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10,000 steps a day, paleo?

Commented on May 31, 2014
Created May 29, 2014 at 4:00 PM

How much do you walk a day and how much do you think paleo man walked per day?

Is walking an important component of being paleo, why our why not?

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on May 31, 2014
at 12:13 PM

They're all fast walking, as fast as possible without running.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on May 30, 2014
at 07:24 PM

I was chatting with a co-worker of mine about this (the company did it last year). His claim is that his fitbit typically recorded about 4000 more steps than the iphone app did. He thinks its a combination of walking without the phone and walking while using the phone which the iphone doesn't do well of tracking steps. Either way, it would be interested to see a study of poeple doing both to see how accurate the iphone step counter is.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on May 30, 2014
at 07:24 PM

ok. So I figured someone had done the research, and found this site:

http://www.tuaw.com/2013/12/19/how-the-iphone-5s-m...

Looks like the site almost perfectly lines up with his assessment (iphone 8850 steps, fitbit 13600 steps -- 4750 fewer steps). Kinda eerie as my co-worker claimed 4000 fewer steps. I guess we shouldn't use the iphone to track steps until the iwatch comes out..

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on May 30, 2014
at 07:14 PM

I was chatting with a co-worker of mine about this (the company did it last year). His claim is that his fitbit typically recorded about 4000 more steps than the iphone app did. He thinks its a combination of walking without the phone and walking while using the phone which the iphone doesn't do well of tracking steps. Either way, it would be interested to see a study of poeple doing both to see how accurate the iphone step counter is.

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on May 30, 2014
at 03:35 PM

to me it is the opposite. there is nothing else readily available except walking in the winter. Right now I bike and work in the garden.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 30, 2014
at 02:26 PM

Hey @raydawg, please check out http://paleohacks.com/questions/526362/official-meta-restoring-paleohacks-features-meta-o.html and provide feedback, I'm compiling a list for David.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 30, 2014
at 02:26 PM

Hey @thhq, thanks for your feedback, please check out http://paleohacks.com/questions/526362/official-meta-restoring-paleohacks-features-meta-o.html and provide feedback, I'm compiling a list for David.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 30, 2014
at 02:25 PM

Hey @CDone, thanks for your feedback, please check out http://paleohacks.com/questions/526362/official-meta-restoring-paleohacks-features-meta-o.html and provide feedback, I'm compiling a list for David.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 30, 2014
at 02:24 PM

Hey @Matt 11, thanks for your feedback, please check out http://paleohacks.com/questions/526362/official-meta-restoring-paleohacks-features-meta-o.html and provide feedback, I'm compiling a list for David.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 30, 2014
at 02:19 PM

Thanks for your feedback @raydawg, when you were doing 12k steps a day would you say that this was leisurely and sporadic or was your heart rate elevated while exercising?

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 30, 2014
at 02:18 PM

Cool, thanks for your input @glib!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 29, 2014
at 08:10 PM

I just put my daily work trek into Google - 0.6 miles one way. I walk it round trip, twice a day for ~6300 steps. Probably hit another 2-3k walking at work. I need to move another mile away or so.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 29, 2014
at 08:07 PM

6 hours x 2 mph x 5280 feet / 2 feet per step = 31680. A number of pulled from you know where.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on May 29, 2014
at 07:34 PM

It's hard. I had to throw in a couple of miles of walking each dat to get to 10,000 steps.

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on May 29, 2014
at 06:47 PM

Well of course with the loss of obesity my % bodyfat has dropped, but it's above 20%. My legs and thighs are well muscled. I'm walking for food, so that I can eat more without regain, not to get ripped. If I ate less and lost more weight I think I would become gaunt rather than muscular. The body would preserve the legs at the expense of everything else, fat or muscle.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 29, 2014
at 06:27 PM

Would you say that in your case walking had a negative effect on your overall muscle mass?

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on May 29, 2014
at 06:10 PM

My legs were well exercised but I wasn't lifting so lost shoulder and arm muscle mass. Unfortunately mattresses and refrigerators still weigh the same....two likely reasons for my torn rotator cuff.

The other benefits from all the walking were substantially higher HDL, which was 35 when I was sedentary and 70-80 now, and lower blood pressure. The blood pressure probably would have come down just through weight loss, but the shift to higher density lipids I attribute mainly to the walking.

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on May 29, 2014
at 06:02 PM

I started doing it to get my metabolism up. Every mile walked at a 3.5 mph pace burns 70 calories over and above BMR. Faster pace increases this, slower pace reduces it, and bicycling lowest (and most efficient) of all. I used it to keep my weight loss rate up when food restriction started to lose effectiveness. I use it now mostly so that I can eat 2000-2500 cals/day - without it I'd blimp back up. It's pretty nonspecific about how it removes fat, but legs, thighs, midsection and shoulders all shrank. The weight loss in the shoulders was detrimental.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on May 29, 2014
at 05:44 PM

That's interesting Thhq! I seem to remember sometime back you mentioning that you walked 10,000 steps a day regularly and that this helped you manage your waist circumference. Walking 25,000 to 30,000 steps per day would likely put you in the top .1% of the US population in terms of steps walked per day (welcome to the top 1%, lol). Being one of very few people to do this, please elaborate as to why you started and have continued this practice. Are there any specific reasons ( health / convenience / well-being / necessity ) that you partake in this activity?

