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Created August 06, 2011 at 1:58 AM

As i understand, the Paleo diet is fairly low carb and high in protein. I have eliminated my carbs to a degree since going paleo about a fortnight ago. My only carbs at the moment are 3 to 4 oranges a day, and plenty of vegies. My cousin has been paleo for just over 12months, and is completely zero carbs. He swears by it. What do you guys think? Have any of you gone completely zero carbs? And if so, how did you feel? And what were your results in terms of weight loss? Thanx in advance guys

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Is that with exercise Lynn?

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on September 11, 2011
at 02:44 AM

Hey Rose, I was hoping I could bend your ear a bit about zc living. Your posts are always invaluable. I don't know how to contact you outside of PH tho. Would you mind emailing me to chat? sada[dot]kamara[at]gmail. I hope to talk to you soon!

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on August 07, 2011
at 11:15 AM

Ambimorph i agree 100%. Which is what i was trying to say to eva.

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on August 07, 2011
at 09:26 AM

Thanx Grenade. I did have a look but didnt really get the specific info i was after. Thanx once again Grenade.

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on August 07, 2011
at 09:12 AM

Hey grok, take it easy when answering peoples questions.

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on August 07, 2011
at 08:19 AM

Do you have Alzheimer's, epilepsy, or brain cancer? If not, it's a waste of time. Go move your body instead.

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on August 07, 2011
at 02:12 AM

The paleo diet most people follow tends to be low carb, moderate protein and high fat. But there's not one single paleo diet. Some people think moderate carb intake is OK, depending on the source. You see people talking about "safe carbs", for example. For someone trying to lose weight, however, I'd watch those carbs regardless of whether they're considered "safe" or not.

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on August 06, 2011
at 11:50 PM

Agreed with Rose about the vitamins, but also wanted to mention that you can in fact get Vitamin C from meat if you're eating organs - spleen, lungs, brain, kidneys, tongue, heart, etc. See here http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-013101000000000000000-w.html (hoping link works!)

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on August 06, 2011
at 06:36 PM

How on earth do you figure that? And what do you mean "really" zero carbs? If you're talking about an all-meat diet, you certainly won't be deficient in "most" vitamins and minerals, and if you're eating organ meats or shellfish, you probably won't be deficient in any. Vitamin C is the one exception, and there are those who say that if you don't take in any dietary sugars, you don't need to worry about vitamin C.

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on August 06, 2011
at 06:27 PM

Zero carb is pretty standard terminology. Paleo isn't paleo either.

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on August 06, 2011
at 04:47 PM

AND you just asked this the other day and got tons of answers! http://paleohacks.com/questions/54169/how-did-zero-carbohydrates-work-for-you#axzz1UDTfuNh1

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at 04:46 PM

and, it looks like you just asked this the other day. http://paleohacks.com/questions/54169/how-did-zero-carbohydrates-work-for-you#axzz1UDTfuNh1

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on August 06, 2011
at 03:53 PM

you must have not seached the tags. i found 26 posts for zero-carb. http://paleohacks.com/questions/tagged/zero-carb#axzz1UDTfuNh1

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on August 06, 2011
at 01:32 PM

Yes, I agree it's probably confusing to people to refer to it as zero-carb, but everything else requires so many words, lol. Except "all-meat;" that's probably pretty concise.

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on August 06, 2011
at 07:07 AM

Thanx Eric. Will definately keep that in mind

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on August 06, 2011
at 06:39 AM

I forgot to say..I am losing about 8 to 10 pounds a month now. I have lost 20 so far.

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on August 06, 2011
at 06:38 AM

Same here on the weight loss front Rose. I was low carb..but not low enough. I eat meat. Once in a great while I eat organic broccoli or organic spring mixed herbs. I use lemon in my water. When I lose all my weight . 40 more to go, then I will experiment with adding some low glycemic veggies and a few berries in season.

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on August 06, 2011
at 05:54 AM

I did search, but it was not to my liking. Thanx for your post

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on August 06, 2011
at 05:53 AM

I did saerch. But it was not to my liking. Thanx for your post.

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on August 06, 2011
at 04:14 AM

Mem i just read your profile description. Im very impressed. What does your daily food intake look like if you dont mind me asking. –

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on August 06, 2011
at 04:13 AM

Mem i just read your profile description there. Im very impressed. What does your daily food intake look like if you dont mind me asking.

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on August 06, 2011
at 04:05 AM

Thanx for the overview Eva :p

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on August 06, 2011
at 03:54 AM

+1 Rose for xsactly what Nick said: "a very informative and motivating rely!" And, I have seen you rec. Phinney and Volek's book b4 and I'm just going to have to get it now. Thanks -

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on August 06, 2011
at 03:53 AM

+1 Eva for a nice , objective overview.

