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Is there anything safe to drink in large amounts?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 10, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Hey there,

After this thread, I'm trying to relegate my mate habit to weekends, although I've found both good side-effects of it and contradictory information about the cancer risks. Extremes lead to sickness and suffering, as the indian sage would say.

Still, I am a very thirsty person, and if 3-5L of mate everyday is not healthy, I wonder what is. Is this amount of tea (green, white, pu-erh, whatever) safe? Is this amount of herbal teas (lemongrass, boldo, hibiscus) safe? Perhaps this amount of juice? I don't really feel like drinking water, so any suggestion is welcome.

Thanks!

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on April 14, 2010
at 07:04 PM

I think traditionally cups of green tea in Japan are quite small, 150 ml/ 5 fluid ounces, in volume so 10 cups may not be as much tea as it seems at first.

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on March 14, 2010
at 02:41 AM

No, I don't have a link. But it's something I looked into extensively 8 or 10 years ago, and found what seemed to be pretty solid information that the tea plant is a fluoride accumulator. I think if you do some searching you should be able to turn somthing up.

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on March 12, 2010
at 10:50 PM

Hi Hilary. Interesting point about the fluoride in teas. Do you have a good link for that? Thanks,

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on March 11, 2010
at 06:46 PM

Stimulants (from some teas) as well as alcohol can have a diuretic effect, which can cause excessive thirst.

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on March 11, 2010
at 05:08 PM

Used to be, at least... I'm gonna double check it this month, but I don't think I'm close to diabetic, as my diet was always basically paleo+bread+alcohol ;)

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on March 11, 2010
at 10:42 AM

Yes, I guess body size, season and activity is an issue, I was comparing it to how much I drink per day, I do not even reach 1 litre of water....but as you say, other factors like stimulants may be present here....

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on March 11, 2010
at 03:59 AM

Geez, I love green tea, but I don't think I could handle 10 cups!

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on March 11, 2010
at 02:48 AM

Great points, Louisa. The 3 to 5 liters of fluid doesn't sound outlandish to me. An average sized, sedentary adult needs about 2.5 liters per day. If Konrad is an active person, he could easily require 3 to 5 liters per day. However, if he's drinking stimulants such as caffeine and theophylline, this could cause diuresis and stimulate thirst.

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on March 11, 2010
at 01:02 AM

Why are you so thirsty? That's not normal or healthy. Are you diabetic? Are your blood sugar levels well-controlled?

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on March 11, 2010
at 12:14 AM

Good one Louisa! When I cleaned carpets for a living I used to chug back diluted juice instead of pop. Most carpet cleaners buy the biggest baddest sodas they can find!

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Be4b60059db3511771303de1613ecb67

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on March 10, 2010
at 08:12 PM

Water is really best. Non-caffeine herbal teas like Rose Hips etc. shouldn't be bothersome, but if you drink them in large quantities, water them down and change them up. Bone broth is great. Lemon/lime in water is good, too. Teas with caffeine or stimulants like Mate probably shouldn't be consumed in large quantities, though I love my morning coffee. Perhaps the stimulant in Mate makes you thirsty and it has become slightly addicting?

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 10, 2010
at 06:30 PM

Why not cut back your mate consumption to only one L (and don't eat the leaves), and substitute other liquids for the rest.

I would skip the juice idea- it is usually full of sugars. If your choice is to have other herbal teas, don't just have one kind.

Just a question. Have you ever had your blood sugars tested? Extreme thirst can be a sign of diabetes.

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on March 12, 2010
at 04:28 PM

5 litres is a lot to drink of anything, it seems to me. I would try going with just water for a while and see if the thirst dies down, and if it doesn't, see a doctor. I also would like something other than water to drink, but haven't found anything really satisfying. I like yerba mate, but do not drink it because of the caffeine and other xanthines. It has a lot of caffeine. I also love real tea, but avoid it now for several reasons. One is the xanthines, and another is that it has very high levels of fluoride and aluminum, both of which are rather poisonous, and neither of which is needed in any level in the body. I wonder about all the people who recommend drinking green tea, including Andrew Weil. What do they think about the fluoride? Regular tea consumption would mean you're getting more than if you had a fluoridated water supply.

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

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on March 12, 2010
at 10:50 PM

Hi Hilary. Interesting point about the fluoride in teas. Do you have a good link for that? Thanks,

Eeaad28c7e6c0011f11e2da53942a2c2

(55)

on March 14, 2010
at 02:41 AM

No, I don't have a link. But it's something I looked into extensively 8 or 10 years ago, and found what seemed to be pretty solid information that the tea plant is a fluoride accumulator. I think if you do some searching you should be able to turn somthing up.