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 29, 2014
at 05:29 PM

Lol, according to this ncbi article you would be considered 'low-active', and it sounds like the other 95% of your workforce would be classified as 'sedentary'. To be active according to this study you need to break 10k steps a day (outside of exercise, lol), I think I might make this a new goal, time permitting.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 29, 2014
at 04:35 PM

So maybe my question should read "30,000 steps a day, paleo?" eh? Lol. Any articles to support the 30k would be well received.

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on May 30, 2014
at 09:49 AM

I used to do about 12k steps a day, with between 20-25lbs worth of backpack, but I recently changed jobs and now I do about half of that. Weirdly enough, my stress levels have gone down, and the new job isn't less stressful than the old, so maybe it's not a great thing to do it all the time. n=1 and all that. :) (I tracked this via Jawbone Up, but recently switched to the Basis watch band - at one point I had both on and they were very close, so the numbers are probably right.)

Far as I know HGs didn't hunt every day, and they tended to do so for only half a day, so they probably did every other day, and it included some sprinting.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 30, 2014
at 02:19 PM

Thanks for your feedback @raydawg, when you were doing 12k steps a day would you say that this was leisurely and sporadic or was your heart rate elevated while exercising?

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56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on May 29, 2014
at 07:09 PM

I average about 10,000. My wife gave me a FitBit for my birthday and I monitored it for a while. High was about 15,000, low 5,000. Perhaps a bit less in the last month because I had to get both garden and orchard going, so I was doing more upper body stuff.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on May 30, 2014
at 02:18 PM

Cool, thanks for your input @glib!

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on May 29, 2014
at 05:32 PM

I walk more this time of year than in the winter. Lately it's been on the order of 15 miles a day, or 25-30,000 steps.

Paleos walked as little as they had to, but 10-20,000 might be a good guess. Looking at Coast Salish hunt-and-gather it was not abnormal to move 100-200 miles to points of seasonal food concentration, and they might make a couple of these trips a year. So there were times when 10,000 (5 miles more or less) would be small, and other times when 10,000 was just daily routine.

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

(1822)

on May 30, 2014
at 03:35 PM

to me it is the opposite. there is nothing else readily available except walking in the winter. Right now I bike and work in the garden.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on May 29, 2014
at 06:10 PM

My legs were well exercised but I wasn't lifting so lost shoulder and arm muscle mass. Unfortunately mattresses and refrigerators still weigh the same....two likely reasons for my torn rotator cuff.

The other benefits from all the walking were substantially higher HDL, which was 35 when I was sedentary and 70-80 now, and lower blood pressure. The blood pressure probably would have come down just through weight loss, but the shift to higher density lipids I attribute mainly to the walking.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on May 29, 2014
at 06:47 PM

Well of course with the loss of obesity my % bodyfat has dropped, but it's above 20%. My legs and thighs are well muscled. I'm walking for food, so that I can eat more without regain, not to get ripped. If I ate less and lost more weight I think I would become gaunt rather than muscular. The body would preserve the legs at the expense of everything else, fat or muscle.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on May 29, 2014
at 05:44 PM

That's interesting Thhq! I seem to remember sometime back you mentioning that you walked 10,000 steps a day regularly and that this helped you manage your waist circumference. Walking 25,000 to 30,000 steps per day would likely put you in the top .1% of the US population in terms of steps walked per day (welcome to the top 1%, lol). Being one of very few people to do this, please elaborate as to why you started and have continued this practice. Are there any specific reasons ( health / convenience / well-being / necessity ) that you partake in this activity?

Medium avatar

(10611)

on May 29, 2014
at 06:02 PM

I started doing it to get my metabolism up. Every mile walked at a 3.5 mph pace burns 70 calories over and above BMR. Faster pace increases this, slower pace reduces it, and bicycling lowest (and most efficient) of all. I used it to keep my weight loss rate up when food restriction started to lose effectiveness. I use it now mostly so that I can eat 2000-2500 cals/day - without it I'd blimp back up. It's pretty nonspecific about how it removes fat, but legs, thighs, midsection and shoulders all shrank. The weight loss in the shoulders was detrimental.

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on May 29, 2014
at 05:00 PM

My work did a thing where everyone downloaded an app to track steps.

I don't run with my phone, so it only showed non-exercise steps. I get between 6500-8500. Way less than I had thought -- and I was in the top 5% for the company. Pretty pathetic.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on May 30, 2014
at 07:24 PM

ok. So I figured someone had done the research, and found this site:

http://www.tuaw.com/2013/12/19/how-the-iphone-5s-m...

Looks like the site almost perfectly lines up with his assessment (iphone 8850 steps, fitbit 13600 steps -- 4750 fewer steps). Kinda eerie as my co-worker claimed 4000 fewer steps. I guess we shouldn't use the iphone to track steps until the iwatch comes out..

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on May 29, 2014
at 05:29 PM

Lol, according to this ncbi article you would be considered 'low-active', and it sounds like the other 95% of your workforce would be classified as 'sedentary'. To be active according to this study you need to break 10k steps a day (outside of exercise, lol), I think I might make this a new goal, time permitting.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 29, 2014
at 04:04 PM

When you're out hunt or gathering for 6-8 hours a day, you're going easily hit 10000 (closer to 30k maybe).

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 29, 2014
at 08:10 PM

I just put my daily work trek into Google - 0.6 miles one way. I walk it round trip, twice a day for ~6300 steps. Probably hit another 2-3k walking at work. I need to move another mile away or so.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on May 29, 2014
at 04:35 PM

So maybe my question should read "30,000 steps a day, paleo?" eh? Lol. Any articles to support the 30k would be well received.

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