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[meta] visible voting

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 15, 2012 at 12:01 PM

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[Meta] Why anonymity, paleohacks?

I'm not sure how easy it is to implement visible voting on this forum software but I for one would like to know who it is that votes up or down.

I can only see benefit from every consideration.

How about you, would you prefer the identity of those who vote be visible?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11048)

on November 15, 2012
at 04:21 PM

To what end? Retaliation? This is getting tiresome, Harry. If you don't like it, start your own board and run it how you choose.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 15, 2012
at 04:01 PM

Agreed. I made a similar comment -- The only legit reason I can see for knowing who has down voted me is for retaliation. Which is just as silly and petty.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 15, 2012
at 03:42 PM

@Harry (1 hour ago). The only legit reason I can see for someone to know who has down voted them is for retailiation which is ridiculus. The fact that someone cares enough about reputation that they would attack someone for "down voting" is beyond silly and petty.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:40 PM

One minute you have an energy surplus and the next you're tired - there is a definition for that in the DSM4. :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:37 PM

Why not venture elsewhere? Please dont let me keep you.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:35 PM

Not even close, dear, but your amateur psychology with a side of condescension is another of your antics that we're finding tiring.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:31 PM

It seems you have an abundance of days off then.. And perhaps a need to compensate and project?

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:29 PM

So much butthurt.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:27 PM

There's a difference between having a well-rounded vocabulary and being a petty show-off trying to sound like a modern Shakespeare. I'm just commenting. You're the one creating and bumping a bunch of questions dedicated to being a contrarian, as well as answering all these comments. You tell me who's putting in their oar a little too much and investing too much precious energy. I'm young, adorable, and amused with an energy surplus on a day off.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:17 PM

Luckie, there is beneficence and there is maleficence - which of these words is most suitable do you think? And why are you investing so much energy in being a contrarian. Let a few more people chime their opinion.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:14 PM

I said it had been discussed on other questions. I didn't say the question had been asked before.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:13 PM

And referring to being downvoted on an online forum as "childish and cowardly malice" is incredibly melodramatic and pretty funny coming from what claims to be a grown man.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:12 PM

Luckie, get your facts straight. This question has not been asked before.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:11 PM

How do you know it wasn't a critique on your questions? So many of your questions are related either in topic or in attitude so I don't find that surprising at all. Similar questions getting similar responses sounds pretty normal.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:10 PM

It's not the magnitude of reputation scores I am asking about in this topic but how the aspect of anonymity leads to the abuse of such scores. For example, when I logged in today I found 4 downvotes on 4 of my questions made within the same minute. Clearly this was not a critique on those questions but an act of childish and cowardly malice. I doubt if that type of behaviour would manifest to the same degree if voting was not anonymous.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:09 PM

http://paleohacks.com/questions/49486/meta-what-happens-to-your-reputation-points-when-a-paleohacker-takes-personal-i#axzz2CFME5nDB Oh, looky-doo, it seems like someone else knew what it was like to deal with a Harry. Just like we're doing now. It's like the circle of troll life on the interwebz.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:04 PM

It has already been discussed on other questions, making this a duplicate, and answered by many others. You're so quick to go back to your question that you never answer anyone else about your agenda, which is clearly what all your questions, metas, and bumping are all about.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:01 PM

Personally I did not vote to close because I think it is a legit question (as per the "rules" of PaleoHacks). But in general I agree with Luckie that this question has limited merit. Harry, Why do you care so much about reputation scores on an online forum?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:57 PM

And yet you're so quick to partake in a fight instead of considering the question..

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:56 PM

And now, answering your own question to bump it, instead of editing it which would show as such or commenting, which wouldn't bump it? Real cute.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:56 PM

No, your spamming and abuse of the system, as ARoz pointed out, is telling. We are just tired of your antics.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:51 PM

The question you're referring to asks why identities are being hidden - not who votes.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:12 PM

FWIW, I largely agree with CD - I do not view this as an issue. Then again, I am not sheriff of PH... By all means make suggestions though, no one can force anyone to respect a suggestion or the way it is prosecuted though...

