people dropping dead from lack of water all over the place. As far as anecdotal evidence, the fact that they don't know they have some disorder doesn't mean they don't have one. The human body is self-regulating. If it fails to do this, yeah, that's a disorder by definition. It's not normal functioning.

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

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on July 02, 2011
at 10:06 PM

Ok, so I get it. Sorry to offer help to a complete stranger. You don't know want to educate yourself or go get a test. If drinking water causes reflux it is because it lowered your stomach acid to a point that causes reflux (which should not happen no matter how much water you drink) which means your stomach acid is borderline low IMO. Stomach acid generally decreases with age... All I'm asking you to do is get it tested and see for yourself.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on July 02, 2011
at 06:45 PM

OVERHYDRATING gave me reflux (back when I ate SAD and also drank tons of water, all day long). Adeqaute hydration gives me no problems at all. I haven't had heartburn etc in 16 months.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 02, 2011
at 12:51 PM

@Turkey, while personally I concur, for athletes or just athletic people, many times simply going with "thirst" is not enough. The more absorbed in an activity you are the less you are going to think about "boy I'm thirsty" or "boy i'm hungry". In fact, your body is smart and when sent signals that there is danger and you must flee (which is what intense exercise will do) it will purposefully go some way to NOT send thirst and hunger signals since doing so would, historically anyhow, get you dead quick.

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on July 02, 2011
at 12:49 PM

While I personally drink when thirsty with no problems, I have to agree with Ryan. Especially regarding Crossfitter, sprinters, and the nicely mentioned military. Many of these people, from either absent-mindedness or (more likely I believe) simply being very dedicated and "into" their activity, can often go too long and too hard without adequate hydration.

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(1801)

on July 02, 2011
at 12:18 PM

There's a lot of anecdotal evidence from people who need more water than their thirst prescribes. There are many other possibilities for the increased need beyond a disorder. Could be carb intake, activity level, or other factors.

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

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on July 02, 2011
at 04:33 AM

Including your body not getting the minerals/vitamins from the food your consuming. Just because its not slapping you in the face Via Heart burn doesn't mean its not an issue.

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

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on July 02, 2011
at 04:32 AM

Right, but yet you say drinking water contributes to reflux/heart burn. They should not be connected, and my original statement still stands. You should read the book, and go get your stomach acid measured. Besides if I am wrong, then no big deal. If I am right you may be preventing yourself from maximal performance and health due an improper digestion maybe not now but down the road as stomach acid can be related to a lot of health issues.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

(7967)

on July 02, 2011
at 03:57 AM

I'm not going to take supplements as I don't have heartburn, acid reflux, or IBS any more. Primal cured my digestion. :)

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

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on July 02, 2011
at 03:32 AM

So do my kidneys.

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

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on July 01, 2011
at 07:23 PM

I would say that you need to supplement with HLC, if water is lowering your stomach acid enough to cause reflux and heartburn side effects then you have low stomach acid and there is a good chance you will develop those issues down the road regardless of how much water you drink. I recommend you pick up the book "why stomach acid is good for you" and read it.

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on July 01, 2011
at 07:06 PM

Agreed on the point regarding "flushing out the crap." I'm notorious for not proactively drinking enough. Trying to change that now in my fat loss efforts.

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on July 01, 2011
at 06:23 PM

@animalcule - Dr Eades begs to differ.

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on July 01, 2011
at 06:13 PM

The impact diuretics like alcohol and caffeine have on your hydration has been much exaggerated. Liquids are liquids and you can stay completely hydrated only drinking alcoholic and caffeinated beverages.

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on July 01, 2011
at 05:55 PM

LOVE mobility WOD. HATE that he calls himself "K-STAR".

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C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

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on July 01, 2011
at 05:43 PM

Coming from someone who has seen people become dehydrated and need medical attention. I think the "Drink when Thirsty" is a load of crap.

I've seen troops who train all day in 30+ degree heat, drink under a liter of water because their not thirsty.

While I did like Mark Sission's book I do not believe he was remotely correct at all in that statement for anyone that has any kind of physical activity in the sun.

Also I used to be chronically dehydrated. I would wake up in the middle of the night with a cramp in my leg, it took me 2 years to figure out what was causing it (would happen at least 2 times a week)

When I moved from Nova Scotia (on the ocean) to Ontario (inland), the air was dryer I drank a lot more water. Never Cramped, went back to Nova Scotia and water intake went down, cramps came back. Increased water intake and now they only hit when I seem to not drink enough.

Yet I was always drinking when I was thirsty when I had the cramps.

Also with Mark Sission's background of a Marathon Runner I'm sure he has seen a lot of people hit the dirt from not enough water.