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on March 11, 2010
at 03:40 AM

I think too much of anything is probably bad (even water!)

That said, I think there is some pretty strong epidemiological evidence for health benefits from over 10+ cups of green tea a day. IIRC all the markers they measured health against were improved the more tea was consumed (the studys top amount was 10+ cups)

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 11, 2010
at 03:59 AM

Geez, I love green tea, but I don't think I could handle 10 cups!

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on April 14, 2010
at 07:04 PM

I think traditionally cups of green tea in Japan are quite small, 150 ml/ 5 fluid ounces, in volume so 10 cups may not be as much tea as it seems at first.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 11, 2010
at 12:44 AM

I'm personally a big fan of fermented drinks like fermented coconut water and kombucha. If you have water kefir grains you can ferment the sugar out of anything and make it a sparkly soda. Wild Fermentation, a great book, even discusses someone using Mountain Dew....but I have personally used it on the aforementioned coconut water, apple juice, and cranberry apple juice.

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33b6c516904a967ef8ecb30f1dbd8cf2

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on March 11, 2010
at 12:10 AM

I agree with Anna, you are drinking a lot of fluid there!!!! A personal question here, what does your urine look like? Is it dark for most of the day or dark and then very light as the day progresses? Dark urine may mean you are not hydrating properly and is something you should seek medical advice for esp. in regards to diabetes. And another question: do you eat paleo?

It is really nice to drink hot water alone. The taste is really quite pleasant, but you may not be ready for that yet, so why not try adding a flavor, why not try ginseng root? A slice of fresh ginseng root can be boiled up or just popped into boiled water, which will certainly take the edge off the plain ol' water taste. Ginseng has many health benefits.

There are other Chinese herbs you can take esp. if you are experiencing fluctuations in blood glucose/diabetes and many can be boiled in water to give a pleasant tasting drink which can been taken during the day. I would advise seeing a Chinese herbalist to get a full test done, you will then be given the herbs from him/her.

If you are used to making up and drinking the mate, Chinese herbs may offer a kind of substitute to your 'tea ceremony' until you can graduate to plain hot/cold water.

If you really can't face any of the above stuff, it is OK to start with juice of you then top it up with water gradually - so start on the first day with regular juice and on the second day water it down until it tastes weaker and drink that, then continue to water it down until you have a very small amount of juice per water ratio. This is a technique I used on my children who couldn't bare the thought of drinking water one summer a while back, within a week they were on 100% water, no juice, no complaints.

33b6c516904a967ef8ecb30f1dbd8cf2

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on March 11, 2010
at 10:42 AM

Yes, I guess body size, season and activity is an issue, I was comparing it to how much I drink per day, I do not even reach 1 litre of water....but as you say, other factors like stimulants may be present here....

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11488)

on March 11, 2010
at 02:48 AM

Great points, Louisa. The 3 to 5 liters of fluid doesn't sound outlandish to me. An average sized, sedentary adult needs about 2.5 liters per day. If Konrad is an active person, he could easily require 3 to 5 liters per day. However, if he's drinking stimulants such as caffeine and theophylline, this could cause diuresis and stimulate thirst.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 11, 2010
at 12:14 AM

Good one Louisa! When I cleaned carpets for a living I used to chug back diluted juice instead of pop. Most carpet cleaners buy the biggest baddest sodas they can find!

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on March 10, 2010
at 07:02 PM

I also think it's important to rotate what you're drinking. Bone broth is great in a mug, but it would probably get old for every beverage. Herbal teas are good, as are infusions. I also like to add a little lemon juice or unsweetened cranberry juice to my water for flavor.

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on March 10, 2010
at 06:49 PM

I drink only water, green tea (in the morning only), and (occasionally) roibos tea.

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6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

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on March 10, 2010
at 06:33 PM

3 to 5 liters of juice would be a lot of fructose. 3 to 5 liters per day of anything other than water sounds like a lot, but an active adult may very well need that much water daily. Add about a liter per hour of strenuous physical activity. Prudence would dictate moderation in the intake of anything, including teas. If you don't like the taste of water, you can divide your daily intake between several different beverages, so you're not getting too much of any one beverage. I drink my water with a twist of lemon, which gives it flavor but not too much fructose.

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