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:09 PM

Harry, forgive me for being off topic. I will try not to continually remind others of something that they think is offtopic (eg posts that are off the first page and aren't being discussed much anymore).

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:47 PM

**Varied** opinions being the operative qualifier. In my view - and I've only experienced here - anonymous voting tends to bring out the worst in human behaviour. Just saying.. :)

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:42 PM

Administrating a website is a pain in the ass, and at a certain traffic level becomes incredibly expensive -- well beyond what can be skimmed off of advertising dollars. The onus is on the users, not the administrators, to use the site appropriately. I wouldn't care if reputation was removed all together. It blows my mind that people care so much about reputation that they go to these ridiculous lengths. Just accept this site for what it is -- The best place to go to get varied opinions on Paleo topics.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:32 PM

Try to stay on topic Michael. Editing posts is visible. Voting is not. Care to comment on the actual question?

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:28 PM

WHarry would you consider constatnly editing your posts to bump them a childish udnertaking? It's certainly not something most adult users seem to do...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:24 PM

I'm making a suggestion, which in my view, would be beneficial. Rather than being so snappy why don't you explain why it's better to vote anonymously?

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:21 PM

If you don't like the format of Paleohacks there are other websites you can try. Paleo Reddit, the caveman forums, etc.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:18 PM

I think people are at their worst when they are not accountable and often revert to childish behaviours that result in inhibiting participation and reducing the quality of content.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:16 PM

Or when people spam the site by making superficial edits to their old questions and answers trying to be a points whore.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:16 PM

No one is forcing you to click on the question Ashley :)

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:14 PM

What I would like to see is some type of graph algorthm that identifies how often someone posts and then immediately gets an up vote from one of their other accounts.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:12 PM

No, I think that's a bad idea. Please quit spamming this site with Meta's you're really making the experience tiring.

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(2923)

on November 15, 2012
at 03:45 PM

Visible voting would very quickly lead to two forms of abuse:

  • Vote trading for up votes
  • Revenge voting for down votes

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 15, 2012
at 04:01 PM

Agreed. I made a similar comment -- The only legit reason I can see for knowing who has down voted me is for retaliation. Which is just as silly and petty.

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:11 PM

If the stack software is similar to the open souce stuff that is out there then it's archived who votes. The problem would be where to show the values which the soiftware has very little flexibility.

The better question is why does it matter? Who cares.. Are there immature people out there who go on a streak of down voting people because their own questions get closed? Sure, but why waste your time with them?

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:42 PM

Administrating a website is a pain in the ass, and at a certain traffic level becomes incredibly expensive -- well beyond what can be skimmed off of advertising dollars. The onus is on the users, not the administrators, to use the site appropriately. I wouldn't care if reputation was removed all together. It blows my mind that people care so much about reputation that they go to these ridiculous lengths. Just accept this site for what it is -- The best place to go to get varied opinions on Paleo topics.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:16 PM

Or when people spam the site by making superficial edits to their old questions and answers trying to be a points whore.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:24 PM

I'm making a suggestion, which in my view, would be beneficial. Rather than being so snappy why don't you explain why it's better to vote anonymously?

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:12 PM

FWIW, I largely agree with CD - I do not view this as an issue. Then again, I am not sheriff of PH... By all means make suggestions though, no one can force anyone to respect a suggestion or the way it is prosecuted though...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:32 PM

Try to stay on topic Michael. Editing posts is visible. Voting is not. Care to comment on the actual question?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:18 PM

I think people are at their worst when they are not accountable and often revert to childish behaviours that result in inhibiting participation and reducing the quality of content.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:28 PM

WHarry would you consider constatnly editing your posts to bump them a childish udnertaking? It's certainly not something most adult users seem to do...