Not to mention water is the main source for your body to get rid of any crap in your system and most people will not argue that drinking more water is generally a good place to start for fat loss.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 02, 2011
at 12:49 PM

While I personally drink when thirsty with no problems, I have to agree with Ryan. Especially regarding Crossfitter, sprinters, and the nicely mentioned military. Many of these people, from either absent-mindedness or (more likely I believe) simply being very dedicated and "into" their activity, can often go too long and too hard without adequate hydration.

6481788df76f391ba2746d9f1ad1e8f1

(799)

on July 01, 2011
at 07:06 PM

Agreed on the point regarding "flushing out the crap." I'm notorious for not proactively drinking enough. Trying to change that now in my fat loss efforts.

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Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on July 02, 2011
at 04:14 PM

I drink liquids all day - water and seltzer, some green tea, etc. It's not as if I'm thirsty all the time but I actually have difficulty with thermal regulation and it helps me stay level. In my opinion, I feel the "waiting until I'm thirsty" mentality can be dangerous and cause more harm than good.. that it's better to be prepared rather than wait. For me, it's not like I'm gulping gallons of water a day but I definitely have a wide-mouth mason jar or a pint jar handy at all times, double water bottles on my bike - I drink out of those at CF as I cycle down, and carry water in a tote at all times. Everyone is different and I guess I just prefer to slosh a bit :)

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on February 09, 2012
at 01:47 AM

MOAR!!!!!!!!!!!

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B14dc4aa1ddefbec3bc09550428ee493

on July 02, 2011
at 03:57 AM

Unless you have some sort of disorder that interferes with your body's ability to sense it's need for water, I'd say there is no need to worry about it. They human body, when it's healthy, has an amazing ability to self-regulate. Personally, I just don't worry about it. I drink when I'm thirsty or a drink sounds appealing. I drink herbal tea of varying types, plain water and mineral water. Everything works out fine. I think many of us have been brainwashed by previous diet plans that have us constantly filling up on water to ward off hunger and/or flush out ketones. When left alone the body will do just fine, unless, of course, as I said before, you have some sort of disorder that interferes with it.

B14dc4aa1ddefbec3bc09550428ee493

(3909)

on July 03, 2011
at 04:34 AM

True, but once you stop exercising your thirst signals go back online and the body makes it up. It all evens out without you making a conscious effort to do so. If it didn't work this way we'd have people dropping dead from lack of water all over the place. As far as anecdotal evidence, the fact that they don't know they have some disorder doesn't mean they don't have one. The human body is self-regulating. If it fails to do this, yeah, that's a disorder by definition. It's not normal functioning.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 02, 2011
at 12:51 PM

@Turkey, while personally I concur, for athletes or just athletic people, many times simply going with "thirst" is not enough. The more absorbed in an activity you are the less you are going to think about "boy I'm thirsty" or "boy i'm hungry". In fact, your body is smart and when sent signals that there is danger and you must flee (which is what intense exercise will do) it will purposefully go some way to NOT send thirst and hunger signals since doing so would, historically anyhow, get you dead quick.

1ccc0b0b7a756cd42466cef8f450d0cb

(1801)

on July 02, 2011
at 12:18 PM

There's a lot of anecdotal evidence from people who need more water than their thirst prescribes. There are many other possibilities for the increased need beyond a disorder. Could be carb intake, activity level, or other factors.

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Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

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on July 01, 2011
at 06:02 PM

ive tried the "drink when youre thirsty" thing, and it backfired badly. im just never thirsty, and will end up going days without water. i get terrible headaches, muscle stiffness, cramping, and my weight loss will plateau. i mentioned here a couple of months ago that my blood-work showed consistently high potassium on weekly draws over three or four weeks and my doc wanted me to go in for an EKG. this was also in the middle of a 7 week migraine, which brought me to the docs in the first place. in order to avoid the EKG, i started pounding water like a crazy person and dont you know it the potassium normalized and the migraine went away.

so, ive started to force myself to drink water which i dont like. i drink plain seltzer from a quart-sized mason jar with the juice of one whole lime in it and through a straw so it goes down faster! im trying to drink three quarts a day, and the weight has started melting off and i feel so much better.

i read the link and i have to say that im a little shocked at how much booze and coffee dr. eades is consuming without knowing that they are diuretics! im hoping its just he writing style, and hes using anecdotes that are a little overblown in order to prove his point!

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

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on July 02, 2011
at 03:32 AM

So do my kidneys.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

(7967)

on July 01, 2011
at 06:13 PM

The impact diuretics like alcohol and caffeine have on your hydration has been much exaggerated. Liquids are liquids and you can stay completely hydrated only drinking alcoholic and caffeinated beverages.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 01, 2011
at 06:23 PM

@animalcule - Dr Eades begs to differ.

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1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

on July 01, 2011
at 05:26 PM

I just don't seem to need as much water on this diet. If I drink when not thirsty, I just pee it back out very quickly. Even when exercising, it takes a lot less to achieve what seems to be a proper level of hydration.