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on August 06, 2011
at 03:52 AM

Opps! Well, +1 for you too, as yours was a very nice helpful answer as well!

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on August 06, 2011
at 03:51 AM

+1 Rose. OK, I've seen you reference this book twice, so I'm going to have to read it. Thanks!

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on August 06, 2011
at 03:44 AM

Rose you are a Gem. Thanx so much for that very informative and motivating reply. Im happy to hear that you have dropped the weight in a matter of months. I am looking at losing roughly 15kgs as i am 5ft10inches and a little on the heavy side. I cant weight to get into it and start seeing some results from going VLC to ZC.

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on August 06, 2011
at 03:07 AM

Nick, before posting a question, I suggest you search thru the tags and previous questions -- there's a lot of good stuff here already.

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on August 06, 2011
at 02:45 AM

whakahekeheke thanx so much for the reply. Very helpful mate. Yes my cousin did mention ketosis, and i Googled it and was quite impressed at how much weight people lost and how they felt whilst in a ketogenic state. Thanx again pal.

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on August 06, 2011
at 02:20 AM

Hmmm, a little off topic there Eva. But i appreciate the reply never the less. My question was if people have gone zero carb? And if they have, what were their results? By zero carb we mean carbs to a minimum. You take it to literal.

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3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 06, 2011
at 03:16 AM

Nick, there are a few zero- and very-low-carbers here; I hope we see responses from some of them. I've been ZC for two years (meat only, plus spices and coffee, and the odd glass of wine here and there), and was VLC for two years before that.

In terms of both health and weight loss, zero carb has been fantastic for me. The reason I went ZC is that I stalled for over a year on VLC at 190ish (I'm 5'6", so not a good weight for me to be stuck at). Kicking plant matter, I dropped all my extra weight within a matter of months, and without working out, either. To my surprise, I also experienced tremendous gains on the health front, especially regarding long-term joint pain that is definitely autoimmune, and probably RA. I also just had my labs done, and the numbers are stellar--my vegetarian doctor was stunned.

Just as a side note, I've been reading Phinney and Volek's new book, The Art and Science of Low-Carbohydrate Living, and I'm finding it a very thorough resource on ketogenic diets. I recommend it to anyone who's interested in or thinking about VLC/ZC.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 06, 2011
at 04:14 AM

Mem i just read your profile description. Im very impressed. What does your daily food intake look like if you dont mind me asking. –

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 06, 2011
at 03:44 AM

Rose you are a Gem. Thanx so much for that very informative and motivating reply. Im happy to hear that you have dropped the weight in a matter of months. I am looking at losing roughly 15kgs as i am 5ft10inches and a little on the heavy side. I cant weight to get into it and start seeing some results from going VLC to ZC.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Is that with exercise Lynn?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 06, 2011
at 04:13 AM

Mem i just read your profile description there. Im very impressed. What does your daily food intake look like if you dont mind me asking.

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on August 06, 2011
at 06:39 AM

I forgot to say..I am losing about 8 to 10 pounds a month now. I have lost 20 so far.

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on August 06, 2011
at 03:54 AM

+1 Rose for xsactly what Nick said: "a very informative and motivating rely!" And, I have seen you rec. Phinney and Volek's book b4 and I'm just going to have to get it now. Thanks -

4fca5e11d50731edbf4cf2ec38691aa3

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on August 06, 2011
at 06:38 AM

Same here on the weight loss front Rose. I was low carb..but not low enough. I eat meat. Once in a great while I eat organic broccoli or organic spring mixed herbs. I use lemon in my water. When I lose all my weight . 40 more to go, then I will experiment with adding some low glycemic veggies and a few berries in season.

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on September 11, 2011
at 02:44 AM

Hey Rose, I was hoping I could bend your ear a bit about zc living. Your posts are always invaluable. I don't know how to contact you outside of PH tho. Would you mind emailing me to chat? sada[dot]kamara[at]gmail. I hope to talk to you soon!

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on August 06, 2011
at 02:18 AM

I ate very low carb and quickly lost what little visceral fat I had. I felt fine.

Going very low carb (VLC) is a ketogenic diet. Google "ketosis" for details. Good place to start is here: http://www.ketotic.org/p/ketosis-basics.html.

The diet shouldn't just be low carbohydrate, but high fat, particularly saturated fat and monounsaturated fat from animal sources like meat, eggs, and dairy (or coconut oil). Also, as always, it's probably a good idea to keep the food quality high: minimize vegetable oils, sugar, and wheat.

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on August 06, 2011
at 03:51 AM

+1 Rose. OK, I've seen you reference this book twice, so I'm going to have to read it. Thanks!

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on August 06, 2011
at 03:52 AM

Opps! Well, +1 for you too, as yours was a very nice helpful answer as well!