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:21 PM

If you don't like the format of Paleohacks there are other websites you can try. Paleo Reddit, the caveman forums, etc.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:09 PM

Harry, forgive me for being off topic. I will try not to continually remind others of something that they think is offtopic (eg posts that are off the first page and aren't being discussed much anymore).

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:47 PM

**Varied** opinions being the operative qualifier. In my view - and I've only experienced here - anonymous voting tends to bring out the worst in human behaviour. Just saying.. :)

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 15, 2012
at 12:14 PM

What I would like to see is some type of graph algorthm that identifies how often someone posts and then immediately gets an up vote from one of their other accounts.

3
1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

on November 15, 2012
at 12:44 PM

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:51 PM

The question you're referring to asks why identities are being hidden - not who votes.

1
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:54 PM

It's regrettable to see an inquiry on what people think about anonymous voting being closed in almost 1 hour. In fact its rather telling.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:10 PM

It's not the magnitude of reputation scores I am asking about in this topic but how the aspect of anonymity leads to the abuse of such scores. For example, when I logged in today I found 4 downvotes on 4 of my questions made within the same minute. Clearly this was not a critique on those questions but an act of childish and cowardly malice. I doubt if that type of behaviour would manifest to the same degree if voting was not anonymous.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:17 PM

Luckie, there is beneficence and there is maleficence - which of these words is most suitable do you think? And why are you investing so much energy in being a contrarian. Let a few more people chime their opinion.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:09 PM

http://paleohacks.com/questions/49486/meta-what-happens-to-your-reputation-points-when-a-paleohacker-takes-personal-i#axzz2CFME5nDB Oh, looky-doo, it seems like someone else knew what it was like to deal with a Harry. Just like we're doing now. It's like the circle of troll life on the interwebz.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:56 PM

And now, answering your own question to bump it, instead of editing it which would show as such or commenting, which wouldn't bump it? Real cute.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:27 PM

There's a difference between having a well-rounded vocabulary and being a petty show-off trying to sound like a modern Shakespeare. I'm just commenting. You're the one creating and bumping a bunch of questions dedicated to being a contrarian, as well as answering all these comments. You tell me who's putting in their oar a little too much and investing too much precious energy. I'm young, adorable, and amused with an energy surplus on a day off.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:12 PM

Luckie, get your facts straight. This question has not been asked before.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:35 PM

Not even close, dear, but your amateur psychology with a side of condescension is another of your antics that we're finding tiring.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:29 PM

So much butthurt.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:01 PM

Personally I did not vote to close because I think it is a legit question (as per the "rules" of PaleoHacks). But in general I agree with Luckie that this question has limited merit. Harry, Why do you care so much about reputation scores on an online forum?

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:56 PM

No, your spamming and abuse of the system, as ARoz pointed out, is telling. We are just tired of your antics.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:31 PM

It seems you have an abundance of days off then.. And perhaps a need to compensate and project?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:40 PM

One minute you have an energy surplus and the next you're tired - there is a definition for that in the DSM4. :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:37 PM

Why not venture elsewhere? Please dont let me keep you.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:11 PM

How do you know it wasn't a critique on your questions? So many of your questions are related either in topic or in attitude so I don't find that surprising at all. Similar questions getting similar responses sounds pretty normal.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:57 PM

And yet you're so quick to partake in a fight instead of considering the question..

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:14 PM

I said it had been discussed on other questions. I didn't say the question had been asked before.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 15, 2012
at 03:42 PM

@Harry (1 hour ago). The only legit reason I can see for someone to know who has down voted them is for retailiation which is ridiculus. The fact that someone cares enough about reputation that they would attack someone for "down voting" is beyond silly and petty.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:13 PM

And referring to being downvoted on an online forum as "childish and cowardly malice" is incredibly melodramatic and pretty funny coming from what claims to be a grown man.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on November 15, 2012
at 02:04 PM

It has already been discussed on other questions, making this a duplicate, and answered by many others. You're so quick to go back to your question that you never answer anyone else about your agenda, which is clearly what all your questions, metas, and bumping are all about.

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