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on July 01, 2011
at 04:40 PM

For another good take on this, check out Kelly Starrett's recent post on hydration and electrolyte intake: Mobility WOD: Let's Get Real About Summer Time Hydration

I noticed a huge change in muscle stiffness after adjusting my water and salt intake.

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on July 01, 2011
at 05:55 PM

LOVE mobility WOD. HATE that he calls himself "K-STAR".

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on July 02, 2011
at 08:28 PM

I am interested in the idea that hydration needs may be very individual. In San Fran I can go a long time without feeling thirsty as it is a temperate climate and you are not sweating it out.

I read the Eades article twice and never saw any recommendations for concrete amounts of liquids to stay hydrated, so I guess is is a very individual thing. Personally, I trained myself to drink the oft stated 64oz a day. But if I don't get there I also remember that we get a fair amount of water from our food. I've read from casual sources that as much as 30% of our water needs comes from the food we eat.

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on July 01, 2011
at 07:15 PM

Being a recovering insulin resistant individual, I am always thirsty anyway (although it's getting better). I have a 600mL bottle that gets refilled about 6-8 times daily... force of habit.

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26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

on July 01, 2011
at 06:11 PM

I drink much less now than I did for years. Too much water makes me really bloated, and contributes to my indigestion (especially reflux/heartburn stuff). My gastroenterologist told me this might be the case before I went paleo, I couldn't believe it! But it is in fact true, for me.

I only drink when I am thirsty, and never with meals, that is enough to keep my pee light to medium yellow. This is the best way to monitor your hydration, IMO. And no, your pee shouldn't be clear. That means you've taken in so much unecessary liquid that your body is just dumping near-pure H2O out the other end!

How thirsty I am totally varies by the day. I rarely find myself getting anywhere close to "eight 8oz servings per day", but at 105 lbs with a kid-sized torso, it makes sense that I don't need as much as most adults. I do take care to drink a decent portion of water after working out, and that seems to greatly reduce muscle soreness the next day. If I forget, I notice a difference.

Some people do not have a good thirst instinct and they should be very careful not to get dehydrated. As far as I know I have never in my life been dehydrated.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

(7967)

on July 02, 2011
at 06:45 PM

OVERHYDRATING gave me reflux (back when I ate SAD and also drank tons of water, all day long). Adeqaute hydration gives me no problems at all. I haven't had heartburn etc in 16 months.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

(7967)

on July 03, 2011
at 02:55 PM

Just like it would be silly to go the dermatologist regarding my long history of hives, eczema and acne I had, but which are now totally gone thanks to primal, or to the gynecologist about my previously messed up hormones and periods which are now textbook.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

(7967)

on July 02, 2011
at 03:57 AM

I'm not going to take supplements as I don't have heartburn, acid reflux, or IBS any more. Primal cured my digestion. :)

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

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on July 01, 2011
at 07:23 PM

I would say that you need to supplement with HLC, if water is lowering your stomach acid enough to cause reflux and heartburn side effects then you have low stomach acid and there is a good chance you will develop those issues down the road regardless of how much water you drink. I recommend you pick up the book "why stomach acid is good for you" and read it.

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

(2246)

on July 02, 2011
at 04:33 AM

Including your body not getting the minerals/vitamins from the food your consuming. Just because its not slapping you in the face Via Heart burn doesn't mean its not an issue.

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

(2246)

on July 02, 2011
at 10:06 PM

Ok, so I get it. Sorry to offer help to a complete stranger. You don't know want to educate yourself or go get a test. If drinking water causes reflux it is because it lowered your stomach acid to a point that causes reflux (which should not happen no matter how much water you drink) which means your stomach acid is borderline low IMO. Stomach acid generally decreases with age... All I'm asking you to do is get it tested and see for yourself.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

(7967)

on July 03, 2011
at 02:53 PM

I have certainly heard about low stomach acid and I'm sure I had it then. I just don't have it now. I drink liquids with no issues (although I don't drink liters of water anymore). If I had any symptoms whatsoever of low stomach acid, certainly I would get tested. Likewise if all my varied IBS symptoms come back, I would be back at the gastro trying to figure out what I can do. But changing my eating (most notably going grain free) eliminated all the previous problems I had. It's plain silly to 'get tested' for a digestive problem you have had zero symptoms of for over a year.

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

(2246)

on July 02, 2011
at 04:32 AM

Right, but yet you say drinking water contributes to reflux/heart burn. They should not be connected, and my original statement still stands. You should read the book, and go get your stomach acid measured. Besides if I am wrong, then no big deal. If I am right you may be preventing yourself from maximal performance and health due an improper digestion maybe not now but down the road as stomach acid can be related to a lot of health issues.

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