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on August 06, 2011
at 02:45 AM

whakahekeheke thanx so much for the reply. Very helpful mate. Yes my cousin did mention ketosis, and i Googled it and was quite impressed at how much weight people lost and how they felt whilst in a ketogenic state. Thanx again pal.

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on August 06, 2011
at 02:10 AM

There is no such thing as zero carbs. Even veggies and meat have a tad of carb in it. What he has done is gone very low carb, which is not required to eat paleo. Potatoes are a natural healthy high carb paleo food. Some paleos also eat fruit in moderate quantities. If you are attempting to lose weight, some paleo eater find it beneficial to cut fructose consumption and maybe even carb consumption. If you have poor blood sugar control, then very low carb may also be the best route for you. If you work out heavily, some paleo eaters find they do better with more carb or more carb carefully timed with workouts. At the basic level, paleo eating means eating foods similar to what our healthier ancestors ate which typically means cutting out grains and unnatural foods, but does not mean you can't eat carbs at all and the macronutrient profile that works best for each individual seems to vary for each individual. Paleo eating is not an exact rigid diet that is expected to be one size fits all. Just because one paleo eater does well on extremely low carb does not mean all will do equally well. There are general guidelines but within those guidelines, you will have to learn what works best for you as an individual.

And as a side note, 3 or 4 oranges a day does not strike me as particularly balanced. If you are going to eat a bunch of fruit, variety is better. But some paleo eaters feel excessive fructose intake is less healthy, especially if you are not a heavy exerciser or if you have blood sugar control weaknesses. Fructose intake is controversial in the paleo community.

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on August 06, 2011
at 03:53 AM

+1 Eva for a nice , objective overview.

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on August 06, 2011
at 02:20 AM

Hmmm, a little off topic there Eva. But i appreciate the reply never the less. My question was if people have gone zero carb? And if they have, what were their results? By zero carb we mean carbs to a minimum. You take it to literal.

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on August 07, 2011
at 11:15 AM

Ambimorph i agree 100%. Which is what i was trying to say to eva.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 06, 2011
at 04:05 AM

Thanx for the overview Eva :p

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on August 06, 2011
at 06:27 PM

Zero carb is pretty standard terminology. Paleo isn't paleo either.

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on August 06, 2011
at 12:36 PM

There are many threads dealing directly with this. The search engine is honestly pretty effective on this site.

I did over three months of eating no plant matter at all. Zero. Prior to going full-on like that however I should mention that I was already very used to VLC and ketosis/fat-burning, not taking in glucose, etc.

I felt lowish energy for a good 2-3 weeks I???d say. Nothing amazingly bad but indeed I didn???t feel the pep I used to.

I did it with the intention of really leaning out ??? trying to get something like 10-12% bodyfat, really ripped up. It did not work. I maintained my weight. I have to think that caloric intake still matters at that point and it was that I was simply not eating a caloric deficit. I have no issues putting down masses of fat and protein.

In the end I would definitely not recommend it. We all know that carbohydrates are not essential for existing. But who just wants to exist? I???d say that understanding macros like tools in a toolbox is a wise approach: use the carbohydrate in a wise way and go from there.

If you???re just going in to it for an n=1 I applaud you. I certainly don???t think its dangerous for anything less than 3-6 months, assuming you???re healthy and fit now.

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on August 06, 2011
at 06:52 AM

If I go low carb I have to increase fat intake. Without the extra fat it is hard for me to be 100% there.

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on August 06, 2011
at 07:07 AM

Thanx Eric. Will definately keep that in mind

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on August 06, 2011
at 11:41 AM

I'm "zero carb" but it's not literally zero. Threre are carbs in meat, and in shellfish and in liver. When those of us in the zero carb comnmunity talk about our diet, it's probalby more accurate to speak of "only eating animal products".

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on August 06, 2011
at 01:32 PM

Yes, I agree it's probably confusing to people to refer to it as zero-carb, but everything else requires so many words, lol. Except "all-meat;" that's probably pretty concise.

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on August 06, 2011
at 04:41 PM

If you were really zero carbs you would be deficient in most vitamins and minerals. That can't be healthy.

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on August 06, 2011
at 06:36 PM

How on earth do you figure that? And what do you mean "really" zero carbs? If you're talking about an all-meat diet, you certainly won't be deficient in "most" vitamins and minerals, and if you're eating organ meats or shellfish, you probably won't be deficient in any. Vitamin C is the one exception, and there are those who say that if you don't take in any dietary sugars, you don't need to worry about vitamin C.

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on August 06, 2011
at 11:50 PM

Agreed with Rose about the vitamins, but also wanted to mention that you can in fact get Vitamin C from meat if you're eating organs - spleen, lungs, brain, kidneys, tongue, heart, etc. See here http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-013101000000000000000-w.html (hoping link works!)

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